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Debaters here in General are dying and new ones come every day? But which ones do you think are promising? Also, feel free to name some veterans.

I like TheEvilMass for debating. Hes quite good at it and I respect that despite some more bitter debates with him.

I would be if I made an effort

Debaters here in General are dying and new ones come every day? But which ones do you think are promising? Also, feel free to name some veterans.
Me.

Me.

Yeah I agree. I also vote me.

I'm probably the worst. My arguments have a bizarre tendency to kill threads. <_<;

I'm probably the worst. My arguments have a bizarre tendency to kill threads. <_<;

....I'm going out...I seriously am :p

Czardas is more intelligent than he portrays himself to be.

Me.

I agree that you are promising. With a couple more years on NS you could probably be a good debater. ;)

Maybe Cat-Tribe and Corneliu.. also Whittier, Marrakech and Keruvalia, I think.

I'm not really sure, though.. that's off the top of my head. Unless a thread is specifically about something that I am into, most of what I do couldn't be considered "debate," so certainly not me. My purpose is usually to judge claims made by whoever the OP is, which are usually a bit screwey. I'm usually just trying to learn something, if I can. The names I listed above are threadstarters who are usually honest or at least geniuine, if that helps. I'm not usually a "debater," although, ask me about gardening or goats or something like that, and we can probably argue! :)

Edit: If I'm the only one who answers seriously, I'm gonna feel like a giant douche.. :p

I'm probably the worst. My arguments have a bizarre tendency to kill threads. <_<;
I know that feeling, but usually it's all in my head.

The Cat-Tribe is damn good at it, as is Melkor.

I am as well, but all the forum posting I've done over the years has really worn me out (so many huge, half-page-long and page-long posts on PC Gamer Online and GameFAQs).

I'm probably the worst. My arguments have a bizarre tendency to kill threads. <_<;
I get that to.
Of course, on occasion, some guy comes in about a week after my post with an 'ultimate comeback' thats a few chapters long and expects me to reply within the hour.
I hate that.

Depublicants … and depending on the topic Personal Responsablility

And Grave_n_idle and Cat tribe

I would be if I made an effort

That the exact same thing with me, also by the time I see any good debates they're either 50 pages long/have decended into a flame fest between Americans and Europeans/have decended into a personal chat between two overly friendly Ns'ers who should really get a room.


...Also the fact that I sulk when people proove me wrong doesn't engender a great debator in me.

Ithink "restrained" should be a factor aswel. So many times i've seen good debaters flamed or trolled and it brings them down to the idiot's level.

I definitely fall in to the "restrained" category. I don't think I've ever flamed, trolled, or even insulted anyone. I tend to stay calm, sometimes too much so. And my posts are always articulate, especially when responding to the poorly written posts by trolls (Jaba Huts, anyone? ;) ).

I definitely fall in to the "restrained" category. I don't think I've ever flamed, trolled, or even insulted anyone. I tend to stay calm, sometimes too much so. And my posts are always articulate, especially when responding to the poorly written posts by trolls (Jaba Huts, anyone? ;) ).
Almost 9 k and not one even informal mention by a mod :)

I'm utter crap at debates, but I don't care one way or another, even at the best of times.

*walks off grumbling about pigeons and the retention of capital*

So there!

especially when responding to the poorly written posts by trolls (Jaba Huts, anyone? ;) ).

did you see him yesterday ? worse than ever. What gave him away was his use of "bomber men" :D

Almost 9 k and not one even informal mention by a mod :)

a record certainly worth keeping. I haven't had any warning of any sorts but my p count is a lot lower

did you see him yesterday ? worse than ever. What gave him away was his use of "bomber men" :D

I shut him down in moderation. He didn't come back after I told him he wasn't appreciated or sympathized with.

Great job recognizing his new incarnation, by the way. :cool:

Almost 9 k and not one even informal mention by a mod

I'm about 1/5 of the way to your level, so here's hoping to staying unnoticed.

a record certainly worth keeping. I haven't had any warning of any sorts but my p count is a lot lower
I have been close lately with a few obstinate posters but luckily I was at work and had to do other things

Potaria is a good debater and I'm going to name some vets.
Keruvalia
Alien Born
Vittos Ordination
Melkor
etc.
I haven't read any debates by any newcomers, so sorry if I left anyone out.

New to the forum... so I have not looked around enough or been around long enough to state categorically but from my limited knowledge Cat in the tribe is one of the better debaters. Even when I disagree with some of his points they are well presented and sourced.

I shut him down in moderation. He didn't come back after I told him he wasn't appreciated or sympathized with.

Great job recognizing his new incarnation, by the way. :cool:



I'm about 1/5 of the way to your level, so here's hoping to staying unnoticed.
What scares me is no social threads at all ... all debate (well maybe poping in to say hi but not a social thread type of guy)

a record certainly worth keeping. I haven't had any warning of any sorts but my p count is a lot lower

Well I haven't had any warnings either, so there! Hah!

*Warned for trolling*

****! ><;

*Warned for flaming Moderators*

Mother f...

*Banned*

;_;

EDIT: And, ironically, I probably am going to get warned for spamming here. Hooray for Irony! ^_^

Vittos Ordination

Thank you (although I am wrong far too often to be a good debater), you are not bad yourself.

By the way, are you starting to subscribe to socialist thought?

I definitely fall in to the "restrained" category. I don't think I've ever flamed, trolled, or even insulted anyone. I tend to stay calm, sometimes too much so. And my posts are always articulate, especially when responding to the poorly written posts by trolls (Jaba Huts, anyone? ;) ).
I need to take "Vetalia lessons!" LOL! :D

I need to take "Vetalia lessons!" LOL! :D
welcome back sir Eutrusca

I shut him down in moderation.

Great job recognizing his new incarnation, by the way. :cool:


Thanks.

You did him a huge favour convincing him to stop. Nice one

Thanks.

You did him a huge favour convincing him to stop. Nice one

Thanks. :cool: I've started trying to help out in moderation.

Dempublicents, UpwardThrust, Cat-Tribe, Keruvalia, Alien Born, Dobbsworld, Sinuhue, Stephistan, Bottle

thats all I can think of right now

Dempublicents, UpwardThrust, Cat-Tribe, Keruvalia, Alien Born, Dobbsworld, Sinuhue

thats all I can think of right now
Thank you kind sir(or ma`am just incase my mind deceves me) … and with that I am off for the day

welcome back sir Eutrusca
Thank you. I managed to conquer the withdrawal symptoms, even though it took me most of the two weeks. ;)

Cat-Tribe, though I rarely if ever agree with him, does know his onions and his sources.

But yeah, nobody competes with Aldranin. I'm like Aldranin's personal fanclub right here.

Not that he cares. =D

Thank you kind sir(or ma`am just incase my mind deceves me) … and with that I am off for the day

I'm not even sure of the answer :P

okay I have a penis but after all the debates in NS about gender roles and such I am confused.

Thank you (although I am wrong far too often to be a good debater), you are not bad yourself.

By the way, are you starting to subscribe to socialist thought?
I tried debating in the early months, but stopped soon after.

I'm wouldn't say socialist, but more moderate I suppose. (Don't get any ideas potaria)

I'm not even sure of the answer :P

okay I have a penis but after all the debates in NS about gender roles and such I am confused.

It's not the hardware, it's the OS.

It's not the hardware, it's the OS.

then I'm a s/he with a penis and I top my bottom but sometimes we flip

Cat-Tribes. We don't always agree but OCD is a good trait for a debater and a lawyer to have.

Sinuhue. I think she brings up a look of good issues worth discussing and though I don't always agree with her, I like the way she looks at things.

Sorry, that's all I can think of off the top of my head. In my defense, I'm fairly tired. I'll likely think of more later.

then I'm a s/he with a penis and I top my bottom but sometimes we flip

Quelle delicatesse!

Now, bend over, boyfriend...

A lot of it depends on the topic matter. Consistantly, I have enjoyed Cat-Tribe and Dempublicents, though if you want to break it down to topic, my answers hit a broader range.

Women's Issues: Sinuhue
Politics: Whispering Legs and/or Corneliu (though I almost never agree with them ;) )
Religion: Tough call ... get back to me.
Gay Rights: Fass and Neo Anarchists

And so on ...

