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What do u think?

What do u think?
Yes. 42. JK Rowling. Save the gay baby whales for Jesus!

EDIT: I was wondering when that poll would come up. :D

Overhyped, past their best POP, who are a disgrace to the word Punk.

Everyone should take one at least once a week

Overhyped, past their best POP, who are a disgrace to the word Punk.
Actually, Green Day used to be, as I understand it, hardcore punk, but gradually eased into the pop punk genre. I could be wrong, though.

Actually, Green Day used to be, as I understand it, hardcore punk, but gradually eased into the pop punk genre. I could be wrong, though.

I know I liked some stuff on Dookie, but since then they have produced overhyped trash.

Oh the band..... They're okay.

Oh the band..... They're okay.

What were you thinking about? lol ;)

I like Green Day's music- although I only have their album American Idiot.

I don't much like the band members themselves though; they seem to be kind of posers!

Oh yeah their songs all sound very similar. But they're good. I'm addicted to Wake Me Up When September Ends.

What were you thinking about? lol ;)
Do you know what a green day is?

Do you know what a green day is?

Nope, lol. May I inquire to what one is?

I like Green Day's music- although I only have their album American Idiot.

I don't much like the band members themselves though; they seem to be kind of posers!

Oh yeah their songs all sound very similar. But they're good. I'm addicted to Wake Me Up When September Ends.
I don't know what happened to the whole image of the band, they never used to go about with Billie Joe wearign eyeliner and shit. They used to be cool. :(

And if you only have American Idiot, you so missed the best Green Day.

I remember back in Grade 6, shortly after Dookie came out and they would actually play Basket Case at the school dances... they didn't actually care that one couldn't really dance to it...

Green Day rocks!

I wish I never heard of them but I have heard far too many of their songs because of a friend that liked them. And yes American Idiot is about the only song of theirs I can tolerate.

I don't know what happened to the whole image of the band, they never used to go about with Billie Joe wearign eyeliner and shit. They used to be cool. :(

And if you only have American Idiot, you so missed the best Green Day.

I remember back in Grade 6, shortly after Dookie came out and they would actually play Basket Case at the school dances... they didn't actually care that one couldn't really dance to it...
True dat. That's the Goody-Goody Charlotte (My nickname for the band whose actual name is Good Charlotte) and Simple Plan pop punk ripoff with slightly more attitude. About when Green Day becomes mindless psuedopunk robots.

That said, I love the album. :D

Two words: The Descendants.

I wish I never heard of them but I have heard far too many of their songs because of a friend that liked them. And yes American Idiot is about the only song of theirs I can tolerate.
Are you including their older stuff in this?

Overhyped, past their best POP, who are a disgrace to the word Punk.
Whatever they are I like 'em. Their music doesn't suck.

Are you including their older stuff in this?


Yeah trust me I've heard their older stuff - my friend is a fanatic. To each their own but personally I never liked them.

I liked the band until I heard the line "F&$% America" in American Idiot. Now, I don't exactly like them anymore...I do like Boulevard of Broken Dreams though.

Nope, lol. May I inquire to what one is?
If you take a whole day off and spend it smoking weed

I'm addicted to Wake Me Up When September Ends.
The only song from the new album I do not like...

People are so quick to bash them for not being "real" punk, but they never really were, and they never really had any misconceptions about trying to be. They've always had their own style of teenage-slacker-angst (even though they're now in their 30s), and they've never really changed THAT style. You can argue that they're a disgrace to punk, but they never really pretended to be anything other than what they are.

If you take a whole day off and spend it smoking weed

Interesting idea. I'll save that one for uni.

Green Day are ok. There's probably (definatly) much better somewhere, but I am a troglodyte and don't get out too much.

However, boulevard of broken dreams is one of the mosyt overrated songs in history. Give Me Novocaine is so much better.

People are so quick to bash them for not being "real" punk, but they never really were, and they never really had any misconceptions about trying to be. They've always had their own style of teenage-slacker-angst (even though they're now in their 30s), and they've never really changed THAT style. You can argue that they're a disgrace to punk, but they never really pretended to be anything other than what they are.

In fact they claim that they are not punk. It's funny though because they do use that pop-punk style pretty heavily.

So whiney, it's nausiating.

