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What were/was the name(s) of the ship(s) which bore the first english colonists to America?

English colonists to where?

The Three ships which bore the first english colonists were named what?
Ah, those Americanocentrists... :)

So, bore the colonists to where? To North America?

Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria were the first ones that went into my head since they crammed those three names in my head at 2nd grade. But they're Spanish explorers.

Never said anything about ENGLISH colonists....So....Mayflower?

Tekania, do you exclude the Lost Colony of Roanoke?

make one less obvious, like the name of the ship that took magellan around the world

Tekania, do you exclude the Lost Colony of Roanoke?

Yes.... Though EC to anyone who names ship(s) relevant to Roanoke Colony

Yes.... Though EC to anyone who names ship(s) relevant to Roanoke Colony
The Tyger was one of Raleigh's ships, I think.

If we are to exclude Roanoke, then it is Jamestown... so Option 3.

Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria were the first ones that went into my head since they crammed those three names in my head at 2nd grade. But they're Spanish explorers.

Never said anything about ENGLISH colonists....So....Mayflower?

Pay attention to Olantia; you may learn something ;)

Mayflower ;) I am curious to how many will select it. Haven't voted yet.

Chistophers ships? :D

Option 3 for me! Jamestown was running a year before those thickheaded seperatists landed. ;)

make one less obvious, like the name of the ship that took magellan around the world

Megellan had five ships; so I assume you mean the flag....

The Trinidad...

The other 4 vessels were:
San Antonio
Concepcion
Victoria
Santiago

Option 3 for me! Jamestown was running a year before those thickheaded seperatists landed. ;)

A year? Try 13 years....

The Susan Constant, Godspeed and Discover dropped off the first Virginia Company colonists in 1607..... The Mayflower didn't arrive till 1620...

The Colony was alreafy "running" prior to 1619 (which is what I assume you mean); 1619 was the date that the House of Burgesses was first convened, and the colony became self-governing, apart from the Virginia Company...

Yes.... Though EC to anyone who names ship(s) relevant to Roanoke Colony

Wasn't that Sir Richard Grenville with the Revenge?

A year? Try 13 years....

The Susan Constant, Godspeed and Discover dropped off the first Virginia Company colonists in 1607..... The Mayflower didn't arrive till 1620...

The Colony was alreafy "running" prior to 1619 (which is what I assume you mean); 1619 was the date that the House of Burgesses was first convened, and the colony became self-governing, apart from the Virginia Company...

Doh! You are correct. 1619 is the date I have in my head for the House....

So you're ignoring the English fishermen who were living on the coast of Newfoundland? (It wasn't an English colony, there were also Spainish, French, Dutch, and Basque fishermen there, living year round)

Marric']So you're ignoring the English fishermen who were living on the coast of Newfoundland? (It wasn't an English colony, there were also Spainish, French, Dutch, and Basque fishermen there, living year round)


Who were all greeted by the Vikings and the Irish. :D

The Irish too? I knew the Vikings were here long before anyone else, but were Irish monks here as well as in Iceland? Island-hopping monk bastages...

Who were all greeted by the Vikings and the Irish. :D

Who were all greated by the Inuits. :p

About what year was Eric the Red?

Island-hopping monk bastages...

Weren't they Druid bastards then? ;)

Who were all greeted by the Vikings and the Irish. :D

Nevermind them - Leif Erickson and St Brendan I can understand - but could someone explain the several finds of Roman coins in American archeological sites?

Everyone knows the first ship was the Mayflower as Raeligh was Welsh! :eek:

Nevermind them - Leif Erickson and St Brendan I can understand - but could someone explain the several finds of Roman coins in American archeological sites?

Hmm that is fasinating stuff. Especially with that mound that was dated at 800 AD.

If the Romans made it over here, they would have tried to build something I would think.

I would guess it was somebodies "treasures" made it over here.

Doesn't Canada have a Knights templer site somewhere?

Not only was Jamestown established 13 years before Plymouth, but I do not believe that the Pilgrims could be counted as English colonists.

Hmm that is fasinating stuff. Especially with that mound that was dated at 800 AD.

If the Romans made it over here, they would have tried to build something I would think.

I would guess it was somebodies "treasures" made it over here.

Doesn't Canada have a Knights templer site somewhere?

Roman artifacts in North America doesn't necessarily imply Roman presence. The coins could have been taken there by a culture with Roman contacts, that's all.

If anyone in antiquity went to America it wouldn't have been the Romans, it would've been the Carthaginians or Phoenicians.
Maybe even the Greeks - they had a colony in Wales or so for tin...

