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Audis are under "Other"!

I would say Porsche...

And in case nobody knows what the "Trabi" is, see the Wikipedia articled on it: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant_%28Pkw%29.

Where is Audi???

Where is Audi???

Under other. :) (I think that's the only one I missed, so "Other" can now be the "Audi" category.)

I am fiercely in love with Mercedes.....

You can change the poll to include Audi, can't you?

Porsche.
Build Quality is excellent, product range is excellent (except for that ... that Touareg clone. Fucking Cayenne :headbang: )
I like their Philosophy, their cars are class leaders, and Wiedeking is GOD!

Undoubtedly Porsche.

What do you call a Trabi cabriolet?

A skip

:D

What do God, a bug free version of windows and a trabi speeding ticket all have in common?

They are all rumoured to exist but no one has ever seen them.

:D

What do you call a trabi on top of a hill?

A miracle.

:D

You can change the poll to include Audi, can't you?
Nope. Polls cannot be changed.

What do you call a Trabi cabriolet?

A skip

:D

What do God, a bug free version of windows and a trabi speeding ticket all have in common?

They are all rumoured to exist but no one has ever seen them.

:D

What do you call a trabi on top of a hill?

A miracle.

:D

LOL!

You voted for Sachsenring?! ;)

What's the difference between a Trabant and tickets for an Oasis concert?

Oasis tickets go fast


Why does a Trabant have a double rear window heater ?

To keep everyones hands warm when they are pushing it


Whats the difference between a Jehova Witness and a Trabant?

You can shut the door on a Jehova Witness


What happens if you apply rust remover to a Trabant?

It disappears

Porsche, coz they are fast and ..... fast

Zero votes for Volkswagon... I guess nobody likes them? :)

Simonist']I am fiercely in love with Mercedes.....

I was too, until their quality went to be lower than Kia's.

It seems that Chrysler got Daimler engineers while Mercedes got Chrysler quality control... :(

(NB: I drive a Chrysler 300M)

BMW for the M3, M5, and for the fact that they are the only one on the list who has won an F1 world championship and Le Mans (I think)

BMW for the M3, M5, and for the fact that they are the only one on the list who has won an F1 world championship and Le Mans (I think)
My second best is definitely BmW, the M3s are ace

Posche.

Wondeful cars, even though their designers are the laziest in the world ..

BMW for the M3, M5, and for the fact that they are the only one on the list who has won an F1 world championship and Le Mans (I think)
Fangio won one (and a half :-)) F1 championship for Mercedes when there was no World Constructor Championships. Not sure about Le Mans...

Fangio won one (and a half :-)) F1 championship for Mercedes when there was no World Constructor Championships. Not sure about Le Mans...
yea, they won it in 1998 as well, and it turns out theyve won Le Mans as well.

Still saying BMW though :p

yea, they won it in 1998 as well, and it turns out theyve won Le Mans as well.

Still saying BMW though :p
Oh yes, I've forgotten that my dear McLaren won the WCC in 1998. Shame on me!

Oh yes, I've forgotten that my dear McLaren won the WCC in 1998. Shame on me!
And hopefully they'll win it again soon....sadly it seems this season is gone :(

Hope Kimi can somehow win the WDC though...

And hopefully they'll win it again soon....sadly it seems this season is gone :(

Hope Kimi can somehow win the WDC though...
I'm tearing apart this season - I myself drive a Renault. ;)

BMW for the M3, M5, and for the fact that they are the only one on the list who has won an F1 world championship and Le Mans (I think)

Porsche won sixteen Le Mans and one F1 Grand Prix of France. But no F1WCs.

Zero votes for Volkswagon... I guess nobody likes them? :)
Patience, my young padawan!

I will always vote for Volkswagen. My Dad works for Volkswagen, I've never driven much else but Volkswagen models. And who does not love the beetle, huh?

Besides, they are the biggest European car manufacturer, also owning Audi (German), Seat (Spanish), Skoda (Czech), Bugatti (Italian), Bentley (English).

I like Volkswagen and would almost always chose their cars over any others!

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Porsche. Outstanding engineering, performance & reliability, proven time & again at Le Mans, which would have to be the toughest road/track race in the world.

I don't like beetles.

Porsche. Outstanding engineering, performance & reliability, proven time & again at Le Mans, which would have to be the toughest road/track race in the world.

I don't like beetles.
Funny you should like the Porsche so much then. The original VW Beetle was designed by Ferdinand Porsche!

