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Pigeon-hole my views!

Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 17:43
Inspired by President Shrub (the NS user).

Here's what I believe.

Health

nationalised healthcare, private sector not allowed (except for non-essential operations such as plastic surgery, laser eye surgery and abortion)
free and easily accessible STD testing
Subsidized treatment for STDs
free contraception
pro-choice on abortion
Legalizing all recreational drugs*
Public drug rehabilitation *funded by the drugs industry


Education

Nationalised education, but allow private schools
against school uniforms
for co-ed schools
Oppose censorship
Oppose corporal punishment
Oppose abstinence-only education
Substantial public libraries funding
Increased funding for free school counseling


Economy

A progressive income tax (maximum top rate of 70%)
low corporate tax of 15%
pro-minimum wage
nationalised public transport
support corporate job subsides/welfare
Oppose farm subsidies
pro-inheritance tax
Social welfare for up to 6 months in good economy
moderate restrictions on size of stores (no hypermarkets, Wal-Mart, etc. allowed)
Support Fair trade, mildly support Free Trade


Environment

public green spaces within cities
support regulation of fuel emissions
support government subsidies to develop clean technologies and alternative energy
pro-minimum wage
Support nuclear energy
Oppose farm subsidies
pro-inheritance tax
Support subsidizing lumbering, promoting tree-planting


Society

moderate stance on immigration; allow immigrants to work
support public TV and radio funded by, but not controlled by the government
legalise abortion
Legalise gay marriage
Legalise prostitution
Oppose capital punishment
Supporting arts, music and culture


Foreign Policy

Substantial foreign aid
1 year of mandatory military service (with conscientius objector option)
Support substantial military spending
support spreading democracy and Iraq war
oppose economic relations with countries committing severe human rights violations
oppose US torture in Guantanamo Bay
oppose Russian policy in Chechnya
oppose Chinese occupation of Tibet
oppose US embargo against Cuba
support arms trade ban against China
Bodies Without Organs
06-07-2005, 17:47
Mandatory, but confidential STD testing at age 18


I know this thread isn't really for discussion of your views as such, but WHAT?
Dark Kanatia
06-07-2005, 17:48
Socialist neo-conservative

You're almost a pure socialist, except for your support of corporate welfare and in your foriegn policy. In foriegn policy you join the elite ranks of neo-conservative.

Why do you support corporate welfare but not farm subsidies?
Aldranin
06-07-2005, 17:50
You, my friend, are 99% commie, with a hint of redneck.
Syniks
06-07-2005, 17:51
Shotgun Libertarian with bad aim.

You hit most of the Libertarian points but a few pellets go wild.

Time for a new choke. :D
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 17:54
Socialist neo-conservative

You're almost a pure socialist, except for your support of corporate welfare and in your foriegn policy. In foriegn policy you join the elite ranks of neo-conservative.

Why do you support corporate welfare but not farm subsidies?
Funny, I thought that corporate welfare as an idea came from democratic socialism. It's the libertarian capitalists who are most opposed to it.

My support of corp welfare is not unrestrained. I don't want to support it to such an extend that market competition is rendered non-existent. Farm subsidies are too harmful to poor countries to support. I want them to work their own way out of poverty. My views are somewhat similar to Tony Blair's publicly expressed views on this issue.
Neo Rogolia
06-07-2005, 17:55
If we didn't agree on foreign policy, economy, and enviroment, I would choose wacko liberal :p
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 17:56
Shotgun Libertarian with bad aim.

You hit most of the Libertarian points but a few pellets go wild.
Seriously? When I put "libertarian" on the poll I very nearly put (ha!) next to it since I seem to disagree with you people on everything other than the social issues.
Dark Kanatia
06-07-2005, 17:57
Funny, I thought that corporate welfare as an idea came from democratic socialism. It's the libertarian capitalists who are most opposed to it.

