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The terrorist attacks on london. So much potential but were used to hit civilians instead of imperialist institutions. There's going to be a brutal police/ governmental backlash. It'll encourage racism and harsher immigration laws. People will be convinced that this is all the "crazy ragheads" fault instead of looking into how we have treated arab countries in the past. The right wing press will jump all over the incident and talk about it for months. Those killed will become political tools instead of being treated with honour as the victims of what is, when it comes down to it, a war.

Also I have an insect bite on the small of my back.

Both enrage me.

I have illustrated my feelings in the following picture
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3769/grrrr0pw.jpg

I know, I know, Terrorism is great when it doesn't kill people. They should have blown up Parliment or something.

LOL!!!

Thats about the only reply to that outcry i can think of!

The terrorist attacks on london. So much potential but were used to hit civilians instead of imperialist institutions. There's going to be a brutal police/ governmental backlash. It'll encourage racism and harsher immigration laws. People will be convinced that this is all the "crazy ragheads" fault instead of looking into how we have treated arab countries in the past. The right wing press will jump all over the incident and talk about it for months. Those killed will become political tools instead of being treated with honour as the victims of what is, when it comes down to it, a war.

Also I have an insect bite on the small of my back.

Both enrage me.I sympathize with the insect bite.

The terrorist attacks on london. So much potential but were used to hit civilians instead of imperialist institutions. There's going to be a brutal police/ governmental backlash. It'll encourage racism and harsher immigration laws. People will be convinced that this is all the "crazy ragheads" fault instead of looking into how we have treated arab countries in the past. The right wing press will jump all over the incident and talk about it for months. Those killed will become political tools instead of being treated with honour as the victims of what is, when it comes down to it, a war.

Also I have an insect bite on the small of my back.

Both enrage me.
<snip (because paint enrages me)>
Aw, I'm sowwy.
Have a bannana!

Seriously though, there is a major problem with you if you are more troubled by someone saying "raghead" a few hundred more times and harsher immigration laws then by murder, wounds, and mayhem.

I don't think that "they" could have blown the Parliament,it's impossible.For me the main goal of these attacks is putting the public view on the problems of the arab nations.Instead it will only justify the harsh measures that will follow.President Bush stated that "the War against terrorism continues".I'm almost sure that the response and the counter-response of both sides will be folllowed only by more casulties.

Aw, I'm sowwy.
Have a bannana!

Seriously though, there is a major problem with you if you are more troubled by someone saying "raghead" a few hundred more times and harsher immigration laws then by murder, wounds, and mayhem.

I am troubled by murder, wounds and mayhem but I recognised that the British government had dealt out so much of it that this was obviously going to happen and will only lead to more suffering eventually

I have illustrated my feelings in the following picture
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3769/grrrr0pw.jpg
*runs away screaming*


mummy its the terrorists!! :eek:


;)

Aw, I'm sowwy.
Have a bannana!

Seriously though, there is a major problem with you if you are more troubled by someone saying "raghead" a few hundred more times and harsher immigration laws then by murder, wounds, and mayhem.

I agree. Maybe if you grow up you'll realize that whatever a nation's government has done to treat another nation or group of people poorly (which is generally subjective), there is NEVER a reason or an excuse to attack the innocent, defenseless men, women, and children of that country. You talk about the "potential" to kill "imperialists." You sicken me. I wonder what you would say about the rightness of terrorism if your father, mother, sister, brother, husband, wife, daughter, son, uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, friend, or anyone else you care for was killed by the extremists who see anyone as a morally viable target. I'd be willing to bet that your opinions on terrorism would change radically. Your stance is truly deplorable. I hope your bug bite festers, and you die of malaria. Have a good day and a pleasant weekend.