Funny you should like the Porsche so much then. The original VW Beetle was designed by Ferdinand Porsche!

Yes, I know. Much of the original 356 was derived from a stillborn racing version of the Beetle.

There's just something about the Beetle I don't like.

Ooooh! (Well, I'll love them even more to make up for that. Hopefully they didn't hear you :D)

Ooooh! (Well, I'll love them even more to make up for that. Hopefully they didn't hear you :D)

That's OK, I'll shout it from the rooftops.

I DON'T LIKE BEETLES!

But Bus' are cool, right? At least mine is :)

Porsche has indeed won a championship in F1 in a 'sorta' way-they where the engine supplier for I believe McLaren with Senna.

The first Porsche sold to a private citizen was raced the next weekend and won. They've been winning since introduction. 17 Le Mans, the next highest is Ferarri with 9. Paris-Dakar with the dominant 959s.

Porsche is really where it is at.

Mercedes must be the best, considering that their reputation dates back before the Nazis.

Despite the Chinese market being dominated by locally produced Volkswagens (more German cars are being built in China than in Germany), the Chinese would easily pick Benz or BMW for class.

What the hell happened to those East German car makers? I heard that all they produced were clones of Soviet models.

But Bus' are cool, right? At least mine is :)

Porsche has indeed won a championship in F1 in a 'sorta' way-they where the engine supplier for I believe McLaren with Senna.

The first Porsche sold to a private citizen was raced the next weekend and won. They've been winning since introduction. 17 Le Mans, the next highest is Ferarri with 9. Paris-Dakar with the dominant 959s.

Porsche is really where it is at.

I dunno, Kombis, Beetles, they're much of a muchness. Just not my cup of tea.

I wholeheartedly agree about the Porsches though. Their racing programme improves their road cars, which in turn feeds back into their racing programme. It's like a vicious circle, but good. :)

Mercedes must be the best, considering that their reputation dates back before the Nazis.

What the hell happened to those East German car makers? I heard that all they produced were clones of Soviet models.
So does BMW (at least as engine makers) and Audi (as Auto Union). Ferry was an engineer before making the VW and the Porsches. Diamler Benz goes allllll the way back to the first cars, but I still gotta go with Porsche. (though the 57 300SL Gullwing is one of the most beautiful cars ever made.)

Audi is another favorite car in China. Their exports date back to the early '80s. An old Audi imported from Germany would still cost more than a brand new Chinese-made Volkswagen!

Folksvagon!

Due to the anti-Japanese fervour, the German car makers are profiting further in China. W00t!

I dunno, Kombis, Beetles, they're much of a muchness. Just not my cup of tea.

I wholeheartedly agree about the Porsches though. Their racing programme improves their road cars, which in turn feeds back into their racing programme. It's like a vicious circle, but good. :)
Have you seen those new Boxster Coupes? I don't know what they are trying to call it, but I think it's just going to end up being called Boxster Coupe by everyone. Please oh please let that be a hearld of a coming race car. I still don't understand why Porsche Turbos don't run GT 1 with the 'Vettes, 575s, and Aston Martins. That'd be a show, like the old days. (and if the Carrera was turned back into an LMP...oh the dream...You hear me Porshce? Some guy who can't even afford Porshce accesories (or spell) is demanding that you pony up and race at Le Mans again. So, you better get going...ah, the powerlessness of no buying power...)

Folksvagon!

There's only two types of people that like Volkswagens:

1. Hippies (due to their iconic associations with the Beetles and Kombi vans)
2. The Chinese (the most common car in China is the Volkswagen Santana 2000)

And no, the Chinese don't like pieces of Beetle sh*t!

Hell! When I become rich, I must own a Mercedes. That's one of my motivations for hard work.

Volkswagens are cool, you know it to be true.



GLLLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! (http://www3.us.porsche.com/usa/) (on the bottom bar of the picture) Porsche is returning to La Sarthe with and LMP!!!!!!!!! Take that, all you suckas!!!! I'm off to do my happy dance...

I see that there's a lot of young people here and thus the Porsche bias.(Bloody sports cars!)

I guess my vote for the luxury Mercedes is very conservative. I also like Hummers!

Volkswagens are cool, you know it to be true.

Only if they're not Beetles!