Break it down into subjects and it changes. Of course, we can't forget Jesussaves. He rocked no matter how you slice it.

Quelle delicatesse!

Now, bend over, boyfriend...


.(_)_) do me now!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I've been gone so long and most of the new people don't know me. I guess I'll have to start getting back in the political debates again.

Oh and Eutrusca, has it been two weeks already? How times flies..lol Welcome back! ;)

Well, I've been gone so long and most of the new people don't know me. I guess I'll have to start getting back in the political debates again.


Yeah ... you and Zep were definately very good when it came to the political debates. But you were away so long. Jump back in! We've missed strong liberal voices around here.

It's not the hardware, it's the OS.

Get back to me on that one when you work out a way to make Windows 98 run on a Sinclair Spectrum.

Yeah ... you and Zep were definately very good when it came to the political debates. But you were away so long. Jump back in! We've missed strong liberal voices around here.

Why thank you my dear, as I recall you're no slouch either. I look forward to getting back in the thick of it. :)

Debaters here in General are dying and new ones come every day? But which ones do you think are promising? Also, feel free to name some veterans.
i think vetalia is a good debater. i don't concede in debates much, but last one i was in vetalia proved to me why what i believed was wronge.

Seeing as I only debate Israel, here are my favourite pro and against debaters:

Pro:
The Holy Womble
QahJoh (sadly left :()

Anti:
The lovely Stephistan;)
The just as lovely Greenmanbry :p

Also, feel free to name some veterans.

Bottle & Lacadaemon: neither are people to be tangled with lightly.

I know who you are Stephistan. And Ive only really been visiting regularly since mid-june.

The Holy Womble and Constantonopolis are master debators* that have recently come to my attention.

*no puns, you bastards!

I need to take "Vetalia lessons!" LOL! :D
Howdy Cap'n! Back from HQ mandated R&R in Tokyo I see. :p

I'm not so much a debater as a researcher who supports his arguements with data. So far people don't seem to take that well.

The Holy Womble and Constantonopolis are master debators* that have recently come to my attention.

*no puns, you bastards!

The holy womble probably hates me/thinks Im an idiot now, because I completely missunderstood his thread (It was my fault, I didnt have time/couldnt be arsed to read the entire post) about Europeans fooling into future strikes or soemthing like that.

Howdy Cap'n! Back from HQ mandated R&R in Tokyo I see. :p

I'm not so much a debater as a researcher who supports his arguements with data. So far people don't seem to take that well.
Yeah. They told me I would have to either use it or lose it, or something like that. :D

Please don't confuse people with the facts. Most of them have their minds already made up. ;)

this is my list off the top of my head, I'm sure I'll think of some latter:

Czardas

Keruvalia

Cat-Tribe

Sinuhue

Sino

Neo Anarchists


I've been hoping someone would name me as an interesting up-and-commer with perspective.....but no....because I am a gluton for attention :(


Also, good to see you back, Eutrusca. :)

I'd like to add Fass, if you're in a debate with him, be careful or you'll make an ass of yourself.

I'm not even sure of the answer :P

okay I have a penis but after all the debates in NS about gender roles and such I am confused.
Lol sir then :fluffle: unless you choose differently lol

Lol sir then :fluffle: unless you choose differently lol

I'll give you the option to call me what you want. :fluffle:

Well, I've been gone so long and most of the new people don't know me. I guess I'll have to start getting back in the political debates again.

Oh and Eutrusca, has it been two weeks already? How times flies..lol Welcome back! ;)
Yay! The researchers are back!!! Making me do my own research by leaving like that...sniffle...I'm still up for Canadian adoption, even though I'm a year older than you two...(I wanted to do this in the welcome back thread, but...)

If people mention Corneliu, then Canuck Haven gets my vote.

Although I haven't seen them in a while, I always had the utmost respect for Montirmail and Invendentia (sp?). Both were top-notch debaters who were also both far more honorable than I am in sparring.

Nowadays, I usually find The Cat Tribe's posts to be the best, although I also have a great deal of respect for Deleuze's posts as well.

I have to give an honourable mentions to
White Hats,
Deleuze,
Melkor Unchained (if a little heavy handed at times)
Ariddia
Sinuhue
Willamena (Sometimes way out in left field, but fun)
The Cat-Tribe
Dempublicents (1)
Afghrenistan (sp?) with whom I had a long libertarian vs socialist debate that did not result in flaming or ad hominems.

Yeah I cant forget willimina I TOTALY respect her for her absolutly origional (to the forum) point of view

Keep it up hun you add flavor to the mix!

I'm going to mention Eutrusca as a good one so that this entire post isn't negative. I really want to hop on here and point out some people that I find mention of to be questionable.

Fass acts like he knows what he's talking about, but he ends up being proved incorrect far too often. I would say most of his respect comes from his ability to bullshit, not a sharp wit.

The Cat-Tribe's skilled at looking up the testimonies of others, but I often get the feeling that he does so because he can't explain his arguments on his own. I think he's good at making people think he knows what he's talking about.

Corneliu finds it necessary to cite his minimal credentials far too often. The points he makes are normally either reworded points that have already been made in that same thread or moot. I think he cites said credentials to compensate for his actual lack of ability.

Deleuze makes good points, but they are normally irrelevant to the debate or repeats. Maybe the repeats are just coincidence, but coupled with the irrelevance of his more original posts, I doubt it.

Aldranin is so much of a self-absorbed, obnoxious prick that only people who have agreed with him on previous points will be swayed by future arguments made against their cases. He does appreciate any endorsements he gets, however.

I'm going to mention Eutrusca as a good one so that this entire post isn't negative. I really want to hop on here and point out some people that I find mention of to be questionable.

Fass Comes out and sticks to his guns ... usually fairly consistent in his arguments

The Cat-Tribe'Absolutely knows the legal field ... he sites relevant and powerful sources usually. His claims are backed up with fact but that tends to scare people away from the argument, finding contrary respectable sources are hard for others

Corneliu Tends to have some off the wall ideas sometimes and under represents but knows how he feels about things

Deleuze Tends to go off a bit from topic but usually fun to read through

Aldranin is so much of a self-absorbed, obnoxious prick that only people who have agreed with him on previous points will be swayed by future arguments made against their cases. He does appreciate any endorsements he gets, however.

And this is how I see them :p

I'm going to mention Eutrusca as a good one so that this entire post isn't negative. I really want to hop on here and point out some people that I find mention of to be questionable.

Fass Comes out and sticks to his guns ... usually fairly consistent in his arguments.

The Cat-Tribe'Absolutely knows the legal field ... he cites relevant and powerful sources usually. His claims are backed up with fact but that tends to scare people away from the argument, finding contrary respectable sources are hard for others.

Corneliu Tends to have some off the wall ideas sometimes and under represents but knows how he feels about things.

Deleuze Tends to go off a bit from topic but usually fun to read through.

Aldranin is so much of a self-absorbed, obnoxious prick that only people who have agreed with him on previous points will be swayed by future arguments made against their cases. He does appreciate any endorsements he gets, however.

And this is how I see them. :p

UpwardThrust lacks the originality, composure, eloquence, vocabulary and general knowledge of periods necessary to become Aldranin, but tries nonetheless, which I find annoying. He also doesn't curse enough.

Oh, I almost forgot the petty smily: :p

I'm going to mention Eutrusca as a good one so that this entire post isn't negative. I really want to hop on here and point out some people that I find mention of to be questionable.

Fass acts like he knows what he's talking about, but he ends up being proved incorrect far too often. I would say most of his respect comes from his ability to bullshit, not a sharp wit.

The Cat-Tribe's skilled at looking up the testimonies of others, but I often get the feeling that he does so because he can't explain his arguments on his own. I think he's good at making people think he knows what he's talking about.

Corneliu finds it necessary to cite his minimal credentials far too often. The points he makes are normally either reworded points that have already been made in that same thread or moot. I think he cites said credentials to compensate for his actual lack of ability.

Deleuze makes good points, but they are normally irrelevant to the debate or repeats. Maybe the repeats are just coincidence, but coupled with the irrelevance of his more original posts, I doubt it.

Aldranin is so much of a self-absorbed, obnoxious prick that only people who have agreed with him on previous points will be swayed by future arguments made against their cases. He does appreciate any endorsements he gets, however.


