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many people don't know the difference between the north and the south of italy. there is a big difference: the north works and the south laugh. the south of italy is just mafia (especially sicilian), mamma, and spaghetti. the people from the north are hard-working, quiet and friendly. the people from the south are lazy, brawlers and false. in the north of a italy live many people from the south and it's not good for the people from the north. most of public empleyees (over 90%) in the north of italy are from the south and they are very bad workers. there are 5 kinds of mafia in italy (ndrangheta, sacra corona unita, camorra and mafia and stidda) and all of them are from the south. please don't think that all italian are the same, we want a free northern italy.

...Erm... ok.

Apperantlly you don't know the defference between the Genral board and the NS Board

Have a nice day :)

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Are you from Italy?
Anyways, this is just like Germany East and West. Get over it, my Italian friend, and quit generalising. I met plenty of people from the North who are arseholes, and plenty of people from the South who were very nice.

j have to admit: generalising is alwais wrong but in general: that's it!

Ah Cape Diem, Italy..the wines of Masi and Agelo Gaja.. The ridiculous Duce wannabee, Berlu.

And of course the classic of Bruno Bozetto :p :



http://www.infonegocio.com/xeron/bruno/italy.html

these are the people from the south :mad:

many people don't know the difference between the north and the south of italy. there is a big difference: the north works and south laugh. the south of italy is just mafia (especially sicilian), mamma, and spaghetti. the people from the north are hard-working, quiet and friendly. the people from the south are lazy, brawlers and false. in the north of a italy live many people from the south and it's not good for the people from the north. most of public empleyees (over 90%) in the north of italy are from the south and they are very bad workers. there are 5 kinds of mafia in italy (ndrangheta, sacra corona unita, camorra and mafia and stidda) and all of them are from the south. please don't think that all italian are the same, we want a free northern italy.

Fuck off, you marginal of the Allianza Nationale or other extremist freaks of the Lega nord. You'r hero the Duce and uncle Adolf will not come back (replaced by Bush btw).

these are the people from the south :mad:

Noop, even in the Val d'Aoste (a region that I know better then most Italians) , it is like this :D

please, stop offending me! J didn't offend you and what j said it's true. all the bad reputation of italy is caused by the people from the south. J never vote, because j don't believe in politics and j don't support lega nord and national (it means north and south) alliance.

lega nord now is a racist party of the extreme right, but it wasn't. some years ago it was a party that wanted the indipendence of the north, but now it can't want it, because they are in the coalition with berlusconi and national alliance. for this reason they became an extreme right party and J can't vote it. J'm not racist, J just want a free northern italy.

Noop, even in the Val d'Aoste (a region that I know better then most Italians) , it is like this :D

please, be honest: J know Val d'aoste and it's not like this. maybe milan it's sometimes like this s, but just because milan it's a big city, and because one person out of two is from the south, despite milan is in the north.

I like Calabria! I find the olive oil even better (and mostly orgnic) then the snob Tuscan one.

I also like the North East, Friuli with its great wines and beautifull mountains. Stay together, kill the maffia and its US political friends and become a EU nation, united with France, Germany aso once again. You're only chance against us US republicans is a united EU (BTW, for your own security,better kick our EU spy, Brittain out, they only make a profit out of ya).

Avanti poppulo, banniera rossa...! Long live Garibaldi, don't forget what he has done for you guys, be proud!

Well, that's good to know. (Adds it to her list of stereotypes.)

garibaldi :sniper:

he made the italian peninsula united. a very bad thing, for the people from the north and even from the south.

Well, that's good to know. (Adds it to her list of stereotypes.)

Itally is not stereotype :mad: , you are.

garibaldi :sniper:

he made the italian peninsula united. a very bad thing, for the people from the north and even from the south.

Well, he is a bit your Bismarck, 99% of the Italians see him as the father of the nation (and those later arrived Aostians to, was in rich Courmayeur last month, wow, they feel very together with the souith, never saw so much solidarity with poor regions from such a rich region, hat of).

helping poor regions is good, but they must deserve a help. the north sends to the south a lot of money from more than 100 years, but the south still remain poor and connected with mafia. J think that sending less money to the south is the right way, they should be aware that they can get it by themselves.

I'm guessing you're from the North.

Stereotypes are not fun. The south may be more agrarian, but it's the same thing in the US. Although in general you may not like the ideas of the region as a whole, you'll quickly learn that people are the same no matter where you go.

