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Could al Qaeda be connected to the Islamic Assassin cults of the 11th Century?

Daistallia 2104
13-07-2005, 06:17
A note on the source: This article comes from a site who's URL is forbidden to post here due to content elsewhere on the site. See this post for details: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9242250 I haven't found another "safe" source for it. The article can be found fairly easily, or by TGing me, so please don't post it.

I recently came across an interesting article that claims to connect the old Hashshashin (or al-da'wa al-jadīda) to the modern al Qaeda. I thought that it might be of interest and spark some debate. If nothing else, it provides a good background for al Qaeda, the topic of many debates here. :)

The following is an exerpt (yes, an exerpt - the original is much longer):

al Qaeda and the Assassins
Could al Qaeda be connected to the Islamic Assassin cults of the 11th Century?

After September 11, publishers rushed to rebrand a series of academic and popular books on the Assassins as tomes on the origins of terrorism, much to the consternation of the authors in most cases. Although it's an easy and obvious sort of comparison, there are a number of reasons why al Qaeda couldn't possibly be connected to the Assassins...

Cue the mandatory: "Or could they?"

The idea sounds great at first blush, but when you look into it, you quickly discover a handful of Really Good Reasons why it can't possibly be true.

But if you keep on digging, dribs and drabs of historical clues begin to emerge. Whether or not it's true, the premise is just as dramatic and perhaps significantly more credible than the premise of The DaVinci Code, just for instance.

Whether or not the premise is actually true, the tale that unwinds offers a fresh perspective on the War on Terrorism. Whether you want to take it as a time-killing lark, or study every word with all the burning gravity of grim unrelenting death...

Then and Now: The Missing Link
A direct connection between the 11th-century Assassins cults and al Qaeda would be a conspiracy theorist's dream come true. Unfortunately, the intense secrecy around both groups and the passing of nearly 1,000 years of history makes a link virtually impossible to prove.

It's much easier, however, to show whether it could be true. The story captures the imagination in much the same way as the real-life historical theories behind The DaVinci Code. And along the way, the theory might offer an important insight into the War on Terrorism, surely the great challenge of our times.

In comparing the Assassins to al Qaeda, there are four key points of convergence:

* The use of secret infiltration: As best can be determined, components of the broad al Qaeda network first began infiltrating the U.S. in the mid-1980s. Not only did this infiltration go undetected for years, but it started five years before the U.S. government believes al Qaeda was even founded. This use of sleeper agents and deceptive practices closely matches the practices of the Assassins, who buried agents under deep cover for years until their services were needed.
* The secret society model: The Assassins were structured as a secret society, with circles of initiation that heightened the effects of cultlike brainwashing techniques. al Qaeda's structure can be viewed as a parallel construct, and the terrorist network is known to employ some of the same techniques.
* Manipulation of the Muslim community: Both the Assassins and al Qaeda employed deceptive techniques to manipulate fellow Muslims, either for political gains or to recruit operatives from outside their sects. Both groups also used taqiyya, an Islamic theological concept which they construed as permission to freely use deception in furtherance of their goals.
* A historical narrative connecting the two sects: So how do you get from point A to point B? Is there some way to construct a reasonable theory connecting al Qaeda and the Assassins? The reader will make his or her own determination of "reasonable," but <removed site> will provide the "theory."

A Tale Of Two Hassans
Hassan I-Sabbah, the founder of the Assassins, was born near Tehran during the 11th century. He received a religious education in Shi'a Islam and was exposed to the Ismaili sect at an early age.

The Shi'ites believed that the Islamic state should rightfully be led by the descendents of Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhmmad. The Ismailis supported leaders, known as Fatimids, who claimed a specific line of descent from Ali after an eighth-century dispute over succession. After splitting from the Shi'ites, the Ismailis took a more mystical turn, integrating elements of Gnosticism and Greek philosophy.

Hassan traveled to Cairo, Egypt, where he was educated as a dai at the Ismaili university of al-Azhar. The details of his education are unknown, but the setting is well-documented.

al-Azhar was established as a university in the late 10th century and quickly became a leading educational institution. Ismaili dais were educated at al-Azhar, in a special wing known as Dar al-Hikma, which was dedicated to revealing the sect's inner teachings. The main university was open to the public and put forward a more ecumenical face.