Actually I believe you have a devotee who wrote about you on a page previous.

Actually I believe you have a devotee who wrote about you on a page previous.

I noticed, which is why I noted my thanks.

Aldranin is so much of a self-absorbed, obnoxious prick that only people who have agreed with him on previous points will be swayed by future arguments made against their cases. He does appreciate any endorsements he gets, however.

But, more directly: thanks for the support, Begark.

UpwardThrust lacks the originality, composure, eloquence, vocabulary and general knowledge of periods necessary to become Aldranin, but tries nonetheless, which I find annoying. He also doesn't curse enough.

Oh, I almost forgot the petty smily: :p
Hey don't turn this into a personal attack .
I am sorry for my one word mistake Microsoft word auto corrected it without me seeing.
But even so all I did was give my critique in face of your deriding them as posters rather then really coming up with any of your own nominees for strong posters.

And you come back with an auto correct error and a personal attack ... good form :rolleyes:

Hey don't turn this into a personal attack
I am sorry for my one word mistake Microsoft word auto corrected it without me seeing
But even so all I did was give my critique in face of your deriding them as posters rather then really coming up with any of your own,

And you come back with an auto correct error and a personal attack ... good form :rolleyes:

Wow. You (poorly) mock my post and I swing right back at you, and you say that I am turning it into a personal attack? Good form. I was just pointing out major flaws in their respective styles of debate that make me lean toward not including them in a list of the most skilled, honored and respected debaters. I included myself, because I am too obnoxious to be great.

Wow. You (poorly) mock my post and I swing right back at you, and you say that I am turning it into a personal attack? Good form. I was just pointing out major flaws in their respective styles of debate that make me lean toward not including them in a list of the most skilled, honored and respected debaters. I included myself, because I am too obnoxious to be great.
I did not mock I took what you gave me and then filled in what I see in each of them.

There is a difference.

Wow. Only in the general will you see a post about who are the better debaters turn into a debate. :D

I did not mock I took what you gave me and then filled in what I see in each of them.

There is a difference.

You use the exact format that I used to make up completely contrary descriptions of people and then leave the description I wrote for myself, but that's not mocking? Okay.

Now's a proper time for a smily: :headbang:

Wow. Only in the general will you see a post about who are the better debaters turn into a debate. :D

Hell yes.

Let's take this thread up a notch, shall we?
Nominate a poster for the following, if you want:
Most Respected
Most Honorable
Most Reasonable
Most Skillful

You use the exact format that I used to make up completely contrary descriptions of people and then leave the description I wrote for myself, but that's not mocking? Okay.

Now's a proper time for a smily: :headbang:
Not all of them were completely contradictory ... read again some of them I just worded more in the light that I saw .
Such as
Deleuze and Corneliu

But anyways I was not going for mocking I guess we just got mixed up with the not so personal medium that the Internet seems to be sometimes.

No. just no.

Taking it up a notch:

Most Respected - Whispering Legs or Syniks or Fass or Neo Anarchists or Stephistan or Eutrusca or Colodia or Roshni or Myself (yeah, I respect me) and so on and so on and so on.
Most Honorable - Sinuhue
Most Reasonable - Dempublicents
Most Skillfull - Cat-Tribe


BAM!

Most Respected - Eutrusca
Most Honorable - Sinuhue
Most Reasonable - The Cat-Tribe
Most Skillfull - Whispering Legs

I'm too new to make anyone's list aren't I?

Most Respected - Probably Cat-Tribe, though I am annoyed that he holds that position, what with all the truly decent debaters on this site. That's assuming you are referring to global respect, not individual respect.
Most Honorable - Honorable? What the hell are we, warriors of ancient lore? Honor has no place in debate, undercutting your opponent's credibility is half the fun.
Most Reasonable - I'm not sure anyone here is truly reasonable, unless you mean logical, and then I'd most definately say someone else but actually mean Aldranin.
Most Skillful - Eutrusca, but only because I don't want to write Aldranin. ;)


BAM!

I'm too new to make anyone's list aren't I?

I would have thought the same of myself, but I was apparently wrong.

I’m submitting a new category…

Most conceited – Aldranin

I mean really, for the sake of variety. :D

I’m submitting a new category…
How about we come up with a category for everyone!
Hmmm...what would mine be...?

I’m submitting a new category…

Most conceited – Aldranin

I mean really, for the sake of variety. :D

That's fair, I suppose.

While we're submitting new categories, I'm going to add Most Overrated, and grant The Cat-Tribe first place. What's the reward for Most Overrated, you ask? I take away one of the cookies you've received. Congratulations.

How about we come up with a category for everyone!
Hmmm...what would mine be...?

I think I have Most Civil down, or perhaps Most Underrated?

How about we come up with a category for everyone!
Hmmm...what would mine be...?

I don't know but for some reason I am reminded of Flame Warriors. (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/) :D

I vote for myself as Most Irrelavent.

I don't know but for some reason I am reminded of Flame Warriors. (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/) :D

Wow, it's me:

Capitalista is not always a wealthy fat cat; being a Capitalista is a state of mind rather than a reflection of affluence. A strident and extraordinarily self–satisfied Warrior, Capitalista takes every opportunity to extol the superiority of the free enterprise system and has a powerful aversion to the welfare states of Europe. Capitalista fiercely defends the market economy, bludgeoning “fuzzy-minded socialists” with Adam Smith, Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek. Though rather limited in his range of interests, Capitalista’s command of carefully selected historical facts, abstruse statistical comparisons and arcane economic theory make him a formidable foe.

Wow, it's me:

If that's true, then you'll just love the point by point I gave you in the social conservatives v. economic conservatives thread.

I think I have Most Civil down, or perhaps Most Underrated?

Someone who honestly nominates themselves for a position like Most Underrated probably isn't the most underrated.

I think I have Most Civil down, or perhaps Most Underrated?
Well that's nice! Thank you very much. :)

EDIT: That's assuming you meant me and not yourself...

Someone who honestly nominates themselves for a position like Most Underrated probably isn't the most underrated.

Well, that opens even more categories, like Most Subtle Humor.

Well that's nice! Thank you very much.

Well, I thank you most heartily and graciously my good Leonstein. :)
(Top that!)

EDIT: That's assuming you meant me and not yourself...

Ahh, but by nominating you for the position rather than myself, would that not mean I am the most civil towards fellow posters?

Perhaps Most Articulate is also in order?

Well too new... or at least have not spent enough time on the boad to give everyone a category lol...I don't even truly know if Aldranin is the most conceited. Leonstein from my limited knowledge of your postings I would say honest and shows intelligence... hopefully I am not to far off. Eutrusa shows wisdom, begark...firey zeal, cat-tribe orderliness, Sinuhue - genuineness, Dempuliscent - intelligent courtesy, Gattaway-kindness, Marrakech- adventure, sum...arghh cant spell your name..- humour, Pure metal - Pure fun and not easily ruffled, bahamamma- friendliness ect ect.

Now... lol just don't prove me wrong.

Well that's nice! Thank you very much. :)

EDIT: That's assuming you meant me and not yourself...

If Leonstein is getting rewarded as the most underrated, he's obviously a lot more overrated than I though. Cat-Tribe, watch your ass.

Well too new... or at least have not spent enough time on the boad to give everyone a category lol...I don't even truly know if Aldranin is the most conceited. Leonstein from my limited knowledge of your postings I would say honest and shows intelligence... hopefully I am not to far off. Eutrusa shows wisdom, begark...firey zeal, cat-tribe orderliness, Sinuhue - genuineness, Dempuliscent - intelligent courtesy, Gattaway-kindness, Marrakech- adventure, sum...arghh cant spell your name..- humour, Pure metal - Pure fun and not easily ruffled, bahamamma- friendliness ect ect.

Now... lol just don't prove me wrong.
Anyone else find that massively ironic, not to mention hilarious?

Leonstein from my limited knowledge of your postings I would say honest and shows intelligence... hopefully I am not to far off.
Oh, you are way off there... :D

Ahh, but by nominating you for the position rather than myself, would that not mean I am the most civil towards fellow posters?
I guess it does...
I nominate Vetalia for "The most civil towards fellow posters"-trophy!

