NationStates Jolt Archive

is anyone else pissed off that after all the hype, we were dished out such a load of crap?

- until the release of the first patch, i had to try and cope with WSAD movement keys instead of the more efficient keypad
- the sniper rifles for china and MEC do less damage, and are less accurate than assault rifles
- there is no bullet time physics as a sniper(bullets hit exactly when fired) unlike BF1942 where you had to calculate where to fire your shot if you wanted to hit
- there are almost no maps, and the few maps provided are tiny
- bullets seem to bounce off gaps in the armour of mounted machineguns(on top of vehicles) where they used to go through in BF1942
-the number and effectiveness of vehicles is noxt to none, where as in BF1942 and desertcombat they were the key to the game

overall i give it a 3/10, because the graphics at least are a step up 1942, but still the same as vietnam

1. That's why there was a patch.
2. There are quite a few maps, and they are quite huge...I feel like you're basing your judgment on the offline version of the game...and based purely on the offline version, I'd agree. The game sucks. Multiplayer servers where you play one map for as long as an hour (or longer on some servers) with maxed map size...it's really fun.
3. Oh my! The armored vehicles of 20xx (near future combat) are better armored than WW2 era vehicles! That's grounds for hating the game!
4. Again, see 2. Ever seen a pilot/gunner combo in an attack chopper? Or a good fighter pilot? And what about when you've got even better people operating linebackers and the other AA-vehicles and weapons?

1.Wrong- it was easy to cahnge keys to numpad. You could edit the config file, or even, in game, press esc. to clear a key so you could rebind it.

2. They aren't "hit where you shoot". Taek a look at the python files- inaccuracy is built in. They have better range, and are far more suited to sniping than the assualt rifle.

3. There are 36 maps pakaged with the game. I call that a lot. And although there are three versions of each of the 12 maps to make that up, each plays so totally different from the ones of a differeing size, it makes up for it.

4. I've never witnessed it, but it could be right. Point conceded for now.

5. Really? Vehicles are very powerful, when used right. Yes, heli's are no linger the DC gods of strafing death, which is good. It makes it so that "whoever has the vehicles" doesn't equal "who wins the game".

OVerall, a very good game indeed. When you get online, it is ridiculously fun. It just, as a SP experience, sucks. I say, 8/10.

I enjoy playing BF2 a lot more than BF1942 actually (never played the Vietnam one). I'm not too pissed.

I agree with you on the sniper rifles, they took me a while to get used to, and its annoying when you have to keep shooting someone over and over when it only took two shots to kill in BF1942. And American snipers have bolt action rifles, which add to the frustration.

About the dependance on armor, I guess they want you to be more dependant on your fellow team members on the ground than having every individual in a tank. I agree though, they need to improve the armor of the tanks and the helicopters. And they should get rid of most of the heat seeking missiles the beeping sound they make when you're in a vehicle is annoying.

I'm glad that now its harder for people to "bunny hop" to avoid being shot, that was just stupid in BF1942 (even though I got really good at it :)).

Anyways, although I wouldn't call it a load of crap, I would say that there is room for improvement. More interesting maps would be nice, like snow and night ones.

I give it a 7/10

Operation Clean sweep is a night map. But I take your point.

Snow would be good, but it'd have to be in the Chinese mountains, as I doubt there are any snowy places in MEC territory!

Operation Clean sweep is a night map. But I take your point.

Snow would be good, but it'd have to be in the Chinese mountains, as I doubt there are any snowy places in MEC territory!
Turkey...mountains...

Operation Clean sweep is a night map. But I take your point.

Snow would be good, but it'd have to be in the Chinese mountains, as I doubt there are any snowy places in MEC territory!

Forgot that one :P

is anyone else pissed off that after all the hype, we were dished out such a load of crap?

- until the release of the first patch, i had to try and cope with WSAD movement keys instead of the more efficient keypad
- the sniper rifles for china and MEC do less damage, and are less accurate than assault rifles
- there is no bullet time physics as a sniper(bullets hit exactly when fired) unlike BF1942 where you had to calculate where to fire your shot if you wanted to hit
- there are almost no maps, and the few maps provided are tiny
- bullets seem to bounce off gaps in the armour of mounted machineguns(on top of vehicles) where they used to go through in BF1942
-the number and effectiveness of vehicles is noxt to none, where as in BF1942 and desertcombat they were the key to the game

overall i give it a 3/10, because the graphics at least are a step up 1942, but still the same as vietnam

To answer your points in order:

*Whaaaaaaa. Most people use WASD. Its fixed now anyways, as you say.
*Bullshit. The strongest assault rifle(G3a3-40 damage) does less than the weakest sniper(SVD-45 damage). I could pull out the accuracy numbers, but they would make no sense to you, unless you understand refractor 2 scripting.
*More bullshit. The engine is mostly the same as bf1942, they didnt take away bullet physics. You are basing this off nothing.
*There are 12 maps with three versions each. BF1942 had 16 total, while there are basically 36 for bf2.
*The one thing that is an actual, valid point, but not game breaking. Its just a bad collision mesh.
*Vehicles are effective, if you use them correctly. MBT's arent the end all of equipment, which is pretty accurate to what it would be like in real warfare between big powers(Modern ATGM's can pop modern armour pretty well, such as the Eryx).

I enjoy playing BF2 a lot more than BF1942 actually (never played the Vietnam one). I'm not too pissed.

I agree with you on the sniper rifles, they took me a while to get used to, and its annoying when you have to keep shooting someone over and over when it only took two shots to kill in BF1942. And American snipers have bolt action rifles, which add to the frustration.

About the dependance on armor, I guess they want you to be more dependant on your fellow team members on the ground than having every individual in a tank. I agree though, they need to improve the armor of the tanks and the helicopters. And they should get rid of most of the heat seeking missiles the beeping sound they make when you're in a vehicle is annoying.

I'm glad that now its harder for people to "bunny hop" to avoid being shot, that was just stupid in BF1942 (even though I got really good at it :)).

Anyways, although I wouldn't call it a load of crap, I would say that there is room for improvement. More interesting maps would be nice, like snow and night ones.

I give it a 7/10

Answering your paragraphs in order:

*I agree

*The bolt action snipers only take two hits to kill in this game, as long as you actually hit. The Semi-auto's take 3 at most, and they make up for it in speed of firing.

*Helicopters already have unrealisticly strong armour. RPG-7's, 50 caliber machine guns, stingers, all rip through helicopters. Yet ingame, some(maybe all) helicopters can take a shot from a tank, and survive. As for tanks, they too have stronger than real armour. The Eryx, for example, can penetrate 900mm of Rolled Homogenous Armour(RHeA? I can never remember). The M1a2 can stand three hits from it ingame, even on the top and back armour, which would be pretty much guarenteed one hit kills in real life. At the moment, the MBT is balanced however, making up for its extra strong armour with being a high profile target.

*Agreed

*Agreed

*I would personally say 9.3/10, but we all have our opinions ^_^

I have to agree with Communist Atlantis on this one: my main reasons are:
1. SO FEW MAPS!!! It is hardly worth buying until some decent mods come out
2. Graphics: I am running on a 9600XT, but even though, the trees especially look really bad, aswell as crappy clipping etc...
3. Singleplayer: Only 16 maps... what a load of crap. Need bot support for the 32 and 64
4. No coop over net (can get coop over lan though, only on 16 player maps, and it's pretty hard to get in to)
5. The maps can be too large, if you end up in a smaller populated server, and there are 16 of you on a 64 player map you could go the whole game withjout once seeing an enemy
6. The patch was dodgy when it did come out., so people who installed it had to unistall and reinstall the game over.

This game was certainly not worth the money, and it is pretty pathetic considering BF42. I really want some decent mods to come out...

edit: My ranking: 2.5/10

I have to agree with Communist Atlantis on this one: my main reasons are:
1. SO FEW MAPS!!! It is hardly worth buying until some decent mods come out
2. Graphics: I am running on a 9600XT, but even though, the trees especially look really bad, aswell as crappy clipping etc...
3. Singleplayer: Only 16 maps... what a load of crap. Need bot support for the 32 and 64
4. No coop over net (can get coop over lan though, only on 16 player maps, and it's pretty hard to get in to)
5. The maps can be too large, if you end up in a smaller populated server, and there are 16 of you on a 64 player map you could go the whole game withjout once seeing an enemy
6. The patch was dodgy when it did come out., so people who installed it had to unistall and reinstall the game over.

This game was certainly not worth the money, and it is pretty pathetic considering BF42. I really want some decent mods to come out...

edit: My ranking: 2.5/10

1. 12(36) maps is a good number, compared to other commercial games. Mods spoil us.

