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If so, listen to "The Frail" off the 1999 album, "The Fragile"
Then listen to "Everyday is Exactly the Same" off the new 2005 album, "The Hand that Feeds"

...interesting.

No. I keep mine trimmed nice and short. *nod*

No. I keep mine trimmed nice and short. *nod*

I like a little length in mine, because they can be quite useful. Eg, picking up small items like pins. Nine inches would certainly be impractical.

Thanks for sticking to the topic!

Thanks for sticking to the topic!

You're more than welcome.

I love me some NIN.

It's true what they said, Trent was just to damn smart and experimantal for his own good. I do like it, though.

Pretty Hate Machine was my "depressed" music for a while, when I was busy being whimpy and depressed over my unrequited love. Now it's kinda weird to listen to.

I really like The Hand That Feeds

Could you do me a favor and listen to the two songs mentioned in the first post?

Thanks for sticking to the topic!
Pick a band that doesn't suck, that makes it easier! Yep, easier!

I've been a huge fan since PHM, and I'm luvin' the new album.

Don't be so vague, what's the deal with the connection between both works?

Pick a band that doesn't suck, that makes it easier! Yep, easier!

Hear, hear!

I've been a huge fan since PHM, and I'm luvin' the new album.

Don't be so vague, what's the deal with the connection between both works?
Well, we'll try having this conversation amongst the trolling going on...

But anyway, "The Frail" is a very simplistic 1:54 piano piece...which sounds very similar to (if not, EXACTLY the same as) the intro section of "Everyday is Exactly the Same"

Well....the piano sounds different, but the chords are the same (and The Frail is just a chord progression)



I must admit...it would be interesting to see what bands the flamebaiters like, and then compare their musical contributions to those of Nine Inch Nails...but I doubt they'd understand the concept of "good" versus "what I prefer to listen to." For me, I understand the difference, realize that NiN fits in the "good" category, and interestingly enough...is also something I enjoy listening to...

One of the songs on "With Teeth" (I'm tired so I can't remember which right now) has a few lines strikingly similar to one of the songs on "Downward Spiral". Something about "A tiny little dot caught my eye...."

If you pay close attention to "With Teeth", it seems like it was all composed. Meter and other changes come in right on the minute - or on a minute and 30 seconds, and so forth. It's really interesting.

One of the songs on "With Teeth" (I'm tired so I can't remember which right now) has a few lines strikingly similar to one of the songs on "Downward Spiral". Something about "A tiny little dot caught my eye...."

If you pay close attention to "With Teeth", it seems like it was all composed. Meter and other changes come in right on the minute - or on a minute and 30 seconds, and so forth. It's really interesting.
According to Napster (although I've seen this no where else, I think Napster is a pretty reliant source), Trent Reznor does all the writing and for the recording, plays all the instruments, and is heavily involved in the production, and then he gets a band to play with him for concerts and such...and while the band may be consistent throughout an entire album, or through multiple albums, the only real "member" of Nine Inch Nails has been Trent Reznor, since the very beginning.

I'll look at some of the stuff you're talking about with "The Hand that Feeds."

:sniper: Take that off topic people!


NIN rocks, but their new album sucks. :fluffle:

Okay...looking at "The Hand that Feeds" album.

So far, the first track.

The main part of the song is 60 bpm (in other words, 1 beat every second...like playing to the clicking of the second hand on a clock).

...so it only would make sense that changes would come on exacts...

At 3:13 (after 190 beats, basically), the tempo changes to 120 bpm (which is just 2 beats every second...so it still makes sense for tempo changes to seem exact).

Then at 4:50, the tempo kind of disappears and it's just the chords...although there's still technically a tempo...it's not significant at this point.

:sniper: Take that off topic people!


NIN rocks, but their new album sucks. :fluffle:
The new album is more like the old stuff...which I really like...

NIN absolutely sucks.

and just so this isnt ignored as some asshole with different taste, i shall back up my statement.

1. the 'band' is relatively new, from the 90's. (well, maaaaaaaaybe late 80's im not really sure, but the point remains its new.

there, thats enough reasons right there.



ROCK IS FUCKING DEAD, PEOPLE.
Kurt Cobain killed it stone dead. he made it be 'hip', 'cool', and popular to suck at playing. I'm a better guitarist than him, and i play the fucking bass and dont even OWN a guitar.
Though it was really the whole 'grunge' movement that killed rock, i blame Cobain above all, as he was the figurehead of the movement and the biggest driving force behind it.