People are so quick to bash them for not being "real" punk, but they never really were

Yes, yes they were

They've always had their own style of teenage-slacker-angst (even though they're now in their 30s), and they've never really changed THAT style.

Yes, yes they have.

You can argue that they're a disgrace to punk

Which they are.

Damned sell-outs

Yes, yes they were



Yes, yes they have.



Which they are.

Damned sell-outs

Which album, pray tell, was real punk?

Yes, yes they were



Yes, yes they have.



Which they are.

Damned sell-outs
Seconded.

Which album, pray tell, was real punk?

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Kerplunk.

And, yes, they are posers and sellouts. The song, "American Idiot", is still pretty good, though.

Hate them. With a passion.

People are so quick to bash them for not being "real" punk, but they never really were, and they never really had any misconceptions about trying to be. They've always had their own style of teenage-slacker-angst (even though they're now in their 30s), and they've never really changed THAT style. You can argue that they're a disgrace to punk, but they never really pretended to be anything other than what they are.
Its like the Who. They sang 'I hope I die before I get old' for like 30 odd years.

After more than ten years... they still suck.

"Ker-Plunk" sucked as much as "American Idiot" sucks now. The only thing Green Day does is remain at the same level they were when they first sold their souls to have a hit song on the top-forty radio.

No, wait... How could androids assembled in a Berkeley lab have souls to begin with? Green Day is proof that Record Companies, not Fans, decide who or what is going to be popular with the kiddies. The only reason their shit gets airplay, is that their agent is better. They were the Monkees for the nineties, and they hang on because their fans are gullible. Go listen to the Cramps, or the Dead Kennedys, or (if classic punk is too hardcore) Lard, or a hundered thousand other "Punk/somethingelse" fusion bands. Those bands, at least, have the excuse of a shoestring budget to account for grainy sound.

Green Day tries so hard to be "Punk" that they are just "Suck". As are their imitators.

After more than ten years... they still suck.

"Ker-Plunk" sucked as much as "American Idiot" sucks now. The only thing Green Day does is remain at the same level they were when they first sold their souls to have a hit song on the top-forty radio.

No, wait... How could androids assembled in a Berkeley lab have souls to begin with? Green Day is proof that Record Companies, not Fans, decide who or what is going to be popular with the kiddies. The only reason their shit gets airplay, is that their agent is better. They were the Monkees for the nineties, and they hang on because their fans are gullible. Go listen to the Cramps, or the Dead Kennedys, or (if classic punk is too hardcore) Lard, or a hundered thousand other "Punk/somethingelse" fusion bands. Those bands, at least, have the excuse of a shoestring budget to account for grainy sound.

Green Day tries so hard to be "Punk" that they are just "Suck". As are their imitators.

I hope you don't actually think that Green Day were manufactured... They sold out with Dookie, but before that, they were a genuine Punk Rock band. The type that played in very small, poorly-lit, trashy clubs.

Two words: The Descendants.

One part Descendents to one part early The Who to one part Operation Ivy. Having said that, when I saw them play in '93 they were entertaining enough, but a bit too prone to wear their influences on their sleeves.

I'm getting too old for this...

Yeah, they're plastic fantastic, but who cares? So is everything else.

I used to like Green Day to some extent... this was, of course, back when I was a little kid and they were "cool." The fact is, the punk of the seventies and eighties is dead today. You can bring up all the random retro-punk bands you want, but they don't have what made the real punk bands good: originality. They aren't blazing any new trails in music but simply masturbating those stuck in decades past.

Punk isn't a musical style, it's a concept. The punk lifeblood found in the shitty clubs of the seventies is present in bands today like neutral milk hotel and the decemberists... guys that do new stuff and actually shock people just doing whatever their emotions take them to.

I liked the band until I heard the line "F&$% America" in American Idiot. Now, I don't exactly like them anymore...I do like Boulevard of Broken Dreams though.

"And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindfuck America."

this one?

They have the odd good song, but unfortuneately evened out by a load of shit.

Basketcase is probably their best song i've everheard, otherwise they all pretty much sound the same.

I liked the band until I heard the line "F&$% America" in American Idiot. Now, I don't exactly like them anymore...I do like Boulevard of Broken Dreams though.
you didn't listen very carefully it seems...the line doesn't say "fuck America", it says "The subliminal mindfuck, America". They say it themselves. The music isn't anti-America. It is anti-war

i like 'em.