I am troubled by murder, wounds and mayhem but I recognised that the British government had dealt out so much of it that this was obviously going to happen and will only lead to more suffering eventually

That's why this is so shocking. Terrorism used to be committed by the strong (US and Britain) against the weak (Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, etc.). Now it is the other way around, and we are left clueless as to "why they hate us." Perhaps it had something to do with British involvement in overthrowing a secular President in Iran and replacing him with the Shah for the "crime" of nationalizing the oil industry and threatening the remnants of England's colonial empire? Naw, they just hate our freedom, so we should give it up to fight them.

-pic- Very........uh.............creative. ;)

*Sigh*.

Roads, railways, sanitation, medical care, scientific and technical education, increased wealth, religions that don't involve eating people's hearts/eyes/brains/whole bodies.

I'm sure they'd be very, very happy without those.

I agree. Maybe if you grow up you'll realize that whatever a nation's government has done to treat another nation or group of people poorly (which is generally subjective), there is NEVER a reason or an excuse to attack the innocent, defenseless men, women, and children of that country. You talk about the "potential" to kill "imperialists." You sicken me. I wonder what you would say about the rightness of terrorism if your father, mother, sister, brother, husband, wife, daughter, son, uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, friend, or anyone else you care for was killed by the extremists who see anyone as a morally viable target. I'd be willing to bet that your opinions on terrorism would change radically.

All I said was that some targets are legitimate as a response to the violence inflicted upon the different oppressed groups across the world. If they had bombed parliament, buckingham palace or a local military base, etc. I would support their action. Deaths are caused by the people who work there.

Your stance is truly deplorable. I hope your bug bite festers, and you die of malaria. Have a good day and a pleasant weekend.
You want me to die for having a non mainstream opinion? Real nice double standard you got going there

Very........uh.............creative. ;)
Im going to choose to take that as a compliment.

Im going to choose to take that as a compliment.I hope you understand my use of sarcasm. It would be sad if you don't. :rolleyes:

I'm pissed because the ice cream man just left without me. Goddammit. I REALLY wanted ice cream!

All I said was that some targets are legitimate as a response to the violence inflicted upon the different oppressed groups across the world. If they had bombed parliament, buckingham palace or a local military base, etc. I would support their action. Deaths are caused by the people who work there.


You want me to die for having a non mainstream opinion? Real nice double standard you got going there

No, I was mainly exaggerating. If I wanted you to die, it would be because you want people to die because a man wants to take justice into his own hands and take lives.

What do you think the G-8 summit was about? Giving more aid to places like Africa, which needs aid far more than most Arab nations. And yet the terrorists attack during the middle of it, to try and send a message of fear.

The world, I truly believe, has begun to wake up to the fact that many of the more powerful nations have caused death, hunger, and oppression, whether intentionally or not. We try to take measures to atone for past mistakes, and to prevent new injustices (Africa). And yet there are those who wish to kill people who, if you asked them, would feel genuinely sorry for all the wrongs that their country has perpetrated during its long history and sincerely want to help those hungry, fearful, and oppressed of the world. It is these attackers that I hate.

I'm pissed because the ice cream man just left without me. Goddammit. I REALLY wanted ice cream!What flavor? Tell me and I'll make sure not to bring any on my next trip to California. :p

I've long found it futile to argue with people who hold views such as those expressed in the first post in this thread, and as such I've made it a personal goal to avoid such topics, but recognizing what happened yesterday and seeing this topic as a result of a link sent to me by a good friend, I feel it necessary to post a response. Make of it what you will.

Examining the various things I've heard in the wake of September 11 expressing criticism of the War on Terrorism, I've reached a conclusion, that being there are some people who just don't get it, and until something truly cataclysmic affects them personally, they can't and won't be able to understand the effects of something as horrible as what happened yesterday.

There have always been and will always be people that fervently protest anything advocated by a government, no matter how just or warranted the advocated action is, based solely on the fact that it is advocated by a government or party that goes against ideals that they hold. This is a natural part of any society and is to be expected. It is also natural that when something so terrible and incomprehensibly opposed to the inborn sense of right and wrong as what happened yesterday, one will search for a place to put blame. For Dhomme, his outlet is the government that he abhores so, due to the fact that he personally did not elect it and it advocated policies that he personally does not choose to advocate. I will not attempt to change his mind simply because of the fact that his moral compass is telling him that the blame rests with the government and violence must be repayed with violence.