You want real music, go turn off all your lights, turn your speakers up as loud as they will go, and listen to Rush's 2112. Or Pink Floyd's The Wall (or Wish You Were Here, or Dark Side Of The Moon, or anything else by them). Or anything by Led Zeppelin, or The Who, or Black Sabbath, or Steve Vai, or Blue Oyster Cult, or Van Halen, or Queen.

oh, and any of you NIN fans who wear chains, always wear eyeliner, or have more than one piercing... do us all a favor and go play in traffic.
or any of you who think that NIN, Korn, Slipknot, and bands like them are Metal.

According to Napster (although I've seen this no where else, I think Napster is a pretty reliant source), Trent Reznor does all the writing and for the recording, plays all the instruments, and is heavily involved in the production, and then he gets a band to play with him for concerts and such...and while the band may be consistent throughout an entire album, or through multiple albums, the only real "member" of Nine Inch Nails has been Trent Reznor, since the very beginning.

I'll look at some of the stuff you're talking about with "The Hand that Feeds."
Thanks for making that clear... I'm no musician so what you said went over my head with progressive piano notes.

Either way, I'm enough of a fan to know that he recorded Pretty Hate Machine while he was a janitor at a recording studio, in the wee hours of the morning.

He has a lot more help now, and it has helped to flesh out the sound a great deal. But yes, he's pretty much a one-man-band compared to anyone else (totally was for the first album).

Anyone who knocks talent like that listens to shit, obviously. Or they don't like the fact that he's a little untouchable in the music scene, in many respects.

Talent? Trent Reznor has no talent. being big in todays music industry just means appealing to the right kinds of posers and tasteless assholes, and paying off all the people who run the big awards shows.

Thanks...but this thread isn't really for an uncivilised (and frankly, unfounded) bashing of Nine Inch Nails. It's for a civilised discussion of the band.


Now, about your specific arguments...

First off, I don't see the correlation between age and quality/influence/skill. Are you saying that in 50 years that Nine Inch Nails can be good then? (by the way, late 80s...which is made VERY evident by the really, really 80s-ish music video to Head Like a Hole)


Second, I don't see the correlation between rock and Nine Inch Nails, nor the correlation between livelihood and quality/influence/skill. After all, Nine Inch Nails isn't rock. Nine Inch Nails took New Age (also, not rock) and CREATED Industrial...

Third, what does Kobain's skill have anything to do with Reznor's skill? After all, Reznor plays multiple instruments, and that's not to mention his skills with synthesizers (both old-style, and more recently, the software synth stuff) and his hands-on involvement with the production end of the music, so it sounds like what HE wants it to sound like.

Fourth, the "some asshole with different taste" argument is nullified by your rant about "real rock," in which you list bands from an ENTIRELY different genre. In fact, if you want to list bands in the same genre as Nine Inch Nails, you have to list bands that came around AFTER Nine Inch Nails.

Fifth, I've already stated Nine Inch Nails' genre. Not rock. Not metal. Industrial. And I'll have you know that I were typical college-student garbs--jeans, t-shirts, Puma shoes some days...Vans on others..., I have no peircing, my hair is its original color, I don't even style it at all...and I also have no tattoos...also, I DO play in traffic...but what does ANY of this have to do with Nine Inch Nails' quality/influence/skill?

yes, there are those people, and there are those people who make it with talent, and Trent is one of them. Seriously, you compose an entire album yourself and we'll see how it sounds.

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's not talented.

And he refused to play the MTV music awards, because they didn't want him to perform the song "The Hand That Feeds" in front of a picture of Bush, so he just said "fuck you" and left.

I'm not saying that to show he is badass or anything, just pointing out that he wouldn't play ball with the awards show people

And he refused to play the MTV music awards, because they didn't want him to perform the song "The Hand That Feeds" in front of a picture of Bush, so he just said "fuck you" and left.

I'm not saying that to show he is badass or anything, just pointing out that he wouldn't play ball with the awards show people
Pretty strong evidence that he's not just trying to appeal...not to mention the fact that all bands are simply trying to appeal, so they can sell records.

Seriously. It's like those people complaining about suicide messages encrypted in songs. Do you seriously think these artists would prefer not to have an audience?

see, first off, anyone who calls industrial a genre is just plain stupid. its grunge plus goth plus the barest hint of metal. as sad as it may be, its rock. well, its a subgenre of rock.

my rant about cobain is mostly just me being pissed off in general and going off on a tangent, but the point remains that any music after the cobain-headed rise of grunge sucks, unless the band or artist makes an obvious effort to BE good, BE a virtuoso, and NOT be mainstream (I.E. Steve Vai, if any of you like Frank Zappa then check him out).

and finally, im going to shut up now because i dont belong here, im not going to change my mind, and im not going to change YOUR mind either.

