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A year of NS

Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:19
Well, since my join date was in July of last year, I'm turning one on NS:) So, I thought I'd reflect on what that year has meant to me!

1) It allowed me to survive the dullest job I've ever had. Things are picking up soon, so this next year promises to be very busy, meaning I won't have nearly as much time on NS as before, but it's a good trade off, and I'll still be around!

2) I have changed, or strengthened my position on a number of issues:

a) I am no longer blasé about gun control. I am now very much against it, though joining the NRA is never going to be an option. For me, it is NOT an issue of self-defense, it is an issue of self-determination, and a strong cultural tie to hunting.

b) My feminism has become much more intelligent from debates with people like Cat Tribe, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents and others. I have a clearer vision of how I would like to work for gender equity both in the West and in terms of supporting international efforts.

c) I have really developed an appreciation for people of the US. While I am still extremely anti-US government, I think I am less anti-American. I've met some incredibly reasonable and persuasive USians (haha!) on this forum, and you've (mostly) been excellent ambassadors for your nation!

d) I am much more in favour of less government control. I still see things from a semi-socialist (the welfare of all is more important than the welfare of the few) viewpoint, but I am much more in favour of self-determination than government intervention. Don't friggin' call me a Libertarian though:) I'm just a lefty, period!

e) I've learned to flesh out my arguments better, learned how to refine them and how to control my emotional responses to provocative responses. This has actually really helped in RL with my debating skills (no, no debate clubs, rather, community organising). I've cached sources that other NSers have reviewed, or referred to that I found particularly useful, and I've gotten a lot better at reviewing all sources critically.

e) I was very anti-smoking, but I can no longer resolve that stance with my anti-government one, and this is definitely an issue that's become less solidified for me. DAMN YOU MELKOR!!!!!

There are other things that I have changed my mind about, or learned more about, arguments I have been presented with that I'd never seen before...all of it has been wonderful. It has helped me solidify and flesh out my belief systems, and has prompted me on a number of occasions to real action in RL.

A number of you have had a direct and rather long-term impact on me during my time at NS, some of you because you've been here about as long or longer than me, or you really challenged me in some way to review my stance on certain issues. Quick list, sorry if I forget anyone, I'll add you in as you come to mind!

The Cat Tribe, Alien Born, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents, Dobbsworld, Drunk Commies, Santa Barbara, Melkor Unchained, Izta... (Christ, can't spell that!), Neo Anarchists, Jordaxia, Sdaeriji, Carnivorous Lickers, Pure Metal, Fass, Occidio Multus, Bitchkitten, Ashmoria, Niccolo Medici (though a fairly recent influence), Canukheaven, Willemena, Swimmingpool, Sumumba Buwhan, Potaria, Zotona, Kat, Intangelon, Syniks, [B0zzy and Cornelieu, you stick out as the two I disagree with the most, but still, stick out in my mind you do]...Vittos Ordination, Personal Responsibilit...
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 17:21
It's certainly been a much more interesting year, having you around, gorgeous. :D
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:23
I guess my point in posting this is that I want to show that NS DOES in fact make an impact on people...just as any sort of 'debate' group would, and sort of political social group would...and overall I've found the NS experience to be a very positive one. So, YAY NS!!!
Drunk commies deleted
06-07-2005, 17:24
I'm honored to be mentioned on your list. Thanks Sinuhue.
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 17:26
Fleshy!

Glad you've brightened up our lives here Sinner!:fluffle:
Screegor
06-07-2005, 17:27
I guess my point in posting this is that I want to show that NS DOES in fact make an impact on people...just as any sort of 'debate' group would, and sort of political social group would...and overall I've found the NS experience to be a very positive one. So, YAY NS!!!

Of course it impacts people - although it has changed so much in the past year, last time I was posting properly there were far less politics and problems, and far more chat and fun.
Change for a better?

Anyway well done - a year is a long time, (for some)
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 17:27
For crying out loud... Ok- happy NS birthday. The forums a better place with you making us all aware of you.
Jellybean Development
06-07-2005, 17:27
party time ppl :p
Xanaz
06-07-2005, 17:28
What? No Zeppistan or Stephistan? LOL It's okay. ;)
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:30
For crying out loud... Ok- happy NS birthday. The forums a better place with you making us all aware of you.