Anyone else find that massively ironic, not to mention hilarious?

Ah.... please enlighten? As far as the list it stands. In the few dealings I had with these people that is how they have acted. It is up to them to change my mind regarding the list.

Leonstein :) duly noted.

Ah.... please enlighten? As far as the list it stands. In the few dealings I had with these people that is how they have acted. It is up to them to change my mind regarding the list.

Leonstein :) duly noted.

You spelled all of the red names incorrectly, then apologized for one specific name later on.

Jesus saves



Seriously
Bottle

But, more directly: thanks for the support, Begark.

He does care. I... don't know how to feel. xD

Thanks, The boldly courageous. Firery zeal I can live with. xD

That's fair, I suppose.

While we're submitting new categories, I'm going to add Most Overrated, and grant The Cat-Tribe first place. What's the reward for Most Overrated, you ask? I take away one of the cookies you've received. Congratulations.

I appreciate the accolades I have received from some in these threads, but I generally could care less.

Aldranin, I'm not sure if you are someone's puppet or you are truly new to these forums.

If the former, I think using a puppet in order to be obnoxious is rather cowardly. If the latter, I think we have tangled in exactly 1 thread.

Regardless, I find your need to go out of the way to attack other posters, particularly me, rather amusing. To be honest, you don't register on my radar. Although I remember being vaguely annoyed and your taking the positions that crude, overbearing statements in favor of outrageous positions constitute debating, while any reference to facts, statistics, or sources was weakness.

I certainly don't care about your opinion of me -- except it strikes me as a mild badge of honor.

Yay! I managed to get myself mentioned one of these things. Partly a backhanded compliment, but I'll take it nonetheless.

what we need is a thread for all of the folk mentioned here, so we can just watch the master debating and be entertained.

I guess I'm too new for a catigory. I thought I distinguished myself on some of the religion threads.... at least early on.

I appreciate the accolades I have received from some in these threads, but I generally could care less.

Aldranin, I'm not sure if you are someone's puppet or you are truly new to these forums.

If the former, I think using a puppet in order to be obnoxious is rather cowardly. If the latter, I think we have tangled in exactly 1 thread.

I'm not a puppet, but my old name was incorrectly deleted, and when I bitched about it to the moderators they ignored me. I've debated with you on at least five or six topics. Not hiding, this is the only name I post as now. Also, I've read many threads you've debated in, I just haven't gotten into them.

Regardless, I find your need to go out of the way to attack other posters, particularly me, rather amusing. To be honest, you don't register on my radar. Although I remember being vaguely annoyed and your taking the positions that crude, overbearing statements in favor of outrageous positions constitute debating, while any reference to facts, statistics, or sources was weakness.

I have no problem with facts, statistics other than polls, and relevant sources. In the one debate you are aware of that you engaged me in, your sources were laughably petty and irrelevant.

SBMM has gotten some kudos in the past, but he got deleted.

Well, technically, I'm Stop Banning Me Mods, so I'll nominate myself not to be conceited, but just to see what people think of me.

He does care. I... don't know how to feel. xD

Thanks, The boldly courageous. Firery zeal I can live with. xD

Like I said, I only don't care about specific things.

laughably petty and irrelevant.
Pot/kettle? If you don't get it, I'm referring to your post.

Well too new... or at least have not spent enough time on the boad to give everyone a category lol...I don't even truly know if Aldranin is the most conceited. Leonstein from my limited knowledge of your postings I would say honest and shows intelligence... hopefully I am not to far off. Eutrusa shows wisdom, begark...firey zeal, cat-tribe orderliness, Sinuhue - genuineness, Dempuliscent - intelligent courtesy, Gattaway-kindness, Marrakech- adventure, sum...arghh cant spell your name..- humour, Pure metal - Pure fun and not easily ruffled, bahamamma- friendliness ect ect.

Now... lol just don't prove me wrong.


Am I the guy whos name you can't spell? :eek:

Holy crap, I leave for a bit and this thread turns into a semi-war...who's winning?

This was a long, angry rant before the edit. It can be summarized thusly:

I think Aldranin was being unfair, and if someone wants to check my post history to verify this, I'm confident they'll end up agreeing with me. However, the complimentary part of his/her post did make me happy. So Aldranin, when you criticize me, give me evidence - or at least tg it to me. But please, don't irrationally attack me in a forum that's supposed to be a big hug for everyone, not a petty spat. Thanks.

This was a long, angry rant before the edit. It can be summarized thusly:

I think Aldranin was being unfair, and if someone wants to check my post history to verify this, I'm confident they'll end up agreeing with me. However, the complimentary part of his/her post did make me happy. So Aldranin, when you criticize me, give me evidence - or at least tg it to me. But please, don't irrationally attack me in a forum that's supposed to be a big hug for everyone, not a petty spat. Thanks.
I'll vouch for Deleuze, he's generally pretty 'with it,' as far as I can tell and since I've been one of his cheif debating opponents as of late, I think I'm in a pretty good position to know. I don't think I've ever seen him get off topic; in fact he's one of the few people that actually understands the entirety of my rants; he's the only one I've been able to get really philosophical with so far.

Still, everyones' collective lack of faith disturbs me. I'm not mentioned nearly enough!

I'll vouch for Deleuze, he's generally pretty 'with it,' as far as I can tell and since I've been one of his cheif debating opponents as of late, I think I'm in a pretty good position to know. I don't think I've ever seen him get off topic; in fact he's one of the few people that actually understands the entirety of my rants; he's the only one I've been able to get really philosophical with so far.

Still, everyones' collective lack of faith disturbs me. I'm not mentioned nearly enough!
Thanks Melkor :D!

I thought everyone assumed you'd be on the list, so that's why I didn't mention you. But on that topic:

Before I started talking to Melkor, Objectivism to me was synonymous with joke with me and some of my friends. But he's really gotten me to take it seriously and see that there's a significant degree of intellectual rigor and strength in the idea, no small feat with someone as obstinate as me. He's also one of the best writers on this forum, and one of the few who can cleverly use invective to further a point.

...and one of the few who can cleverly use invective to further a point.
Hell yes! Thanks, I take great pride in that ability.

That's fair, I suppose.

While we're submitting new categories, I'm going to add Most Overrated, and grant The Cat-Tribe first place. What's the reward for Most Overrated, you ask? I take away one of the cookies you've received. Congratulations.
Why do you go out of your way to attack others ... you came in and started a fight and then when people get a bit ticked you still try to nail cat-tribe or ad-hominim the posters that disagree with your viewpoint

Well too new... or at least have not spent enough time on the boad to give everyone a category lol...I don't even truly know if Aldranin is the most conceited. Leonstein from my limited knowledge of your postings I would say honest and shows intelligence... hopefully I am not to far off. Eutrusa shows wisdom, begark...firey zeal, cat-tribe orderliness, Sinuhue - genuineness, Dempuliscent - intelligent courtesy, Gattaway-kindness, Marrakech- adventure, sum...arghh cant spell your name..- humour, Pure metal - Pure fun and not easily ruffled, bahamamma- friendliness ect ect.

Now... lol just don't prove me wrong.

Thanks man,your the first person ever to mention me on these sort of threads. Cheers

I wish I was. I'm mostly too timid to say anything, I just read.

Wow, just under a years worth of debating, yet I'm still as invisible as I was when I joined :rolleyes:
Anyway, on to my nominations....

Most Respected: Cat Tribe
Most Honorable: Not sure what is meant here.
Most Reasonable: Bodies without Organs
Most Skillful: Stephistan and Greenmanbry share this one

Honourable mentions go to Deleuze, The Holy Womble, QahJoh, and the person I undoubtedly forgot.

Fass acts like he knows what he's talking about, but he ends up being proved incorrect far too often. I would say most of his respect comes from his ability to bullshit, not a sharp wit.

Aww, that's just bitter enough to be cute! Wanna hug?

...Honourable mentions go to Deleuze, The Holy Womble, QahJoh, and the person I undoubtedly forgot.
Conspiracies!!! :eek:

There are so many good debaters, and quite a lot of clowns, but I nominate Leonstein, as he is omnipersant, and starts intelligent debates as well as contributes to them.

-snip-
I am? I do?
Thank you!

