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I'm not a big fan of tv, but I was channel canoeing (the Canadian version of surfing) and came across a show called "The Average Joe: The Joes Fight Back". (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/) And I watched it *shudders* in a sort of horrid fascination with the sight of school-yard bullying, nerd vs jock going on between grown adult men. The premise is basically a group of kind of nerdy 'average' guys face off (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/recaps/week3_p4.shtml#recap) against some 'hunks', all vying for the 'love' of one woman. Truly pathetic.

What really grabbed my attention though was one particular arrogant jerk (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/contestants/carson.shtml) who just resonated with me as an archetype of the kind of man I truly hate. Smug, superior, way too aware of his looks, loves belittling and manipulating others, and is the type of guy who would pursue you, then insult you, call you a lesbian, or ugly, or whatever if you didn't return his interest. These guys were the bane of my existence growing up...and I so wish I could somehow revisit those moments with the confidence I have now.

What I don't get is this...do these jerks really 'get the girl'? Who the hell is actually attracted to someone who is so clearly in love with themselves like that? Who is so uber-macho as to be a caricature? Who is so mean-spirited and immature?

So come and share your tales of arrogant jerks, male or female...the ones who live on their looks and lord themselves above all others, who actively seek to make other people feel like dirt...and please, if you have some good tales of how these people end up in less than stellar circumstances, don't hold back!!!!

What really grabbed my attention though was one particular arrogant jerk (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/contestants/carson.shtml) who just resonated with me as an archetype of the kind of man I truly hate. Smug, superior, way too aware of his looks, loves belittling and manipulating others, and is the type of guy who would pursue you, then insult you, call you a lesbian, or ugly, or whatever if you didn't return his interest. These guys were the bane of my existence growing up...and I so wish I could somehow revisit those moments with the confidence I have now.
Sooooooooooooo...you're saying that you were and ugly lesbian growing up? :eek:

:p :D :fluffle:

EDIT: Jeez... that guy looks like a fricken neanderthal. If women think THAT is good-looking... I'll stick to being ugly, thank you.

I wish I had some tales for you :(

Sooooooooooooo...you're saying that you were and ugly lesbian growing up? :eek:


Apparently I was...according to some. When I refused to go out with one particularly cruel jerk (who had the arrogance to ask me out by interjecting himself between my friend and I, and then saying, "shut up fatty" when she protested), he accused me of being stuck up, and said, "you dumb lesbian, you should thank your lucky stars I asked you out! Someone as ugly as you could never get a guy like me on your own!"

Hmmmm...if I was such an ugly lesbian, why did he ask me out, I wonder?

Jerkhead. I always hated that guy. I wonder what he's doing now...I hope he's someone's janitor.

I find all "reality shows" equally obnoxious so I don't watch them. My son and his wife wanted to watch "Big Brother" last night and I watched it for a few minutes. I found it was more obnoxious than I thought it would be, so I left the room, cranked up the computer, and got on NS. Much more interesting and intellectually stimulating.

Apparently I was...according to some. When I refused to go out with one particularly cruel jerk (who had the arrogance to ask me out by interjecting himself between my friend and I, and then saying, "shut up fatty" when she protested), he accused me of being stuck up, and said, "you dumb lesbian, you should thank your lucky stars I asked you out! Someone as ugly as you could never get a guy like me on your own!"

Hmmmm...if I was such an ugly lesbian, why did he ask me out, I wonder?

Jerkhead. I always hated that guy. I wonder what he's doing now...I hope he's someone's janitor.
You rejected a fine specimen of Alpha-Male like him? I dunno, maybe you are a lesbian. ;) :eek: :D

I only ever really ran afoul of one such "pretty boy". It was a Saint Patrick's Day celebration where he was somehow managing to, simultaneously, pretend to know about people with Irish heritage, make fun of said heritage, and try to pick up my friend who was intensely disinterested. the long and short of the matter is that you do NOT pick a fight with an Irish-Canadian on Saint Patrick's Day, surrounded by people who will not help you, and expect to not get your nose bitten hard while you get kneed in the junk and choked with a shillelagh (in this case, my walking stick).

EDIT: Jeez... that guy looks like a fricken neanderthal. If women think THAT is good-looking... I'll stick to being ugly, thank you.
I don't understand who finds that attractive...but apparently everyone is in 'awe' of his looks. Christ...he probably spends more time waxing his chest than he does actually paying attention to any girlfriend he might have.

I find all "reality shows" equally obnoxious so I don't watch them. My son and his wife wanted to watch "Big Brother" last night and I watched it for a few minutes. I found it was more obnoxious than I thought it would be, so I left the room, cranked up the computer, and got on NS. Much more interesting and intellectually stimulating.
It seems all these shows are meant to bring out the worst in people. I never got into Survivor for that reason...I couldn't stand all the back stabbing that went on...they like to say, "this is human nature" while completely ignoring the cultural aspect of how people interact in that kind of situation.

You rejected a fine specimen of Alpha-Male like him? I dunno, maybe you are a lesbian. ;) :eek: :D
If he was such a fine specimen of Alpha-Male, why didn't he go out with the Alpha-Female? :confused:

Things like males make me into a raving feminazi. Seriously. I know like five decent men on the entire planet. I wish I was female just so I could start kicking crotches. (Plenty of other reasons as well, but that is a big one.)

The problem isn't when people know they're attractive (Not that that dude is, he looks like a fifth-generation inbreed), it's when they think they deserve something because of it. A bigger problem is that most of the west has NO FUCKING CLUE what is attractive. Idiots.

Mmm, looks like a show I would watch.

*waits when his country buys the rights*

Apparently I was...according to some. When I refused to go out with one particularly cruel jerk (who had the arrogance to ask me out by interjecting himself between my friend and I, and then saying, "shut up fatty" when she protested), he accused me of being stuck up, and said, "you dumb lesbian, you should thank your lucky stars I asked you out! Someone as ugly as you could never get a guy like me on your own!"