For someone locked in a mindset like this, it is impossible to shed light on the murderous ideology of the people who commit such attrocities, those who see anyone dwelling in a nation of 'infidels', armed or otherwise, as viable targets for mass slaughter. It is the ideal of the wahabbist that the infidel is a creature hated by Allah, and must therefore be killed. Whether the victim is an adult, a child, male or female does not factor into the equation. There are only the righteous and the heretical.

It is impossible to convince one of aforementioned mindset that no matter the actions a nation's government takes or has before taken against these people, provocation is only an afterthought justification. Murder of the innocent is advocated by the murderers' faith, and there is no further reason needed to slaughter the unbelievers.

What happened yesterday was a dreadful, dreadful attrocity, one that should never have been allowed by anyone's God. Fifty people are no longer on this Earth because of it, and I must stress to DHomme that if one of those fifty people were a brother, a sister, a father, a mother, an uncle, aunt, or cousin he would not be suggesting anyone else, be it a soldier, a politician, a president, or a prime minister as a 'legitimate target.'

I'll leave you with the following, again, make of it what you will.

"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime."
Ernest Hemingway

Please forgive any typos or grammatical errors. I'm rather tired and my hands are a bit shaky.

The terrorist attacks on london. So much potential but were used to hit civilians instead of imperialist institutions. There's going to be a brutal police/ governmental backlash. It'll encourage racism and harsher immigration laws. People will be convinced that this is all the "crazy ragheads" fault instead of looking into how we have treated arab countries in the past. The right wing press will jump all over the incident and talk about it for months. Those killed will become political tools instead of being treated with honour as the victims of what is, when it comes down to it, a war.

Also I have an insect bite on the small of my back.

Both enrage me.

I have illustrated my feelings in the following picture
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3769/grrrr0pw.jpg
You silly bug-bitten bastard! How dare you flounce in here with your jaded claims that it was ultimately caused by "imperialism". Any terrorist attck is a bad thing, committed by those too cowardly to fight a real battle. Also, the crazy ragheads are the anemy so why the problem. If one religious (not racial) group is where the terrorists come from then a backlash is to be expected and a heavy police clampdown is good if that is what is needed to keep the UK safe.

No, I was mainly exaggerating. If I wanted you to die, it would be because you want people to die because a man wants to take justice into his own hands and take lives.

What do you think the G-8 summit was about? Giving more aid to places like Africa, which needs aid far more than most Arab nations. And yet the terrorists attack during the middle of it, to try and send a message of fear.

The world, I truly believe, has begun to wake up to the fact that many of the more powerful nations have caused death, hunger, and oppression, whether intentionally or not. We try to take measures to atone for past mistakes, and to prevent new injustices (Africa). And yet there are those who wish to kill people who, if you asked them, would feel genuinely sorry for all the wrongs that their country has perpetrated during its long history and sincerely want to help those hungry, fearful, and oppressed of the world. It is these attackers that I hate.

Wrongs perpetrated! I think it is obvois that whatever the problems caused by the powerful nations, the benefits they have brought have been far greater. Africa should recieve no aid, except for emergency aid. For improvements to be trully meaning ful they must be implemented by the work of the african people, not by aid. Make trade fairer and then Africa can stand on its own two feet. Also far more of the "death, hunger, and oppression" that you speak of has been caused by the africans themselves. Your tired 'lets blame the imperialists and the west' approach no longer holds water. Africa has caused most of its own problems and it should solve them itself.

No replies eh? It seems that the stunning quality of my arguments have dazzled you all into silence!

So much potential but were used to hit civilians instead of imperialist institutions.

They do that in the hopes that the government will do what they want in order to protect the civilians. Since, theoretically, that is the role of government.

However, many Western governments have this self-righteous superiority about them, so it doesn't work.