VWs are still second class like the Opels, they just don't have the reputation for luxury and class like Mercedes and BMW. Rich people in China don't drive around in their Santana 2000s. They prefer orders of BMWs and Mercedes (usually Mercedes) straight from Germany, despite BMW and Benz opening up factories in China.

Posche.

Wondeful cars, even though their designers are the laziest in the world ..
That's so not true!
Every generation they have to build an icon, a class leader - that's a lot of pressure.
Every generation they have to figure out better ways of dealing with the inherently flawed 911-layout.
Every generation they get flogged by "enthusiasts" for "taking some of the character".
It's one of the toughest jobs in the world.

Why didn't they include Leopard 2s on the poll?

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/images/leop113.jpg

LOL!

Have you seen those new Boxster Coupes? I don't know what they are trying to call it, but I think it's just going to end up being called Boxster Coupe by everyone. Please oh please let that be a hearld of a coming race car. I still don't understand why Porsche Turbos don't run GT 1 with the 'Vettes, 575s, and Aston Martins. That'd be a show, like the old days. (and if the Carrera was turned back into an LMP...oh the dream...You hear me Porshce? Some guy who can't even afford Porshce accesories (or spell) is demanding that you pony up and race at Le Mans again. So, you better get going...ah, the powerlessness of no buying power...)

I've seen pictures, has the car been released yet? Cayman is the name I heard.

I wonder if they could squeeze the GT3, or even GT2 engine into a Cayman racing variant? That would be something to think about.

I don't think it's a performance issue, but I think the fuel consumption of the GT2 at full noise is too great for them to rund with the Astons, etc (I may be wrong here).

Definitely they should spec up the Carrera to LMP, I mean that was the point of the car in the first place. I'd love to see how it would go.

I've seen pictures, has the car been released yet? Cayman is the name I heard.

I wonder if they could squeeze the GT3, or even GT2 engine into a Cayman racing variant? That would be something to think about.

I don't think it's a performance issue, but I think the fuel consumption of the GT2 at full noise is too great for them to rund with the Astons, etc (I may be wrong here).

Definitely they should spec up the Carrera to LMP, I mean that was the point of the car in the first place. I'd love to see how it would go.
I just want a race at the front of the field, something we haven't had since the heady days of GT1, and even then it was still pretty close to a CLK-GTR lovefest...though with the Penske/Porsche LMP2 I think we might see a LMP2 take overall...(true fan, you see).

On the Porsche website they compare the Cayman S to the 64 904 GTS. That tugs at me a bit, I love that car. I would hope that the shape was closer-but I loved the 904 highlight reel they put up.

I think the cafe that I'm sapping internet from is getting ansy, so I should motor...and pretend I'm in my own 904...(an illusion quickly trampled in my bus...)

I think the Cayman is a pretty good addition:
a) There is only an "S" - no standard soggy version here.
b) It's cheaper than the 911.
c) It's positioned as a hardcore driver's car to get prestige buyers not to move down from the 911.
d) It lapped the Nordschleife faster than the 997 Carrera S apparently...

Volkswagens are cool, you know it to be true.



GLLLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! (http://www3.us.porsche.com/usa/) (on the bottom bar of the picture) Porsche is returning to La Sarthe with and LMP!!!!!!!!! Take that, all you suckas!!!! I'm off to do my happy dance...

It is anticipated they will initially debut the new Porsche prototype at the final two races of the 2005 ALMS season: the 1st of October Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta and the 16th October season-final at Laguna Seca, as test events before entering the entire 2006 season.

Gunna go?

Although i feel much love for both vw and bmw, and both the old beetles and the vw bus rock my world, its all about porsche baby, my mom used to have an ancient 911, oh how it was beloved
In loving memory of my mothers old porsche 911

:D
The eternal Battle Mercedes vs BMW goes on...
Equal score right now.

I think you forgot Maybach.

It's... incredible... from CAD$ 450 000 for the 57 and CAD$ 650 000 for the 62... without any options, of course...

maybach-manufaktur.de

German cars have taken a nosedive in quality over the last five years. Mercedes is the worst... and I would'nt touch BMW either. I'd have to go with either Volkswagen or Porsche.

I think you forgot Maybach.
There's hundreds of small manufacturers (although not many with that kind of history) in Germany.
And these days, Maybach uses a lot of Mercedes parts, so I assume you can either go "Mercedes" or "Other".

Other - Audi, just for the Quattro, a ground breaking car.