Relax.

And without Garibaldi (or someone else like him) Italy would still be ineffectual. Before uniting it was a bunch of unimportant states. Saying you'd be better off alone is one thing, but then you'd realize how much the southern regions bring economically.

thank you for not putting that in italian so we can all understand it!

its not often we get treated to intranational bickering at this level. i thoroughly enjoyed it!

I'm guessing you're from the North.

Stereotypes are not fun. The south may be more agrarian, but it's the same thing in the US. Although in general you may not like the ideas of the region as a whole, you'll quickly learn that people are the same no matter where you go.

Relax.

And without Garibaldi (or someone else like him) Italy would still be ineffectual. Before uniting it was a bunch of unimportant states. Saying you'd be better off alone is one thing, but then you'd realize how much the southern regions bring economically.

well well there are several mistakes in what you are saying, probably due to lacking knowledge of the historical evolution of the northern italian scenery mixed with a bit of naive vision of the world :)

In any case, with or without garibaldi united italy IS still ineffectual, as seen in the various war that this state joined, never ending the war on the same side they began it :D. The "bunch of unimportant states" (as you called 'em) before uniting included such pearls as the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, or the Lombardo-Veneto under the Austro-Hungarian empire, and before that we can remember the powerful Most Seren Republic of Venice or the great Duchy of Milan, and so on...
Besides, the "romantic" experience of Galibbardo (as folks in the south called him...) would not have been in place without external "helps" by foreign states interested in creating a "cushion" and a barrier to Austrian Empire. Some "great" fights are still expecting a reasonable esplanation, for instance about how less than a thousand soldiers with ridicolous equipment won over ten times more soldiers, well equipped and trained...come on, it' s ridicolous propaganda :)

Again, about economics. In italy case, the southern region do not bring anything in...well to say truth they brought to northern region and to the whole world such wonderful things as mafia, camorra and so on...thank you very much... :headbang:

it' s ridicolous propaganda

This one statement, out of precious others by you and the original poster, struck me as most interesting. You call things propaganda, and in doing so, you indirectly admit you are spreading Lombard-independence propaganda.

A note on southern Italy, I once temporarily lived there, and I learned quite a bit about the history. Greek colonies once thrived in southern Italy, and Siciliy was home to the Syracuseans, the ones who thwarted the Athenian invasion, and sent Athens into turmoil in the face of war with the oligarchic Spartan stratocracy. Saying that southern Italy, in modern days by assumption, has basically only given the mafia to the world, is one of the most blatant statements of stereotypes I have seen.

This one statement, out of precious others by you and the original poster, struck me as most interesting. You call things propaganda, and in doing so, you indirectly admit you are spreading Lombard-independence propaganda.

hmm lombard independece propaganda why? Just because one is trying to spread historical truth? In any case that "ridicolous propaganda" was addressed to all the "artificial" hyphotesis that, after the victory of unionists have been institutionally taught to people of the brand new united italy...continuing through the years of the "duce" and still in the post war period, up to today where in school books we can still read that "propaganda", that is, simply, false. And this is not connected with political fights for Lombard indepence or whatever.


A note on southern Italy, I once temporarily lived there, and I learned quite a bit about the history. Greek colonies once thrived in southern Italy, and Siciliy was home to the Syracuseans, the ones who thwarted the Athenian invasion, and sent Athens into turmoil in the face of war with the oligarchic Spartan stratocracy. Saying that southern Italy, in modern days by assumption, has basically only given the mafia to the world, is one of the most blatant statements of stereotypes I have seen.

Of course the southern italian regions have a glorious past, back to the days of "Magna Graecia". Even Rome, if you like, has a glorious and powerful past...the fact is that today, no elements can make us remember of the ancient glory, neither the inhabitants, nor the economical situation. So, what that south gave us after the creation of italy, apart from mafia? ok pizza, spaghetti, mandolin... :D

I wonder how long this wonderful little piece of trolling will stay unlocked.

So, what that south gave us after the creation of italy, apart from mafia? ok pizza, spaghetti, mandolin...

I don't think this needs any commentary to understand.

I don't think this needs any commentary to understand.

You'd think the creation of the country would entitle them to a few years off.