At the time of Hassan's trip to Cairo, the Ismailis were in the middle of a schism over the succession of the caliphate. Hassan supported Nizar ibn al-Mustansir, whose name was eventually lent to the Assassin cult, the Nizaris. Hassan was deported from Egypt for supporting Nizar. After traveling in search of converts for a few years, he took control of the fortress of Alamut in what is now Iran, and the Assassins were born.

Almost 900 years later, another Hassan emerged in Egypt as the leader of a potent Islamic secret society. Born in 1906, Hassan al-Banna was the son of a watchmaker who grew up to be a schoolteacher. Like Hassan I-Sabbah, he was educated at al-Azhar University.

Much had changed at al-Azhar over the intervening centuries. After the collapse of Ismaili political power, the university had become a Sunni institution in the late Middle Ages. By the time al-Banna arrived in Cairo in the 1920s, the city and the university lifestyle had also become largely secularized, at least on the surface. While still a religious establishment, Islam was often treated as a academic matter, to be kept within the University's walls.

al-Banna was admitted to al-Azhar at the age of 16, according to legend, because he had memorized the entire Koran. He founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928 to promote Islamic values. Like his namesake, Hassan traveled the world in search of new members for his organization, setting up branches in several countries around the Middle East.

In the late 1940s, the establishment of the state of Israel sparked a regional war, and within that violent conflict, the Brotherhood suddenly emerged as a militant political group, using violence to further its goal of establishing Islamic governments in the region.

In pursuit of its modern goals, al-Banna's organization employed an ancient tool -- assassination. Like Hassan I-Sabbah, al-Banna sought to reshape the political fortunes of the Middle East through strategic killing, such as the 1948 assassination of Egyptian prime minister Mahmud Fahmi Nokrashi, committed by a member of the Brotherhood. Unlike the leader of the Assassin cult, al-Banna did not have a fortress to protect him from the consequences of his killings. al-Banna died at the hands of the Egyptian government one year later.

The Missing Link
Each Hassan passed through the University of al-Azhar, albeit with a millennium between them.

al-Azhar and the Muslim Brotherhood both played a central role in the development of al Qaeda.

Combined with the other points of convergence between al Qaeda and the Assassins, Cairo offers the possibility of a missing link between the ancient cult and the modern scourge.

The Muslim Brotherhood runs like a colored thread through the fabric of al Qaeda. A young Osama bin Laden was introduced to fundamentalist Islam by a Muslim Brother, and when he went to Afghanistan, he was the protege of jihadist Abdallah Azzam, another member of the organization and a former student at al-Azhar.

al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman Al-Zawahiri was another member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Egyptian Islamic Jihad -- Zawahiri's original terror network, now part of al Qaeda -- was visibly entwined with the Brotherhood. Zawahiri himself studied medicine at al-Azhar. Zawahiri's great-uncle had been Grand Imam at al-Azhar, and his grandfather and great grandfather were scholars at the University. EIJ's spiritual leader, "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman, was a professor at al-Azhar.

The architects of modern jihadi theology -- Sayyid Qutb and Abd al-Salam Faraj -- were both members of the Brotherhood. Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas, was both a member of the Brotherhood and an al-Azhar alumni.

The infiltration of the Brotherhood into Egyptian society resembles Hassan I-Sabbah's covert infiltration of Alamut in the 11th century. Through misdirection and sometimes outright deception, the Brotherhood has established a stronghold of sorts in the middle of a country considered to be one of America's most steadfast allies in the Middle East. According to Mary Anne Weaver, author of A Portrait of Egypt:

Al-Azhar had long been a prime recruiting ground for the Muslim Brotherhood, and its graduates had, in turn, reexported the Brotherhood's brand of militant Islam throughout the Middle East. What is far more worrisome, however, to Egyptian secularists is the Brotherhood's recent success -- thanks largely to Saudi funding -- in recruiting prominent sheikhs from within al-Azhar itself. The sheiks have then, in turn, infiltrated the Egyptian courts in their efforts to implement Shariah law.

Slowly, almost imperceptibly, over the years, Egypt's Islamist revolution by stealth has burrowed its way into the very heart of the institutions of the Arab world's largest and most important state.

The notion that some sort of secret society with ties to the Assassins could have endured for 1,000 years in Cairo, in the vicinity of al-Azhar University, is not as outrageous as it sounds. After all, al-Azhar itself has endured that long.