Other - Audi, just for the Quattro, a ground breaking car.
Check this:
http://www.jensenff.co.uk/

There's hundreds of small manufacturers (although not many with that kind of history) in Germany.
And these days, Maybach uses a lot of Mercedes parts, so I assume you can either go "Mercedes" or "Other".
It's owned by Merc.

It's owned by Merc.
Well that settles it then.

That's OK, I'll shout it from the rooftops.

I DON'T LIKE BEETLES!
Well, too late now: They definitely heard you this time!

(...)(more German cars are being built in China than in Germany),(...)
Source? And are they still German cars when they are build in China?!? :D

What the hell happened to those East German car makers? I heard that all they produced were clones of Soviet models.
They build models which could compete with models from the early 60s. Volkswagen cooperated with Sachsenring and there were a couple of Trabis with a Polo motor produced in the early 90s.
The monetary reform happened and the money that would've bought you a Trabi could buy you a 3 year old 2nd hand "real" car from West-Germany.
Sachsenring had their own design made out of fiberglass, so did Wartburg, but they used sheet iron.

Folksvagon!
Dude!!! Nice 1st post :D:D:D

Due to the anti-Japanese fervour, the German car makers are profiting further in China. W00t!
I'm sorry to have to tell you but that is not true! Your information is outdated by approximately 5 years.

There's only two types of people that like Volkswagens:
1. Hippies (due to their iconic associations with the Beetles and Kombi vans)
2. The Chinese (the most common car in China is the Volkswagen Santana 2000)
And no, the Chinese don't like pieces of Beetle sh*t!
Ooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukay? Wrong! At least include the Germans & Mexicans in that rant!

Volkswagens are cool, you know it to be true.
Don't we all when not in denial?
http://www.superbeetles.com/myblog/images/mex6.jpg

VWs are still second class like the Opels, they just don't have the reputation for luxury and class like Mercedes and BMW.
Audacious claim!

Why didn't they include Leopard 2s on the poll?
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/images/leop113.jpg
LOL!
Good question! That, my friend, is the best tank you will find in the whole world. Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Leopard A2 A6 EX. Come and get it!
If only I had the small change... :D:D:D

And here I present you the reason Volkswagen is the best:
http://www.van.at/flame/flame03/set01/ghia01.jpg
http://www.hubcapcafe.com/i/2000/vw_jac/vw_7001.JPG
http://www.hubcapcafe.com/i/2000/vw_jac/vw_6401.JPG

Oh yeah, and these two :D
http://www.eurotruck-importers.com/images/Kuebel2-01.jpg
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/dic/pix/schwimmwagen.jpg

Besides, the big brother of the beetle, the Volkswagen bus is second to none!

Good question! That, my friend, is the best tank you will find in the whole world. Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Leopard A2 A6 EX. Come and get it!
If only I had the small change... :D:D:D

Because it would be under "Krauss-Maffei AG", not "Leopard 2". :)

Because it would be under "Krauss-Maffei AG", not "Leopard 2". :)
I guess that's under "Other" then?

I guess that's under "Other" then?
If it qualifies as a "car company"....

It is anticipated they will initially debut the new Porsche prototype at the final two races of the 2005 ALMS season: the 1st of October Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta and the 16th October season-final at Laguna Seca, as test events before entering the entire 2006 season.

Gunna go?
Oh yes, I believe that I will indeed do that thing.

Especially since it looks like once again the Sports Car race that happens on or around my birthday at Sears Point (Infenion) will have to be a pass again due to funding issues (such as, I'm currently homeless...) I will have this sorted by October so I can see that thing take it all involved. Glleeeeeeee!!!!!

If it qualifies as a "car company"....
A friend of mine works for a telephone survey company (no telemarketers!) and he happened to randomly call them. They called their product a special needs vehicle. One could call it a car of some special kind?

...special needs vehicle....
:D

Good morning!

Yes, they called it that. My buddy was almost not able to finish that interview :D

Good morning!
Thank you very much.
Good Evening.

What time you got? Here it's 13:07. (And I just started my day... Friday night can be tough on yer liver :D)

What time you got? Here it's 13:07. (And I just started my day... Friday night can be tough on yer liver :D)
21:09 Saturday Night.
And I sit at home with a headache (not alcohol induced...) and wait till I get tired enough to sleep.