My support of corp welfare is not unrestrained. I don't want to support it to such an extend that market competition is rendered non-existent. Farm subsidies are too harmful to poor countries to support. I want them to work their own way out of poverty. My views are somewhat similar to Tony Blair's publicly expressed views on this issue.
I think corporate welfare is from capitalists that are not as extreme as libertarians, that and just greedy corporations. I think most socialists are opposed to corporate welfare, except int he state takes over corporation and runs industry sort of way.
Sexygrrls
06-07-2005, 17:59
www.politicalcompass.org

At least that way, you get only one bias, instead of 1.2 million

Better yet, are you playing this game seriously, i.e., deciding issues the way you really would, as opposed to just checking the most screwed up alternative because it's cool? (You know you wanted to enforce mandatory nudism.) If so, then you already know what you are.
Bodies Without Organs
06-07-2005, 18:04
www.politicalcompass.org

At least that way, you get only one bias, instead of 1.2 million

Ah, sweet irony.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415351
New Sans
06-07-2005, 18:06
Alright I'm not sure what pigeon-holing is so I'll give it my best shot. *Ahem* Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberry. That about right?And here's the sarcasm disclaimer for those who can't recognize it.
Khaotik
06-07-2005, 18:09
The "mandatory 6 months of army service" (not your exact words, I know) is a little problematic, for two reasons:

1. It takes lots of effort, resources and especially time to train army recruits properly, especially if you want them to be good for more than just cannon fodder. If you pursue a policy of mandatory military service for a period of 6 months, that's not enough time to get a return on your investment, as it were.

2. Mandatory service can be a problem for some people. In Israel, where this policy is actually in force (but you probably knew that already), there are more than a few recruits who break down or commit suicide because they can't adjust. A "conscientous (sp?) objector" alternative - substituting intensive community service for military service - might be a solution to that.

Otherwise your ideas seem pretty well-thought-out. But I'm not a poli sci major or anything, so I'm not really one to judge.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 18:11
If we didn't agree on foreign policy, economy, and enviroment, I would choose wacko liberal :p
I am shocked, truly shocked, at this development!
San Theresa
06-07-2005, 18:15
Agree with you on most of these (:

Curious - why no school uniforms?
Drunk commies deleted
06-07-2005, 18:20
I agree with most of your positions. Some seem liberal, some seem conservative. I voted centrist.
The Lordship of Sauron
06-07-2005, 18:21
It's all about the Nazi.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 18:21
Curious - why no school uniforms?
They are an unnecessary infringement on civil rights.

The "mandatory 6 months of army service" (not your exact words, I know) is a little problematic, for two reasons:
Thanks for the tips. I have amended my list.

PS... I really would love to know who voted "Nazi" and "communist".
Bodies Without Organs
06-07-2005, 18:22
They are an unnecessary infringement on civil rights.

But compulsory medical tests aren't?
Khaotik
06-07-2005, 18:23
Alright I'm not sure what pigeon-holing is so I'll give it my best shot. *Ahem* Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberry. That about right?And here's the sarcasm disclaimer for those who can't recognize it.

"Pigeonholes" are like an array of little mailboxes or shelves. The poster means "pigeonhole my views" in the sense of "put my views in the box you think they should be in." Of course, he (she?) is also being a bit facetious - "look at my views and slap one of the following generalized, inadequately descriptive labels on it!" ;)
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 18:25
But compulsory medical tests aren't?
Note my use of the word unnecessary.
Khaotik
06-07-2005, 18:26
But compulsory medical tests aren't?

I think compulsory medical tests are an infringement on civil rights - if you discount drug tests. Such tests should be voluntary, or required only when there's a damn good reason to suspect that something's up. If you start with compulsory tests, it's easy to slide into sterilization and other operations that the patient doesn't consent to.

Testing should not be compulsory, but it should be free and easily accessible.
San Theresa
06-07-2005, 18:32
They are an unnecessary infringement on civil rights.

How do you feel about business dress?
Bodies Without Organs
06-07-2005, 18:35
Note my use of the word unnecessary.

I noted it, but still consider making them mandatory for everyone over the age of 18 to be unpalatable.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 18:43
I think compulsory medical tests are an infringement on civil rights - if you discount drug tests. Such tests should be voluntary, or required only when there's a damn good reason to suspect that something's up. If you start with compulsory tests, it's easy to slide into sterilization and other operations that the patient doesn't consent to.

Testing should not be compulsory, but it should be free and easily accessible.
Good points, I'll change policy on this one.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 18:47
How do you feel about business dress?
Businesses should be free to adopt their own dress codes, as should private schools.
SimNewtonia
06-07-2005, 18:50
Businesses should be free to adopt their own dress codes, as should private schools.

There really needs to be a regulation that uniforms are actually COMFORTABLE...
Lacadaemon
06-07-2005, 19:06
I would say you sound like a mild authoritarian socialist: with the left wing personal freedoms, but at the same time conscription. Also the need to punish individual wage earners, but not large corporations for generating income. (Which is bad for the economy in any case).