Like our theoretical society, al-Azhar has survived and thrived. Like our secret society, al-Azhar has metamorphosed from a Shi'ite institution into a Sunni institution. And like our secret society, al-Azhar has spread its influence around the globe to dramatic effect even in this modern, secularized world.

Perhaps our long-lost Assassin sect exists side-by-side with the University, waiting on the sidelines to single out the best of the intellects who make their way to al-Azhar -- in much the same way Skull and Bones taps the shoulders of elite students at Yale, without the formal sanction of the university.
The Secret of al Qaeda's Success
If al Qaeda and the Assassins share a possible geographical center, structural elements and theological tenets, the question that remains is still daunting: What mechanism could ensure the survival of a secret sect for so long? How could such a society remain concealed for so long? A romantic appeal to the legendary proficiency of the Assassins isn't enough. A practical description is required.

Fortunately, al Qaeda itself provides a template for how this theoretical secret sect could survive

The War on Terrorism has provided an unparalleled opportunity to see how the secret society model functions over time and under intense pressure. The development of al Qaeda over the approximately 20 years of its history can be charted simulate, to an extent, the pressures that a secretive sect might face over the course of a much longer time.

Since its founding, al Qaeda has primarily been an aggregator of terrorist groups. Although it exists as a terrorist cell in its own right, the network's function is more often to support and coordinate the efforts of other terror groups, while creating entirely new organizations with links back to the original.

In its early days, al Qaeda worked with pre-existing terror groups like Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Ayman Al-Zawahiri's terrorist organization. Conventional wisdom says al Qaeda was founded in 1989, and that it merged with EIJ in 1998. But the pattern of activity argues for much earlier dates for both those events.

By the late 1980s, EIJ had a sweeping network of sleeper agents in place within the United States, and those agents worked closely with figures now known to be associated with al Qaeda. bin Laden and Zawahiri first met in 1987, according to Washington Post editor Stephen Coll's Ghost Wars.

Ali Mohammed -- an Egyptian who infiltrated the U.S. Army and worked closely with the blind sheikh -- later became al Qaeda's chief of security, training bin Laden's personal bodyguards. The blind sheikh's cell summoned Ramzi Yousef from Pakistan to New York so that he could execute the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed helped fund the attack. bin Laden himself was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the EIJ cell's thwarted bombing attack on New York City landmarks in 1993.

At first, al Qaeda's function was to absorb these other organizations. A southeast Asian militant named Hambali fought in Afghanistan in the mid-1980s, where he encountered bin Laden and attended al Qaeda's training camps. There, like others who attended the camps, he was indoctrinated into the core al Qaeda group.

In the early 1990s, Hambali was sent back to Asia, where he rejoined Jemaah Islamiah, the group he had originally belong to. Armed with bin Laden's cash and the connections he made in Afghanistan, Hambali took over JI in short order, transforming it into al Qaeda's affiliate in the region.

In addition to working with existing terror organizations like EIJ, the young al Qaeda group sponsored the formation of new groups. In the late 1980s, perhaps even earlier than the commonly accepted date of al Qaeda's founding, bin Laden invested in the Philippines.

First, he funneled money to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, a local militant group that had operated for more than a decade. A few years later, a veteran of the Afghanistan camps split the Abu Sayyaf Group off from MILF, resulting in a new organization more directly under al Qaeda's control.

As in New York, Ramzi Yousef and KSM traveled to the Philippines to coordinate massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. with the help of the local network. In turn, Yousef helped train new Filipino recruits at bin Laden-sponsored camps in the country.

al Qaeda is a generator of terrorist groups. When the organization is pressured, it splits off segments, or seeds, which grow into semi-autonomous operations. This process has accelerated in recent years, since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. In August 2004, the Associated Press reported:

The emergence of small, little known groups with ideologies like al-Qaida's has made the fight against terrorism a far more daunting task. Instead of targeting just al-Qaida, the West and its allies now face many "al-Qaidas," splinter groups that are mostly unrelated to each other but are bound by the same hatred of the West -- especially the United States and its allies, including Israel. The groups are small, little known and highly militant. [...]

The different "franchises" act under different names. For instance, the group behind last month's abduction of four Jordanians in Iraq called itself "Mujahedeen of Iraq, the Group of Death." "Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula" is the umbrella group for militants active in the kingdom. [...]