I certainly don't care about your opinion of me -- except it strikes me as a mild badge of honor.

My feeling on this is, I have always thought what other people think of me is really quite frankly none of my business. (If that made sense to you) It certainly will not change anything I say or do. It will impact my life less than zero and I shall sleep as well as I do every night.

I don't really know you Cat-Tribe, but I have read quite a few of your posts and in your style you remind me a little of my husband in your research (when he was Zeppistan) So that IS a compliment.

I wouldn't worry about what "others" think. People like to see people fail and hate to see a winner, especially if they're not one. At least this has been my experience. ;)

Me.Hands down. Although Alien Born is also good.

Gosh, I'm so bored that this is one of the only threads that seems of any interest...
Aldranin would be a much better debater if he stopped attacking people at a personal level. He shows promise, but he needs work...

My feeling on this is, I have always thought what other people think of me is really quite frankly none of my business. (If that made sense to you) It certainly will not change anything I say or do. It will impact my life less than zero and I shall sleep as well as I do every night.

I don't really know you Cat-Tribe, but I have read quite a few of your posts and in your style you remind me a little of my husband in your research (when he was Zeppistan) So that IS a compliment.

I wouldn't worry about what "others" think. People like to see people fail and hate to see a winner, especially if they're not one. At least this has been my experience. ;)
Yeah he has come to fill some of that role … he always seems to have some good amount of research behind what he talks about
We may not always agree but I got to respect the amount of work and thought usually goes into his posts

Depublicants … and depending on the topic Personal Responsablility

And Grave_n_idle and Cat tribe

I second that and add you to the mix UT. Also, Vittos Ordination and Sinhue.

I'm utter crap at debates, but I don't care one way or another, even at the best of times.

*walks off grumbling about pigeons and the retention of capital*

So there!

I think youre good .... but then im quite new so no one cares..

Gosh, I'm so bored that this is one of the only threads that seems of any interest...
Aldranin would be a much better debater if he stopped attacking people at a personal level. He shows promise, but he needs work...

Hahaha, thanks for the backhanded compliment. "He's too much of a dick to be good, but if he could get past that, he'd be sweet." Besides, haven't you seen Team America? The world needs dicks like me. By the way, I would like to point out that when I jumped on this thread and shit hit the fan, all I did was bash his style. No personal attacks were made until that petty Thrust got involved.

By the way, I am not a dick of a debater in the real world, and when I first came here I wasn't much of a dick at all. Then I debated in the U.N. for a couple weeks, and I gave up on the majority of people here. Blame the U.N. for my obnoxious nature on this site.

Oh, and you people defending Cat-Tribe from the evil Aldranin are right. Aldranin's an idiot... Cat's opinions just make so much sense - they are so beautifully constructed, it's really incredible. I love how much sense his latest thread makes, particularly.

Dempublicents1, UpwardThrust, Cabra West, Cat-Tribe, Sinuhue, Jocabia, The Similized world and Dobbsworld.

These have my respect and seem like good people too.

Hahaha, thanks for the backhanded compliment. "He's too much of a dick to be good, but if he could get past that, he'd be sweet." Besides, haven't you seen Team America? The world needs dicks like me. By the way, I would like to point out that when I jumped on this thread and shit hit the fan, all I did was bash his style. No personal attacks were made until that petty Thrust got involved.
Oh, come on, you can do better than to quote a movie that doesn't know whom to attack (though it did a pretty entertaining job at that). In my opinion, personal attacks, such as linguistic skills, don't do any real good in a debate. There's little way for me to prove I speak fluent English.
You're not a dick, you just need to fight less dirty.

Aldranin would be a much better debater if he stopped attacking people at a personal level. He shows promise, but he needs work...
But that's part of his charm.

More of my picks:
Eutrusca
Gateway Drivers

But that's part of his charm.

Thanks for the support, Kervoskia, but I can't help the following. My alternate personality kicked my ass and made me write it.

Of course! My charm, which incessantly laps the very shores of all that is perfect. By the way, if anyone else finds me charming, I fished an ice cube out of Phlegethon yesterday, which I am selling for only twenty dollars. Twenty dollars! Limited time offer.

Oh, come on, you can do better than to quote a movie that doesn't know whom to attack (though it did a pretty entertaining job at that). In my opinion, personal attacks, such as linguistic skills, don't do any real good in a debate. There's little way for me to prove I speak fluent English.
You're not a dick, you just need to fight less dirty.

Team America knew exactly who to attack: the others. Plus, it kicked major ass.

Twenty dollars! Limited time offer.MY offer is $15.75

But that's part of his charm.

More of my picks:
Eutrusca
Gateway Drivers

thanks man its really appreciated

Team America knew exactly who to attack: the others. Plus, it kicked major ass.
Team America dished out insults to all fields of the political spectrum. If that's what you mean with others, then I agree. And yes, it kicked major ass. :D

Oh, and you people defending Cat-Tribe from the evil Aldranin are right. Aldranin's an idiot... Cat's opinions just make so much sense - they are so beautifully constructed, it's really incredible. I love how much sense his latest thread makes, particularly.

Maybe it says something that Cat-Tribe is almost universally respected while no one even knows who the fuck you are.

Am I the guy whos name you can't spell? :eek:
Yes I was referring to you...and it also appears I can't spell anyone elses name either... lol... effort and spell check... next to do on my "to do" list.

Maybe it says something that Cat-Tribe is almost universally respected while no one even knows who the fuck you are.
On an off-topic note, what are the choices for your name's pronounciation?

Yes I was referring to you...and it also appears I can't spell anyone elses name either... lol... effort and spell check... next to do on my "to do" list.

Thank you for mentioning me earlier, I said it earlier in the thread but you don't wanna go though it. You are the first person to mention me i this sort of thread. Cheers

Maybe it says something that Cat-Tribe is almost universally respected while no one even knows who the fuck you are.

Yes, it does... that Cat-Tribe has been around for much longer. The entirety of my posts, counting my old name that the moderators screwed up and deleted, is less than a thousand, and under my current name I've only made 330 posts or so, thus people shouldn't know me, though I appreciate the small following that I've already acquired with my new series.

That, and people on this site are much more likely to agree with Cat-Tribe due to the views of the vast majority on NationStates, thus he subconsciously seems to make more sense.

Thanks man,your the first person ever to mention me on these sort of threads. Cheers
Cheers :)

Maybe it says something that Cat-Tribe is almost universally respected while no one even knows who the fuck you are.

Mainly because Cat is a Vet debater. and Aldarnin just seems to have a chip on their shoulder

On an off-topic note, what are the choices for your name's pronounciation?

I don't know. I stopped paying attention to that thread. If someone else wanted to run the poll, they can have at it, but I'm not conceited enough to make a poll about me.

Yes, it does... that Cat-Tribe has been around for much longer. The entirety of my posts, counting my old name that the moderators screwed up and deleted, is less than a thousand, and under my current name I've only made 330 posts or so, thus people shouldn't know me, though I appreciate the small following that I've already acquired with my new series.
What was your old name?

He does care. I... don't know how to feel. xD

Thanks, The boldly courageous. Firery zeal I can live with. xD

It is a very good trait to live with.

Mainly because Cat is a Vet debater. and Aldarnin just seems to have a chip on their shoulder

Gataway I must of started a trend because I am not the only one that mentioned you in this thread. Never mind I see you already noticed.

What was your old name?

For the sake of being immaturely defensive, as well as curious, why?

Gataway I must of started a trend because I am not the only one that mentioned you in this thread. Never mind I see you already noticed.

No my mentions got doubled. Believe me I'm supprised that I got a mention. Considering the people that have been mentioned, I'm really happy. :)

Its made my day at least

For the sake of being immaturely defensive, as well as curious, why?
Same reason, I'm curios too. Other than that, why not? What have you got to lose?

Yes, it does... that Cat-Tribe has been around for much longer. The entirety of my posts, counting my old name that the moderators screwed up and deleted, is less than a thousand, and under my current name I've only made 330 posts or so, thus people shouldn't know me, though I appreciate the small following that I've already acquired with my new series.