That and the mandatory medical tests.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 19:07
There really needs to be a regulation that uniforms are actually COMFORTABLE...
I agree, but I see trouble arising when one oversensitive person doesn't find their uniform sufficiently comfortable.
The Black Forrest
06-07-2005, 19:09
Hmm what is your politics?

Hmmm?

How about a drunkard? ;)
Free Soviets
06-07-2005, 19:14
sounds to me like you fall towards the somewhat left end of the social democrats
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 19:16
Hmm what is your politics?

Hmmm?

How about a drunkard? ;)
yarrr! free treatment for hangovers! let me not go to work tomorrow mornin!
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 20:43
alright, whoever so voted, explain how I'm a Nazi!
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 20:48
I would say you sound like a mild authoritarian socialist: with the left wing personal freedoms, but at the same time conscription. Also the need to punish individual wage earners, but not large corporations for generating income. (Which is bad for the economy in any case).
I need to lower the corporation tax in order to attract foreign investment. Income tax must be kept higher because, as you see, I need to get money from somewhere for all my programmes. I'm jacking up spending right across the board here.
Free Soviets
06-07-2005, 20:52
alright, whoever so voted, explain how I'm a Nazi!

well, the giant poster of hitler in a swimsuit hanging in your bedroom is something of a hint
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 21:56
well, the giant poster of hitler in a swimsuit hanging in your bedroom is something of a hint
lries!

I took the Political compass test again.

Economic Left/Right: -2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

Looks like I've moved to the left and become more authoritarian.
Syniks
06-07-2005, 22:30
lries!
Yes! I Aglee! Arr Ries! He has poster of Chailman Mao!

I took the Political compass test again.

Economic Left/Right: -2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

Looks like I've moved to the left and become more authoritarian.
See! Not Hitrer, Mao! :D
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 23:28
Yes! I Aglee! Arr Ries! He has poster of Chailman Mao!

See! Not Hitrer, Mao!
Looks like we have a candidate for the gulag.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 23:43
Socialist neo-conservative

You're almost a pure socialist, except for your support of corporate welfare and in your foriegn policy. In foriegn policy you join the elite ranks of neo-conservative.

Why do you support corporate welfare but not farm subsidies?
Come to think of it, my policies remind me of an updated FDR for the 21st century. He was a democratic socialist, but with hawkish foreign policy, corporate welfare and *sigh* farm subsidies.

I don't see why my support of a more interventionist foreign policy makes me any less socialist.
Nationalist Mongolia
06-07-2005, 23:50
They are an unnecessary infringement on civil rights.


Thanks for the tips. I have amended my list.

PS... I really would love to know who voted "Nazi" and "communist".
I did, you seem so far from "nazi" that I couldn't resist. :D
Yupaenu
07-07-2005, 14:31
you sound like either a very very light socialist, or a libertarian. also, you made me think, wouldn't a dictatorship be a very small government? cause in a dictatorship, there's only one person, pretty small, compared to the over thousands in england or such countries. unless you include military as government, then dictatorships are probably huge.
Yupaenu
07-07-2005, 14:32
Looks like we have a candidate for the gulag.
oooh! may i do the honours?(takes out large axe)
Perkeleenmaa
07-07-2005, 14:59
The "mandatory 6 months of army service" (not your exact words, I know) is a little problematic, for two reasons:

1. It takes lots of effort, resources and especially time to train army recruits properly, especially if you want them to be good for more than just cannon fodder. If you pursue a policy of mandatory military service for a period of 6 months, that's not enough time to get a return on your investment, as it were.

2. Mandatory service can be a problem for some people. In Israel, where this policy is actually in force (but you probably knew that already), there are more than a few recruits who break down or commit suicide because they can't adjust. A "conscientous (sp?) objector" alternative - substituting intensive community service for military service - might be a solution to that.

Otherwise your ideas seem pretty well-thought-out. But I'm not a poli sci major or anything, so I'm not really one to judge.

Point 1: No. Let's say that again: no. For example, Finland's military expenditure is one of the lowest in Europe, because it's a conscription army. About competency: it's designed to resist and deter an invasion by a force much greater in number. In the WW2, the same army resisted an invasion by a force 5 times as large. Conscription, when properly done, is efficient and low-cost.

Point 2: Then the army has to find an use for these people. Suicides are a sign of maladministration and hazing, not a normal state. Unsurprisingly, there are two conscientous objector options, namely no weapons and no military service at all. This extends the service to one year.
Swimmingpool
07-07-2005, 22:44
I did, you seem so far from "nazi" that I couldn't resist. :D
That's it! I'm invading your country, just to prove you wrong!