I don't think this needs any commentary to understand.

not able to reply? :headbang:

It is apparent that the viewpoint of yourself and the original poster is openly sterotypical of an entire region and culture. Perhaps your clear difficulty with English makes you misinterpret what people say, and how you communicate. It is one thing to say "perhaps Italy should be split upon northern-industrial and southern-agrarian lines", and a completely different thing to say "So, what that south gave us after the creation of italy, apart from mafia? ok pizza, spaghetti, mandolin..." See the point?

It is apparent that the viewpoint of yourself and the original poster is openly sterotypical of an entire region and culture. Perhaps your clear difficulty with English makes you misinterpret what people say, and how you communicate. It is one thing to say "perhaps Italy should be split upon northern-industrial and southern-agrarian lines", and a completely different thing to say "So, what that south gave us after the creation of italy, apart from mafia? ok pizza, spaghetti, mandolin..." See the point?

:D

Believe me, what is really "apparent" is that you're talking about thing you basically do not know, going on with a naive idea of a world ruled by politically correctness. In addition you seem to consider yourself some kink of opinion leader, what you think is true and the rest is "sterotypical". Come on, it's not that simple in real world :rolleyes:
Maybe you have a clear difficulty in comprehension...noone says "perhaps Italy should be split upon northern-industrial and southern-agrarian lines" because it's just a nonsense, got it? The debate is much more complex, of course...and if you can't catch the sarcasm in the sentence about pizza and mandolin I really don't know what can I do. Actually it seems you're just focusing on secondary points, avoiding the core of :rolleyes: the thread...

Of course I use stereotypes, the same with everyone on the face of this planet. I was pointing out your own.

Concerning the "northern-industrial" bit, your English skills elude you. In English, we don't need to have to make comparisons solely based upon direct communication.

Considering I haven't made comments on the world, and since you thus cannot call my thoughts on the world naive without knowing any, I can easily counter that your thoughts on southern Italy are extremely naive. And I happen to be able to back that up with quotes by you.

Of course I use stereotypes, the same with everyone on the face of this planet. I was pointing out your own.

Concerning the "northern-industrial" bit, your English skills elude you. In English, we don't need to have to make comparisons solely based upon direct communication.

Considering I haven't made comments on the world, and since you thus cannot call my thoughts on the world naive without knowing any, I can easily counter that your thoughts on southern Italy are extremely naive. And I happen to be able to back that up with quotes by you.

You are still avoiding a reply, just re-writing same things again. It's clear that you are not able to communicate your opinion about the "italian" situation just because you do not know what to talk about :D that's it...I think it's useless that you keep replying about stereotypes and addressing naive positions to others...if you have nothing to say, why do you need writing? :D

well well there are several mistakes in what you are saying, probably due to lacking knowledge of the historical evolution of the northern italian scenery mixed with a bit of naive vision of the world :)

In any case, with or without garibaldi united italy IS still ineffectual, as seen in the various war that this state joined, never ending the war on the same side they began it :D. The "bunch of unimportant states" (as you called 'em) before uniting included such pearls as the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, or the Lombardo-Veneto under the Austro-Hungarian empire, and before that we can remember the powerful Most Seren Republic of Venice or the great Duchy of Milan, and so on...
Besides, the "romantic" experience of Galibbardo (as folks in the south called him...) would not have been in place without external "helps" by foreign states interested in creating a "cushion" and a barrier to Austrian Empire. Some "great" fights are still expecting a reasonable esplanation, for instance about how less than a thousand soldiers with ridicolous equipment won over ten times more soldiers, well equipped and trained...come on, it' s ridicolous propaganda :)

Again, about economics. In italy case, the southern region do not bring anything in...well to say truth they brought to northern region and to the whole world such wonderful things as mafia, camorra and so on...thank you very much... :headbang:
Calling them unimportant is exaggeration to make a point. There are over 3 dozen countries in Europe, and how many of them do people actually talk about? Ireland, UK, Spain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and Italy are most often mentioned. The individual Italian speaking states wouldn't have as much importance.

And I'm sure every Italian export comes from the North. That's regionalistic bullshit.

Calling them unimportant is exaggeration to make a point. There are over 3 dozen countries in Europe, and how many of them do people actually talk about? Ireland, UK, Spain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and Italy are most often mentioned. The individual Italian speaking states wouldn't have as much importance.

And I'm sure every Italian export comes from the North. That's regionalistic bullshit.


it's not regionalistic bullshit: it's true. if italian people are called mafiosi is because of the south. j know, not all the people from the south like mafia but all members of mafia are from the south, especially from sicily.