That, and people on this site are much more likely to agree with Cat-Tribe due to the views of the vast majority on NationStates, thus he subconsciously seems to make more sense.
That or he really does do a good job at making a cohesive statements backed with a fair amount of evidence (on average anyways) … I don’t always agree with what he has to say but I have to give credit where credit is due.

Same reason, I'm curios too. Other than that, why not? What have you got to lose?

Good point, and well made. But I'd like to keep that to myself - the moderators didn't like me, which is mainly why they ignored me after incorrectly deleting my name, and so far they don't not like this name, if that makes sense. I'd like to keep it that way.

Good point, and well made. But I'd like to keep that to myself - the moderators didn't like me, which is mainly why they ignored me after incorrectly deleting my name, and so far they don't not like this name, if that makes sense. I'd like to keep it that way.

Why did they delete you?

Why did they delete you?

They thought I was multying and I wasn't. Don't worry about it, I'm done with the gameplay part of NationStates, anyway, I just like to argue with people.

Good point, and well made. But I'd like to keep that to myself - the moderators didn't like me, which is mainly why they ignored me after incorrectly deleting my name, and so far they don't not like this name, if that makes sense. I'd like to keep it that way.
Oh, well. It was worth a try.

They thought I was multying and I wasn't. Don't worry about it, I'm done with the gameplay part of NationStates, anyway, I just like to argue with people.
A couple of points:

One: we do not delete people for UN multis. You must have been doing something else too. Ejection from the UN is the norm for multis because there's always the possibility that it actually is more than one person at the computer in question. Either you were doing something else at the time or you had a previous warning.

Two: It is wildly unlikely that you weren't multi-ing if we ran a UN check and found matches.

That said, Aldranin, I would highly reccommend choosing your words more carefully in this thread; I haven't seen anyone formally complain yet but your badgering people is getting old.

One: we do not delete people for UN multis. You must have been doing something else too. Ejection from the UN is the norm for multis because there's always the possibility that it actually is more than one person at the computer in question. Either you were doing something else at the time or you had a previous warning.

That's the reason I was given.

Two: It is wildly unlikely that you weren't multi-ing if we ran a UN check and found matches.

Okay, I'm lying. Because claiming to have 500 posts on another name that I haven't even said really does something for my argument.

That said, Aldranin, I would highly reccommend choosing your words more carefully in this thread; I haven't seen anyone formally complain yet but your badgering people is getting old.

Apologies. Though I thought I have been choosing my words carefully - I haven't actually insulted anyone in this thread other than Upward, but that was provoked. Sorry if the situation is otherwise.

That's the reason I was given.



Okay, I'm lying. Because claiming to have 500 posts on another name that I haven't even said really does something for my argument.



Apologies. Though I thought I have been choosing my words carefully - I haven't actually insulted anyone in this thread other than Upward, but that was provoked. Sorry if the situation is otherwise.
I did nothing to provoke it and even if I did it really still would not be acceptable if it fell in flame troll or flame baiting territory

I did nothing to provoke it and even if I did it really still would not be acceptable if it fell in flame troll or flame baiting territory

Yes, you provoked it. You may not have intended to, but you sure as hell did. A mock of my post with all of the descriptions changed except the one I made for myself seems a lot like "asking for it" to me.

Yes, you provoked it. You may not have intended to, but you sure as hell did. A mock of my post with all of the descriptions changed except the one I made for myself seems a lot like "asking for it" to me.
I did not even mean to leave yours in but it happened
You created it and I added nothing to your description that you did not already post about yourself.

Even so provocation is not an excuse on the forum … while rude I did not find your behavior worthy of a report hence the no formal complaint so I tried to let you know that maybe it was just a mix up on the sometimes impersonal internet we have here yet you continue to deride other posters as well as myself.

LOL!!! I am dying over here. All the personal insults that started flying when debaters' names started being mentioned is utterly priceless. Looks like a lot of old wounds got ripped open. Very entertaining.

My own picks for good debaters are Corneliu, Dobbsworld (even though he and I disagree a lot), Cat-tribe (I love reading his arguments), Sinuhue, Achtung 45 and Carnivorous Lickers.

If I missed anyone, it's because I've only really had deep enough exchanges with the aforementioned folks.

LOL!!! I am dying over here. All the personal insults that started flying when debaters' names started being mentioned is utterly priceless. Looks like a lot of old wounds got ripped open. Very entertaining.

My own picks for good debaters are Corneliu, Dobbsworld (even though he and I disagree a lot), Cat-tribe (I love reading his arguments), Sinuhue, Achtung 45 and Carnivorous Lickers.

If I missed someone, it's because I haven't had many exchanges with that person.
Haven’t done much interacting with with Achtung 45 but dobbs is great at times

I did not even mean to leave yours in but it happened
You created it and I added nothing to your description that you did not already post about yourself.

Even so provocation is not an excuse on the forum … while rude I did not find your behavior worthy of a report hence the no formal complaint so I tried to let you know that maybe it was just a mix up on the sometimes impersonal internet we have here yet you continue to deride other posters as well as myself.

What the heck is flamebaiting, then?

Anyway, I had dropped it, I really don't care whether you meant to piss me off, my post after that was meant to be humorous, you got defensive about it and the shit hit the fan. I'm done with the matter. The only reason I mentioned it again is because Melkor implied that I was lying about why I was deleted and said that I was crossing the line, when I thought I was more walking it.

Alright, that's it. Cut it out and get back on topic or I'm locking this thread. This has gone on long enough.

Alright, that's it. Cut it out and get back on topic or I'm locking this thread. This has gone on long enough.
Fair enough

Oh and I forgot to mention you melkor while I don’t agree the objective morality argument was interesting to say the least lol

I think "quality debators" or whatever is sometimes a hard thing to quantify. I think the people I mention are good posters who I enjoy discussing issues with. In no particular order.

UpwardThrust
Fass
Cat - Tribe
Cabra West
Sdaeriji
Cornielu
Eutrasca
Drunk Commies (Whatever the incarnation, Deleted I believe)
Sanctaphrax (Who I was very supprised hasn't been mentioned)
Kervoskia


I will probably add to this list as I think of more people
I don't know if people have changed names so if I put you in the below section don't be offended
Up and coming:
The boldly courageous
Holy Womble
NAS Rebels

That makes two of us Gataway_driver ;)

But thanks for the mention, nice to know I'm not totally invisible. Much appreciated.

That makes two of us Gataway_driver ;)

But thanks for the mention, nice to know I'm not totally invisible. Much appreciated.

I mean you have had a bit of a dry spell recently but I remember your 7000th post thread was it? That wasn't all that long ago

Sdaeriji

Thank you. I believe you are the only person to mention me thus far.

I'm just finding less and less to post about. What I do, I now post in Particracy once, NS once, so Particracy got my thread about going to visit Auschwitz Birkenau, and NS got the Israel pics thread. Its split 50/50. I'm still heavily involved in my RPs though.

Thank you. I believe you are the only person to mention me thus far.

I can't be, your always involved :confused:

Sdaeriji, from now I'm pronouncing your name as 'Bob'.
Jesussaves (honorable mention)
UpwardThrust
Roach-Busters

Thank you Gateway Driver, I haven't tried to debate very well since my 50th post, I should try though.

Sdaeriji, from now I'm pronouncing your name as 'Bob'.


Can you call me something besides 'Bob'? 'Bob' is what I used to call Parratoga.

Can you call me something besides 'Bob'? 'Bob' is what I used to call Parratoga.
How about Jim.

I nearly forgot, Melkor Unchained, I keep forgeting he's a mod. :confused:

I'm just finding less and less to post about. What I do, I now post in Particracy once, NS once, so Particracy got my thread about going to visit Auschwitz Birkenau, and NS got the Israel pics thread. Its split 50/50. I'm still heavily involved in my RPs though.

I never got involved in RP's, mainly because i didn't want to have to post. And i don't think i'm that imaginative

Can you call me something besides 'Bob'? 'Bob' is what I used to call Parratoga.

I've always pronounced it "Serge" :D

No offence meant

I am the best, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong and deserves to be shot. Now debate that! :D

I've always pronounced it "Serge" :D

No offence meant

Well there was that discussion in some thread about how everyone has different ways of pronouncing my name. I suggested a poll be run, but no one bothered, and I'm not so conceited. Maybe I will anyway.

