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'Police shot bombers' reports New Zealander
09.07.05

A New Zealander working for Reuters in London says two colleagues witnessed the unconfirmed shooting by police of two apparent suicide bombers outside the HSBC tower at Canary Wharf in London.

The New Zealander, who did not want to be named, said the killing of the two men wearing bombs happened at 10.30am on Thursday (London time).

Following the shooting, the 8000 workers in the 44-storey tower were told to stay away from windows and remain in the building for at least six hours, the New Zealand man said.

www.nzherald.co.nz
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www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10334992

I give this about a %60 chance of being tragedy-wanking to boost sales/views.

Ah, Canary Wharf...

Hmm... I look forward to hearing more about it.

I give this about a %60 chance of being tragedy-wanking to boost sales/views.so far...I give it 10%

It'll be interesting to see if this develops any further.

so far...I give it 10%
I agree with the 60%, what I read was this was remotely triggered, planted bombs, high explosives, not the make a bomb, run-in and blow yourself up stuff.

so far all i got is this
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10334992

my news search engines do not show any london Police statement about this.
keep in mind it is early...

Ihatevacations']I agree with the 60%, what I read was this was remotely triggered, planted bombs, high explosives, not the make a bomb, run-in and blow yourself up stuff.
I got some police stetemets about the Bus being a suicide bomber...

how can the investigators tell so fast...I dont know :confused:

I got some police stetemets about the Bus being a suicide bomber...

how can the investigators tell so fast...I dont know :confused:
that was some uber suicide bombage then, didn't the yblow the bus in half?

Police officers have rebuilt the suicide bomber from body parts, then they have painted a smile on his face, and shooted him repeatadly with a double-barreled shotgon. Then they said to people "You have been avenged. Please reelect Tony Blair." They started dancing and contorting in grotesque positions, on disco music, with baby arms growing and protruding from their police helmets.

Then I woke up and realized I have to pee.

Wait...
"Shooting by police ... London" ?
I know there's an armed police force in the U.K., but it's a very big deal if they're involved. I'm not saying the bombing of a tower isn't a big deal, but it wouldn't be as casual as "police shot these people who had bombs strapped to themselves". Just something to consider with the whole bullshit factor.

Ihatevacations']that was some uber suicide bombage then, didn't the yblow the bus in half?
The suicide bomber would have to be ginormous to do that much damage. Im voting for a pre-placed radio bomb or timed bomb, maybe.

False reports of activities happen all the time after major events take place. Sometimes these reports go on for weeks until they eventually slow down after nothing else happens. Though i did find it intresting they evactuated 20,000 people earlier, but probably just them being touchy afterwards. Thats what happens really though, people get extra aware and begin to report lots of things they think they see or they just go out and tell rumors. This could very well be that..

The media loves to trump other media....so you will always see stories of We have an unconfermend report from my sisters cousins nefew says that two guys she cant remember the names off said they heard a report about maybe something happening.

And of course when the report is found to be horriblely wrong or even a lie the paper or news media can just claim they didnt report it they were just reporting the report.

I wonder how that Kiwi managed to witness that.

I wonder how that Kiwi managed to witness that.
He used the magical reporter powers that he possess, combined with the ability to emulate what is possibly the second most awkward bird designed, next to the Penguin.

He used the magical reporter powers that he possess, combined with the ability to emulate what is possibly the second most awkward bird designed, next to the Penguin.

Quit making fun of my national icon!

Quit making fun of my national icon!
Ill make fun of any national icon I damn well please.
Like France with its gender-bending amphibians :P

Ill make fun of any national icon I damn well please.
Like France with its gender-bending amphibians :Pwhat is the national icon of France?

I saw once the pic of "Le Coq" on their football uniform :D

what is the national icon of France?

I saw once the pic of "Le Coq" on their football uniform :D
yep here it is
Football Federation of France

http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:y9T5dx8JrVEJ:http://ancre.chez.tiscali.fr/symboles/coq2.jpeg

what is the national icon of France?

I saw once the pic of a Chicken on their football uniform :D

Yep, more specificly it's a cockrel.

Wait...
"Shooting by police ... London" ?
I know there's an armed police force in the U.K., but it's a very big deal if they're involved. I'm not saying the bombing of a tower isn't a big deal, but it wouldn't be as casual as "police shot these people who had bombs strapped to themselves". Just something to consider with the whole bullshit factor.

There's been several cases where British police/armed forces have very publically shot terrorists in the past; there was a very important case some years ago where several terrorist suspects (IRA members) were shot to death in Gilbraltar, for example. I don't know if this story is true, but shootings of terrorists are not unheard of in the UK.