...but all members of mafia are from the south...

Prove it.

Alright! an italian-bashing thread :D

Alright! an italian-bashing thread :D
Nono! Just Southern Italy. ;)

yes but the people from the north have one great big drawback

they are mountain people







any "taxi" fans in the crowd?

yes but the people from the north have one great big drawback

they are mountain people







any "taxi" fans in the crowd?
Uhm. They are?
And even if so... what's the drawback?

.. and which 'taxi' are you referring to? I believe there were several movies (or is that not what you were talking about at all? *sigh*... confused again..)

I have traveled to almost all parts of Italy. It is true that the manufacturing is in the north of Italy. Agriculture dominates the south. How can you justify saying that one is worth more than the other? Who feeds the north? Who supplies the south with manufactured goods? What happened to being one big happy family? I have friends in the past that worked on farms here in the US. From what they say it is extremely tough work at times. I would think harder than sitting in some office in Milan. Every region I noticed had its own characteristics. I think it is foolish to name one over the other. I think all regions add to the overall quality of the Italian nation. I am an outsider been to over 50 nations now. Outside of my home the US. Italy has to be my favorite country. But it wouldnt be Italy without all regions involved.

Uhm. They are?
And even if so... what's the drawback?

.. and which 'taxi' are you referring to? I believe there were several movies (or is that not what you were talking about at all? *sigh*... confused again..)
tv show with andy kaufman in it.

suffice it to say that its flaming.

Prove it.

it's very easy: in italy there are 5 types of mafia: mafia (which is sicilian), ndangheta (from calabria), camorra (from neaples), sacra corona unita (puglia) and the newest: the stidda (even from sicily). all these regions are from the south.

yes but the people from the north have one great big drawback

they are mountain people







any "taxi" fans in the crowd?

mountain people? are you crazy? where are the mountains in milan? or in genova? or in venice? or in turin? or udine or trieste? or etc etc?

in the north there are a lot of mountains, but not just them.

Sicktown if you dont mind. How old are you and what is your background in a few words.

many people don't know the difference between the north and the south of italy. there is a big difference: the north works and the south laugh. the south of italy is just mafia (especially sicilian), mamma, and spaghetti. the people from the north are hard-working, quiet and friendly. the people from the south are lazy, brawlers and false. in the north of a italy live many people from the south and it's not good for the people from the north. most of public empleyees (over 90%) in the north of italy are from the south and they are very bad workers. there are 5 kinds of mafia in italy (ndrangheta, sacra corona unita, camorra and mafia and stidda) and all of them are from the south. please don't think that all italian are the same, we want a free northern italy.
That's funny. Substitute California for Italy, make a few other choice replacements and I think you'd capture the feelings of NOCAL types, too.

Greetings!

I am from Sicily. Some things are true what these Padanists (from N. Italy) say about the South. Some are not true however. What's true is that here the Mafia controlls about everything and is in control because of the Italian state. What's not true is that the people in Sicily are lazy. We are a hardworking dedicated people. We Sicilians are very different from Italians, we have a different mentality from other Italians, a different language and culture. We deserve freedom!


SICILIA LIBBIRA!

Well. Considering a few people seem to be serious about splitting up Italy, perhaps you should take this forum to an Italian website. Trying to convince English-speaking people of making Italy into separate independent regions will do nothing for you.

We've been doing that. :rolleyes:

Now we've taken ourselves to Angloforums. :D

mountain people? are you crazy? where are the mountains in milan? or in genova? or in venice? or in turin? or udine or trieste? or etc etc?

in the north there are a lot of mountains, but not just them.

Turin is host of the next Olympic winter games (skiing in the station of Sestriere), you have a great view on the mountains fom everywhere in the city. Same for Udine that lies on the foot of the east Alps. Trieste to has a great view on the mountains.

many people don't know the difference between the north and the south of italy. there is a big difference: the north works and the south laugh. the south of italy is just mafia (especially sicilian), mamma, and spaghetti. the people from the north are hard-working, quiet and friendly. the people from the south are lazy, brawlers and false. in the north of a italy live many people from the south and it's not good for the people from the north. most of public empleyees (over 90%) in the north of italy are from the south and they are very bad workers. there are 5 kinds of mafia in italy (ndrangheta, sacra corona unita, camorra and mafia and stidda) and all of them are from the south. please don't think that all italian are the same, we want a free northern italy.
Never really equated all of Italians as Mafia, but knew they exsisted.

thanks... never been to Italy. so any info about other countries is fun to read.

