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http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/scitech/release.cfm?ArticleID=1098

Simply put: they are figuring out a way to make it possible to make meat in a lab on a large scale by culturing muscle cells taken from many varieties of animals.

My question is that, barring medical reasons why people have little or no meat in their diet, would vegans/vegetarians give up their diet choice and eat meat again? No animals are being hurt and with no fat on the meat the bad health effects are minimal.

Also: Would this also create an industry that provides a new type of meat that naturally come in a variety of flavours without the need for sauces/marinades.

Also, also: Would religions that disprove of meat eating be fine with meat eating now since no animals are being sacrificed?

Vegans should have gone extinct a long time ago.

Interesting... I dunno if vegetarians/vegans will open their minds when this finally comes into being, though.

Interesting... I dunno if vegetarians/vegans will open their minds when this finally comes into being, though.
Lets hope not. More meat for me! BEEF, its what's for dinner. (and breakfast, brunch, lunch, snacks, whatever!) My wife was a vegitarian before we got together, now she eats meat like she's a damn Lion!

Lets hope not. More meat for me! BEEF, its what's for dinner. (and breakfast, brunch, lunch, snacks, whatever!) My wife was a vegitarian before we got together, now she eats meat like she's a damn Lion!

I'm the same way. I can't get enough meat, though I can't afford enough, either.

*shrug*

Oh yeah, Vegans have the right to eat what they want, and I have the right to say they are ALL insane!

Wow, the obligatory attack on vegans came pretty damn fast there!
It sure does.

*shudder*

i expect there will be plenty of people who are unwilling to eat "meat" grown in a chemical vat.

I know one vegetarian who is a vegetarian because she does not like the taste of meat. So no, there will always be the odd few who are vegetarian for reasons other than a misplaced idealism.

As to not wanting to eat vat grown meat, do you also refuse to take most medicines?

My former neighbor was a vegitarian, but she never tried to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat. We could even eat meat in front of her. Now why can't all vegetarians be like that?

Will they go extinct? Ask me after the world ends...

Will 'real' meat eating go extinct? If cheap and widely available LabLamb (iCopyright;)) becomes available, and it tastes the same as normal meat, I'll be happy to switch, as meat from grazing animals is highly inefficient.

nah.

especially vegans, if they dont eat honey because it 'oppresses the bees'
or drink/eat dairy products for the same reason, they sure as hell arent going to eat meat, even if its vat-grown, since the original culture had to come from somewhere.

remember a couple in college who refused to drink alcohol because they were convinced yeast were animals. most of the vegans ive met are not quite scientifically literate.

*shudder*

i expect there will be plenty of people who are unwilling to eat "meat" grown in a chemical vat.

<TAP> <TAP> <TAP> Er... do you know where eggs come from? :eek:

<TAP> <TAP> <TAP> Er... do you know where eggs come from? :eek: :D Give me a vat any day of the week.

EDIT: Having said that, I still like eggs.

A message to the Vegetarians/Vegans:
For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three.
I'm just kidding, they're good people. I could never be a vegan for more than a week. I couldn't even stick to the dietary code when I was Muslim.

i think vegans are the most idiotic people alive besides atheists. especially when they are activists. the human body is designed to eat meat. thats why we have canine teeth.

i think vegans are the most idiotic people alive besides atheists. especially when they are activists. the human body is designed to eat meat. thats why we have canine teeth. :rolleyes: Just because we have canines, doesn't mean we have to eat meat. Thats why we have molars. Duh.

i think vegans are the most idiotic people alive besides atheists. especially when they are activists. the human body is designed to eat meat. thats why we have canine teeth.
We're omnivores actually.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
omnivores rule!

Eating meat artificially produced in a lab? Kind of...odd.

I'd still be vegetarian.

I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, but I'm not eating any lab-meat.

A lot of vegans doesn't eat meant for any real sensible reason. They just find it mildly revolting. It's not pitty, political or anything else of the sort. It's probably not wrong to compare it with how some hetero's veiw homosexuality. It's just disgusting...
The majority of vegans that I have met have done it out of a concern for animals. I have met many vegetarians that have become such because they don't like meat, but I find that it is generally a different sort of thing with full-on vegans and that most of them are vegan for reasons more resembling your own reasons.