Ah, shud up:). This isn't an attempt at a "these are the posters I love" thread...but rather a sort of an "impact statement". Hopefully most of you have had some sort of eureka moment on NS too...or have had your minds changed at one point or another by the arguments of others???

So, rather than making this a social thread (not my intention) perhaps you crusty old bastards can share some of those moments too?
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 17:30
I'm honored to be mentioned on your list. Thanks Sinuhue.

I concur. I did not know you thought so highly of me. Thank you.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:31
What? No Zeppistan or Stephistan? LOL It's okay. ;)
Well, Steph and Zepp (in these incarnations) are gonzo, and I never interacted THAT much with them, so I left them out. Except now I haven't:)
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 17:31
What? No Zeppistan or Stephistan? LOL It's okay. ;)


OMFG welcome back! I never knew! :D
Sarzonia
06-07-2005, 17:32
I think you said it very well: NS can have a positive impact on people.

I know I for one have become more aware of world issues than I was before I started the RP aspect of this game. I immersed myself in learning about military information that I never even touched before (like information about guns, which I never bothered with until I started this game).

Before I came to NS, I thought writing novels was the territory of other people, even though I write in many other genres. When I saw some of the better roleplayers and I decided to start emulating them to an extent, it made me realise that I was writing very novel-styled posts and then I wanted to start writing my own novel. Now, I'm gathering source material for that novel.

I've also made a number of friends on this site who have all left their mark. I'd said before that age is just a number and this game has proven that to me time and again. I've found out when the things you have in common with someone who may be a world away are more important than the differences.

Thank you, Sinuhue and thank you NationStates.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:33
I think you said it very well: NS can have a positive impact on people.
Hah! You see that Carnivorous Lickers! A poster who realises I wasn't attention whoring! You grumpy bum!
Xanaz
06-07-2005, 17:34
Well, Steph and Zepp (in these incarnations) are gonzo, and I never interacted THAT much with them, so I left them out. Except now I haven't:)

I have been back as Xanaz for some time now.. and Zep came back for a short time as a joke as "Leperous monkeyballs" hehe. I mean couldn't you tell his writing style in between the F words? LOL ;)
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:34
OMFG welcome back! I never knew! :D
Hmmmmm...is this truth or conspiracy? Interesting! Isn't it weird how a simply name change can make you think of a poster differently?
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 17:34
Ah, shud up:). This isn't an attempt at a "these are the posters I love" thread...but rather a sort of an "impact statement". Hopefully most of you have had some sort of eureka moment on NS too...or have had your minds changed at one point or another by the arguments of others???

So, rather than making this a social thread (not my intention) perhaps you crusty old bastards can share some of those moments too?


If "impact" includes the marks on my head from its repeated contact with the wall after reading an "inspiring" post, then yes-several have made an impact.
I never say "eureka" though. The words I select are shorter and cruder-er.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:34
I have been back as Xanaz for some time now.. and Zep came back for a short time as a joke as "Leperous monkeyballs" hehe. I mean couldn't you tell his writing style in between the F words? LOL ;)
AHA! No, no I couldn't...though that was amusing:)

Well, welcome back!
Xanaz
06-07-2005, 17:35
OMFG welcome back! I never knew! :D

Hehe, thanks Sumamba, :)

Peace,
Stephanie.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:36
If "impact" includes the marks on my head from its repeated contact with the wall after reading an "inspiring" post, then yes-several have made an impact.
I never say "eureka" though. The words I select are shorter and cruder-er.
Oh come on now...surely you don't keep coming back because the interacting is all negative? Surely you aren't that masochistic? Surely SOME posters have inspired you in some way? SURELY YOU"VE GAINED SOMETHING!!!??? (and not just lost brain cells?)
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 17:38
Hah! You see that Carnivorous Lickers! A poster who realises I wasn't attention whoring! You grumpy bum!


Why,I oughtta...

And I'm sure I've already made my impact on you anyway. You'll have the dream soon...
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 17:41
Oh come on now...surely you don't keep coming back because the interacting is all negative? Surely you aren't that masochistic? Surely SOME posters have inspired you in some way? SURELY YOU"VE GAINED SOMETHING!!!??? (and not just lost brain cells?)


