NationStates Jolt Archive

Pretty much self explanatory...I simply hate greenpeace and other organisations that claim to be earth loving, and then go and drive round in cars over 20 years old (big fuel consumers) and make leaflets on new paper (not recycled - and in some case not even recycable - I had a leaflet from a new labour candidate in the last elections who claimed to be planet loving, yet the leaflet was glossy, non-recycable/d paper!)....so who else shares my pet-hate?

How about putting up a proper poll instead of a childish, snidey one? Prick.

a lot of green people (like myself) drive older cars because that's all we can afford. sure, walking and biking and skating is great when we're within our towns or cities, but what if we're travelling hundreds of miles? environmentalism is not a well funded industry, and a lot of times we have to make concessions (like driving a 92 corsica when i really want a hybrid honda) in order to achieve more important goals (making it to national conferences and training workshops).

as for the recyclable paper...i've got nothing. people who really care about the environment should take that into consideration, and if you've come in contact with people who didn't, i can't speak for them.

a lot of green people (like myself) drive older cars because that's all we can afford. sure, walking and biking and skating is great when we're within our towns or cities, but what if we're travelling hundreds of miles? environmentalism is not a well funded industry, and a lot of times we have to make concessions (like driving a 92 corsica when i really want a hybrid honda) in order to achieve more important goals (making it to national conferences and training workshops).

as for the recyclable paper...i've got nothing. people who really care about the environment should take that into consideration, and if you've come in contact with people who didn't, i can't speak for them.

You voted that they ARE hypocritical?

I voted that Greenpeace is hypocritical. Check this (http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/05/03/news/the_west/tuewst01.txt) out. It's quite humorous. :D

I voted that Greenpeace is hypocritical. Check this (http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/05/03/news/the_west/tuewst01.txt) out. It's quite humorous. :D
The name of the defending laywer is the funniest bit. "Wetterer".

a lot of green people (like myself) drive older cars because that's all we can afford. sure, walking and biking and skating is great when we're within our towns or cities, but what if we're travelling hundreds of miles? environmentalism is not a well funded industry, and a lot of times we have to make concessions (like driving a 92 corsica when i really want a hybrid honda) in order to achieve more important goals (making it to national conferences and training workshops).

as for the recyclable paper...i've got nothing. people who really care about the environment should take that into consideration, and if you've come in contact with people who didn't, i can't speak for them.

Could you explain to me why attending a conference or a workshop is more important that not using a pollution producing vehicle. If it were that important, then get on a bicycle a couple of weeks earlier and go that way. If it is not that important, then don't pollute to get there. Or shut up telling others what they should do about pollution.

Could you explain to me why attending a conference or a workshop is more important that not using a pollution producing vehicle. If it were that important, then get on a bicycle a couple of weeks earlier and go that way. If it is not that important, then don't pollute to get there. Or shut up telling others what they should do about pollution.

Good point......Chembhudda's reaction....?

Because attending that conference or workshop will make a far greater contribution to the environment than not burning the tiny (by planetary standards) quantity of gasoline needed to get there?

I'm sure all environmentalists would love to drive 100% clean cars if they could, but - go figure - they don't have their own car company to make such cars for them.

Because attending that conference or workshop will make a far greater contribution to the environment than not burning the tiny (by planetary standards) quantity of gasoline needed to get there?

I'm sure all environmentalists would love to drive 100% clean cars if they could, but - go figure - they don't have their own car company to make such cars for them.

But even something called "Public Transport" would be better!! Have they never heard of public transport???

and in some case not even recycable - I had a leaflet from a new labour candidate in the last elections who claimed to be planet loving, yet the leaflet was glossy, non-recycable/d paper!)....so who else shares my pet-hate?

And what does that have to do with Greenpeace?

And what does that have to do with Greenpeace?

Did you read the "other such organisations" it...?

I might actually have waded into this topic with some interest were it not for the biased poll.

Did you read the "other such organisations" it...?

Sorry.

I'll rephrase it:


and in some case not even recycable - I had a leaflet from a new labour candidate in the last elections who claimed to be planet loving, yet the leaflet was glossy, non-recycable/d paper!)....so who else shares my pet-hate?

And what does that have to do with Greenpeace and other such organisations?

I might actually have waded into this topic with some interest were it not for the biased poll.

It's merely biased because this poll is here to prove a point. Can you guess my point?

I'm sure all environmentalists would love to drive 100% clean cars if they could, but - go figure - they don't have their own car company to make such cars for them.
Why don't all the greens get together and start their own car company?

OMG NO THAT WOULD MEAN CAPITALISM AND CAPITALISM IS EEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL!!!!111one!1

It's merely biased because this poll is here to prove a point. Can you guess my point?

That you're an arse? :confused:

Why don't all the greens get together and start their own car company?

OMG NO THAT WOULD MEAN CAPITALISM AND CAPITALISM IS EEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL!!!!111one!1

I know it is hard to understand. But some people aren't that fond of capitalism.

It's merely biased because this poll is here to prove a point. Can you guess my point?
I know, I know. You think it's a great idea to expoit the planet in any way you see fit even if people of the future will suffer for it (my children for instance) as long as there is a profit in it of course.

You're what now? 12, 13 years old? Or if you're older you certainly have the cognitive skills of a pre-teen.
Grow up.