Hmmmm...if I was such an ugly lesbian, why did he ask me out, I wonder?

Jerkhead. I always hated that guy. I wonder what he's doing now...I hope he's someone's janitor.

Can you even begin to comprehend what a pecker you would have to be to make the statement he did to you?
I'd rather be a janitor than a douchebag that pays to have his eyebrows waxed and get tan from a tanning salon or a bottle. There is nothing worse than some vain,smug jackass with impossibly white teeth.

You rejected a fine specimen of Alpha-Male like him? I dunno, maybe you are a lesbian. ;) :eek: :D
I always went for the 'nerdy' types...the guy with the buddy-holly glasses, (who always seemed to have a ripped body underneath their 'unstylish' clothes)...who listened to decent music and actually had a brain in his head. The one who would say something so sarcastic to the jock-types that I'd be in tears with laughter while the jocks stood around looking confused. I like the 'underdogs'. They treat you better, and end up being the ones who actually make it somewhere in life. LESBIAN I AM THEN:)

Why, other arrogant jerks like them.

There were actually studies done on this. When women are ovulating they are attracted to muscular, arrogant guys because they want their kids to be strong (it's no longer relevant now, but these are instincts going back thousands of years). At other times they are attracted to softer looking guys who aren't as strong, but would probably stick around to raise the children.

Discovery channel video from my high school biology class.

If he was such a fine specimen of Alpha-Male, why didn't he go out with the Alpha-Female? :confused:
The Alpha-Female in this scenario is the chick they're all vying for, but apparently her type is 'an everyday thing' for him, and he doesn't really want her (sour grapes anyone?) and she's just a manipulating fake. That's what he was telling all the other guys.

Oh...in my case? Yeah, that guy did end up with the "Alpha female". He got her pregnant in eleventh grade and ditched her.

I always went for the 'nerdy' types...the guy with the buddy-holly glasses, (who always seemed to have a ripped body underneath their 'unstylish' clothes)...who listened to decent music and actually had a brain in his head. The one who would say something so sarcastic to the jock-types that I'd be in tears with laughter while the jocks stood around looking confused. I like the 'underdogs'. They treat you better, and end up being the ones who actually make it somewhere in life. LESBIAN I AM THEN:)Darn... that would have been me if it weren't for the glasses and the decent music...

I can't help wondering if such shows are deliberately designed to parody--or even to promote--modern day archetypes. The image plays on--and helps build when they see it portrayed--the self-image that some young men have. On both sides of the jerk/wimp relationship.

I can't imagine why better role-models wouldn't be promoted; though, I guess that didn't work in the 50's, with the "Father Knows Best" types. That father really *was* thought to be the best, by those who decide such things.

Anyway, I am proud to say I have known no jerks. All my male friends have been sweet, kind, gruff and spanky.

I guess I'm particular. ;)

It seems all these shows are meant to bring out the worst in people. I never got into Survivor for that reason...I couldn't stand all the back stabbing that went on...they like to say, "this is human nature" while completely ignoring the cultural aspect of how people interact in that kind of situation.

Yes- they are an abomination. I was expecting "Survivor" to actually involve some surviving. It would more aptly be named "Prima donna douchebag whores slythering around lying, whining and backstabbing assholes as they vie for 15 minutes of fame and hopefully some endorsement-or a part in another "reality" show".
In reality, most of these people would have their big mouths punched constantly and then die of exposure/starvation/dehydration.
There is no surviving. When someone is skilled enough to build shelter or catch and prepare food, the other scumbags vote them off.

Apparently I was...according to some. When I refused to go out with one particularly cruel jerk (who had the arrogance to ask me out by interjecting himself between my friend and I, and then saying, "shut up fatty" when she protested), he accused me of being stuck up, and said, "you dumb lesbian, you should thank your lucky stars I asked you out! Someone as ugly as you could never get a guy like me on your own!"

Hmmmm...if I was such an ugly lesbian, why did he ask me out, I wonder?

Jerkhead. I always hated that guy. I wonder what he's doing now...I hope he's someone's janitor.

Got to love that kind of broken ass logic. :D

I always went for the 'nerdy' types...the guy with the buddy-holly glasses, (who always seemed to have a ripped body underneath their 'unstylish' clothes)...who listened to decent music and actually had a brain in his head. The one who would say something so sarcastic to the jock-types that I'd be in tears with laughter while the jocks stood around looking confused. I like the 'underdogs'. They treat you better, and end up being the ones who actually make it somewhere in life. LESBIAN I AM THEN:)

DAMNIT!

Why are you married?

Yeah, I watched that show last night. You're right, that jock was a complete jerk. Don't worry though, he doesn't have a chance as long as there are some nice hunks like the one she chose for a 1 on 1 date. Anyway, guys like that have a sense for unconfidence<--(not a real word). They tend to pick on the least confident guys and definately stay clear of women who would put them in their places. I knew a guy that was sort of like that. He wasn't that bad though and there was probably still hope for redeeming him. I never saw him experience his bad karma, however.

DAMNIT!

Why are you married?

Well when two people love each other very much and they decide to kill the relationship, they get married. The benefits are good, I hear.

Got to love that kind of broken ass logic. :DHey, some Philipino Islanders believe that there's only so much good fortune to go around. When someone in the community gets it good, the rest mob them down again, so that he doesn't accumulate it all.

Oh...in my case? Yeah, that guy did end up with the "Alpha female". He got her pregnant in eleventh grade and ditched her.


what a surprise. And now she has a big fat ass and smokes 2 packs of Viceroys a day.

I'd rather be a janitor than a douchebag that pays to have his eyebrows waxed and get tan from a tanning salon or a bottle. There is nothing worse than some vain,smug jackass with impossibly white teeth.
That's definitely how I feel about it. I can't understand how these people seem to get ahead in life though (not all of them of course, but some certainly do). Do they really fool people? I mean, this type of guy really knows how to turn on the charm when he wants to, but it just resonates as fake to me...doesn't everyone feel that (obviously not).