Half their songs way bac seemed to be about wanking. Better'n love-songs :D

For some reason though my favourite song of theirs was Espionage, the instrumental from Shenanigans.

Actually, Green Day used to be, as I understand it, hardcore punk, but gradually eased into the pop punk genre. I could be wrong, though.Hardcore punk?! Listen to some Minor Threat and you'll find out what hardcore really is.
BTW, pop-punk is sort of an oxymoron. You see, punk was first created to get away from pop and go back to the roots of rock 'n' roll.

Early stuff was okay, but don't like 'em anymore.

This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a while. Are people (older than 16) seriously using the term "sold out"? :p

This rediculous meme never dies. I guess (for most) it's just eventually outgrown.

Everyone wants to listen to amazing "underground" bands. Everyone wants to cast off the shackles of TV, fast food and prepackaged outfits. Everybody under forty. And so we all try to lash out against the machine. Whether it's rap or punk, everyone wants to take advantage of this easy ride off of the assembly line.

While we all may want to rebel this way (its far easier to listen to "subversive music" than invent an honest-to-God authentic, unique persona ourselves)...
We can't all succeed. At best, you're just running a race. When everyone starts turning their backs on top forty crapola and starts listening to so-called underground music, those bands become the new top forty. It's what happened to Nirvana. It's what happened to the Sex Pistols (anyone using the term "sold out" doesn't get the whole joke behind that band, and their part in the Great Rock n' Roll Swindle, and why it was a great fucking swindle after all).
You're doing what your parents are doing (and what you're artfully trying to critique).. Keeping one step ahead of the Jones's.

Basically, the search begins to find those unco-optable bands. Forever secure in their hipsterism. It never occurs to the typical (anti)trendy that most of these bands will never be mainstream because they fucking suck. How many of you have wanted to laugh at a friend who's listening to the unlistenable and loving it, knowing that they're wincing on the inside while holding back a gag? But he's obviously happy and smug, feeling superior to the poseurs. You're no unique snowflake, dude.

If you guys really want true underground, have a listen to Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music. If you didn't stick something sharp directly into your eardums, everything after that will sound like bubblegum-style pop music.

It's simple. You liked that CD, and you paid cash for it (unless you downloaded it online, requiring your dedicated time). You heard that music somewhere. It wasn't your band.

At least be honest with yourself. You're trying to look cool. You do this with distinction. (The currency of hipsterism and rebellion).
Through music, fashion, whatever, you're searching for something to distinguish us (those of you "in the know") from them.

Newsflash: Everone under forty in the western world is an us. That's exactly what drives the market, and gives it such diversity.

All attempts to promote an "anticorporate" or "anticonsumerist" lifestyle fail... every fucking time. It just creates another MARKET to sell things to a certain demographic seeking further differentiation.

The only way to beat the system is to move out into the woods (good luck) and build yourself your own cabin and live off of the land.

You yourself sold out the second you touched a buck and bought that CD/band ticket/music influenced clothing item.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but if it can be bought, it's being marketed to you.

Seperate your ideas of "anti" anything and "sold out" from the reality of the situation-- It's just fucking unpopular.

I actually think the music's pretty good. I'm not a fan of punk rock, thus I haven't been able to compare American Idiot with anything else.

The band members scare me. Seriously scare me. I also don't agree with their politics, but I think they rock nonetheless.

When the U.S. military is hurting in places like Iraq (not that I've supported the war), they have to churn out music that further affects the morale back home. Where's the patriotism? (That's right, they're some crappy Canadian band.)

If I'm President Bush, I'd be supressing "unpatriotic art". If that's the case, we'd see some real idiots in Guantanamo like the anarchist bands such as Propagadhi.

I would have to say that they are bad.... They're not even punk. There this watered down pop-rock mixed with feces. I'm not biased against them either, I hate all bad music. And I don't want Nationstates to turn into Neopets where 12 year olds can talk about how "Goth" they are.

Now, I'd have to say good bands would be Modest Mouse, Gorillaz.... Only new good bands I can think of. God, now I'm thinking of Neopets and I have a high sensation to vomit...