Of course, I may just not have met a wide enough cross-section of vegans, and you may be right. I'm just noting my personal experiences with them.

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I see you have deleted your post. Would you like me to delete this response to it?

good for you, vegetarianguy. i have no problems with that. as long as you dont start the high & mighty moral crap

good for you, vegetarianguy. i have no problems with that. as long as you dont start the high & mighty moral crap

...Who was that directed towards?

The majority of vegans that I have met have done it out of a concern for animals. I have met many vegetarians that have become such because they don't like meat, but I find that it is generally a different sort of thing with full-on vegans and that most of them are vegan for reasons more resembling your own reasons.

Of course, I may just not have met a wide enough cross-section of vegans, and you may be right. I'm just noting my personal experiences with them.

EDIT:
I see you have deleted your post. Would you like me to delete this response to it?
Up to you mate.

Btw, my impression is maybe 50% are vegans for no apparent reason. But I know some odd people.

i have absolutely no problem with veagans, but dont go around proclaiming your veganism to the high heavens

i think vegans are the most idiotic people alive besides atheists. especially when they are activists. the human body is designed to eat meat. thats why we have canine teeth.
We're more geared towards plants, though. We have a long intestinal track and more molars than canines(4 canine teeth VS 8 molars). There are many nutrients we need that we can't get from meat. We CAN eat meat, but it's not all we're supposed to eat, and it's certainly not meant to be the majority of what we eat.


Eh, I don't eat much meat, but that's partially because I don't like the taste of most of it(the primary reason), partially because I dispise(sp?) the way animals are being factory farmed just to get meat, and partially because I don't need a lot of meat to stay healthy anyway. I disagree with the fanatics/extremists on both sides, though. (Meat eaters:"We're made to eat meat! You vegans/vegetarians are a bunch of bleeding heart sissies!" Veggie eaters:"Anyone who eats meat is a barbarian! Save the animals even if it means breaking the law to do so!")

Ezralia']...Who was that directed towards?
twas directide to the account of Ezralia me thinks

We're more geared towards plants, though. We have a long intestinal track and more molars than canines(4 canine teeth VS 8 molars). There are many nutrients we need that we can't get from meat. We CAN eat meat, but it's not all we're supposed to eat, and it's certainly not meant to be the majority of what we eat.


Eh, I don't eat much meat, but that's partially because I don't like the taste of most of it(the primary reason), partially because I dispise(sp?) the way animals are being factory farmed just to get meat, and partially because I don't need a lot of meat to stay healthy anyway. I disagree with the fanatics/extremists on both sides, though. (Meat eaters:"We're made to eat meat! You vegans/vegetarians are a bunch of bleeding heart sissies!" Veggie eaters:"Anyone who eats meat is a barbarian! Save the animals even if it means breaking the law to do so!")
true, we are made to eat both ,and we need to eat a balance to stay as healthy as possible, im not saying the extremists are going to die from lack of balanced nutrition, but it is more healthy to eat both

i dont kill to eat, i kill for revenge
Good code to live by, :sniper: but after you kill for revenge, you don't just waste the meat, do you? There are starving nations that would love to have your enemys fried up with some butter! Send em my way. I love me some red meat! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm not a veggie any more (I eat fish now)... but thought I'd throw in the scientifically proven fact that vegetarianism is more healthy than meat-eating, and that vegetarians do live longer. FACT. Also the 'what's natural' debate is kind of irrelevant in our society since rape is also natural but nobody uses that as a defense of rape.

Good code to live by, :sniper: but after you kill for revenge, you don't just waste the meat, do you? There are starving nations that would love to have your enemys fried up with some butter! Send em my way. I love me some red meat! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
good, idea, but ill send it to the starving cannibalistic tribes in south america and africa, theyd enjoy it more than you

I'm not a veggie any more (I eat fish now)... but thought I'd throw in the scientifically proven fact that vegetarianism is more healthy than meat-eating, and that vegetarians do live longer. FACT. Also the 'what's natural' debate is kind of irrelevant in our society since rape is also natural but nobody uses that as a defense of rape.
rape is not natural, it is some sick and twisted version of sex in wich one person, is bound and gagged while forcing to pleasure some drug addicted retard
:fluffle: RAPE RAPE!!!!

i wnder why gatlinburg isnt spouting out his uneducated ideals of vegitarinaism, or his rednecked positions on the vegan peoples in general.

the vegan style is getting big right now. i don't think its going away soon... stupid edge vegan kids. lol jk. im edge.. definately not vegetarian/vegan though...