"Now what you find are remnants of al-Qaida," said Kevin Rosser, an analyst with the London-based Control Risks Group. "There's no central nervous system anymore. Al-Qaida is the kind of brand name that we're giving to Islamic extremists of all kind, whether or not they've got real connection to bin Laden or any of his associates."

Except that there may be a central nervous system after all. The example of al Qaeda and EIJ above is telling.

Although there are numerous proven direct links between EIJ and al Qaeda starting no later than the early 1990s, virtually every source dates the "merger" between the groups to 1998.

If you pull back to look at the big picture, including Muslim Brotherhood linkages, the integration of the two organizations looks like a much earlier event, perhaps as early al Qaeda's founding in the mid-1980s.

From The Root
Finally, we must delve into an entirely speculative zone to answer the original question. How could al Qaeda be a direct descendent of the Assassins?

Perhaps both groups grew from the same root.

What if there were a core Islamic militant sect, call them the "Assassins Prime," a sect buried in so many layers of misdirection and initiation that only a very few even became aware of its existence?

The Assassins and al Qaeda have proven that the sectarian difference between Sunni and Shi'ite isn't insurmountable, the example of al-Azhar shows it even more clearly. The Assassins Prime are not constrained by sect, school or theology. In the words of Hassan I-Sabbah, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Instead of being controlled by theology, the Primal Assassins would manipulate it for the sake of political Islam, for the sake of the global caliphate.

Since the time of the original caliphate more than 1,000 years ago, there have always been those who sought to restore and expand the empire's reach. However, the Assassins Prime would not perform the work of empire-building directly.

al Qaeda, in the end, is a hybrid. In addition to creating shell after shell, and cell after cell, al Qaeda also directly executes attacks. That makes it vulnerable to disruption and opposition.

The Assassin Prime sect would not execute attacks. If it exists, it's a secret society that exists for one reason only: to spawn new secret societies that share its ideology.

Its children perform the work of war, fight and die on the front lines, whether in combat or in the cockpit of an airplane speeding toward a skyscraper at 500 miles per hour. The Assassin Prime sect remains safe in its hidden fortress, watching and waiting, and breeding still more children.

How far back does it go? Certainly, the Assassins had predecessors who were remarkably similar in both methods and beliefs. Writing in The Assassins, scholar Bernard Lewis notes:

In the early eighth century, the Muslim authors tell us, a man called Abu Mansur al-Ijli, of Kufa, claimed to be the [divinely appointed religious leader of Islam] and taught that the prescriptions of the law had a symbolic meaning and need not be obeyed in their literal sense. ... His followers practiced murder as a religious duty. Similar doctrines -- and practices -- were ascribed to his contemporary and fellow-tribesman Mughira b. Sa'id. Both groups were suppressed by the authorities. ... The parallel they offer to both the antinomianism and the weapon-cult of the later Ismailis is striking.

It's not paranoid or grandiose to assume that there are people who will fight, kill, lie and die for a cause they themselves barely understand. Nineteen terrorists died for such a cause on September 11, in the most visible way possible. The only really difficult question is: Could such a sect have remained secret for 1,000 years or more?

The example of al Qaeda is extremely instructive in this respect. The original Assassin cult lasted for hundreds of years before exhausting its usefulness. These days, the world is much faster, and the life cycle of a terrorist group is much shorter.

The Muslim Brotherhood spawned the core al Qaeda group, which spawned the EIJ cell in New York City. U.S. authorities caught the members of the EIJ cell, but didn't even realize there was such a thing as al Qaeda for nearly five years. Many Americans still haven't heard of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who has been described in Congressional testimony as the "functional leader" of the Muslim Brotherhood, explicitly outlined the seeding process that sustains these interlinked organizations in a manuscript published after September 11.

In a translation quoted by Stephen Coll in Ghost Wars, Zawahiri said "[A] jihadist movement needs an arena that would act like an incubator, where its seeds would grow."

He was speaking of Afghanistan at the time, but both Iraq and Afghanistan fill that role today. While there is a growing realization that al Qaeda is now spreading its own seeds, U.S. policymakers have largely failed to acknowledge that al Qaeda itself is a seed planted by the Brotherhood.

Although America attacked al Qaeda after 2001, the West has taken virtually no action against the Muslim Brotherhood, despite its reach and the influence it exercised over the architects of September 11.