21:09 Saturday Night.
And I sit at home with a headache (not alcohol induced...) and wait till I get tired enough to sleep.
I would say you've come to the right place to tire you! (Uhm, to spend enough time on to become tired I mean. Didn't soudn right first time!)
Oh, and get better soon - luckily my head doesn't hurt today (amazingly, I might have to add...)

-snip-
Indeed. Except that I think I'm about to get slung into ugly pitch battles with some US conservative patriots...but that's life.
Thanks though.

Indeed. Except that I think I'm about to get slung into ugly pitch battles with some US conservative patriots...but that's life.
Thanks though.
Hang in there!!! (I just read your thread #101 on the bloody-hand-thread) Good work!

Now, before we're accused of hijacking - I'll come back later and talk more cars.

BTW, Volkswagen even has a racing car which looks really cool:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_1.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_2.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_3.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_int.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_eng.jpg

(Now we're back on track :D)

Some more info on that monster: http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-VW-W12-Nardo.htm
Pretty cool, huh? :p

Hang in there!!! (I just read your thread #101 on the bloody-hand-thread) Good work!

Now, before we're accused of hijacking - I'll come back later and talk more cars.

BTW, Volkswagen even has a racing car which looks really cool:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_1.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_2.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_3.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_int.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/vw_w12c_eng.jpg

(Now we're back on track :D)

Bloody hell, you just won't let those beetles die, will you. :p Even though I know these photos aren't Kaefers.

Bloody hell, you just won't let those beetles die, will you. :p Even though I know these photos aren't Kaefers.

No. I have much luuuv for the luv-bug :D

BTW, Volkswagen even has a racing car which looks really cool...
While you're at it - wouldn't it be better to point at the Veyron? Turned out the W12 didn't sell very well. No one wanted to spend hundreds of Ks on a VW.
So now they build the "Bugatti" Veyron...
http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/

No. I have much luuuv for the luv-bug :D

Add a couple of cylinders, squash it down a bit & refine the styling. Then you'll get my interest.

-snip-
Vorhang auf....
Out comes the 911!

Vorhang auf....
Out comes the 911!

Must be close to 40 years old now & still getting better, albeit (I'm willing to bet) with no common parts with the original car.

While you're at it - wouldn't it be better to point at the Veyron? Turned out the W12 didn't sell very well. No one wanted to spend hundreds of Ks on a VW.
So now they build the "Bugatti" Veyron...
http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/
Gee, I always thought the W12 was only considered a concept car which eventually broke a whole bunch of world records. I didn't even know they were sold regularly?

It's said that there is an unoffical autobahn hierarchy:

Porsche
Mercedes
BMW
Audi
Volkswagen
Sachsenring

I got a feeling German Nightmare's not going to like this... ;)

Ah, well, that's okay with me. As long as I don't have those others tailgating me I'm fine.
Fastest I ever went in a Volkswagen Polo (http://www.catalog.auto.ru/images/17ec6349.jpg) was 197km/h downhill with tailwind and a warm-up distance of several kilometers fueled by 100 premium... I could feel every single little bump on the road. Actually kinda scary 'cause a Polo doesn't really have much of a deformable zone with that kind of speed.

Oh dear god.. a polo doing over 120mph!!! Your crazy! lol!

German cars are great, the Mercedes McLaren SLR is a masterpiece of Anglo/German engineering and just an incredible car. BUT and here is the big but, nothing can beat the sleakness of the Aston Martin DB9, the Aston has something that German or any other make of car just cannot get, it has class, a presence, beauty. An amazing car, which i can vouch does 160mph no problems (ironically on a German autobahn!).

Ah, well, that's okay with me. As long as I don't have those others tailgating me I'm fine.
Fastest I ever went in a Volkswagen Polo (http://www.catalog.auto.ru/images/17ec6349.jpg) was 197km/h downhill with tailwind and a warm-up distance of several kilometers fueled by 100 premium... I could feel every single little bump on the road. Actually kinda scary 'cause a Polo doesn't really have much of a deformable zone with that kind of speed.

Auf der Autobahn?

I got my Peugeot 306 over 200kmh on the open highways in the Northern Territory. That was a hoot. Felt pretty stable too.

Auf der Autobahn?
Yup. To quote Kraftwerk on this topic: Fahr'n, fahr'n, fahr'n auf der Autobahn!
Haven't gone beyond 180/185km/h lately. Way too much traffic. And you know how those people are: They pull in front of you when you need it the least... And the premium costs way more. That personal speed record (stunt?) was done about 2 years ago :D