The best part of the show was when these 'hunks' came into the house and started kicking the 'nerds' out of their rooms, tossing their stuff out and stripping the beds down, just totally taking over like the bullies they are. One of the bigger 'nerds' got right in wax-chest boy's face and they kind of did that tough-guy staring contest for a bit. Then the 'nerd' decided to really piss the other guy off, and planted a huge kiss on his lips! I almost pissed myself laughing at the way the jerk reacted...he was just sooooo disgusted...but what was worse for him is that he had been 'gayed' and had to somehow reassure everyone he wasn't 'queer'. HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

Why, other arrogant jerks like them.

There were actually studies done on this. When women are ovulating they are attracted to muscular, arrogant guys because they want their kids to be strong (it's no longer relevant now, but these are instincts going back thousands of years). At other times they are attracted to softer looking guys who aren't as strong, but would probably stick around to raise the children.

Discovery channel video from my high school biology class.
No. Unattractive is simply unattractive, at any time of month.

What I don't get is this...do these jerks really 'get the girl'? Who the hell is actually attracted to someone who is so clearly in love with themselves like that? Who is so uber-macho as to be a caricature? Who is so mean-spirited and immature?

Yes Sinuhue, they do. The girls that post on this forum are mostly the types that are interested in current affairs, free thinking, and debate, and are not the type to go for arrogant jerks. But most girls do.

From the little interview, the guy seems pretty decent.

And is it suddenly alright to call someone ugly, just because they think they aren't? It maybe might make a person unsympatic, but to my opinion it's better then someone who screams for attention by self-pitty and attacking persons who are self-confident.

That's definitely how I feel about it. I can't understand how these people seem to get ahead in life though (not all of them of course, but some certainly do). Do they really fool people? I mean, this type of guy really knows how to turn on the charm when he wants to, but it just resonates as fake to me...doesn't everyone feel that (obviously not).

The best part of the show was when these 'hunks' came into the house and started kicking the 'nerds' out of their rooms, tossing their stuff out and stripping the beds down, just totally taking over like the bullies they are. One of the bigger 'nerds' got right in wax-chest boy's face and they kind of did that tough-guy staring contest for a bit. Then the 'nerd' decided to really piss the other guy off, and planted a huge kiss on his lips! I almost pissed myself laughing at the way the jerk reacted...he was just sooooo disgusted...but what was worse for him is that he had been 'gayed' and had to somehow reassure everyone he wasn't 'queer'. HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

Is this the show that had 5 or so shirtless fuck tarts driving red convertibles across a dry lake bed? I saw part of that last week. They were all doing the one stiff arm on the wheel with the smug jackoff look. Some of them started doing 180s and fishtailing and they didnt do any more close shots- I wanted to see that because their idiot faces and whitened teeth had to be full of dust..

I can't help wondering if such shows are deliberately designed to parody--or even to promote--modern day archetypes. The image plays on--and helps build when they see it portrayed--the self-image that some young men have. On both sides of the jerk/wimp relationship. Absolutley these portrayals are deliberate. The funny thing is, I don't think the participants realise they are there as stereotypes. Well...the 'nerd' seem to, actually...



Anyway, I am proud to say I have known no jerks. All my male friends have been sweet, kind, gruff and spanky.

I guess I'm particular. ;)
Na. There is a difference with knowing and being friends with jerks. We've probably all run into jerks...but they aren't the type of people we tend to want more exposure to. The jerks tend to band together. In fact...there was a kind of homoerotic relationship between these two (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/contestants/carson.shtml) jerks (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/contestants/mike.shtml) that the rest of the cast kept joking about. I guess if neither of them gets the girl, they will at least have each other:)

Edit: spanky? Interesting....

Anyway, I am proud to say I have known no jerks. All my male friends have been sweet, kind, gruff and spanky.

I guess I'm particular. ;)What's that s'posed to mean?

Well when two people love each other very much and they decide to kill the relationship, they get married. The benefits are good, I hear.

Well I don't have a relationship with Sinuhue to kill, so I wouldn't mind.

There is no surviving. When someone is skilled enough to build shelter or catch and prepare food, the other scumbags vote them off.
Exactly. You've described it very well:) I always went for those REAL survivor shows...the ones where they put a group of people (families usually) into certain periods of time and make them cope with the conditions. There was a great one with four families living in 1860 conditions...another one with some families in the 1920s on the Rock (Newfoundland)...THOSE are awesome. I would love to do that...they had to learn how to cooperate, and how to work like dogs just to feed themselves. And the kids were happy! I saw an interview with some of the kids once they went back to 'normal' and they were saying they didn't know what to do anymore...they had no work to do at home, and played video games all day. Screw that. My kids are going to be farm kids and learn how to work hard:)

DAMNIT!

Why are you married?
Cuz I found my dream alpha male:)[/jk]

Well when two people love each other very much and they decide to kill the relationship, they get married. The benefits are good, I hear.
*kicks RPP in the hiney*

Puleez. There are no benefits to speak of. Just higher taxes.

And as for killing the relationship...well, that entirely depends on the people involved. Ours was close to dead for a while...but it's gotten WAY better once we realised we were both pretty damn kinky and it was time to stop being shy about it:)

...but it's gotten WAY better once we realised we were both pretty damn kinky and it was time to stop being shy about it:)

DAMNIT AGAIN!

DAMNIT AGAIN!Seconded!

Yeah, I watched that show last night. You're right, that jock was a complete jerk. Don't worry though, he doesn't have a chance as long as there are some nice hunks like the one she chose for a 1 on 1 date.
My personal fav was this guy (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/josh_nachlas.shtml) (not the greatest picture). He reminds me of my daughter's hot doctor. He's on the 'nerdy' team...but he's yummy. And for the sake of all the decent guys on the show, I hope they go home alone. That chick is bad news.