The Brotherhood continues to gain power and influence in Egypt and abroad. But if the West did turn its attention to containing or destroying the Muslim Brotherhood, who can say there isn't another shadowy network beyond that? Even if there isn't a formal group that preceded the Brotherhood, we are already seeing a proliferation of groups that will come after it.

Tracing the steps of this hypothetical sect that invisibly spawns new terrorist groups isn't just an exercise in academic wheel-spinning. It's an important to the question of strategy in the War on Terror.

Recent history shows that by striking hard at al Qaeda, the West may only have shattered it into dozens of shards, each of which holds the potential to grow up and become a full-grown al Qaeda itself.

The current strategy is creating new terrorist groups by the day. That isn't speculation, it's an unfortunate fact.

Who's winning this war?

Perhaps, out there somewhere, the Assassin cult is still marking down names on its centuries-long honor roll, with no end in sight.

What do you think?
AkhPhasa
13-07-2005, 06:19
What do you think?

Off the top of my head, "Oh for heaven's sake..."
Colodia
13-07-2005, 06:21
What do you think?
This excerpt needs a summary. No bloody way in hell is anyone going to read all this. Especially those of us here in the U.S. whose time ranges between 1:21 am - 10:21 p.m.

EDIT: Suppose there is a bloody way in hell then.
JuNii
13-07-2005, 06:21
err.. can you TG the link to me.

I've heard stories and rumors that the Islamic Jihad against the US is much older... far older than most people think.
Kroisistan
13-07-2005, 06:25
I so did a report that grazes this subject. I had to do a report of the Muhajedeen, or Holy Warriors, a blanket term for guerilla fighters for Islam. The furthest back I could trace Muhajedeen-esque tactics and motives was to the Hassassins, a group that would get high on hashish(hence Hassasin) and kill jews and chrisitians within the Caliphate in the name of Islam. Hassassin is the root of the modern word Assassin.

I guess Al Qaeda could be considered a modern incarnation of the Hassassins. I mean they fight in the name of Islam, they believe in a modern Islamic empire(Islamist philosophy, often seen as a return to a Caliphate or some similar theocratic government), they kill covertly, and often target Christians and Jews, the percieved enemies of Islam. I'd say it's fair comparison.

EDIT: Whether Al-Qaeda is an actual decendant of the Hassassins is extremely unlikely however. I mean the Caliphate(s) shifted, and eventually collapsed altogether. That land was snatched up by the local population, by Mongol invaders, and in Spain, by the Castillians and Portugese. More upheaval followed as the Mongol empire in Islamic lands, the Timurids broke apart eventually into Persia and the Mughal Empire, and eventually the Middle east was divided between the Ottoman Empire and the Egyptian empire, and even later the Middle East was divided by the european powers. If the Hassassins could have survived that, we should give the hell up now, because they are not going down simply because the US is leaning on them.
Sino
13-07-2005, 06:25
Are you suggesting story ideas for the next Dan Brown novel?

I would agree that bin Laden and al Queda were inspired by the previous jihads against the crusaders, but links to the assassins? I think we have antoher conspiracy theorist here!
Daistallia 2104
13-07-2005, 06:26
err.. can you TG the link to me.

I've heard stories and rumors that the Islamic Jihad against the US is much older... far older than most people think.

Done.
JuNii
13-07-2005, 06:29
Done.Thanks.

Got something to read besides Harry Potter now.
Daistallia 2104
13-07-2005, 06:46
This excerpt needs a summary. No bloody way in hell is anyone going to read all this. Especially those of us here in the U.S. whose time ranges between 1:21 am - 10:21 p.m.

EDIT: Suppose there is a bloody way in hell then.

How's this:
Al Qaeda is linked to the Hashshashin.
Al Qaeda was spawned by the Muslim brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood got it's start at al-Azhar university in Cairo.
This is the same university that the founders of the original Hashshashin were educated at.
The article posits a secret society, possibly something like the Skull and Bones.
What if there were a core Islamic militant sect, call them the "Assassins Prime," a sect buried in so many layers of misdirection and initiation that only a very few even became aware of its existence?
Al-Azhar university has shifted from being a Shi'ite institution into a Sunni institution and, likewise, the Hashshashin were Shi'ite and al Qaeda are Sunni, but both are ecuminical.
Daistallia 2104
13-07-2005, 06:50
Are you suggesting story ideas for the next Dan Brown novel?