That you're an arse? :confused:



I know it is hard to understand. But some people aren't that fond of capitalism.
Yes, I am an arse. that is exactly the point i wanted to convey. prat. capitalism is evil sorry, but communism is better (in theory). my point is that they're all fickle.

Having worked for a time with an environmental lobby group, I'm more than aware of some of the hypocricy that is prevalent. I don't particularly care to hear your point, as you've taken the opportunity to use the poll to promulgate your point of view to the exclusion of any other.

So what would be the point? To give you the chance to reiterate?

No, not today. I might've had some interesting insights to share, but I'd just as soon not bother, thanks.

Come on Dobbs, please bring an intelleuctual viewpoint in to this discussion! Otherwise, it'll just be name calling...

Having worked for a time with an environmental lobby group, I'm more than aware of some of the hypocricy that is prevalent. I don't particularly care to hear your point, as you've taken the opportunity to use the poll to promulgate your point of view to the exclusion of any other.

So what would be the point? To give you the chance to reiterate?

No, not today. I might've had some interesting insights to share, but I'd just as soon not bother, thanks.

I have actually just asked the mods if they could change that poll option for me. Because I actually wanted a serious discussion, it may not seem it, but that's what I wanted.

I have actually just asked the mods if they could change that poll option for me. Because I actually wanted a serious discussion, it may not seem it, but that's what I wanted.
Too late, you started a slagging match.
You have to be careful what you type.
It was hardly a slip of the finger.

:p :p

Come on Dobbs, please bring an intelleuctual viewpoint in to this discussion! Otherwise, it'll just be name calling...

Dobbs knows when not to waste his breath.

Dobbs knows when not to waste his breath.

Well, if he's not going to post, I guess that's a good sign to stay away then.

Dobbs knows when not to waste his breath.

Oh for christs sake, if I'd known you'd be this upset about that option I wouldn't've bothered you silly, silly people. If you didn't like that option, then you shouldn't have liked the subject line either - I would've thought you'd be sensible enough to realise with a subject line like that, the content would be the same.

I know, I know. You think it's a great idea to expoit the planet in any way you see fit even if people of the future will suffer for it (my children for instance) as long as there is a profit in it of course.

You're what now? 12, 13 years old? Or if you're older you certainly have the cognitive skills of a pre-teen.
Grow up.

And by what right does this hypothetical future claim resources? By that logic, nobody should ever use anything, because the next generation deserves it more.

They're soooo not! Now I'm gonna write a leaflet on non-recycable/d paper...
and then staple it to your forehead. Ka-tack!

Ah. Much better now. Thanks for the biased poll. Here, have some more staples. Ka-tack-tack-tack! They are made of recycled beer cans and produced with a nail clipper, by the way!

I voted that Greenpeace is hypocritical. Check this (http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/05/03/news/the_west/tuewst01.txt) out. It's quite humorous. :D
Most Greenpeace members are not hypocritical fools, but like in every group you have a few idiots who ruin it for the rest of us.

I know it is hard to understand. But some people aren't that fond of capitalism.

Many more are.

Capitalism is what Africa needs. Get rid of the corrupt leaders, get industry in there and give Africans a real, liveable wage. We've given over $500 billion to Africa in the last 30 years, nothing has changed with socialist ideas there. Let's try something new.

But even something called "Public Transport" would be better!! Have they never heard of public transport???

To go between cities you have to use Greyhound Buses or Jumbo Jets. Both of which, for tickets, cost over $100.

Jumbo Jets, if you know this, use a chemical on the wings to make ice not form. This chemical causes massive damage to the environment.

Greyhound buses are also not that good. I've seen more of those buses with thick black smoke comming out of them, which would hurt the environment more than an old car.

Most Greenpeace members are not hypocritical fools, but like in every group you have a few idiots who ruin it for the rest of us.

yah... like the idiots who didn't file an oil-spill prevention plan, or how the last time the Rainbow Warrior visited Puget Sound, it left a rainbow-trail of leaking oil and raw sewage from the bilge? Greens are terrific for telling the rest of us what it is we're doing wrong-but even They don't practice the 'solutions' they preach.

I'm about 0% likely to listen to the advice of someone who doesn't take their own advice. Somewhere around here...(Rummages) I've got a pamphlet from an Environmental group worried about old-growth logging. It's printed on non-recyclable paper of the glossy kind.
(It's not safe to burn glossy paper, and it doesn't break down easily...)

the bigger environmental impact from old cars isn't the gas tank or the tailpipe, it's the oil and fluid leakage that gets into the water table, and the odd burn-products that come from bad rings and valve-seats.
This is especially true of the emblematic VW Bus.

Greyhound buses are also not that good. I've seen more of those buses with thick black smoke comming out of them, which would hurt the environment more than an old car.
Really? Just ONE diesel bus is going to pollute more than if the 50 people on that bus drove 50 separate cars to the same place?

I give up. :headbang:

And by what right does this hypothetical future claim resources? By that logic, nobody should ever use anything, because the next generation deserves it more.
No by that logic we shouldn't hand it over in a worse state than it was given to us but should strive to improve it.

And it's not resourses that we're talking about here. If the earth is poluted it takes thousands of years to clean itself. What right have we to leave that to the future.