*kicks RPP in the hiney*

Puleez. There are no benefits to speak of. Just higher taxes.

And as for killing the relationship...well, that entirely depends on the people involved. Ours was close to dead for a while...but it's gotten WAY better once we realised we were both pretty damn kinky and it was time to stop being shy about it:)

MMmm....(remember the first time he smacked your ass hard...or pinched and twisted your ......)

My personal fav was this guy (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/josh_nachlas.shtml) (not the greatest picture). He reminds me of my daughter's hot doctor. He's on the 'nerdy' team...but he's yummy. And for the sake of all the decent guys on the show, I hope they go home alone. That chick is bad news.


I can understand that. He appears clean and no indication of vain pampering. Although he could have pectoral and calf implants...I cant stand male cosmetic surgery...

Yes Sinuhue, they do. The girls that post on this forum are mostly the types that are interested in current affairs, free thinking, and debate, and are not the type to go for arrogant jerks. But most girls do.
Most girls...being ones that are cute but brainless, or plain and conscious , all hankering after the jerks? I refuse to believe that. I'll continue to think that the chicks on NS are in the majority, despite any evidence you may present to the contrary:)

By the way...why would the type of guys that are, say, on NS, be interested in the type of girls that go for jerks? Seriously?

If he was such a fine specimen of Alpha-Male, why didn't he go out with the Alpha-Female? :confused:

No such thing as alpha-female, except in the case of elephants, but I really don't like them so they do not count.

Hee hee,

Guys like those make me laugh. I am fairly muscular from various sports/martial arts but I still have this slight belly, *sigh*. You only get a six pack if you do it deliberately - its a vanity thing. Best of all for those who dislike them the gym fitness doesn't last so they'll just end up being lard buckets when they get older.

Most girls...being ones that are cute but brainless, or plain and conscious , all hankering after the jerks? I refuse to believe that. I'll continue to think that the chicks on NS are in the majority, despite any evidence you may present to the contrary:)

By the way...why would the type of guys that are, say, on NS, be interested in the type of girls that go for jerks? Seriously?

Guys who claim that the majority of girls go for jerks are just jaded and bitter because they once got rejected by the uber-hot chick that would never date them. They tend to set unrealistic standards for girls, then when the one or two supermodelesque girls that they know turn out to be conceited bitches, they automatically assume that all girls are like that.

Either that, or they're the kind of wusses who try the "friend" route to sex, and are angry when it turns out that the girls they wanted to sleep with are no longer interested in them because it took them 8 months to make a move, if they didn't just wait endlessly for the girl to make the move.

By the way...why would the type of guys that are, say, on NS, be interested in the type of girls that go for jerks? Seriously?
True... We have a girl running around on our campus that wears pink furry boots and a skirt so short my ex-girlfriend referred to it as a belt... all of us made fun of her. :D (but not in her face)

From the little interview, the guy seems pretty decent.
Yeah, the interview paints him as a real softy. You had to see how his true colours shone through his actions on that one episode to understand why I'm calling him a real jerk.

And is it suddenly alright to call someone ugly, just because they think they aren't? It maybe might make a person unsympatic, but to my opinion it's better then someone who screams for attention by self-pitty and attacking persons who are self-confident.
Not the issue. Nice try though...oh, the poor down-trodden good looking people, all the NS geeks are attacking them...

...no. This guy was cruel, arrogant, and insulting. His personality makes him ugly (well, that and I personally don't go for that type). And that's what we're talking about. People who think their looks excuse their vile personalities. And this guy is not self-confident. He's just puffed up and arrogant, but I suspect that he actually has a pretty frail ego. Most bullies do. They puff themselves up by making others feel like shit, but when that doesn't work, they doubt themselves constantly. It's kind of sad actually.

No such thing as alpha-female, except in the case of elephants, but I really don't like them so they do not count.
In a wolf pack, there's usually only one pair that gets to mate, or so I recall...

MMmm....(remember the first time he smacked your ass hard...or pinched and twisted your ......)
Stop it! I don't need those kinds of memories at work, damnit! And hubby's been gone for three weeks...*Sinuhue suffers*

I can understand that. He appears clean and no indication of vain pampering. Although he could have pectoral and calf implants...I cant stand male cosmetic surgery...
I can't stand cosmetic surgery period. Unless it's for things like a cleft lip or something.

Na...he doesn't seem the type to have implants. He just seems down to earth. Yup. Hot doctor type. Yum.

In a wolf pack, there's usually only one pair that gets to mate, or so I recall...

The alpha male, and mate he wants.

Some girls think I am sexist for some reason.

Stop it! I don't need those kinds of memories at work, damnit! And hubby's been gone for three weeks...*Sinuhue suffers*


make a scratch and sniff on your seat?

Three weeks?

"Come vit me if you want to live"

The alpha male, and mate he wants.

Some girls think I am sexist for some reason.
Hard to tell with only written statements to go by...

The alpha male, and mate he wants.

Some girls think I am sexist for some reason.
I'm fairly certain that the Alpha-female (http://canidae.ca/WPUPS.HTM) keeps the other bitches in line...

The alpha male, and mate he wants.

Some girls think I am sexist for some reason.
Not quite right:

http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfPack.html

Each pack has a leading, dominate pair, The top male, called the alpha male,who submits to no one and to whom all the other males defer. Likewise, a top alpha female,to whom all other females must submit (The subservient members are usually direct descendants of the Alpha parents).

Contrary to popular belief a female can lead the pack, in one study of 5 packs almost 50% were lead by a female wolf

make a scratch and sniff on your seat?

Three weeks?


Hehehehehheeee....and he'll be gone for two more...we're going to have a lot of catching up to do!