So, what you're saying is not only that Reznor not only has no talent, but that he also is trying to be mainstream?

Your judge of talent is based purely on your taste of music, which isn't appropriate. At all. Anyone with a degree in any music field will agree with me.

Have you ever even had the slightest bit of music theory taught to you?

Oh by the way, anyone questioning Reznor's talent should listen to "A Warm Place" on "The Downward Spiral" album. This song is so descriptive, and yet not a single word is stated in anyway throughout the entire song.

Are NIN fans called NINnies?

If not, may I advance this as not just a nickname, but as a pejorative term as well?

The only thing about the NIN that is remotely interesting, is that their best song,,,,,

WASN'T PLAYED/SUNG BY THEM! :eek:

Johnny Cash lives on.

The only thing about the NIN that is remotely interesting, is that their best song,,,,,

WASN'T PLAYED/SUNG BY THEM! :eek:

Johnny Cash lives on.

Johnny Cash, dead set legend.

I bought there new album but dont have any of the previous 3 or is it more.

I know of at least 2 others.

I felt the new Album has some good tracks and although ive only listened to it once it can only get better.

Second, I don't see the correlation between rock and Nine Inch Nails, nor the correlation between livelihood and quality/influence/skill. After all, Nine Inch Nails isn't rock. Nine Inch Nails took New Age (also, not rock) and CREATED Industrial...



Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Trent Reznor created industrial? He started his stuff in the late 80s. Einsturzende Nebauten were doing industrial back in 81. I'm not even claiming they created industrial, but I know for a fact they were doing it before Trent got got his start.

Trent Reznor is an artist; but NIN is NOT a band. For a band you need... members. Trent just keeps playing with session musicians. All that tells me is that he's insecure to think of himself as a solo artist.

http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-259781-bio--Nine-Inch-Nails

"It isn't really accurate to call NIN a group; the only official member is singer/producer/multi-instrumentalist Trent Reznor,"

BTW: www.nin.com SUCKS!

The topic, dear ladies and gents, is for Nine Inch Nails FANS to discuss the merits of the band/music/albums. If thou wouldst care to write about how much you hate the band, I suggest strongly a new thread where that would be ON TOPIC.

Second, I don't see the correlation between rock and Nine Inch Nails, nor the correlation between livelihood and quality/influence/skill. After all, Nine Inch Nails isn't rock. Nine Inch Nails took New Age (also, not rock) and CREATED Industrial...



1. THROBBING GRISTLE, SKINNY PUPPY, EINSTERZENDE NEUBAUTEN, FRONT 242 were all Industrial originators around long before NIN/Reznor brought his watered down version of the genre to the MTV masses.

2. I LOVE Industrial music, but quite frankly, the only NIN album I can consider being a decent example of the genre is and EP of remixes from ther mid-90s (FIXED)

3. You'd have to to have been in high school or college in the early-mid 90s to appreciate just how insanely fucking MAINSTREAM NINs music once was.

4. Without even listening to either track you mentioned @ the begining of the thread, I can say: So what? Artists & Musicians borrow and extrapolate from their earlier works all the time.

5. For making this thread, I grant you medal! Now hold still while I pin it through your chest.

1. the 'band' is relatively new, from the 90's. (well, maaaaaaaaybe late 80's im not really sure, but the point remains its new.

there, thats enough reasons right there.

That's a pretty bad rationale. By that logic, Zepplin sucks and the Yardbirds rule. :rolleyes:
Everything is "new" at some point. Are you saying you don't like Velvet Revolver, Ra, or Evanescence?

Further, I see your name is a combination of Dokken and Skid Row. Neither of which are old bands by your thinking. (Never mind that neither band was ever that great... but I digress.)
Old does NOT necessarily mean good! I can point to MANY bands on that case... like Firehouse, Winger, Warrant or Dead Or Alive.

ROCK IS FUCKING DEAD, PEOPLE.

It's been in decline for awhile, but it's making a comback. The current Queensryche/Judas Priest tour is great. What about Maiden being in OZZFEST?!?

Other new bands are making solid records, such as the White Stripes, Dream Theatre, Coldplay, and Green Day. Queensryche is recording Operation:Mindcrime 2!

How about U2? They alive enough for you?

No, it won't ever be the way rock was in Reagan's America. But time moves on and things evolve.