If anyone in antiquity went to America it wouldn't have been the Romans, it would've been the Carthaginians or Phoenicians.
Maybe even the Greeks - they had a colony in Wales or so for tin...
Yeah its Where Briatin gets its nmae from Pretankik-Spelling is shit but it meant land of the Painted Faces.-Woad. :)

The Pilgrims were Evil!

Not only was Jamestown established 13 years before Plymouth, but I do not believe that the Pilgrims could be counted as English colonists.


There were once called English Seperatists before they went to Holland.

Roman artifacts in North America doesn't necessarily imply Roman presence. The coins could have been taken there by a culture with Roman contacts, that's all.

Sorry I guess I wasn't clear enough as I wasn't suggesting that. More the very same claim you have made. ;)

There were once called English Seperatists before they went to Holland.

Indeed, but they were hardly acting in any official capacity on behalf of the English government with purposes to colonize a new land. They were more like exiles than colonists.

Maybe even the Greeks - they had a colony in Wales or so for tin...

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Phoenicians? They certainly traded with the Cornish tin miners (about 100 miles south of Wales).

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Phoenicians?
Maybe...although there was a time when the Phoenicians and the Greeks weren't that different from each other...

Not only was Jamestown established 13 years before Plymouth, but I do not believe that the Pilgrims could be counted as English colonists.

The Pilgrims were english colonists.... A settlement of English Puritans fleeing adversity suffered by the CofE (Not that the Puritans/Pilgrims were any better than their CofE oppressors.... They enacted the same intollerance and tyrany in their own realm as that of the Anglican church)...

You could be cursorly right... In that many came from Dutch refugee camps.... But they were still English.

1. Will people stop voting "Mayflower".... You're all wrong...

2. While I sympathize with the Amerike crowd, about Established Fishing Industries in Newfoundland. Much Like Roanoke; they did not survive; and never became a self-governing colony.

The Earliest self-governing colony was Jamestown, originally founded under the Virginia Company as an industrial outpost; upon the creation of the House of Burgesses in 1619; it became the only and fully functional independent colony founded by the English... Originally composed of settlers who arrived aboard the Susan Constant, Godspeed, and Discover in 1607; initiated spotty trade and relations with the Powhatan indians (though the name is deceptive; as "Powhatan" was the title of the Head Chief" off all the tribes in the region; and not the name the particular tribes gave themselves) with relations with John Smith (The whole Pocahantas story, anyone?). The Colony remained under the rullership of the Burgesses untill 1775, when the Burgesses conveined under several notable members of the House (including Patrick Henry, James Monroe and James Madison) to draft a constitution for the colony; and establish itself under full independence from the English Crown under new government. In May of 1776 the Constitution was fully ratified by the people of the several counties of the Virginia Colony... Setting up a three branch system of government, under a judiciary, a two house legislature (House of Delegates, and Senate) and an executive (Govenor).... PAtrick Henry became the first elected govenor of the new Commonwealth; and the core of that 1776 constitution still exists as the official supreme document of Virginia's government (though has undergone revisions since that point; the last occuring in 1979)... Madison used the system of government established by Virginia as his model in the 1780's for the Federal Government and United States Constitution; Monroe and Jefferson also used it for the establishment of a Bill of Rights; the first 10 Amendments to the US constitution bearing striking resemblance to Article I of the Virginia Constitution (which is Virginia's Bill of Rights)... Though in no way an exact copy of the original document. Though the Virginia Bill of Rights still contain elements which were rejected from the Federal constitution; including a direct limitation upon having "standing armies" and enactment against executive power of declaring "martial law" over its jurisdiction...

Ah, those Americanocentrists... :)

So, bore the colonists to where? To North America?

Can you name anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere that the English colonized? :rolleyes:

(NB: That's colonized, not became an English colony. Most of the islands of the Carribean have changed hands at least twice.)

Can you name anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere that the English colonized? :rolleyes:

(NB: That's colonized, not became an English colony. Most of the islands of the Carribean have changed hands at least twice.)
Who said anything about the Western Hemisphere, eh? Ah, Western-hemispherecentrists... :rolleyes: Why couldn't I think about Australia, New Zealand, or Pitcairn? Or St Helena and Ascencion Island (if we are to talk about two hemispheres, those two are to the west of the zero meridian)?

BTW, what's the difference, in your opinion, between 'colonized' and 'became an English colony'?

Nevermind them - Leif Erickson and St Brendan I can understand - but could someone explain the several finds of Roman coins in American archeological sites?