All I said was that some targets are legitimate as a response to the violence inflicted upon the different oppressed groups across the world. If they had bombed parliament, buckingham palace or a local military base, etc. I would support their action. Deaths are caused by the people who work there.


You want me to die for having a non mainstream opinion? Real nice double standard you got going there

No government, anywhere, ever can make the claim that it does not have blood on its hands. Via action or inaction, intervention or non-intervention, peace or war, there is always death. Had we not invaded Iraq for example the west would have been deemed responsible for allowing a brutal and murderous dictator to remain in power and continue killing, the fact that we did intervene means that we are deemed responsible for causing a domestic conflict where casualties are inevitable. If your condemnation of our MPs is that "they cause deaths" and that alone, then it is a condemnation that is sadly lacking.

Regardless, we have not "inflicted violence" upon anyone - western governments do not make it their policy to target civilians. It attempts to promote universal values such as democracy, freedom and human rights. Conflicts arise when various people for various reasons decide that their nation would be better off living in tyranny and fear and accordingly attack both westerners and their domestic citizens alike. You would do well to note that the people who have suffered the greatest number of casualties in terrorist attacks are the Arabs themselves.

The British parliament stands for democracy, freedom and the rule of law. Islamic terrorism stands for oppression, intolerance, and tyranny.
Pick your side.

I agree. Maybe if you grow up you'll realize that whatever a nation's government has done to treat another nation or group of people poorly (which is generally subjective), there is NEVER a reason or an excuse to attack the innocent, defenseless men, women, and children of that country. You talk about the "potential" to kill "imperialists." You sicken me. I wonder what you would say about the rightness of terrorism if your father, mother, sister, brother, husband, wife, daughter, son, uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, cousin, friend, or anyone else you care for was killed by the extremists who see anyone as a morally viable target. I'd be willing to bet that your opinions on terrorism would change radically. Your stance is truly deplorable. I hope your bug bite festers, and you die of malaria. Have a good day and a pleasant weekend.
Then Explain why we are bombing the shit out of the middleast contantly.

Wrongs perpetrated! I think it is obvois that whatever the problems caused by the powerful nations, the benefits they have brought have been far greater. Africa should recieve no aid, except for emergency aid. For improvements to be trully meaning ful they must be implemented by the work of the african people, not by aid. Make trade fairer and then Africa can stand on its own two feet. Also far more of the "death, hunger, and oppression" that you speak of has been caused by the africans themselves. Your tired 'lets blame the imperialists and the west' approach no longer holds water. Africa has caused most of its own problems and it should solve them itself.

While the argument that Africa should solve its own problems and stand on its own two feet i agree with. The idea that the west isnt partially responsible for the state of Africa is Bullshit. no offense

I know, I know, Terrorism is great when it doesn't kill people. They should have blown up Parliment or something.

I seriously hope you don't mean that. It's a hard job being a politician. You get elected because people wan't you to represent them, then all the people do is insult them and tell them what a bad job they're doing. Do you think that maybe if everybody started supporting the government and respecting politicians then they might actually start doing things right. Before you insult them why don't you become one (ie, assuming you aren't one already). Try being a little more patriotic.

I seriously hope you don't mean that. It's a hard job being a politician. You get elected because people wan't you to represent them, then all the people do is insult them and tell them what a bad job they're doing. Do you think that maybe if everybody started supporting the government and respecting politicians then they might actually start doing things right. Before you insult them why don't you become one (ie, assuming you aren't one already). Try being a little more patriotic."Be patriotic -- fight the government!"

I forget in whose siggy that was...