The alpha female in a wolf pack is usually the mother of the pups. In almost all cases, the alpha male is the father of the pups, but in some instances the wolf who ranks just under the alpha wolf in the pack's hierarchy (the Beta wolf) will take over the alpha's role as father if the alpha wolf shows no interest in mating with the alpha female or any other pack member. Just before the breeding season, the male wolves (particularly the alpha male) in the pack will sniff, harass and pursue the alpha female. If needed, the alpha wolves may use physical force to prevent the other pack members from mating.Now that's an interesting way to let relationships run... :D

I can't stand cosmetic surgery period. Unless it's for things like a cleft lip or something.

Na...he doesn't seem the type to have implants. He just seems down to earth. Yup. Hot doctor type. Yum.


I should have said "Elective cosmetic surgery".... I DID have to have my eye lid and lips stiched back together by a plastic surgeon -but it was in the emergency room two hours after I exited a car the hard way and took the steering wheel and rear view mirror with me.

Now that's an interesting way to let relationships run... :D
Now imagine this translated into human polygamous relationships.

I should have said "Elective cosmetic surgery".... I DID have to have my eye lid and lips stiched back together by a plastic surgeon -but it was in the emergency room two hours after I exited a car the hard way and took the steering wheel and rear view mirror with me.
You vain man you :D

Hehehehehheeee....and he'll be gone for two more...we're going to have a lot of catching up to do!


I dont know how you do it... I would have to get a hotel room when I returned...as well as a tetanus booster.

Stop it! I don't need those kinds of memories at work, damnit! And hubby's been gone for three weeks...*Sinuhue suffers*

Aww, baby. I can come relieve you of some of that suffering for you, you know. ;)

TGs, too.

Now imagine this translated into human polygamous relationships.
That's the direction my fragile little mind was wandering... how dare you push it further down that path! :p

I dont know how you do it... I would have to get a hotel room when I returned...as well as a tetanus booster.
Actually, that's what we have been doing (the room, not necessarily the booster:)). We drop the kids off and rent a hotel room for a couple of days. We kind of got carried away the first night the last time and were a bit too sore to really enjoy the rest of the weekend, but we've learned some lessons:). It's a bit expensive...but I doubt we'd last with him working out of town for so long otherwise, and hey, it's a small price to pay to keep our marriage going!

You vain man you :D


I lucked out, having a father that knows a lot of people and how to persuade them to do stuff at 3 am. The rearview mirror smashed and cut my lower eye lid and the steering wheel put my teeth through and through my lower lip.(aside from breaking colar bone, shoulder and ribs.)
The doctor did a great job, considering. What could have been a serious mess that would have held me back for the rest of my life, turned out to be greatly reduced and the noticeable parts of the scars I'm told give me a "rugged attraction".

Actually, that's what we have been doing (the room, not necessarily the booster:)). We drop the kids off and rent a hotel room for a couple of days. We kind of got carried away the first night the last time and were a bit too sore to really enjoy the rest of the weekend, but we've learned some lessons:). It's a bit expensive...but I doubt we'd last with him working out of town for so long otherwise, and hey, it's a small price to pay to keep our marriage going!

Good move. My wife is loud, I wouldnt want to scare the kids. One good thing about the air conditioner-the neighbors dont hear it and call the police.

Sore isnt so bad-everyone last longer.

Actually, that's what we have been doing (the room, not necessarily the booster:)). We drop the kids off and rent a hotel room for a couple of days. We kind of got carried away the first night the last time and were a bit too sore to really enjoy the rest of the weekend, but we've learned some lessons:). It's a bit expensive...but I doubt we'd last with him working out of town for so long otherwise, and hey, it's a small price to pay to keep our marriage going!

DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT!

You are no fair!

If he was such a fine specimen of Alpha-Male, why didn't he go out with the Alpha-Female? :confused:

You mean, the people we refer to as PB's. P is for popular. no marks for guessing the B.

the reason is, they want to conquer, and it's easier to rule hundreds of little countries than the alpha-rival.

basically, tey think that if they get enough 'dumb lesbians', that the PBs will crawl to them. This is because they inhale far too much spray-on pube in a can.

Actually, that's what we have been doing (the room, not necessarily the booster:)).


You need the tetanus booster-what if someone gets a bad rug burn? Or gets cut on the TV armoire? Even nice rooms have had other people doing dirty things in them

DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT!

You are no fair!
Why do you keep reading if you know it will only hurt you? ;)

DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT!

You are no fair!



Hehehe..... lets go get her. We have two weeks.

You need the tetanus booster-what if someone gets a bad rug burn? Or gets cut on the TV armoire? Even nice rooms have had other people doing dirty things in them
All very good points. I will definitely consider it!

Hehehe..... lets go get her. We have two weeks.
I doubt the hubby would be too happy to come home and find me sated and uninterested in a hotel romp:)


Back on topic:

I'm still waiting to hear some good stories about how these jerks end up...

I'm still waiting to hear some good stories about how these jerks end up...I s'pose I'm still to young to know any former class mates that really screwed up their life... Most of the jocks seemed to get friendlier in the last year or two of school...

I'm still waiting to hear some good stories about how these jerks end up...

I doubt you will hear many. Karma is a nice thought, but it doesn’t exist. Bad things seem to often happen to good people, and good thing seem to consistently happen to bad people.

Now watch somebody post a good “Revenge of the Nerds” type story, just to prove me wrong.

I doubt the hubby would be too happy to come home and find me sated and uninterested in a hotel romp:)


Back on topic:

I'm still waiting to hear some good stories about how these jerks end up...


Let me check my list of things I am concerned about...Hmmm....nope-nothing about your husband in here.

We arent thinking of any good stories about jerks....just wondering what you taste like

Now watch somebody post a good “Revenge of the Nerds” type story, just to prove me wrong.