Sure, the coins were given to the Gals, who gave them to the Celts, who gave them to the Vikings, who gave them to the North American Indians. Certainly, you didn't think the Romans crossed that nasty, cold North Atlantic Ocean. :D

Who said anything about the Western Hemisphere, eh? Ah, Western-hemispherecentrists... :rolleyes: Why couldn't I think about Australia, New Zealand, or Pitcairn? Or St Helena and Ascencion Island (if we are to talk about two hemispheres, those two are to the west of the zero meridian)?

BTW, what's the difference, in your opinion, between 'colonized' and 'became an English colony'?

I can answer mine....

Were "Colonists" sent, or was in imposition of government upon what were before foreigners.

For example.... The early Canadian colony was French, but "became an English Colony"..... Virginia was an English Colony....

"became" assumes previous colonial oversight, prior to aquisition.

I can answer mine....

Were "Colonists" sent, or was in imposition of government upon what were before foreigners.

For example.... The early Canadian colony was French, but "became an English Colony"..... Virginia was an English Colony....

"became" assumes previous colonial oversight, prior to aquisition.
So 'became a British colony' means that the territory in question had previously been Spanish or French, or someone else's?

BTW, Jamestown was certainly an imposition of government upon foreigners, the Indians to wit.

So 'became a British colony' means that the territory in question had previously been Spanish or French, or someone else's?

BTW, Jamestown was certainly an imposition of government upon foreigners, the Indians to wit.

Actually, Jamestown did not impose government upon the Powhatan; Relations existed between the two (even as far as trade and war)..... The Powhatan did not come under any form domination in their government, till 1644; after an attempt by Opechancanough (Chief Powhatan's successor) to remove the Jamestown settlement and fort. Prior to that under the reign of Wahunsonacock (Commonly called just "Powhatan"), had fair relations between the Indian Tribal government, and the English settlers (Including as far as the marriage of Pocahontas to John Rolfe)... Each indpeendent of the other, in free trade.... After the death of Pocahontas, and a year later "Powhatan"; war was instigated by the new Tribal Chief.....

There was no initial attempt to force english rule over the "Powhatan" tribes around the James River...

-snip-
Mmm... yes, evidently it wasn't an imposition from the beginning. There was a kind of treaty relations between the British and the Indians at first, I suppose?

Can you name anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere that the English colonized? :rolleyes:
Ireland.

Who said anything about the Western Hemisphere, eh? Ah, Western-hemispherecentrists... :rolleyes: Why couldn't I think about Australia, New Zealand, or Pitcairn? Or St Helena and Ascencion Island (if we are to talk about two hemispheres, those two are to the west of the zero meridian)?

BTW, what's the difference, in your opinion, between 'colonized' and 'became an English colony'?

Title of the Poll:
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SHEESH! :rolleyes:

Ireland.

Ireland is *not* in the Western Hemisphere.

Ireland is *not* in the Western Hemisphere.
Why? Who moved it?

Ireland is *not* in the Western Hemisphere.

Nonsense. Is it to the east of Greenwich? Only if you go the long way round.

Title of the Poll:
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SHEESH! :rolleyes:

Would you mind to stop rolling your eyes and to look instead at the quote in my post here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9246141&postcount=3

As you can see, the question was worded differently at first. The thread's starter, Mr Tekania, rephrased it later.

Why? Who moved it?

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=western+hemisphere

Main Entry: western hemisphere
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized W&H
: the half of the earth comprising No. and So. America and surrounding waters

Would you mind to stop rolling your eyes and to look instead at the quote in my post here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9246141&postcount=3

As you can see, the question was worded differently at first. The thread's starter, Mr Tekania, rephrased it later.

I wasn't aware that you could reword a poll after it was posted...

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=western+hemisphere

Main Entry: western hemisphere
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized W&H
: the half of the earth comprising No. and So. America and surrounding waters
The term Western Hemisphere can mean either the half of the Earth west of the prime meridian or the major landmass on that half, namely the continent America (aka the Americas). (Wiki)

depends which definition you use...west of the meridian, or the Americas.

(Wiki)

depends which definition you use...west of the meridian, or the Americas.

Ah, ok then. :cool:

Yeah its Where Briatin gets its nmae from Pretankik-Spelling is shit but it meant land of the Painted Faces.-Woad. :)

The Pilgrims were Evil!

if i'm not mistaken, it was the Picts who were into the face-painting.

Celts were into tattoos.

(or do i have them reversed?)

Wrong! It was the USS Enterprise, with CPT Gay Fagg that brought a crew of Hoomans in a hyperdrive slingshot around Jupiter with a bunch of whales playing Hooman tetherball that came and made up America first.

2. While I sympathize with the Amerike crowd, about Established Fishing Industries in Newfoundland. Much Like Roanoke; they did not survive; and never became a self-governing colony.

If you're referring to the Viking settelements, those did not survive. If you mean the Basques, Irish et al. their descendants are still there, so they were much more successful.