I seriously hope you don't mean that. It's a hard job being a politician. You get elected because people wan't you to represent them, then all the people do is insult them and tell them what a bad job they're doing. Do you think that maybe if everybody started supporting the government and respecting politicians then they might actually start doing things right. Before you insult them why don't you become one (ie, assuming you aren't one already). Try being a little more patriotic.
GOD you need help!
Do EVEN know how much money a politician gets, such as a senator?
NO sir, screw the opinions and polotics they are in for the MONEY

Wrongs perpetrated! I think it is obvois that whatever the problems caused by the powerful nations, the benefits they have brought have been far greater. Africa should recieve no aid, except for emergency aid. For improvements to be trully meaning ful they must be implemented by the work of the african people, not by aid. Make trade fairer and then Africa can stand on its own two feet. Also far more of the "death, hunger, and oppression" that you speak of has been caused by the africans themselves. Your tired 'lets blame the imperialists and the west' approach no longer holds water. Africa has caused most of its own problems and it should solve them itself.

HA, no i think the original problem was that europe screwed them over, and then gave them their freedoms and everything, just like that, without explaining how to do anything. The only thing they knew how to do well at that point was be ruled by a dictator, in all seroisness, and were just like..screw you, you dont want us WE DONT WANT YOU, and that seems to be the extent of it

I seriously hope you don't mean that. It's a hard job being a politician. You get elected because people wan't you to represent them, then all the people do is insult them and tell them what a bad job they're doing. Do you think that maybe if everybody started supporting the government and respecting politicians then they might actually start doing things right. Before you insult them why don't you become one (ie, assuming you aren't one already). Try being a little more patriotic.

this thread seems to link with several where i;ve given my opinion. terrorism is wrong. so is war. it wouldn't be a good thing for them to bomb parliament (CC, i agree with you there) but i can see why they would. It is arguably more wrong for tehm to bomb random civilians. We have done the same in war, bombed military/gov targets and hit civilians.

however, i feel no need to be patriotic. i dn't love my country or many of the things it represents and don't particularly want to sacrifice for it. i don't think its wrong to criticise ourpoliticians, but it is wrong to wish them death. i prefer the definitions on: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=patriotism according to some of them i might be patriotic, like teh badges i've seen saying 'true patriots ask q's'

What flavor? Tell me and I'll make sure not to bring any on my next trip to California. :p
Uh....mint....yeah mint!

Uh....mint....yeah mint!^_^ Really? :p

Ridiculous original post.

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Ridiculous original post.

BNow the way I see that, 1/2 was sarcastic and 1/2 was not...because it is ridiculous, but it is definitely not original.

Just "pissed off" at the bombings??? :rolleyes:

Now the way I see that, 1/2 was sarcastic and 1/2 was not...because it is ridiculous, but it is definitely not original.

Just "pissed off" at the bombings??? :rolleyes:

Forgive me. Allow me to rephrase.

Ridculous first post.

I don't believe there is much more I or anyone else needs to say to rebut it. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should be "pissed off" at an insect bite. They need to eat too.

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Forgive me. Allow me to rephrase.

Ridculous first post.

I don't believe there is much more I or anyone else needs to say to rebut it. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should be "pissed off" at an insect bite. They need to eat too.

BBut this isn't DHomme's first post...

Ok, Ok, I know what you mean. :p

Well, insects piss a lot of people off -- me for example, can't stand the little buggers. *tries to think of a smilie to insert here and fails* But the bombings? You can be shocked, appalled, horrified, furious, sad, or even happy (if you're crazy like me) at the bombings, but just annoyed??? :headbang:

But this isn't DHomme's first post...

Ok, Ok, I know what you mean. :p

Well, insects piss a lot of people off -- me for example, can't stand the little buggers. *tries to think of a smilie to insert here and fails* But the bombings? You can be shocked, appalled, horrified, furious, sad, or even happy (if you're crazy like me) at the bombings, but just annoyed??? :headbang:

Wouldn't that simply be an example of the usual British stereotypical understatement?

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So much potential but were used to hit civilians instead of imperialist institutions.
So much potential...

This line alone makes me sick to just share cyberspace with you.
I'll give you the liberty to say that, gladly, but take my own gladly to tell you how I feel.

Make an appointment of some kind soon with some kind of professional.

This line alone makes me sick to just share cyberspace with you.
I'll give you the liberty to say that, gladly, but take my own gladly to tell you how I feel.