2. Maybe you should get a better video card. Its beautiful on my 9700 pro. I prefer it to doom 3/hl2/etc.

3. Singleplayer/bots have never been a big part of the refractor 2 series of games.

4. Look at 3

5. Thats why you play a 16 player map, when its only 16 players. Dont blame the game for bad admin choices.

I have to agree with Communist Atlantis on this one: my main reasons are:
1. SO FEW MAPS!!! It is hardly worth buying until some decent mods come out
2. Graphics: I am running on a 9600XT, but even though, the trees especially look really bad, aswell as crappy clipping etc...
3. Singleplayer: Only 16 maps... what a load of crap. Need bot support for the 32 and 64
4. No coop over net (can get coop over lan though, only on 16 player maps, and it's pretty hard to get in to)
5. The maps can be too large, if you end up in a smaller populated server, and there are 16 of you on a 64 player map you could go the whole game withjout once seeing an enemy
6. The patch was dodgy when it did come out., so people who installed it had to unistall and reinstall the game over.

This game was certainly not worth the money, and it is pretty pathetic considering BF42. I really want some decent mods to come out...

edit: My ranking: 2.5/10

1. There are 16 maps, but there are 3 versions of each.
2. You're on a 9600!! What did you expect?! You can't get top notch graphics with a 9600 these days! Most NGEN games like BF2 require a 9800 at least for decent graphics or to truly play BF2 at its finest, get an X800, I'm running all settings at high with this baby.
3. Meh I haven't touched singleplayer, having too much fun on the 64 man servers.
4. Again meh
5. While I agree that some of the maps are tedious like Op Clean Sweep and Kurba Dam. Others like Strike at Karkand, Sharqi Peninsula, Dragon Valley, more than make up for the tedious ones.
6. This is why I never listen to EA anymore, I certainly didn't reinstall, it's running as smooth as before for me. I'll just wait for the hotfix that is suppose to be out soon.

I only have the demo of this game but still i recon its awsome. Online play is just brilliant i think and i think single player is alright. As for the sniping, i still have not gotten used to it, but hey thats ok because i dont use the sniper. I am not very good at flying, that bothers me a bit but thats my fault not the games.

Overall i recon a 9/10 but i havnt played the full game. What other factions can you be? If any.

I only have the demo of this game but still i recon its awsome. Online play is just brilliant i think and i think single player is alright. As for the sniping, i still have not gotten used to it, but hey thats ok because i dont use the sniper. I am not very good at flying, that bothers me a bit but thats my fault not the games.

Overall i recon a 9/10 but i havnt played the full game. What other factions can you be? If any.
You can play as the MEC, USMC, and China.

- until the release of the first patch, i had to try and cope with WSAD movement keys instead of the more efficient keypad


YOU USE A KEYPAD?

ROFLEK EKEKEKKEKEKEK :D


- the sniper rifles for china and MEC do less damage, and are less accurate than assault rifles
- there is no bullet time physics as a sniper(bullets hit exactly when fired) unlike BF1942 where you had to calculate where to fire your shot if you wanted to hit


Um...don't these two arguments nullify each other out?


- there are almost no maps, and the few maps provided are tiny


12 maps and they are not tiny. In fact, I think most of them are too big.


- bullets seem to bounce off gaps in the armour of mounted machineguns(on top of vehicles) where they used to go through in BF1942


Armor now bounces bullets off...

As they should.


-the number and effectiveness of vehicles is noxt to none, where as in BF1942 and desertcombat they were the key to the game

Huh?

is anyone else pissed off that after all the hype, we were dished out such a load of crap?

- until the release of the first patch, i had to try and cope with WSAD movement keys instead of the more efficient keypad
- the sniper rifles for china and MEC do less damage, and are less accurate than assault rifles
- there is no bullet time physics as a sniper(bullets hit exactly when fired) unlike BF1942 where you had to calculate where to fire your shot if you wanted to hit
- there are almost no maps, and the few maps provided are tiny
- bullets seem to bounce off gaps in the armour of mounted machineguns(on top of vehicles) where they used to go through in BF1942
-the number and effectiveness of vehicles is noxt to none, where as in BF1942 and desertcombat they were the key to the game

overall i give it a 3/10, because the graphics at least are a step up 1942, but still the same as vietnam

#1 keypad?? lol
#2 what?
#3 sure there is
#4 for a release version there is heaps
#5 Armour will do that
#6 vehicles are still pretty much the key to the game as its next to impossible to walk between flags, or im just not good enough :)

Here's how to get between two flags on foot.

1)Create you own server, and password protect it so no one else will be playing.

2) Make a squad. Order yourself to attack the flag you want to walk to

3) Using the orange line as a guide, aim your crosshair at the flag.

4) Leave a heavy object on the "w" key.

5) Return ten minutes later.

Okay, a slight exageration, but it is very hard to get between two flags without dying if you are on foot.