I got some police stetemets about the Bus being a suicide bomber...

how can the investigators tell so fast...I dont know :confused:

They knew so fast because people on and outside the bus said the guy sat down and then exploded, and other witnesses said he kept reaching down into his bag, fiddling with something in there but never taking anything out or anything like that. Sus. The current theory is that either: he had tried to get onto a Tube train but been turned away because the Tube network was shut down so quickly and effectively, and decided to make a gesture anyway; the timer failed on this bomb when or before he'd planted it and he was trying to reset or disable it when he accidentally set it off; the bomb had nothing to do with him and had been left on the bus earlier.

They knew so fast because people on and outside the bus said the guy sat down and then exploded, and other witnesses said he kept reaching down into his bag, fiddling with something in there but never taking anything out or anything like that. Sus. The current theory is that either: he had tried to get onto a Tube train but been turned away because the Tube network was shut down so quickly and effectively, and decided to make a gesture anyway; the timer failed on this bomb when or before he'd planted it and he was trying to reset or disable it when he accidentally set it off; the bomb had nothing to do with him and had been left on the bus earlier.

sound reasonable...its a factible scenario...

any source you can share?

sound reasonable...its a factible scenario...

any source you can share?

...checking BBC.co.uk. Can't find owt that detailed, but that's what the police were saying in the news conference on BBC News 24 yesterday. Will source when I find something.

it's a load of trash. if armed poliece where brought in it would have been very public, and there for would be on the bbc website, which it isn't. i'd say it's rubbish.

New fish pie: Of course it's rubbish. Tragedy Wank is just the right term. If this had happened the BBC would have cut their programmes to it the moment it happened, and it'd be all over the website. Something like that would be HUGE; totally unmissable. Some fucker's getting his 15 minutes of fame.

In reference to the not-quite-intentional-suicide bombing theory, I show this: The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310442,00.html). I can - although I can't source myself - tell you that I heard that conference the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings) refers to on BBC News 24 (which often shows the same things that Radio 5 Live broadcasts).

it's a load of trash. if armed police where brought in it would have been very public, and there for would be on the bbc website, which it isn't. I'd say it's rubbish.
The first casualty of war is the truth.

the first statement was "Power Surge"

lately every Gov tries to hide small Terror attacks...some of them cant be disguised...What are the chances of 4 simultaneus power surges?

when the first plane hit the WTC The Gov was publicly implying an accident (all while tracking all planes..and getting ready to shoot them down)

when the second plane hit it was no longer possible to say tit was not a terror attack.

If you are a terrorist and you are trying to deliver a bloody "message" to x population...and it all passes like and accident...you failed.

The chances are you will get caught and your mission failed...Problem with that is that lately some do not get caught and deliver their bloody "message" a second time.

Still I find it strange that the chief of Police said that he knows nothing about any shooting when he was asked repeatedly

The first casualty of war is the truth.

the first statement was "Power Surge"

lately every Gov tries to hide small Terror attacks...some of them cant be disguised...What are the chances of 4 simultaneus power surges?

when the first plane hit the WTC The Gov was publicly implying an accident (all while tracking all planes..and getting ready to shoot them down)

when the second plane hit it was no longer possible to say tit was not a terror attack.

If you are a terrorist and you are trying to deliver a bloody "message" to x population...and it all passes like and accident...you failed.

The chances are you will get caught and your mission failed...Problem with that is that lately some do not get caught and deliver their bloody "message" a second time.

Have you ever considered that maybe sometimes the government actually doesn't get that kind of information that fast? The first information the government will have got about these bombs was (and this is how the Tube stations have worked out all the Underground bombs were simultaneous) when the phone lines and emergency lights suddenly went out in the tunnels. For a good few minutes they'll have seen three simultaneous power outages on the Tube network. Besides which, they thought they'd been spread out over an hour, so disparate was the incoming information, and I have a question related to that fact: It is wholly comprehensible why they would try to hide the bombs, but why would they try to hide the fact that all three power outages/bombs had happened at the same time? Only when the passengers got upstairs and started texting/calling the emergency services did the information start to come out.

Besides which, even if the government did try to hide anything, there is nothing sinister or ulterior about keeping the bombs quiet for an hour or two. Stops panic, stops mobile networks jamming, stops mass exodus.

Even after the bombs were admitted to be bombs there were still glaring inconsistencies in the official and journalistic reports right up until the next day. I remember News 24 at 2 in the morning on the 8th still talking about seven bombs. Seven is worse than four. Why, then, claim it to be seven if you're attempting to propagandise or ameliorate the situation?

Besides which, even if the government did try to hide anything, there is nothing sinister or ulterior about keeping the bombs quiet for an hour or two. Stops panic, stops mobile networks jamming, stops mass exodus.sinister is not the word I would use...

several weapons are used in war...Information is one of them...A very important weapon.