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=western+hemisphere

Main Entry: western hemisphere
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized W&H
: the half of the earth comprising No. and So. America and surrounding waters
But America and surrounding waters don't cover an entire half. It's more like one third. What's the greek word for one third?

But America and surrounding waters don't cover an entire half. It's more like one third. What's the greek word for one third?

Tritos.... So it would be, I guess, the American Tritosphere... Though I've never seen tritos used as a prefix before.... But it would be accurate..

Who were all greated by the Inuits. :p

About what year was Eric the Red?

He came to Greenland in 984 AD. The American colony was established sometime in the next century but only lasted ten years. According to Eric's Saga the Vikings arrived, were greeted by nine Indians, killed eight of them, and the ninth ran away and came back with friends. So after a small war the eighty or so colonists ran away.

That just goes to show it pays not to kill your neighbors.

But America and surrounding waters don't cover an entire half. It's more like one third. What's the greek word for one third?

The Pacific is large...

The Pacific is large...
Hmmm... and so is the Atlantic. What's the Greek word for two thirds then?

Ireland is *not* in the Western Hemisphere.

Last time I checked the map Ireland was just a tad bit west of Great Brittan. I didn't know someone moved it East of Istanbul. :eek:

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=western+hemisphere

Main Entry: western hemisphere
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized W&H
: the half of the earth comprising No. and So. America and surrounding waters

The Western Hemisphere is everything West of the prime meridian all the way to the International Dateline. Dublin is at Longtitude 6 degrees, 16 minutes West of the prime meridian which runs through Grenwich, England.

Tritos.... So it would be, I guess, the American Tritosphere... Though I've never seen tritos used as a prefix before.... But it would be accurate..

Normally just used in the form tri- in English. Confusingly enough this is the same prefix in both Latin and Greek. So... trisphere? Or even trilobosphere (three-lobed-sphere)?

Hmmm... and so is the Atlantic. What's the Greek word for two thirds then?

Any takers for 'the Pacific Ditrilobosphere'?

http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjAz/Img/azea-s70-h-z20-x-90.png

Can someone FIND a picture of the western hemisphere that differs from this one (ie: Includes Ireland?).

Can someone FIND a picture of the western hemisphere that differs from this one (ie: Includes Ireland?).

This one differs:
http://www.robertobaca.com/america_oldermap.jpg
As you can clearly see, Ireland is in the top right corner, a bit above Spain.
:D

This one differs:
As you can clearly see, Ireland is in the top right corner, a bit above Spain.
:D

Funny? Yes. But... :headbang: ARGH!!
(Sorry, I should have seen that one coming)

Oops, I didnt read the question properly. Exam season over and I havent leart a thing :D .

I dint know it said 'English colonists' so I put the nina, the pinta and ths anta Maria.

Normally just used in the form tri- in English. Confusingly enough this is the same prefix in both Latin and Greek. So... trisphere? Or even trilobosphere (three-lobed-sphere)?

Hmmm... and so is the Atlantic. What's the Greek word for two thirds then?

Any takers for 'the Pacific Ditrilobosphere'?[/QUOTE]

"Tri" is "three" not "third"... Which is why a choose it... Tristo is "one third" as near as I can extrapolate from my lexicon. The the LExicon is Koine (Common) and not Classic...

"Hemi" is "half".... (Same as Latin "semi")

Differs from Greek/Latin "three" (Tri)...

if i'm not mistaken, it was the Picts who were into the face-painting.

Celts were into tattoos.

(or do i have them reversed?)
I think you might but in any case
Greeks had Tin mines in South and West England?
And Someone lied to paint there faces it might have been Clowns or William Wallace.

http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjAz/Img/azea-s70-h-z20-x-90.png

Can someone FIND a picture of the western hemisphere that differs from this one (ie: Includes Ireland?).

http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/current/west_hem.html

Note how at the equator this hemisphere terminates at the 0' and 180' points.

A google image search for just 'hemisphere' gives about 3 or 4 results on the first page which include Ireland.

Just to be silly, but could we count the time period when there was one big continental landmass traveled thoroughly by our nomadic ancestors- oh wait. Then there would be no ships, nevermind.

Just to be silly, but could we count the time period when there was one big continental landmass traveled thoroughly by our nomadic ancestors- oh wait. Then there would be no ships, nevermind.

More to the point, no English people either.

Mayflower, but they were no colonists. They were religious fanatics and criminals who were kicked out of the kingdom for good reason. They wouldn't have survived a day without help from the natives, but after they had settled down, they turned into racists and started a continent-wide genozide. Not what I'd call 'colonists'.