Here's how to get between two flags on foot.

1)Create you own server, and password protect it so no one else will be playing.

2) Make a squad. Order yourself to attack the flag you want to walk to

3) Using the orange line as a guide, aim your crosshair at the flag.

4) Leave a heavy object on the "w" key.

5) Return ten minutes later.

Okay, a slight exageration, but it is very hard to get between two flags without dying if you are on foot.

um..... thanks ;)

One time a shock paddled a guy while he sat in a DPV. I have like 15 shock paddle kills so far.

Oh, and WAH! WAH! That's why it's called Battlefield 2. It's a sequel for a reason. If you wanted Battlefield 1942 why don't you play BF 1942.

1. in response to everyone tellnig me i am an idiot about the armour thing:
i am talknig about GAPS!!! gaps!!, ok, the gaps(eg. the big open slit in the middle of the turret armour thing where the barrel goes out from). ok. GAPS

2. another problem i forgot was: why are there no american battlefileds, youd think that if they attacked both china and the middle east that one of them wolud have reached america in at lesat one battle

3. WSAD keys suck ass, they lick donkey balls, and fuck their own grandparents.
how can anyone use them?, with the KPD all the keys are there in the correct position ready for use.
the only problem i have ever had with them is on stupid keyboards that have the pgdn key next to the 7 where pgup should be

4. sniper rifles killed with one headshot in 1942

5. i cant play multiplayer because i dont have a legit copy, if i had been slightly impressed then i wolud have scrounged up the money to buy a copy between all of my mates, to get multiplayer

1. in response to everyone tellnig me i am an idiot about the armour thing:
i am talknig about GAPS!!! gaps!!, ok, the gaps(eg. the big open slit in the middle of the turret armour thing where the barrel goes out from). ok. GAPS

2. another problem i forgot was: why are there no american battlefileds, youd think that if they attacked both china and the middle east that one of them wolud have reached america in at lesat one battle

3. WSAD keys suck ass, they lick donkey balls, and fuck their own grandparents.
how can anyone use them?, with the KPD all the keys are there in the correct position ready for use.
the only problem i have ever had with them is on stupid keyboards that have the pgdn key next to the 7 where pgup should be

4. sniper rifles killed with one headshot in 1942

5. i cant play multiplayer because i dont have a legit copy, if i had been slightly impressed then i wolud have scrounged up the money to buy a copy between all of my mates, to get multiplayer


2. What the fuck. China doesnt have the resources to mobilize its army and neither do any middle eastern nations.

3. Well fuck your shit.

4. That they did... as in many other games.

5. Ok, you supposedly played BF1942 and BFV... so why would you even think that singleplayer would be worth it? You know what... dont even answer. If you were that tech savy at all you would have found the IP's to some cracked servers. I mean shit... my friend doesnt have a legit copy and knows shit about computers but still... he plays online everyday on cracked servers. Its obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

1. in response to everyone tellnig me i am an idiot about the armour thing:
i am talknig about GAPS!!! gaps!!, ok, the gaps(eg. the big open slit in the middle of the turret armour thing where the barrel goes out from). ok. GAPSYeah, I agree, I am sitting sniping a guy in the head for like 5 minutes through the gap, and the bullets are just hitting some invisible wall in the turret (and no, I am not a bad shot/out of range/pointing somewhere else)

2. another problem i forgot was: why are there no american battlefileds, youd think that if they attacked both china and the middle east that one of them wolud have reached america in at lesat one battleYeah, that too, I would liek to see some variation on where the battle was...

5. i cant play multiplayer because i dont have a legit copy, if i had been slightly impressed then i wolud have scrounged up the money to buy a copy between all of my mates, to get multiplayer
This is one I have to say, is not a good reason, even though it is an overpriced peice of crap, You can't expect to play online on a illegal copy...

Oh, and my 9600XT is running the game at medium resolution, even on my friends 6600gt it looked just as bad... It is more that the trees are baldly made, and the grass is similar...

i have jsut pinpointed the one thing that pushes this game into the shit bucket:

it doesnt have the BF1941 charm;
-in 1942 i colud set up jsut how i wanted my team: 4 bots for me vs 30 bots for the enemy.
-in 1942 i colud customise my difficulty(ie, death cost, allies vs enemies ratio, and bot intelligence)
-the teams are tiny, it has gone from a realisticly massive swamp of enemies converging on you from all directions, to one or two guys showing up and sneaknig from behind
-i liked being able to take half the team to the next checkpoint in a chopper or APC, but now they all run off on their own, get killed and do it over again, it doesnt have any teamplay with the bots