Google. $300 a share, net worth 500 million plus. Almost every employee's moving to Atherton CA to buy mansions.

http://x.gadgetmaniac.com/wordpress/upimages/googlers.jpg

Why do you keep reading if you know it will only hurt you? ;)

Because I just can't tear myself away from her words. She's like an addiction.

Because I just can't tear myself away from her words. She's like an addiction.Ah, the bittersweet taste of depression... I take medication to get off it now...

Because I just can't tear myself away from her words. She's like an addiction.


yeah...why is that? I'm a fraid it may be "Sacagawea Syndrome"...

I don't have any 'how the jerks end up' stories because I never kept in contact with any of them (obviously). But I would hope eventually the high school jerks grew up (maturity-wise). The ones I've run into now and again that are adults...well...I don't know if I just bring out the worst in people or if they are jerks to others too.

yeah...why is that? I'm a fraid it may be "Sacagawea Syndrome"...

It's because I can't have it. I always want what I can't have.

yeah...why is that? I'm a fraid it may be "Sacagawea Syndrome"...
Na it's "at'im mītas" syndrome. (Cree profanity for ya!It actually mean's dog pants. Go figure:))

Edit: Basically that means, "It's "go f*ck yerself syndrome"

It's because I can't have it. I always want what I can't have.

"Cant"? You mean "wont".

"Cant"? You mean "wont".
Now now...quit getting him riled up! I'd have a difficult time explaining why I was hiding him in the closet if he just showed up unannounced!

Na it's "at'im mītas" syndrome. (Cree profanity for ya!It actually mean's dog pants. Go figure:))

Edit: Basically that means, "It's "go f*ck yerself syndrome"


Dog's Pants !?!? How dare you !! Leave it to the Cree for such vile and hateful insults. I've been called worse.

Now now...quit getting him riled up! I'd have a difficult time explaining why I was hiding him in the closet if he just showed up unannounced!

Hiding me in the closet? Sounds kinky.

Now now...quit getting him riled up! I'd have a difficult time explaining why I was hiding him in the closet if he just showed up unannounced!


I was thinking of delivering a pizza-you'd answer the door for that.

Hiding me in the closet? Sounds kinky.


yeah-but you'd have to wear dog pants. I wore a dog collar once.

I was thinking of delivering a pizza-you'd answer the door for that.

I used to do that. I still have my Dominos shirt and everything.

edit: TG, Sin.

Whoa! I take time to post a longwinded response somewhere else and you people are already talking about closets... that brings back memories. (and makes me wish there was a lecherous smiley)

I used to do that. I still have my Dominos shirt and everything.

See-we're halfway there already. She'd open the door for a large sausage pie.

See-we're halfway there already. She'd open the door for a large sausage pie.

Well, I'm Italian, so I suppose this is where I insert an "Italian Sausage" joke.
























And yes, I meant to use the word "insert".

*watches the innuendos pile up*

Sheesh you guys. I'm afraid to post anything else, because it will surely be twisted into perverse meaning by one of you...could you get back on topic puleeez?

Well, I'm Italian, so I suppose this is where I insert an "Italian Sausage" joke.




And yes, I meant to use the word "insert".


I am too. And thanks for not letting that one by.

*watches the innuendos pile up*

Sheesh you guys. I'm afraid to post anything else, because it will surely be twisted into perverse meaning by one of you...could you get back on topic puleeez?
You said yourself you don't know any stories, so why should you be allowed to criticize us?

*watches the innuendos pile up*

Sheesh you guys. I'm afraid to post anything else, because it will surely be twisted into perverse meaning by one of you...could you get back on topic puleeez?

This is on topic. We're acting like arrogant jerks. :D

*watches the innuendos pile up*

Sheesh you guys. I'm afraid to post anything else, because it will surely be twisted into perverse meaning by one of you...could you get back on topic puleeez?


I love when she begs to be twisted



topic? werent you alone for 5 weeks with no sausa...I mean horse to ride the topic?

This is on topic. We're acting like arrogant jerks. :D
:D

I love when she begs to be twisted



topic? werent you alone for 5 weeks with no sausa...I mean horse to ride the topic?
I wish there was a good punchy emoticon... :eek:

Yeah yeah, I started the drift...you don't need to push me further out to sea though:) Fris is going to come in here and lock us up!

I love when she begs to be twisted


HA! I approve.

I heart Sinuhue. And she has another telegram.

I wish there was a good punchy emoticon... :eek:

Yeah yeah, I started the drift...you don't need to push me further out to sea though:) Fris is going to come in here and lock us up!
Hm... locking up... sounds kinky... :D

I'm not a big fan of tv, but I was channel canoeing (the Canadian version of surfing) and came across a show called "The Average Joe: The Joes Fight Back". (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/) And I watched it *shudders* in a sort of horrid fascination with the sight of school-yard bullying, nerd vs jock going on between grown adult men. The premise is basically a group of kind of nerdy 'average' guys face off (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/recaps/week3_p4.shtml#recap) against some 'hunks', all vying for the 'love' of one woman. Truly pathetic.

What really grabbed my attention though was one particular arrogant jerk (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/contestants/carson.shtml) who just resonated with me as an archetype of the kind of man I truly hate. Smug, superior, way too aware of his looks, loves belittling and manipulating others, and is the type of guy who would pursue you, then insult you, call you a lesbian, or ugly, or whatever if you didn't return his interest. These guys were the bane of my existence growing up...and I so wish I could somehow revisit those moments with the confidence I have now.

What I don't get is this...do these jerks really 'get the girl'? Who the hell is actually attracted to someone who is so clearly in love with themselves like that? Who is so uber-macho as to be a caricature? Who is so mean-spirited and immature?

So come and share your tales of arrogant jerks, male or female...the ones who live on their looks and lord themselves above all others, who actively seek to make other people feel like dirt...and please, if you have some good tales of how these people end up in less than stellar circumstances, don't hold back!!!!