I like to think I'm a solid debater--- one of the better ones in the board when I try. However, I'm definately not the best, and I definately don't debate enough to warrent "honor" or "respect".

I like to think I'm a solid debater--- one of the better ones in the board when I try. However, I'm definately not the best, and I definately don't debate enough to warrent "honor" or "respect".

To be honest with you, I don't think you have posted enough to be on peoples radars yet. Keep it up and i'm sure you will get noticed :) .

Well there was that discussion in some thread about how everyone has different ways of pronouncing my name. I suggested a poll be run, but no one bothered, and I'm not so conceited. Maybe I will anyway.
You want I should put a poll here?

Swimmingpool, how could i forget

You want I should put a poll here?

Go nuts.

Go nuts.
I'm actually going to nominate Sdaeriji for a few reasons-

I've said this before, but I don't think even he noticed. Reminds me of a friend of mine, complete with some of the same manerisms. That comes through in his 'reserve cannon' style of debate. He's not neccisarily a 'sourcer' but rather someone who points out miss-steps in the logic of a conclusion or, and this is where he excells, calls people on their personal bullshit. I think it's that he is a social poster and quasi-lurker and does a good job of sorting the patterns of posters so when someone makes a claim about themselves ("I'm noble.") he's on top of it. It is something I try to do because I don't really have the research at my finger tips and 'bullshit' bothers me more than anything. If Bottle is the rock star of this, then Sdaeriji is at the very least the opening act.

I'm actually going to nominate Sdaeriji for a few reasons-

I've said this before, but I don't think even he noticed. Reminds me of a friend of mine, complete with some of the same manerisms. That comes through in his 'reserve cannon' style of debate. He's not neccisarily a 'sourcer' but rather someone who points out miss-steps in the logic of a conclusion or, and this is where he excells, calls people on their personal bullshit. I think it's that he is a social poster and quasi-lurker and does a good job of sorting the patterns of posters so when someone makes a claim about themselves ("I'm noble.") he's on top of it. It is something I try to do because I don't really have the research at my finger tips and 'bullshit' bothers me more than anything. If Bottle is the rock star of this, then Sdaeriji is at the very least the opening act.

Aww, thanks! I have noticed you compare me to your friend on a few occasions.

.:bump:.

i used to debate, but after retyping the same arguments about 10 times each i stopped. now i only post on new topics, which are few and far between and tend not to be debates.

I often, while following threads of interest to myself, find myself impressed by points made by Sanctaphrax, Sdaeriji, and Chellis, who i think often backs his arguments with plenty of facts.

To be honest with you, I don't think you have posted enough to be on peoples radars yet. Keep it up and i'm sure you will get noticed :) .Yeah, look what happened to me...and I don't debate all that much either. I mostly spam. ;)

Yeah, look what happened to me...and I don't debate all that much either. I mostly spam. ;)

that newbie thread was hardly spam

Yeah, look what happened to me...and I don't debate all that much either. I mostly spam. ;)
Here is a statistic from the Institute for Forumicology: 98.67% of all posters have spammed, the other 1.33% who haven't are lying.
- Kervoskia, Senior Fellow

Here is a statistic from the Institute for Forumicology: 98.67% of all posters have spammed, the other 1.33% who haven't are lying.
- Kervoskia, Senior Fellow

Oh yeah, well 48.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

that newbie thread was hardly spamWell no. I suppose a better breakdown of my posts would be

45% pointless crap, spam
25% debate
25% role-play
5% helpful stuff

Oh yeah, well 48.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.It's 84%. :)

Well no. I suppose a better breakdown of my posts would be

45% pointless crap, spam
25% debate
25% role-play
5% helpful stuff

It's 84%. :)
It doesn't matter how many, the quality of your debating posts are what make you well-known.

It doesn't matter how many, the quality of your debating posts are what make you well-known.*takes that as a compliment* Thank you.

Or am I not that well known, because I don't debate that much? Not too sure actually. I like to think that I'm well-known because of the humor and sarcasm I infuse into many of my debate posts, but that's just my ego speaking ;)

Zdaehreegee is what I picked on the poll

No, no it's pronounced, "throatwobbler mangrove'.

No, no it's pronounced, "throatwobbler mangrove'.

you are a pimp

I'll be your whore

Where's the "Myrth" option?

Where's the "Myrth" option?

I specifically prohibited it.

I specifically prohibited it.

Was I right about the pronunciation? Tell me, tell meeeeeeeeeeeeeee :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :p

I specifically prohibited it.Darn! I'd have liked to pronounce your name "Myrth". It has a nicer ring than "Sdare"...whatever you've got now! A musical quality. Kind of thing?

bumpage

Bump

I think "quality debators" or whatever is sometimes a hard thing to quantify. I think the people I mention are good posters who I enjoy discussing issues with. In no particular order.

UpwardThrust
Fass
Cat - Tribe
Cabra West
Sdaeriji
Cornielu
Eutrasca
Drunk Commies (Whatever the incarnation, Deleted I believe)
Sanctaphrax (Who I was very supprised hasn't been mentioned)
Kervoskia



I will probably add to this list as I think of more people
I don't know if people have changed names so if I put you in the below section don't be offended
Up and coming:
The boldly courageous
Holy Womble
NAS Rebels

Thank you for the mention Gataway_Driver :D

"sdai-er-ji" i never notice the other "i".

Three things:

1. I hope that amongst my annoyed comments to Aldranin, I still made clear I appreciate those that have named mere here. I don't post on these forums to win popularity, but I am most flattered that many think I am skilled and/or respect me.

2. I personally hesitate to name other debaters. There are so many of you whom I like, respect, and/or believe are skillful, honorable, sincere, etc.

3. As I explained, it is spelled "Sdaeriji," but it is pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove."

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3. As I explained, it is spelled "Sdaeriji," but it is pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove."

I thought I explained that one? Did I miss one of your posts?

Bump

Three things:

1. I hope that amongst my annoyed comments to Aldranin, I still made clear I appreciate those that have named mere here. I don't post on these forums to win popularity, but I am most flattered that many think I am skilled and/or respect me.

2. I personally hesitate to name other debaters. There are so many of you whom I like, respect, and/or believe are skillful, honorable, sincere, etc.

3. As I explained, it is spelled "Sdaeriji," but it is pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove."

I was compared to you today and I took it as a major compliment. Whether or not one agrees with you, it is hard to dismiss the quality of your posts. I guess a touch of OCD does you good, huh?

I say it's pronounced as a gutteral scream.

I was compared to you today and I took it as a major compliment. Whether or not one agrees with you, it is hard to dismiss the quality of your posts.

I say it's pronounce as a gutteral scream.

Your both very calm in general when you post. A skill that I could improve at times :)

After just following another thread, I will have to say Swimmingpool is a skillful debater. I dont always agree with his posts, but he is well spoken, articulate and usually knows what he is talking about. He is among the debaters I respect.

Your both very calm in general when you post. A skill that I could improve at times :)

I think all of us could strive to do better. Even Cat throws in the occasion "Sparky" or related snarky comment. I try very hard to make my snarky comments amusing, but I'm not sure I always pull it off. If I can achieve that balance, I would be a happy man. Well, that would make me happy or Sinuhue showing up at my doorstep. I'll take either one, though neither is very likely.

I think all of us could strive to do better. Even Cat throws in the occasion "Sparky" or related snarky comment. I try very hard to make my snarky comments amusing, but I'm not sure I always pull it off. If I can achieve that balance, I would be a happy man. Well, that would make me happy or Sinuhue showing up at my doorstep. I'll take either one, though neither is very likely.

Yes but I get annoyed and probably say something that I'll get annoyed that i responded. Gay marriage thread for example

Yes but I get annoyed and probably say something that I'll get annoyed that i responded. Gay marriage thread for example

Yeah, that's one I wish I could leave alone. Some posters are actually posting to have a discussion. Some, no names, are just posting to hear themselves talk.

Yeah, that's one I wish I could leave alone. Some posters are actually posting to have a discussion. Some, no names, are just posting to hear themselves talk.

Agreed

I think "quality debators" or whatever is sometimes a hard thing to quantify. I think the people I mention are good posters who I enjoy discussing issues with. In no particular order.