I LOVE MY PEPERRONI PIZZA!!! and my ham and cheese subs

because you and i are using the same computer, and you were on at the time. i was sitting right here, stupid.

also,to have vegitarian ideals,i would have to agree with thim. LEARN PROPER GRAMMAR!!!! :mp5:

rape is not natural, it is some sick and twisted version of sex in wich one person, is bound and gagged while forcing to pleasure some drug addicted retard
:fluffle: RAPE RAPE!!!!
Rape is natural. One of the definitons of 'natural' is something like 'occurring in nature', if I am thinking correctly here.
Rape occurs in nature.

I am not saying that rape is right, I am trying to make the point that 'natural' is not synonymous with 'right'.

i think vegans are the most idiotic people alive besides atheists. especially when they are activists. the human body is designed to eat meat. thats why we have canine teeth.

I do not like the taste of meat, therefore I do not eat it, and therefore I am one of the most idiotic people alive? Well... thanks for that

And please no comments about how well it tastes. I do not like it, and noone, that meaning you, can convince me that it tastes well.

As I have said before, people shouldn't care of others diet. Thinking one is morally superior for eatting/not eatting something is just silly.

<TAP> <TAP> <TAP> Er... do you know where eggs come from? :eek:
they grow eggs in chemicl vats now???

havent you ever seen someone paying lots of extra money for "free range" eggs? do you think THOSE people would eat vat-grown meat?

I don't think that they will ever go "extict". When you talk about Extiction, normally it means an entire race of beings. Seeing as "Vegans" are not an entire race but a subset of the Human Race, there is no reason that they would ever go "extict".

Plus, there are many vegitables that carry the same nutrients as meats, so they are getting the same amount of nutrients as those of us who eat meat. So they are not "unhealthy" as some of you might call it.




p.s. They arn't getting unhealthy steriods pumped into them either. Like the unhealthy steriods that are pumped into the meat that we eat.

Oh yeah, Vegans have the right to eat what they want, and I have the right to say they are ALL insane!

I'm a vegan. Call me insane, then. Any grounds for this pronouncement?

We'd only have "We can't play God"-Vegetarians

No:

1). Some are veggie only because they don't like the taste of meat. This will not be eradicated.

2). Many (ignorant) will use the "Eww" factor, that this "Frankenfood" will turn us into cows because it's got "wrong DNA" in it.

3). Live animal-meat will remain, as it will taste better, more genuine than the new stuff. How the two actually taste relative to each other is irrelevant, as the real stuff will taste better. Critics will tell us so.

4). If a human foetus is to be afforded human rights from the moment of conception, some will claim the same is true of animals, and that humans have no right to breed "living animals" and kill them for meat.

I am not a vegetarian, let alone a vegan...wouldn't last three days as a vegan. I can imagine a few reasons people still wouldn't want to eat meat.

Hindus might object to it for religious reasons, or some would anyway.
Some don't like the taste.
Some would say it upsets their stomach or makes them sick.
Some won't touch chemical-made meat, though I imagine that more and more people will accept it given time.
They still believe it's animal flesh and won't touch it.

That said, the only vegetarians I have ever really kept the company of haven't been the militant vegetarians who yell at people for eating meat or wearing fur or whatever. I still remember two years ago in New York on a class trip where the group went to a Portuguese restaurant whose special was all-you-can-eat meat - one kind of meat after another served in chunks about the size of my fist. The majority of us ordered that, and the look on the face of our group's token vegetarian was damn near priceless.

Are those militant omnivores at it again, pushing their meat eating agenda down the throats of good hearted well intentioned vegetarians/vegans?