For the record, the reason it's called the average Joe fights back is because the girl chose the hunk the first two seasons. They make the hunks worse every season and they keep winning. For the record, I don't this amounts to a statement about all women, just a statement about the type of woman that would go on a show like that.

Ok,Ok.. I'm sorry to have taken part in derailing your train again.
I have to say-the innuendo and joking is such fun and a welcome relief from the political crap-its easy to get carried away.
Its all in fun and missed you the past few days. I'm going to find some lunch now and let you get back to the serious business.

But-what to eat? That same problem I'm faced with at this time daily...

HA! I approve.

I heart Sinuhue. And she has another telegram.


It wouldnt be fair for me to say I heart Sinuhue. Lust...maybe. Lust and ravage. Thats it.

For the record, the reason it's called the average Joe fights back is because the girl chose the hunk the first two seasons. They make the hunks worse every season and they keep winning. For the record, I don't this amounts to a statement about all women, just a statement about the type of woman that would go on a show like that.
Yeah...she doesn't impress me much either. Not even in a 'hey, she's kind of cute I wouldn't mind giving her a go' way.

But hey...she gets to make out with various men, who all at least 'pretend' to want her...great way to stroke your ego!

Time to work out. See you after lunch!

great way to stroke your ego!

Amongst other things, I imagine.

Amongst other things, I imagine.
You're drifting again...

Yeah, the interview paints him as a real softy. You had to see how his true colours shone through his actions on that one episode to understand why I'm calling him a real jerk.


Not the issue. Nice try though...oh, the poor down-trodden good looking people, all the NS geeks are attacking them...

...no. This guy was cruel, arrogant, and insulting. His personality makes him ugly (well, that and I personally don't go for that type). And that's what we're talking about. People who think their looks excuse their vile personalities. And this guy is not self-confident. He's just puffed up and arrogant, but I suspect that he actually has a pretty frail ego. Most bullies do. They puff themselves up by making others feel like shit, but when that doesn't work, they doubt themselves constantly. It's kind of sad actually.

Ow well, I just tried to create at least some discussion.

*wonders of*

Yeah...she doesn't impress me much either. Not even in a 'hey, she's kind of cute I wouldn't mind giving her a go' way.

But hey...she gets to make out with various men, who all at least 'pretend' to want her...great way to stroke your ego!

And stroking her ego is obviously the point. Why anyone would go on a show like that is beyond me? I would consider going and then shoot down all the good-looking women (after getting them in the sack of course) just on principal.

I'm not a big fan of tv, but I was channel canoeing (the Canadian version of surfing) and came across a show called "The Average Joe: The Joes Fight Back". (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/) And I watched it *shudders* in a sort of horrid fascination with the sight of school-yard bullying, nerd vs jock going on between grown adult men. The premise is basically a group of kind of nerdy 'average' guys face off (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/recaps/week3_p4.shtml#recap) against some 'hunks', all vying for the 'love' of one woman. Truly pathetic.

What really grabbed my attention though was one particular arrogant jerk (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe/contestants/carson.shtml) who just resonated with me as an archetype of the kind of man I truly hate. Smug, superior, way too aware of his looks, loves belittling and manipulating others, and is the type of guy who would pursue you, then insult you, call you a lesbian, or ugly, or whatever if you didn't return his interest. These guys were the bane of my existence growing up...and I so wish I could somehow revisit those moments with the confidence I have now.

What I don't get is this...do these jerks really 'get the girl'? Who the hell is actually attracted to someone who is so clearly in love with themselves like that? Who is so uber-macho as to be a caricature? Who is so mean-spirited and immature?

So come and share your tales of arrogant jerks, male or female...the ones who live on their looks and lord themselves above all others, who actively seek to make other people feel like dirt...and please, if you have some good tales of how these people end up in less than stellar circumstances, don't hold back!!!!
Sounds to me as if the show has well and truly hooked you! Tsk! :D

I have more stories about "arrogant" people than you can shake a stick at, men AND women.

One caveat: you have to be very careful when making generalizations about anyone, especially those your first impression leads you to think of as "jerks." I consider myself to be a pretty good judge of character, and yet I still get it wrong sometimes.

One of the common denominators I have seen in those with more than their fair share of arrogance is that things have come too easily to them, including the opposite sex. Many, many women, for example, are attracted to confidence and that "chisled, Greek-God look." Younger men who look like this are often very successful with the opposite sex, which leads them to believe that they are somehow "destined" to be God's gift to women, and that there has to be something wrong with any woman who rejects them.

There's also a slightly different sort of arrogance which is a type of over-compensaton for some percieved flaw. This applied to me when I was in my 20s. I had been unmercifully picked on as a child, being a reader and very skinny and weak. During my first year in the Army, I overcame that and became what many would call "arrogant." Somewhere in the back of my mind was, "Ok, NOW let's see you pick on me!" What astonished me was the radical change in my ability to attract women. Unfortunatelly, most women attracted by this sort of attitude turned out to be the wrong type for my basic personality. I went through a lot of changes! Heh!

I have more stories about "arrogant" people than you can shake a stick at, men AND women.Please tell us! :)

I don't know how you can watch anything on television right now... the heatwave here in southern Ontario is so bad, I've only left the relative comfort of this small, air-conditioned room long enough to use the toilet for the last ten days.

The TV has sat, unused, for longer than that...

Give me back my snow, damnnit! I never complain about snow. Maybe if I bought some bags of ice and threw the chunks up over my head...

Sounds to me as if the show has well and truly hooked you! Tsk! :D Just that once, I swear I'll never watch it again!!!!

Just that once, I swear I'll never watch it again!!!!
Get him to tell us his stories...

Yes- they are an abomination. I was expecting "Survivor" to actually involve some surviving. It would more aptly be named "Prima donna douchebag whores slythering around lying, whining and backstabbing assholes as they vie for 15 minutes of fame and hopefully some endorsement-or a part in another "reality" show".
In reality, most of these people would have their big mouths punched constantly and then die of exposure/starvation/dehydration.
There is no surviving. When someone is skilled enough to build shelter or catch and prepare food, the other scumbags vote them off.
I agree. RealityTV is 'teh suck'.