Make an appointment of some kind soon with some kind of professional.


Eichen, I understand your disgust. But I do believe that this post was made with a tongue firmly planted in cheek.

The mspaint picture sealed it for me.

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Then Explain why we are bombing the shit out of the middleast contantly.

bombing the shit out of the middle east is what were doing, because theres so much shit there, like oppresive governments, lack of humanitarian aid, and terrorists.

Also to another post, Aftica does need our aid, but we need to make sure its getting to the people. If i had it my way, a good invasion of africa to drive out all the gangs and militant groups. If were going to Defend our Freedom, we should defend the people we want to have freedom.

Eichen, I understand your disgust. But I do believe that this post was made with a tongue firmly planted in cheek.

The mspaint picture sealed it for me.

B
Well then, I'm sick to share cyberspace with someone so devoid of ironic talent, who would dare display his uncouthe publicly.

With an illustration.

The fact of the is that muslims are the second largest religon in the world. There are almost 6 billion of them. Did any one else see that episode of 30 days on f/x? We are not at war with 6 billion people. Thank God. We are war with a section of radical muslims. What the united states government should do more clearly is explain the difference between a muslim and a radical muslim. The actual pure muslim belief is that hurting others is wrong. The radicals just want to kill people and are twisting around an otherwise peaceful religon to do so. I encourage everyone, even if you hate what i have wrote here, to study the history of the war between the radical muslims. It will explain a lot.

P.S. I dont want to confuse anyone so I will say this flat out. Support the troops. Those poor men and women are going through what I believe is the closest thing to hell on earth. War. If you believe in God, please pray for them.

The fact of the is that muslims are the second largest religon in the world. There are almost 6 billion of them. Did any one else see that episode of 30 days on f/x? We are not at war with 6 billion people. Thank God. We are war with a section of radical muslims. What the united states government should do more clearly is explain the difference between a muslim and a radical muslim. The actual pure muslim belief is that hurting others is wrong. The radicals just want to kill people and are twisting around an otherwise peaceful religon to do so. I encourage everyone, even if you hate what i have wrote here, to study the history of the war between the radical muslims. It will explain a lot.

P.S. I dont want to confuse anyone so I will say this flat out. Support the troops. Those poor men and women are going through what I believe is the closest thing to hell on earth. War. If you believe in God, please pray for them.
6 billion is a rough estimate of the entire human population. :)

Wouldn't that simply be an example of the usual British stereotypical understatement?

BOh...DH's British. Duh. :headbang:

The fact of the is that muslims are the second largest religon in the world. There are almost 6 billion of them. Did any one else see that episode of 30 days on f/x? We are not at war with 6 billion people. Thank God. We are war with a section of radical muslims. What the united states government should do more clearly is explain the difference between a muslim and a radical muslim. The actual pure muslim belief is that hurting others is wrong. The radicals just want to kill people and are twisting around an otherwise peaceful religon to do so. I encourage everyone, even if you hate what i have wrote here, to study the history of the war between the radical muslims. It will explain a lot.

P.S. I dont want to confuse anyone so I will say this flat out. Support the troops. Those poor men and women are going through what I believe is the closest thing to hell on earth. War. If you believe in God, please pray for them.6 billion Muslims. Wow. That's 6/7 of the entire world's population. And there are even more Christians?


Check your figures. ;)

The fact of the is that muslims are the second largest religon in the world. There are almost 6 billion of them. Did any one else see that episode of 30 days on f/x? We are not at war with 6 billion people. Thank God. We are war with a section of radical muslims. What the united states government should do more clearly is explain the difference between a muslim and a radical muslim. The actual pure muslim belief is that hurting others is wrong. The radicals just want to kill people and are twisting around an otherwise peaceful religon to do so. I encourage everyone, even if you hate what i have wrote here, to study the history of the war between the radical muslims. It will explain a lot.