Turin is host of the next Olympic winter games (skiing in the station of Sestriere), you have a great view on the mountains fom everywhere in the city. Same for Udine that lies on the foot of the east Alps. Trieste to has a great view on the mountains.

wait wait. sestriere in near turin, it isn't in turin.

wait wait. sestriere in near turin, it isn't in turin.

Don't try to make a profit about every post. Have I said that Sestriere is in Turin, No! I only made it clear for you, an italian that apparently does not know his own country that Turin is seen, just like Grenoble as a mountain city.

BTW, I only live 30minutes away from Sestriere and know the station very well.

Greetings from Briançon (other side of the mountains) and our great station of Serre Chevalier where the trainings of the atlethes will take place, also, a part of the atlethes will stay here.

http://www.skifrance.fr/index.cfm?fuseaction=stations.plan&IDS=050027

hmmm...my dad's family is from Calabria. Castrovillari to be exact. I was told everybody in the family that were still there (most of the Severini's moved to either US or Argentina) were farmers or barbers. I've got one picture of my great grandmother, and it looks like she is the typical southern Italian widow...white hair in a bun, black dress although it looks as hot as hades. It looks like she was out in the country, so I'm guessing she may have been a farmer.

Don't try to make a profit about every post. Have I said that Sestriere is in Turin, No! I only made it clear for you, an italian that apparently does not know his own country that Turin is seen, just like Grenoble as a mountain city.

BTW, I only live 30minutes away from Sestriere and know the station very well.

Greetings from Briançon (other side of the mountains) and our great station of Serre Chevalier where the trainings of the atlethes will take place, also, a part of the atlethes will stay here.

http://www.skifrance.fr/index.cfm?fuseaction=stations.plan&IDS=050027

allright. but turin isn't seen as a mountain city in italy

allright. but turin in italy isn't sees as a mountain city.

I reserve myself to have another opinion about the Italian regard on Turin. My very prod Italian friends that live in the centre of Turin (one near the cathedral) see their city as the capital city of the mountains. Turin 2006 are wintergames, not summer games. And winter games are not held in Rome, Paris, NYC but in major mountain cities (not pitoresque mountain towns, but cities) like Grenoble (1968), Turin aso.

in turin there will be the indoor part of the olympic game (and it could be done even in algeri). all the outdoor sports will be played near turin (sestriere, etc) but not in turin. J've never heard abuot turin as the capital of the mountains in italy, but maybe in turin is different, J'll trust you. J'm sure that in all italy (except turin) nobody consider turin as the capital of the mountains. turin is considered the capital of cars industries.

As a friendly gesture, Sicktown, when you place "J" to express "myself", in that sort of term, English does not share that commonality with French terms. You want to say "I'll" or "I've" instead of "J'll" or "J've". Anyways.

thanks! is it J've unpolite? if yes I'm sorry, I didn't know. :rolleyes: ;)

You didn't know, so it wasn't unpolite. I just wanted to give you help on English grammar. At least you knew the 've 'll terms.

many people don't know the difference between the north and the south of italy. there is a big difference: the north works and the south laugh. the south of italy is just mafia (especially sicilian), mamma, and spaghetti. the people from the north are hard-working, quiet and friendly. the people from the south are lazy, brawlers and false. in the north of a italy live many people from the south and it's not good for the people from the north. most of public empleyees (over 90%) in the north of italy are from the south and they are very bad workers. there are 5 kinds of mafia in italy (ndrangheta, sacra corona unita, camorra and mafia and stidda) and all of them are from the south. please don't think that all italian are the same, we want a free northern italy.

First of all you cannot even say that is true. How do you even know this? You assume! Second of all if you are trying to make a point... SENTENCE STRUCTURE! Have you ever heard of capitalization, use it! And another thing, if you are talking about the mafia you capitalize it, just like you would a person or specific place. And Italy too, CAPITALIZE IT! A proper noun is a noun which names a specific person, place, or thing in which you capitalize the first letter of the word.... Now learn something from that.

Anyway, besides the grammar errors, none of this is true information, you give me the facts, and then we will see. You can't just assume these things its like saying the East coast of America works harder than the West coast. Or the Northern part of America has more money than the South. It's just not true.