What I don't get is this...do these jerks really 'get the girl'? Who the hell is actually attracted to someone who is so clearly in love with themselves like that? Who is so uber-macho as to be a caricature? Who is so mean-spirited and immature?


In my experience, they either fall for that guy or the bad boy up until about of 21 or so because they're "so cool". This, of course, reinforces that type of behavior in all males while those of us who are more 'well adjusted' essentially get ignored or are forced to be 'just friends'. Then, when the girls start growing up they start complaining about the immature, "arrogant jerks" they have helped to create. Some guys grow out of it some don't.

I don't know how you can watch anything on television right now... the heatwave here in southern Ontario is so bad, I've only left the relative comfort of this small, air-conditioned room long enough to use the toilet for the last ten days.

The TV has sat, unused, for longer than that...

Give me back my snow, damnnit! I never complain about snow. Maybe if I bought some bags of ice and threw the chunks up over my head...


I just spoke to a friend in Ontario-she said its disgusting there. I want to say she said it was 13 degrees.

We just had a huge thunderstorm here in NJ-the deluge left a sandbar in the middle of my street. And now the sun is back out-its steamy out there, trees dripping ... I hate high humidity

In my experience, they either fall for that guy or the bad boy up until about of 21 or so because they're "so cool". This, of course, reinforces that type of behavior in all males while those of us who are more 'well adjusted' essentially get ignored or are forced to be 'just friends'. Then, when the girls start growing up they start complaining about the immature, "arrogant jerks" they have helped to create. Some guys grow out of it some don't.
You see, this is always what I hear...but what I always SAW in high school was that the pretty-boy jerks were serial daters who could never handle a long term relationship, and the 'nerd-types' ended up in longer relationships. In fact, some of the 'nerdy-types' used their status to go 'undercover' and get laid WAY more often than the pretty boys. Never tattled about it either (well, except to their good buddy Sinuhue). Amazing.

You see, this is always what I hear...but what I always SAW in high school was that the pretty-boy jerks were serial daters who could never handle a long term relationship, and the 'nerd-types' ended up in longer relationships. In fact, some of the 'nerdy-types' used their status to go 'undercover' and get laid WAY more often than the pretty boys. Never tattled about it either (well, except to their good buddy Sinuhue). Amazing.


The type of pretty boys you're talking about are usually so concerned about their looks and image, they never listen to what someone else is saying-and its probably obvious to that someone else pretty early.

You see, this is always what I hear...but what I always SAW in high school was that the pretty-boy jerks were serial daters who could never handle a long term relationship, and the 'nerd-types' ended up in longer relationships. In fact, some of the 'nerdy-types' used their status to go 'undercover' and get laid WAY more often than the pretty boys. Never tattled about it either (well, except to their good buddy Sinuhue). Amazing.


All I can speak to is what I have experienced and observed in my personal life and or in related research I've done. BTW, I was never particularly 'nerdy' as I was on the Basket Ball team and Volley Ball team. Granted I was relatively mature for my age and had morals that governed my behavior to some degree, not that I ever had an opportunity to do anything different even if I'd have wanted to... I was always the guy that the girls I'd have loved to date came to talk to about what slobs their boyfriends were and got asked for all kinds of advice, but got completely ignored or given the "just friends" talk when I ask them out myself...

You see, this is always what I hear...but what I always SAW in high school was that the pretty-boy jerks were serial daters who could never handle a long term relationship, and the 'nerd-types' ended up in longer relationships. In fact, some of the 'nerdy-types' used their status to go 'undercover' and get laid WAY more often than the pretty boys. Never tattled about it either (well, except to their good buddy Sinuhue). Amazing.

As another well-adjusted type who has been relegated to friend status more times than I can count, I'd have to say that your experiences were the exception, not the norm. I'll admit that where I've been (went to high school in Idaho, where the median age of marriage is around 20 for women and 22 for men, so they tend to marry for looks more than actual competence in the world, and attended college in the most superficial city in America, Las Vegas) colors a great deal of my experiences, but I've found that women are every bit as shallow as they claim men of being, and far less self-honest about it.

I don't have any experiences to tell about jerks who got their comeuppance from me or any other nice guy, because I've never seen it happen. I do know that if Cosmo reader surveys were in any way accurate, I should be beating women off with a stick: while I'm not Brad Pitt and I'm not tall (only 5'8"), I'm not bad looking, and I'm phenomenally well put together. I'm also generally considered very smart, really funny and a nice guy. Yet for the life of me I can't get a date: the closest I've ever come to an actual date was at the senior prom, when the girl I asked told me never to speak to her again.

Now granted, my humor tends to be offbeat, and if I'm nervous, it often comes out ill-timed (word to the wise: never say something along the lines of "I hope you like the taste of ringworm medication" when a girl is about to kiss you, no matter how much in jest), and historically I've never been the most confident guy around women, which shouldn't be a surprise since I ranked a fairly crushing high school experience as one of the highlights of my dating life. One would think, though, that a woman who sees all kinds of good things about a guy, however, would be willing to overlook a bit of nervousness.

What is the point of this story? I'm not sure. Probably it's just a rambling diatribe that doesn't make any sense. But one thing that does make sense, at least to me, is that the one thing jerks have historically demonstrated that I generally don't is a sense of immense self-confidence. Now, that confidence may not be real, but they radiate it, and I generally don't, as I've operated under the assumption that if you're competent, you don't need to act like an asswipe to make people notice that you're competent. Based on the fact that women seem to not only gravitate towards those asswipes instead of me, but gravitate over and through me to get to those asswipes, I think I might well have been mistaken in that assumption.

In summation, if Chewbacca lived on Endor, you must acquit. The defense rests.