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If anyone wants to join, feel free.

The name of the religion is Pationism(Pronounced passionism). If you join, you would be a pationist, etc etc. Here are the commandments.

1.Do not tell others about Pationism, unless asked first. You may say you are pationist, if its relevant to a discussion, and nothing further, till asked about it.

2. You may not mock Pationism as awhole, or say negative things about it as a whole. You may hold differing opinions about specifics, but in the end, you must realize that pationism is above such things. Similarly, it is heavily frowned upon to say negative things about any other religion. They are misguided, but it is not our place to say so. Defend Pationism always, dont attack others.

3. Stay true to the cause. While you may believe in other religions, that do not directly conflict with Pationism, and you may denounce faith in Pationism at any time, one must stay the path at all times, when being a Pationist. Choosing to follow a path against the general will of Pationism is grounds for damnation.

4. Asked for information, one must give all the information that is Pationism, that one can give. To recruit is divine.

5. Honour your brothers and sisters, your fellow humans. All are equal under pationism, except those that violate the commandments. Even those that are not Pationist.

6. Do not commit violence, for violence sake. Trust one another, and work for the cause.

7. Earn what you wish for. Resist temptation for the easier path, if it harms others signifigantly. For the individual is not all important. The individual and the whole are equals, working together and seperatly at the same time.

8. Help others. Work toward the goal of giving more to society than you take from it.

9. Tell the truth whenever possible. Lies collectively harm us in most cases, and are only acceptable when they bring a definitive, positive result. Use judgement.

10. Do not debate Pationism with others, if there is an alternative. Either speak directly to the knowing, who be the Commander and the Lieutenants of Pationism, or to those ordained by such.

11. Raise through the ranks as possible. Do not attempts to beat others for rankings, do not be unethical in the attempts. Always make it a goal, however, to progress.

12. Be happy. Sadness begets sadness, and never leads to good.

13. Mean well for all that you do.

14. Enlist everyone possible into Pationism. The path to becoming Pationist means for on to read the commandments, proclaim they understand them, and swear to the commander, indirectly, that they promise to follow them as close as they possibly may. Everyone starts off ranked as Initiates.

15. Do not ask for higher rank, directly or indirectly.

16. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

The 14th commandment may be done online, though its prefered to do as such offline. Until ranks can be establish heavily, the list of ranks and members will be listed as such. Each rank can change with no set prequisites. The commander, or lieutenants, are the only ones allowed to rank those at, or above, soldier ranking. Anyone below Soldier, may be ranked upward to recruit, which is the step below soldier, by soldiers or above. Anyone below soldier may not rank anyone upward. The lieutenants and commander keep their ranks until they decide to quit. Nobody can rid them of their ranks, by any means. The commander may not rid lieutenants, once they reach the position. The commander is to be appointed by the previous commander. If such is not possible, the lieutenants will meet, by any form nessecary, and vote on one of them to be the new commander. In the case there are no more lieutenants, it will go down to the highest rank with anyone left, to vote. Voting will be decided by majority vote. In the case of a tie, revotes will take place, with the highest vote winners being the only ones allowed to be voted for. This continues until there is a new commander, with no compromise available.

The current list(Most ranks wont be listed as of now, except for ones already said):

Commander: Tony Evan Carpentier.
Lieutenants: N/a
Soldiers: N/a
Recruits: N/a
Initiates: N/a

Well. It is the quickest way to make a million dollars. :cool: according to L. Ron. Hubbard.

You seem to be very passionate... ist...ic about this.
I didn't quite get what exactly you believe in?
Like your 12th commandment though :)

I like all of the commandments. But the basis of that religion still eludes me...

Ah - But what is the basis of any religion?

The basis of Pationism is Pationism. There is no great cause. There is simply the betterment of ourselves, the furthering of the commandments. It is a religion without real confliction, it is the human religion.

Must admit, the Christianity has Pationism licked when it comes to conciseness... :p
But it sounds good otherwise. Except that naming the head of the church a commander sounds a bit wrong...

The basis of Pationism is Pationism. There is no great cause. There is simply the betterment of ourselves, the furthering of the commandments. It is a religion without real confliction, it is the human religion.
How can you promote a religion when you don't exactly know what it is you're promoting?

Must admit, the Christianity has Pationism licked when it comes to conciseness... :p
But it sounds good otherwise. Except that naming the head of the church a commander sounds a bit wrong...

Is there something that you would prefer? The commander commands the religion. Perhaps I should have been more clear on its role. The commander may change the commandments, or the religion, as he see's fit. The ones who believe in pationism the most are the ones meant to advance, and the ones that advance are the ones that head to be the commander. This allows the religion to grow, yet stay true to the purpose.

But the name is not important. If there is real dislike, it can be changed.

How can you promote a religion when you don't exactly know what it is you're promoting?