P.S. I dont want to confuse anyone so I will say this flat out. Support the troops. Those poor men and women are going through what I believe is the closest thing to hell on earth. War. If you believe in God, please pray for them.

Before someone jumps on you, your figure here is a bit high. There are approximately 6.3 billion people on earth, total.

Islam is #2, but it only represents about 1.3 billion. Christianity is #1, at 2.1, with Secularism/Athieism coming in at #3 with 1.1 billion.

This does not, otherwise, render your points incorrect.

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Damn. Not fast enough.

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Before someone jumps on you, your figure here is a bit high. There are approximately 6.3 billion people on earth, total.

Islam is #2, but it only represents about 1.3 billion. Christianity is #1, at 2.1, with Secularism/Athieism coming in at #3 with 1.1 billion.

This does not, otherwise, render your points incorrect.

BWe've jumped him already. Sorry. :D

We've jumped him already. Sorry. :D
Speaking of which, I'll be jumping you when you get off the plane with my ice cream.

6 billion is a rough estimate of the entire human population. :)
I may be wrong about that number, but i think chinas population is bigger than that isnt it.

I may be wrong about that number, but i think chinas population is bigger than that isnt it.
China has about 1 billion - 1.1 billion, IIRC.

I may be wrong about that number, but i think chinas population is bigger than that isnt it.

According to the CIA World Factbook, China's population is 1,306,313,812.

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I may be wrong about that number, but i think chinas population is bigger than that isnt it.
It's closer to 1 billion, making it the most populace nation on the planet.
Total population of the world is somewhere over 6 billion.

It's closer to 1 billion, making it the most populace nation on the planet.
Total population of the world is somewhere over 6 billion.
Im not saying your right or wrong, but it is very hard to even get close to worlds pop. I mean how do you try to figure something like that out? But you may be right I realy dont have that good of an idea about the entire worlds pop.

GOD you need help!
Do EVEN know how much money a politician gets, such as a senator?
NO sir, screw the opinions and polotics they are in for the MONEY


Maybe...maybe not. Would you take a job with the understanding that you would no longer have a private life? Would you take a job that meant that everyday you had to argue, debate and make concessions on things that you felt very strongly against in order to make something happen that you felt very strongly for? Would you take a job in which 50% of the people that you worked for where criticizing you, in a very public manner, on a daily basis? Would you take a job where your decision affected an entire state or country and very often the entire world?


Maybe you would....then again maybe you wouldn't. Me, I would rather have a 9 to 5 job out of the lime light and make less money. I would rather be the one to sit back and criticize the things that those who were elected do rather than be the one who is criticized. I'm glad that not all people feel the way that I do though.

Im not saying your right or wrong, but it is very hard to even get close to worlds pop. I mean how do you try to figure something like that out? But you man be right I realy dont have that good of an idea about the entire worlds pop.
Add every coopertive nation's censuses

And find out the growth ratio of non-compliant countries coupled with a rough estimate of their current population.

And bam. You get the magic number of roughly 6 billion.

Maybe...maybe not. Would you take a job with the understanding that you would no longer have a private life? Would you take a job that meant that everyday you had to argue, debate and make concessions on things that you felt very strongly against in order to make something happen that you felt very strongly for? Would you take a job in which 50% of the people that you worked for where criticizing you, in a very public manner, on a daily basis? Would you take a job where your decision affected an entire state or country and very often the entire world?


Maybe you would....then again maybe you wouldn't. Me, I would rather have a 9 to 5 job out of the lime light and make less money. I would rather be the one to sit back and criticize the things that those who were elected do rather than be the one who is criticized. I'm glad that not all people feel the way that I do though.
Amazingly, NS fits many of those descriptions. Hmm.

*Colodia beat me to it*

Speaking of which, I'll be jumping you when you get off the plane with my ice cream.All right

Do you have a picture of yourself posted on the forums so I can recognize you and deal you a few stinging blows from my trusted pole, with which I have broken six inches of lead? ;)

And ice cream doesn't even last that long.