I didnt say it was all negative- I usually have a few laughs on the lighter threads like this. And when you're in the right mood, you're good for some laughs.
And honestly, if someone has inspired me, I cant remember it. I'm not saying it didnt happen, but you're talking to a guy thats been hit with a few fast balls.
Bodies Without Organs
06-07-2005, 17:44
Formerly known as Stephistan. (Just waiting for the moderators to bring back my old nation)

And on that bombshell...
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 17:49
Zepp was Leperous Monkeyballs? lol - no in truth I didn't like reading Zepps posts with everyother word being the f word. Although I agreed with what he was saying I felt that everything he said was being discredited, I guess, by his language.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 17:51
Zepp was Leperous Monkeyballs? lol - no in truth I didn't like reading Zepps posts with everyother word being the f word. Although I agreed with what he was saying I felt that everything he said was being discredited, I guess, by his language.
Ditto.
Druids and Wizards
06-07-2005, 17:52
I'm new to NS myself, but I hope I can get as much out of it as you have.

Greetings everyone. :)
Syniks
06-07-2005, 18:19
Ditto.TG Re Change (a). Hope you enjoy it.
Pure Metal
06-07-2005, 18:23
Well, since my join date was in July of last year, I'm turning one on NS:) So, I thought I'd reflect on what that year has meant to me!

1) It allowed me to survive the most dull job I've ever had. Things are picking up soon, so this next year promises to be very busy, meaning I won't have nearly as much time on NS as before, but it's a good trade off, and I'll still be around!

2) I have changed, or strengthened my position on a number of issues:

a) I am no longer blasé about gun control. I am now very much against it, though joining the NRA is never going to be an option. For me, it is NOT an issue of self-defense, it is an issue of self-determination, and a strong cultural tie to hunting.

b) My feminism has become much more intelligent from debates with people like Cat Tribe, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents and others. I have a clearer vision of how I would like to work for gender equity both in the West and in terms of supporting international efforts.

c) I have really developed an appreciation for people of the US. While I am still extremely anti-US government, I think I am less anti-American. I've met some incredibly reasonable and persuasive USians (haha!) on this forum, and you've (mostly) been excellent ambassadors for your nation!

d) I am much more in favour of less government control. I still see things from a semi-socialist (the welfare of all is more important than the welfare of the few) viewpoint, but I am much more in favour of self-determination than government intervention. Don't friggin' call me a Libertarian though:) I'm just a lefty, period!

e) I've learned to flesh out my arguments better, learned how to refine them and how to control my emotional responses to provocative responses. This has actually really helped in RL with my debating skills (no, no debate clubs, rather, community organising). I've cached sources that other NSers have reviewed, or referred to that I found particularly useful, and I've gotten a lot better at reviewing all sources critically.

e) I was very anti-smoking, but I can no longer resolve that stance with my anti-government one, and this is definitely an issue that's become less solidified for me. DAMN YOU MELKOR!!!!!

There are other things that I have changed my mind about, or learned more about, arguments I have been presented with that I'd never seen before...all of it has been wonderful. It has helped me solidify and flesh out my belief systems, and has prompted me on a number of occasions to real action in RL.

A number of you have had a direct and rather long-term impact on me during my time at NS, some of you because you've been here about as long or longer than me, or you really challenged me in some way to review my stance on certain issues. Quick list, sorry if I forget anyone, I'll add you in as you come to mind!

The Cat Tribe, Alien Born, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents, Dobbsworld, Drunk Commies, Santa Barbara, Melkor Unchained, Izta... (Christ, can't spell that!), Neo Anarchists, Jordaxia, Sdaeriji, Carnivorous Lickers, Pure Metal, Fass, Occidio Multus, Bitchkitten, Ashmoria, Niccolo Medici (though a fairly recent influence), Canukheaven, Swimmingpool, Sumumba Buwhan, Potaria, Zotona, Kat, Intangelon...
happy first birthday :)
and on a quick read through (i gotta go in a sec) the same sort of stuff has happened to me in the last few months i've been here... especially the hardening of so many of my beliefs (and finally turning communist :cool: )
my first (forum) birthday will be in october (after nation's bday), btw :)

and w00t! i'm on the list :fluffle:
now what the hell did i do? :confused: :p




I'm new to NS myself, but I hope I can get as much out of it as you have.