I would agree that bin Laden and al Queda were inspired by the previous jihads against the crusaders, but links to the assassins? I think we have antoher conspiracy theorist here!

:D Not sure if I buy it completely, but it's certainly more plausable than a number of conspiracy theories.
Daistallia 2104
13-07-2005, 06:55
I so did a report that grazes this subject. I had to do a report of the Muhajedeen, or Holy Warriors, a blanket term for guerilla fighters for Islam. The furthest back I could trace Muhajedeen-esque tactics and motives was to the Hassassins, a group that would get high on hashish(hence Hassasin) and kill jews and chrisitians within the Caliphate in the name of Islam. Hassassin is the root of the modern word Assassin.

I guess Al Qaeda could be considered a modern incarnation of the Hassassins. I mean they fight in the name of Islam, they believe in a modern Islamic empire(Islamist philosophy, often seen as a return to a Caliphate or some similar theocratic government), they kill covertly, and often target Christians and Jews, the percieved enemies of Islam. I'd say it's fair comparison.

EDIT: Whether Al-Qaeda is an actual decendant of the Hassassins is extremely unlikely however. I mean the Caliphate(s) shifted, and eventually collapsed altogether. That land was snatched up by the local population, by Mongol invaders, and in Spain, by the Castillians and Portugese. More upheaval followed as the Mongol empire in Islamic lands, the Timurids broke apart eventually into Persia and the Mughal Empire, and eventually the Middle east was divided between the Ottoman Empire and the Egyptian empire, and even later the Middle East was divided by the european powers. If the Hassassins could have survived that, we should give the hell up now, because they are not going down simply because the US is leaning on them.

That last part is actually one of the points of the article. See my summary post above for the reasoning behind the direct connection. Additionaly, the similar nature and history are possibly being ignored, and that's dangerous.
NERVUN
13-07-2005, 06:59
I don't really see it though. The Hassassins, from my understanding, targeted specific people for their attentions. Al-Q goes for random, anyone is a target.

And why now though? If they had been that pissed off with us for so many years, why have we not seen evidence of their actions before hand?

No, I think this is more like Al-Q using the Hassassin legend to boister itself amoung those in Islamic societies, but not a direct link, kind of like those who claim the Illuminati are still around and they are heir to their secrets.

Besides, any source that states the DaVinci Code is real is slightly off kilter IMHO. ;)
Letokia
13-07-2005, 07:06
And people think my CTs are off-kilter :rolleyes:
Daistallia 2104
13-07-2005, 07:35
I don't really see it though. The Hassassins, from my understanding, targeted specific people for their attentions. Al-Q goes for random, anyone is a target.

And why now though? If they had been that pissed off with us for so many years, why have we not seen evidence of their actions before hand?

No, I think this is more like Al-Q using the Hassassin legend to boister itself amoung those in Islamic societies, but not a direct link, kind of like those who claim the Illuminati are still around and they are heir to their secrets.

Besides, any source that states the DaVinci Code is real is slightly off kilter IMHO. ;)

Al Qaeda is pretty specific in targeting the US and the countries that are supporting it. And they didn't start actively targeting it until we were a military threat.

Also, it's highly unlikely that the forbidden site is a propaganda mouthpiece for al Qaeda. An the entry for da Venci starts:
Leonardo da Vinci was an amazing guy. But let's get one thing straight: he didn't have a f***ing code.

That's no slam on da Vinci, of course. He painted some of the most memorable images in history, including "The Last Supper" and the "Mona Lisa." And his science was as impressive as his art. An engineer and architect, da Vinci invented the helicopter 400 years before there was such a thing as a combustion engine.

Many of his inventions are still used today in one form or another, such as the hygrometer, the transmission drive, the ball-bearing axle and the machine gun.

But there was no da Vinci code. Sorry. Get over it.
Gmail
13-07-2005, 07:40
Whether or not it's true, the premise is just as dramatic and perhaps significantly more credible than the premise of The DaVinci Code, just for instance.
Well, it doesn't take much to make that benchmark.
The Holy Womble
13-07-2005, 08:17
No, Al-Qaeda is not connected to the Assassins. Al-Qaeda's ideology is a product of the 19-20 centuryand has nothing to do with the beliefs of the original Assassins/Ismaelites. There are many similarities in the way they operate though, and AL-Qaeda probably consciously models themselves on the Assassins.