UpwardThrust
Fass
Cat - Tribe
Cabra West
Sdaeriji
Cornielu
Eutrasca
Drunk Commies (Whatever the incarnation, Deleted I believe)
Sanctaphrax (Who I was very supprised hasn't been mentioned)
Kervoskia


I will probably add to this list as I think of more people
I don't know if people have changed names so if I put you in the below section don't be offended
Up and coming:
The boldly courageous
Holy Womble
NAS Rebels
Hey, thanks.

Hey, thanks.

no worries

Yeah, that's one I wish I could leave alone. Some posters are actually posting to have a discussion. Some, no names, are just posting to hear themselves talk.

Hey I resemble that remark and so do you for that fact! :p nener nener neeener!

*runs*

I may not be much of debater but....

There's no way to finish that statement

Re:thing 3:

I thought I explained that one? Did I miss one of your posts?

Yes and no.

I made the statement in the other thread about Sdaeriji's name (which is why it is in the poll, I think.)

You mentioned it first here.

I repeated it only to echo more fully the entire Python paraphrase.

Didn't intend to step on your toes. :)

Ok, haven't been back that long, but I've seen enough to make my choices.

Now, I have 4 to make. 2 I knew from before and two are new people. (At least to me they're new)

1) Bottle

2) Dobbsworld

Now for the new people I've been very impressed with.

1) The Cat-Tribe (He really does debate like my husband "Zeppistan" use to. I won't say better, but I will say same style and that is great in my books)

2) The Nazz

Those are my picks.

Mark my words, someday I will make this list!

*leaves to go convince people*

Mark my words, someday I will make this list!

*leaves to go convince people*

I wish you luck

I was compared to you today and I took it as a major compliment. Whether or not one agrees with you, it is hard to dismiss the quality of your posts. I guess a touch of OCD does you good, huh?

I say it's pronounced as a gutteral scream.
I was the one who payed you that compliment, and it was indeed meant as a major compliment.
I'm very new here, so I can't possibly say anything about who are great and who aren't... Ok I could say something about the latter, but I won't. I digress.

I'm very impressed and a bit humbled when I end up arguing something alongside you & TCT. It's not that you are nessecarily any better than <insert name>, but you are both very eloquent, and CALM. The latter is what I've noticed the most. I've been active in threads where the opposition have been grotesque slander at the best of times, and yet both of you have managed to ignore the flames. I sorely wish I had your selfcontrol.

Keep it up. It's a pleasure to debating with you and I look forward to arguing against you - I'm pretty sure we won't always agree ;)

I was the one who payed you that compliment, and it was indeed meant as a major compliment.
I'm very new here, so I can't possibly say anything about who are great and who aren't... Ok I could say something about the latter, but I won't. I digress.

I'm very impressed and a bit humbled when I end up arguing something alongside you & TCT. It's not that you are nessecarily any better than <insert name>, but you are both very eloquent, and CALM. The latter is what I've noticed the most. I've been active in threads where the opposition have been grotesque slander at the best of times, and yet both of you have managed to ignore the flames. I sorely wish I had your selfcontrol.

Keep it up. It's a pleasure to debating with you and I look forward to arguing against you - I'm pretty sure we won't always agree ;)

To be fair you might not have been here but you have made your mark. Honestly I like a lot of your posts. Hope you carry on here

To be fair you might not have been here but you have made your mark. Honestly I like a lot of your posts. Hope you carry on here
Cheers! I'll take that as a major compliment, considering you've only seen me (I think) post borderline flames - which I regret. I much too volatile for my own good.
I only read through the last 2 pages here last time I posted, but now I've read the whole thing. And someone mentioned me completely unprovoked. Yea, I know I'm being silly, but most of the time here, I feel I'm walking amongst giants, so I'm gonna spend the rest of the evening being totally conceited... Though it'll be tempered by the fact that Dobbs snagged Sumamba before I joined in :p

Dempublicents1, UpwardThrust, Cabra West, Cat-Tribe, Sinuhue, Jocabia, The Similized world and Dobbsworld.

These have my respect and seem like good people too.
Salarschla I really appreciate it. You're dead wrong to mention me, but I really appreciate it. I agree with the rest of the mentions though, execpt perhaps UpwardThrust. He, like me, is way too easy to piss off. He shines when there's no trolls about though. I'm not so sure I do ;)

I was the one who payed you that compliment, and it was indeed meant as a major compliment.
I'm very new here, so I can't possibly say anything about who are great and who aren't... Ok I could say something about the latter, but I won't. I digress.

I'm very impressed and a bit humbled when I end up arguing something alongside you & TCT. It's not that you are nessecarily any better than <insert name>, but you are both very eloquent, and CALM. The latter is what I've noticed the most. I've been active in threads where the opposition have been grotesque slander at the best of times, and yet both of you have managed to ignore the flames. I sorely wish I had your selfcontrol.

Keep it up. It's a pleasure to debating with you and I look forward to arguing against you - I'm pretty sure we won't always agree ;)

I wish I could tell you that I've noticed the same about you, but to be fair, you haven't registered much on my radar, good or bad, until today. Now, it's easy to say that you like a poster who compliments you, but I have to say that it's not the compliment that impresses me. I am always impressed by people who come to the forum in the hope of better expressing themselves rather than pwning someone with thinly-veiled flames. As I said earlier, we all slide at times, but if everyone had your attitude the forums it certainly would improve the average quality of forum debate. I'll be sure to look for you more in the future so i react with more quality the next we discuss such things.

Salarschla I really appreciate it. You're dead wrong to mention me, but I really appreciate it. I agree with the rest of the mentions though, execpt perhaps UpwardThrust. He, like me, is way too easy to piss off. He shines when there's no trolls about though. I'm not so sure I do ;)

Nah, I think you are worth mentioning, a rising star so to speak.

Cheers! I'll take that as a major compliment, considering you've only seen me (I think) post borderline flames - which I regret. I much too volatile for my own good.
I only read through the last 2 pages here last time I posted, but now I've read the whole thing. And someone mentioned me completely unprovoked. Yea, I know I'm being silly, but most of the time here, I feel I'm walking amongst giants, so I'm gonna spend the rest of the evening being totally conceited... Though it'll be tempered by the fact that Dobbs snagged Sumamba before I joined in :p

Salarschla I really appreciate it. You're dead wrong to mention me, but I really appreciate it. I agree with the rest of the mentions though, execpt perhaps UpwardThrust. He, like me, is way too easy to piss off. He shines when there's no trolls about though. I'm not so sure I do ;)

This is the only one we have both posted in and I wouldn't wanna be judged on that particularly. But you got nearly 500 posts? and they wern't all in there and they wern't all boarder flame. I don't post in every thread i read.

Huge ass bump.

Since I haven't put my input in, I'm going to say:

Alien Born
Melkor Unchained
Swimmingpool
Deleuze

There are a few that I am forgetting but they won't care anyway.

If people mention Corneliu, then Canuck Haven gets my vote.
Thank you for the nod. :)

I generally try to avoid these threads like the plague, due to the fact that they invariably end up as a popularity type thread and/or ego feeding/bashing ritual. There are many great posters here and I have enjoyed some lively discussions with them and against them.

I generally save personal accolades for the threads as they progress, by simply stating....Great post!! :) , and as I recall, I remember singling you out a few times, as I do enjoy most of your posts.

The best posters are the ones who are willing to back up their posts with reasonably thought out dialogue backed by facts, when required. Anyone can have an opinion but the skilful debaters will have done enough research to back up their opinions.

Carry on......

I would also like to add Super-Power.

Honestly, I sincerely hope that good posters don't post here to receive accolades or to 'win' arguments, but instead to better form their opinions, educate, debunk and the like. Because of this, rather than give accolades for form and content, I'll instead say that there are several posters here that have helped me seeing different views and have better educated me on views I already held. Some just pointed me to issues I hadn't really thought about. I'm not going to name those posters, but let it be known that those of you are here to do what I said in the latter part of the first sentence, you are appreciated and you should keep up the good work. To those of you who are just here to do what I said in the earlier part of the first sentence, I appreciate you as well. I thoroughly enjoy watching you get pwned.

Damn, I didnt make the list?

Where are all the neo-Nazis when I need em...Geez I miss the good ol' days of debating their crazy notions...lol