On the contrary. Pationism promotes the commandments, and the advancement of the commandments through followers.

Is there something that you would prefer? The commander commands the religion. Perhaps I should have been more clear on its role. The commander may change the commandments, or the religion, as he see's fit. The ones who believe in pationism the most are the ones meant to advance, and the ones that advance are the ones that head to be the commander. This allows the religion to grow, yet stay true to the purpose.

But the name is not important. If there is real dislike, it can be changed.
Ah, but the name is important. Using military ranks for ranks in the church makes the church seem militaristic. But don't mind my opinions for changing it, I'm gonna stay protestant agnostic for now...

Must admit, the Christianity has Pationism licked when it comes to conciseness... :p
But it sounds good otherwise. Except that naming the head of the church a commander sounds a bit wrong...

Understanding and following the commandments are the most important part of the religion. Conciseness is nice, but understanding is much more important.

On the contrary. Pationism promotes the commandments, and the advancement of the commandments through followers.
Isn't that circular logic? You promote the commandments to serve the cause and the cause is to promote the commandments in order to serve the cause?
Sounds a little mindless to me, like sheep herding.
(sorry if I'm giving you a hard time, I like your commandments and the idea and all, but you seem to be lacking a real cause :p)

Ah, but the name is important. Using military ranks for ranks in the church makes the church seem militaristic. But don't mind my opinions for changing it, I'm gonna stay protestant agnostic for now...

That is your choice, though joining the religion does not force you to leave other religions, nor does it make you pray to false idols, other gods, etc. As to the name, militaristic fits. There is a greater good attempting to be made. Those that are higher rank are more important to the cause, in terms of giving to the religion. Nonetheless, as a whole, the soldiers are the most important part of the religion.

Isn't that circular logic? You promote the commandments to serve the cause and the cause is to promote the commandments in order to serve the cause?
Sounds a little mindless to me, like sheep herding.
(sorry if I'm giving you a hard time, I like your commandments and the idea and all, but you seem to be lacking a real cause :p)

You are thinking in terms of other religions. The commandments are the cause. The cause is to be the best people we can be. Though simple, truly following the commandments by all would help us by leaps and bounds.

knowing that there are some twisted people out there, though your faith seems to be one of justice there'll be some that will twist the commandments to suit their own agenda against non-passions.

You are thinking in terms of other religions. The commandments are the cause. The cause is to be the best people we can be. Though simple, truly following the commandments by all would help us by leaps and bounds.
But where's your religions involvement with the supernatural/sacred/divine? You have the set of moral standards, an organisational system and all that, but to me what's lacking is the essence of what religion is... and of course I'm thinking in terms of other religions, since you're calling yours one too ;)
I think if you would just not call it religion, but... uhm... something else, I might be convinced :p

knowing that there are some twisted people out there, though your faith seems to be one of justice there'll be some that will twist the commandments to suit their own agenda against non-passions.

For starters, if you could, please say pationers, or pations. Its not meant to be confused with passion.

The thing is, those who corrode the meaning of the commandments wont make it up the ranks. If you dont believe a soldier, or a recruit, ask a higher rank. Its that simple. Thats why the ranking system is there, full of real human beings. So only those true to the cause can advance.

For starters, if you could, please say pationers, or pations. Its not meant to be confused with passion.

The thing is, those who corrode the meaning of the commandments wont make it up the ranks. If you dont believe a soldier, or a recruit, ask a higher rank. Its that simple. Thats why the ranking system is there, full of real human beings. So only those true to the cause can advance.
But people change, they can be corrupted. What makes you sure that a person who advanced to a higher rank doesn't suddenly change his mind? I don't think you can control people to that extent. And once they're up there you can't do anything about that anymore. They can go on and change the commandments and corrupt their followers along with them. :(

But where's your religions involvement with the supernatural/sacred/divine? You have the set of moral standards, an organisational system and all that, but to me what's lacking is the essence of what religion is... and of course I'm thinking in terms of other religions, since you're calling yours one too ;)
I think if you would just not call it religion, but... uhm... something else, I might be convinced :p

The divine/supernatural part is loose. We allow our members to decide those issues themselves. What we do attempt to accomplish in that regard is understanding. Its as some call agnosticism, or atheism, religions. There is a religious part to it; In pationism, its allowing members to decide on their own.

But people change, they can be corrupted. What makes you sure that a person who advanced to a higher rank doesn't suddenly change his mind? I don't think you can control people to that extent. And once they're up there you can't do anything about that anymore. They can go on and change the commandments and corrupt their followers along with them. :(

Its possible. However, as there are numerous ranks, its most likely that anyone who is ideological enough to gain ranks in the first place, would not attempt to harm the religion if they change their minds on things. It is quite hard to become the commander, and it would take much faking to get there, as the commander should be the most ideological one of them all. Someone who radically changed their mind, after being such a believer, would ideally step down from power.