I'm a veggie, and although I still salivate at the smell of chicken or tuna, I don't think I would eat test tube meat. Not because of the quality or because of any problem I might have with (even more of)our food being developed in a lab, but because it's simply my lifestyle now. I feel that going back on meat would probably be the same effort as coming off it, and as I'm already pretty gastronomically(sp?) satisfied, I don't think I would bother.
Plus, I don't know about other veggies, but I feel quite proud that I've managed to stay off meat for so long :)
Although, there is only so much maccaroni(again sp?) and cheese one girl can take... :mp5:

http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/scitech/release.cfm?ArticleID=1098

Simply put: they are figuring out a way to make it possible to make meat in a lab on a large scale by culturing muscle cells taken from many varieties of animals.

My question is that, barring medical reasons why people have little or no meat in their diet, would vegans/vegetarians give up their diet choice and eat meat again? No animals are being hurt and with no fat on the meat the bad health effects are minimal.

Also: Would this also create an industry that provides a new type of meat that naturally come in a variety of flavours without the need for sauces/marinades.

Also, also: Would religions that disprove of meat eating be fine with meat eating now since no animals are being sacrificed?

As a veggie I'd eat meat produced that way, if it's efficient and cheap to make.

true, we are made to eat both ,and we need to eat a balance to stay as healthy as possible, im not saying the extremists are going to die from lack of balanced nutrition, but it is more healthy to eat both
Nope. Vegetarians aren't any less healthy than meat eaters due to not eating meat. There is nothing essential in meat that you can't get in other foods.

I personally dont have a problem with vegans. But I cant help to say that most vegans that I have personally met are a bit strange. I think that the Vegans personally have the problem with meat eaters. So if they can live with people eating meat then problem solved. I personally have nothing against people that dont eat meat neither do I know anyone that feels anything against them.

I personally dont have a problem with vegans. But I cant help to say that most vegans that I have personally met are a bit strange. I think that the Vegans personally have the problem with meat eaters. So if they can live with people eating meat then problem solved. I personally have nothing against people that dont eat meat neither do I know anyone that feels anything against them.

That's great. I wish more people were like you in that respect. I'm vegetarian and I have nothing against people who eat meat. My husband does. However, I often find that meat eaters want to attack me or make fun of me about vegetarian. It's none of their business what I eat, so they should just fuck off and leave me alone.

Vegans have their own way of life. It's not up to ANYONE to stop that.

:eek: A World without Vegans? OH MY GOD NO!

We need more Vegetarians. Lots more. Save the animals. Not all animals, mind you, we need to decrease the amount of meat eaten.

Remember what hot dogs are. We shouldn't use as much as we do now.

I'm vegetarian

Your nick tells it all. :D

As long as the population of Asia or the members of certain vegetraian faiths don't dwindle, we'll simply see more vegetarians in the world. Please note that the Asian diet is also less meat-orientated than the Western diet.

(Bloody White people! They seem to think that the only vegetarians are their hippie nut cases, while many Buddhists and Hindus are genuinely vegetarian.)

remember a couple in college who refused to drink alcohol because they were convinced yeast were animals. most of the vegans ive met are not quite scientifically literate.

That’s a rather distorted interpretation of mycotheism. We, in penance for they – the embodiment of our collective sins, flagellate ourselves to the staccato murmur of our blind, Most Sinuate seraph, who from His scrimshaw throne surely sees all – and weeps, streams sultry ichor from the velveteen lattice of ragged sockets; waiting, forever patient, in the limpid maw of Lascaux. For thus it is that every day is His Ashura and every land His Karbala.

Could Vegetarians/Vegans go extinct?

So ... they're a different species? Crazy!

I may occasionally eat meat if animals do not need to live thier lives in captivity and die for my dinner. I may not. I still don't know. What I do know, is that I don't eat dairy or eggs for the reasons of animal rights, and none of this new research has lead to cruelty-free alternatives to either. Besides that, I do not miss meat, dairy, or eggs. I have found vegan alternatives to (almost) all my old favourites (though I did send an e-mail to Chef Boyardee suggesting soy ravioli). A vegan life-style is healthier, for me and the planet. I see no reason to start to eat meat again.
Mostly, I'm thinking that it would be easier for me to eat out if it got to the point where they were serving this fake meat in restaurants.