It's what happened to the Sex Pistols (anyone using the term "sold out" doesn't get the whole joke behind that band, and their part in the Great Rock n' Roll Swindle, and why it was a great fucking swindle after all).

Heh. You actually believe Malcolm McLaren's "I created them... I did everything" story?

Please, for the sake of history, watch The Filth And The Fury, and read Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs. Both completely accurate documents about the band (and the book also being a deep look into the life of John Lydon). You'll realise just how ridiculous McLaren's "side of the story" is (the band even sued him over damages because of his "Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle).

Heh. You actually believe Malcolm McLaren's "I created them... I did everything" story?

Please, for the sake of history, watch The Filth And The Fury, and read Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs. Both completely accurate documents about the band (and the book also being a deep look into the life of John Lydon). You'll realise just how ridiculous McLaren's "side of the story" is (the band even sued him over damages because of his "Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle).
Doesn't matter, they're overrated anyway.
They got a chance because the execs knew there was a market for the music. And they were so right.

If a band wasn't marketable (ready to "sell out" from the get-go), you'd never hear them at all. But record execs aren't psychics, so they're not always right about what it is the people want.

Don't get me wrong, I don't listen to anything top forty. I don't even listen to anything considered really "modern" most of the time.

I just don't buy into the "sell out" excuse for why a band sucks. It's so mindnumbingly trendy, in that irritating anti-trendy poseur way. It's rediculous. If a band is going to have any social or political effect whatsoever, they need to be heard by the greatest number of people possible.

It would be assanine to deliver your important message "on the soapbox" while singing in the shower. :D

Doesn't matter, they're overrated anyway.
They got a chance because the execs knew there was a market for the music. And they were so right.

If a band wasn't marketable (ready to "sell out" from the get-go), you'd never hear them at all. But record execs aren't psychics, so they're not always right about what it is the people want.

Don't get me wrong, I don't listen to anything top forty. I don't even listen to anything considered really "modern" most of the time.

I just don't buy into the "sell out" excuse for why a band sucks. It's so mindnumbingly trendy, in that irritating anti-trendy poseur way. It's rediculous. If a band is going to have any social or political effect, they need to be heard by the greatest number of people possible.

It would be assanine to deliver your important message "on the soapbox" while singing in the shower. :D

Which was why they signed to the labels. John even said that it would be stupid to stay in the dark, when they could reach so many more people if they signed to a major label. I mean, just think of all the great underground bands that have stayed virtually unknown, all because they never signed to a major label, to "stick to their guns" (one of the reasons the remaining Dead Kennedys members LOATHE Jello Biafra). Just signing to a big-time label isn't "selling out"... Changing your ideals to make more money and sell more tickets is "selling out".

It was funny, what happened to the Sex Pistols. The record companies couldn't control them like any other band. They couldn't extract what they wanted from them. Sid Vicious may have turned into a total moron, but that doesn't mean the rest of the band wasn't into what they were doing.

You're a musician of some kind, right? It seems like a personal thing with you, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I just think it's pretty shitty that musicians treat each other like crap for making a buck. It's a goddamned job like any other, requiring a whole lotta work. Why should you have to be ghettoized to have any respect? To me, that's a shame. No wonder everyone's giving up on rock and going for more capitalist rap pursuits.

Not to mention, how many musicians do you love that are millionaires (while faking a disdain for money they have no intention of giving away).

I bet it's a lot more than you think.

You're a musician of some kind, right? It seems like a personal thing with you, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Becoming one, yes.

I just think it's pretty shitty that musicians treat each other like crap for making a buck. It's a goddamned job like any other, requiring a whole lotta work. Why should you have to be ghettoized to have any respect? To me, that's a shame. No wonder everyone's giving up on rock and going for more capitalist rap pursuits.

Yeah, it's a load of bullshit. That's why John Lydon gave up on the "Punk" scene back in the 80's. Everybody was (and still is) giving him shit for not being in the gutter.

Not to mention, how many musicians do you love that are millionaires (while faking a disdain for money they have no intention of giving away).

I bet it's a lot more than you think.

Actually, it's not! The rich musicians I know of all love their money. They even spread it to charities.

Oh I just love the album Dookie! - And I love "Hitchin a Ride" too! - Hell I like almost all of their stuff - And they are by far much better than any of the Good Charlotte's of this world!