(Why do you remind me so much of my really annoying, 8 year old brother? :confused: :p)

*Colodia beat me to it*

Well a census by definition is actually all members of the population, unfortunately i have had to take two statistic classes. A census fails if one member of the pop is not counted or is counted wrong. So we have never had a "census" in the united states that has been right, if you want to get technical. You are right in the sense they get close, but a simple random sample is just about as effective. For all I know you are a statistican. So as I said you may be right.

All right

Do you have a picture of yourself posted on the forums so I can recognize you and deal you a few stinging blows from my trusted pole, with which I have broken six inches of lead? ;)

And ice cream doesn't even last that long.

(Why do you remind me so much of my really annoying, 8 year old brother? :confused: :p)
No. My dad took the camera with him when he moved to Anaheim. Unless you want a joke picture of Jesus, I have nothing. ;)

And who knows? Maybe I AM your brother! Da dun daaaa

Well a census by definition is actually all members of the population, unfortunately i have had to take two statistic classes. A census fails if one member of the pop is not counted or is counted wrong. So we have never had a "census" in the united states that has been right, if you want to get technical. You are right in the sense they get close, but a simple random sample is just about as effective. For all I know you are a statistican. So as I said you may be right.
I'll be a 10th grader barely taking a Algebra 2/Pre-Calculus Honors class. ;)

Two years away from an AP Statistics class. I'm just answering to the best of my ability.

Well a census by definition is actually all members of the population, unfortunately i have had to take two statistic classes. A census fails if one member of the pop is not counted or is counted wrong. So we have never had a "census" in the united states that has been right, if you want to get technical. You are right in the sense they get close, but a simple random sample is just about as effective. For all I know you are a statistican. So as I said you may be right.
True, no census is 100% accurate, but it is usually performed to within whatever are deemed acceptable tolerances. Furthermore, the gov't likely has statisticians working for them, and they should be able to estimate how large a % of the pop the census missed, allowing them to create a "fudge factor" to help improve the overall census accuracy.

I for one, totally agree with what was said by DHomme in his first post.

No. My dad took the camera with him when he moved to Anaheim. Unless you want a joke picture of Jesus, I have nothing. ;)

And who knows? Maybe I AM your brother! Da dun daaaaNo, my brother's sleeping two feet away from me and doesn't have a computer with internet access. Nor does he live in California. Sorry Colodia, you aren't my brother. :p

(And if you were I'd disown you. So ha.:D)

No, my brother's sleeping two feet away from me and doesn't have a computer with internet access. Nor does he live in California. Sorry Colodia, you aren't my brother. :p

(And if you were I'd disown you. So ha.:D)
You can't disown me! I'm YOUR FATHER!

In Soviet Russia, I disown you. So there.

No wait a second...

You can't disown me! I'm YOUR FATHER!

In Soviet Russia, I disown you. So there.

No wait a second..."No, Luke...I am your father!"

That actually paints me in a highly complimentary light you know...comparing me to a Jedi Knight... which I couldn't be farther from btw... I'm a Dark Jedi... lol

Then Explain why we are bombing the shit out of the middleast contantly.

9/11/01

Wrongs perpetrated! I think it is obvois that whatever the problems caused by the powerful nations, the benefits they have brought have been far greater. Africa should recieve no aid, except for emergency aid. For improvements to be trully meaning ful they must be implemented by the work of the african people, not by aid. Make trade fairer and then Africa can stand on its own two feet. Also far more of the "death, hunger, and oppression" that you speak of has been caused by the africans themselves. Your tired 'lets blame the imperialists and the west' approach no longer holds water. Africa has caused most of its own problems and it should solve them itself.

Actually, I agree with you. I was generally being sarcastic when I talk about the "wrongs" of the Western nations. However, it is true that America and a fair number of her allies do have troubled histories, and there are some things that we do have to take the blame for. However, none of these things justifies terrorism. I also agree that more than aid, Africa needs responsible leaders, for once. We are on the same side, you and I.