Kurt Cobain killed it stone dead. he made it be 'hip', 'cool', and popular to suck at playing. I'm a better guitarist than him, and i play the fucking bass and dont even OWN a guitar.

Dude, I know people that would argue that IS rock, since the 1960s! PUNK WAS THAT! You think the Sex Pistols could actually play?!?

As for Cobain, you're on target otherwise. I never liked him nor Nirvana.

You want real music, go turn off all your lights, turn your speakers up as loud as they will go, and listen to Rush's 2112. Or Pink Floyd's The Wall (or Wish You Were Here, or Dark Side Of The Moon, or anything else by them). Or anything by Led Zeppelin, or The Who, or Black Sabbath, or Steve Vai, or Blue Oyster Cult, or Van Halen, or Queen.

That's great if it's 1985 and you're in high school.
Those are great bands, and I listen to them regularly. But VH hasn't made a good album in over a decade.
Rush is still making good music, and so is BOC, though they've faded into a nostalgia act at this point. Why mention Vai and not Satriani?

oh, and any of you NIN fans who wear chains, always wear eyeliner, or have more than one piercing... do us all a favor and go play in traffic. or any of you who think that NIN, Korn, Slipknot, and bands like them are Metal.

Dude, as opposed to the fingerless gloves and spandex? Goth has been around for 20 years at least. Ever go to a Sisters of Mercy show back in the day? How about a Cure show?

They *are* metal. You just need to turn the page on the calendar. ;)
(BTW: For the record, I'm 32.)

NIN absolutely sucks.

and just so this isnt ignored as some asshole with different taste, i shall back up my statement.

1. the 'band' is relatively new, from the 90's. (well, maaaaaaaaybe late 80's im not really sure, but the point remains its new.

there, thats enough reasons right there.



ROCK IS FUCKING DEAD, PEOPLE.
Kurt Cobain killed it stone dead. he made it be 'hip', 'cool', and popular to suck at playing. I'm a better guitarist than him, and i play the fucking bass and dont even OWN a guitar.
Though it was really the whole 'grunge' movement that killed rock, i blame Cobain above all, as he was the figurehead of the movement and the biggest driving force behind it.



You want real music, go turn off all your lights, turn your speakers up as loud as they will go, and listen to Rush's 2112. Or Pink Floyd's The Wall (or Wish You Were Here, or Dark Side Of The Moon, or anything else by them). Or anything by Led Zeppelin, or The Who, or Black Sabbath, or Steve Vai, or Blue Oyster Cult, or Van Halen, or Queen.

oh, and any of you NIN fans who wear chains, always wear eyeliner, or have more than one piercing... do us all a favor and go play in traffic.
or any of you who think that NIN, Korn, Slipknot, and bands like them are Metal.:upyours:
That's absolutely wonderful that you're a better guitarist that Kurt Cobain ever was. But it wasn't him that changed everything (for the better IMO, for the worse in yours), it was the people who weren't too excited about the next Poison single. There wasn't much decent new rock on the radio by 1991.

The bands you mention are mostly good, but I think you're basically showing your taste. You seem to be a big on technical proficiency, being a fan of Rush, Van Halen, and Steve Vai. I like Vai, can only sometimes enjoy rush, and hate Van Halen. But I know there's talent there, even if I don't like it. Your whole argument seems to be that NIN was born after all rock began to suck, therefore NIN sucks. That's not a great argument.

As far as what's metal - who cares? I think of Slipknot as metal, Korn as metal-ish, and NIN as NIN. Arguing over what's "real metal" is one of my least favorite pastimes.

If so, listen to "The Frail" off the 1999 album, "The Fragile"
Then listen to "Everyday is Exactly the Same" off the new 2005 album, "The Hand that Feeds"

...interesting.
I don't own the new album. Is it any good? I don't like the title track from it, which was released as a single.

1) Don't like NIN? This isn't the thread for you.

2) Complaining that NIN is "mainstream"? So what? Mainstream doesn't automatically mean something sucks. If you think it does then you're a poser who listens to music because he thinks it makes him unique and cool rather than because he likes the sound.

3) Musical taste is a subjective thing. If you want to say that you don't like a certain band, fine, go ahead. If you have to repeat that fact ad-nauseum and try to insult those who do like that band you're just being a prick.

oh, and any of you NIN fans who wear chains, always wear eyeliner, or have more than one piercing... do us all a favor and go play in traffic.


Does me, a male wearing make-up, hurt your sensibilities?

Fucking A, mission completed :D