It is not a perfect system, but none are.

The divine/supernatural part is loose. We allow our members to decide those issues themselves. What we do attempt to accomplish in that regard is understanding. Its as some call agnosticism, or atheism, religions. There is a religious part to it; In pationism, its allowing members to decide on their own.
I believe that a majority of people look to religion for guidance. What would you tell them then? If I understood you correctly, basically you get to keep the core tenants (sp?) of your (previous) religion as long as they don't conflict the pationist commandments.

I don't think many people will join a religion with no major principles. It is a pointless exercise - everyone normal sticks by these rules already. Give me one good reason why they should be made into commandments for a religion?

But where's your religions involvement with the supernatural/sacred/divine? You have the set of moral standards, an organisational system and all that, but to me what's lacking is the essence of what religion is... and of course I'm thinking in terms of other religions, since you're calling yours one too ;)
I think if you would just not call it religion, but... uhm... something else, I might be convinced :p

True! Is your faith theistic like Christianity or non-theistic like Buddhism. Or do you submit to a leader like a cult?


For starters, if you could, please say pationers, or pations. Its not meant to be confused with passion.

Apologies. But I still maintain the fact that your faith can be easily twisted.

It is not a perfect system, but none are.
How true!
I gotta go, keep the discussion up for I shall return :D

I believe that a majority of people look to religion for guidance. What would you tell them then? If I understood you correctly, basically you get to keep the core tenants (sp?) of your (previous) religion as long as they don't conflict the pationist commandments.

For starters: You can be a member of multiple religions, or at least thats the Pationist belief.

Our commandments are meant to give guidance. We are agnostic in the sense that we feel we cannot give divine/supernatural guidance, whether or not it is there.

I don't think many people will join a religion with no major principles. It is a pointless exercise - everyone normal sticks by these rules already. Give me one good reason why they should be made into commandments for a religion?

Because they are good commandments. And not everyone follows them, especially such as the first one.

For starters: You can be a member of multiple religions, or at least thats the Pationist belief.

Our commandments are meant to give guidance. We are agnostic in the sense that we feel we cannot give divine/supernatural guidance, whether or not it is there.


So it's not really a religion in a sense it's more of an ideology.

For starters: You can be a member of multiple religions, or at least thats the Pationist belief.

Our commandments are meant to give guidance. We are agnostic in the sense that we feel we cannot give divine/supernatural guidance, whether or not it is there.

So... it's not really a religion, is it? It's more of a Social Progressionist movement. Which, in the end of the day, probably has more credibility anyway.

True! Is your faith theistic like Christianity or non-theistic like Buddhism. Or do you submit to a leader like a cult?

We submit to a knowingly fallible leader. There is no push to compliance, and if one doesnt feel new rules apply to them, they may leave with no scorn.

Apologies. But I still maintain the fact that your faith can be easily twisted.

Easy is relative, but yes. The reason is that there is no perfect being in this religion, and we must trust ourselves for perfection, or near as can be.

So it's not really a religion in a sense it's more of an ideology.

If you wish to call it that, thats fine. If one feels that the main qualification for a religion is the divine or supernatural, then they can consider this an ideological organization of people who worship the commandments.

actuly you are to late passionists are already a Catholic order.... its been around for quite some time now.. i dont know if they have it copy written but you are free to check



If anyone wants to join, feel free.

The name of the religion is Pationism(Pronounced passionism). If you join, you would be a pationist, etc etc. Here are the commandments.

1.Do not tell others about Pationism, unless asked first. You may say you are pationist, if its relevant to a discussion, and nothing further, till asked about it.

2. You may not mock Pationism as awhole, or say negative things about it as a whole. You may hold differing opinions about specifics, but in the end, you must realize that pationism is above such things. Similarly, it is heavily frowned upon to say negative things about any other religion. They are misguided, but it is not our place to say so. Defend Pationism always, dont attack others.

3. Stay true to the cause. While you may believe in other religions, that do not directly conflict with Pationism, and you may denounce faith in Pationism at any time, one must stay the path at all times, when being a Pationist. Choosing to follow a path against the general will of Pationism is grounds for damnation.

4. Asked for information, one must give all the information that is Pationism, that one can give. To recruit is divine.

5. Honour your brothers and sisters, your fellow humans. All are equal under pationism, except those that violate the commandments. Even those that are not Pationist.

6. Do not commit violence, for violence sake. Trust one another, and work for the cause.

7. Earn what you wish for. Resist temptation for the easier path, if it harms others signifigantly. For the individual is not all important. The individual and the whole are equals, working together and seperatly at the same time.

8. Help others. Work toward the goal of giving more to society than you take from it.

9. Tell the truth whenever possible. Lies collectively harm us in most cases, and are only acceptable when they bring a definitive, positive result. Use judgement.

10. Do not debate Pationism with others, if there is an alternative. Either speak directly to the knowing, who be the Commander and the Lieutenants of Pationism, or to those ordained by such.

11. Raise through the ranks as possible. Do not attempts to beat others for rankings, do not be unethical in the attempts. Always make it a goal, however, to progress.

12. Be happy. Sadness begets sadness, and never leads to good.

13. Mean well for all that you do.

14. Enlist everyone possible into Pationism. The path to becoming Pationist means for on to read the commandments, proclaim they understand them, and swear to the commander, indirectly, that they promise to follow them as close as they possibly may. Everyone starts off ranked as Initiates.

15. Do not ask for higher rank, directly or indirectly.

16. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

The 14th commandment may be done online, though its prefered to do as such offline. Until ranks can be establish heavily, the list of ranks and members will be listed as such. Each rank can change with no set prequisites. The commander, or lieutenants, are the only ones allowed to rank those at, or above, soldier ranking. Anyone below Soldier, may be ranked upward to recruit, which is the step below soldier, by soldiers or above. Anyone below soldier may not rank anyone upward. The lieutenants and commander keep their ranks until they decide to quit. Nobody can rid them of their ranks, by any means. The commander may not rid lieutenants, once they reach the position. The commander is to be appointed by the previous commander. If such is not possible, the lieutenants will meet, by any form nessecary, and vote on one of them to be the new commander. In the case there are no more lieutenants, it will go down to the highest rank with anyone left, to vote. Voting will be decided by majority vote. In the case of a tie, revotes will take place, with the highest vote winners being the only ones allowed to be voted for. This continues until there is a new commander, with no compromise available.

The current list(Most ranks wont be listed as of now, except for ones already said):

Commander: Tony Evan Carpentier.
Lieutenants: N/a
Soldiers: N/a
Recruits: N/a
Initiates: N/a

So... it's not really a religion, is it? It's more of a Social Progressionist movement. Which, in the end of the day, probably has more credibility anyway.

If you wish to call it so.

Is anyone actually interested in joining? Its free.

actuly you are to late passionists are already a Catholic order.... its been around for quite some time now.. i dont know if they have it copy written but you are free to check

We are not passionists, we are pationists. Passionist is just the way it is pronounced.

If you wish to call it so.

Is anyone actually interested in joining? Its free.

Not in any sort of formal sense, but you have my support!

Really, I don't intend to offend you by not calling it a faith more a belief system. Pationism has elements which resemble Mithraic and Buddhist concepts (ranks and principles etc).

Do you have dietry law? a sacred text? belief in the supernatural, anegls demons etc? moral code of laws?

Do you have dietry law? a sacred text? belief in the supernatural, anegls demons etc? moral code of laws?

Is there a point to any of these, other than the moral code of laws, which is what the commandments are meant to be? Why have something for the sake of having them?

But does the commandments really encompass the whole of your faith? As they don't in Judaism and Christianity as there are other rules, as there are other rules besides the pillars of Islam and other rules besides the noble truths of Buddhism.

If anyone wants to join, feel free.

The name of the religion is Pationism(Pronounced passionism). If you join, you would be a pationist, etc etc. Here are the commandments.

1.Do not tell others about Pationism, unless asked first. You may say you are pationist, if its relevant to a discussion, and nothing further, till asked about it.

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Rule 1 do not talk about fight club
Rule 2 do NOT talk about fight club

But does the commandments really encompass the whole of your faith? As they don't in Judaism and Christianity as there are other rules, as there are other rules besides the pillars of Islam and other rules besides the noble truths of Buddhism.

The commandments are the base around the ideal of mutually bringing ourselves up in the world, so to speak. There will be more commandments, as time passes, but for now, it stays fairly loose.

Rule 1 do not talk about fight club
Rule 2 do NOT talk about fight club

I had that in my head when I wrote it, but didnt want to be that restrictive :P

I had that in my head when I wrote it, but didnt want to be that restrictive :P
Sorry just had to say it :p

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Because they are good commandments. And not everyone follows them, especially such as the first one.

Yes, they are good commandments but ones most people already abide by.

The first one is non-applicable to non-"pations" anyway and it doesnt really help anyone so what is its importance? Please enlighten me, O holiest Commander... :headbang:

I haven't checked if this has been posted but..

Why would you give them the rank of soldier if you promote peace in your commandments?

I haven't checked if this has been posted but..

Why would you give them the rank of soldier if you promote peace in your commandments?

What do you mean? Do you have the misconception that soldiers promote war, or killing?

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Referring to one of those "commandments", people are not equal. If Pationism was truly an idea that people are equal, why have those silly ranks? That is definitely not pro-equality.