Greetings everyone. :)
welcome to NS General & enjoy your stay :)
you might want to take a gander at this http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428618
Legless Pirates
06-07-2005, 18:27
go Sinuhue. You beat me to it
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 19:10
go Sinuhue. You beat me to it
Well happy 1st Birthday to you too!!!!! *throws confetti*
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 19:16
Well, since my join date was in July of last year, I'm turning one on NS:) So, I thought I'd reflect on what that year has meant to me!

1) It allowed me to survive the most dull job I've ever had. Things are picking up soon, so this next year promises to be very busy, meaning I won't have nearly as much time on NS as before, but it's a good trade off, and I'll still be around!

2) I have changed, or strengthened my position on a number of issues:

a) I am no longer blasé about gun control. I am now very much against it, though joining the NRA is never going to be an option. For me, it is NOT an issue of self-defense, it is an issue of self-determination, and a strong cultural tie to hunting.

b) My feminism has become much more intelligent from debates with people like Cat Tribe, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents and others. I have a clearer vision of how I would like to work for gender equity both in the West and in terms of supporting international efforts.

c) I have really developed an appreciation for people of the US. While I am still extremely anti-US government, I think I am less anti-American. I've met some incredibly reasonable and persuasive USians (haha!) on this forum, and you've (mostly) been excellent ambassadors for your nation!

d) I am much more in favour of less government control. I still see things from a semi-socialist (the welfare of all is more important than the welfare of the few) viewpoint, but I am much more in favour of self-determination than government intervention. Don't friggin' call me a Libertarian though:) I'm just a lefty, period!

e) I've learned to flesh out my arguments better, learned how to refine them and how to control my emotional responses to provocative responses. This has actually really helped in RL with my debating skills (no, no debate clubs, rather, community organising). I've cached sources that other NSers have reviewed, or referred to that I found particularly useful, and I've gotten a lot better at reviewing all sources critically.

e) I was very anti-smoking, but I can no longer resolve that stance with my anti-government one, and this is definitely an issue that's become less solidified for me. DAMN YOU MELKOR!!!!!

There are other things that I have changed my mind about, or learned more about, arguments I have been presented with that I'd never seen before...all of it has been wonderful. It has helped me solidify and flesh out my belief systems, and has prompted me on a number of occasions to real action in RL.

A number of you have had a direct and rather long-term impact on me during my time at NS, some of you because you've been here about as long or longer than me, or you really challenged me in some way to review my stance on certain issues. Quick list, sorry if I forget anyone, I'll add you in as you come to mind!

The Cat Tribe, Alien Born, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents, Dobbsworld, Drunk Commies, Santa Barbara, Melkor Unchained, Izta... (Christ, can't spell that!), Neo Anarchists, Jordaxia, Sdaeriji, Carnivorous Lickers, Pure Metal, Fass, Occidio Multus, Bitchkitten, Ashmoria, Niccolo Medici (though a fairly recent influence), Canukheaven, Swimmingpool, Sumumba Buwhan, Potaria, Zotona, Kat, Intangelon, Syniks...

I think this is an amazing statement to make. And I don't just say that because I want to see you naked. :) I have gotten comments from people in my RL that I seem a lot more reasonable when I debate with them. A friend of mine used to say that I went hunting rabbits with a bazooka just in case I encountered a bear. I'm pretty sure that means he wanted me to chill, what do you think?

Anyway, thanks for what you said and thanks for hanging out with us.

Eric
Czardas
06-07-2005, 19:18
Happy Birthday!!!

Since...okay, June, I've known what threads to read by clicking on the ones with your name near them!

It's been a fun couple of months. ;)

I'm not on the list :( but then I hardly post in any serious threads anymore, lol!
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 19:21
I think this is an amazing statement to make. And I don't just say that because I want to see you naked. :) I have gotten comments from people in my RL that I seem a lot more reasonable when I debate with them. A friend of mine used to say that I went hunting rabbits with a bazooka just in case I encountered a bear. I'm pretty sure that means he wanted me to chill, what do you think? Hahahaha...my friends always said I was like a lioness in the grass...waving my tail to distract my prey and then going straight for the throat when they least expected it. I still do that...but I do it MUCH more effectively now:)

Anyway, thanks for what you said and thanks for hanging out with us.

Eric
Eric? I never pictured you as an Eric...more like a....um....well...a Jocabia I guess :eek: nevermind!
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 19:22
I'm not on the list :( but then I hardly post in any serious threads anymore, lol!
Don't worry...once I interact with you more, you'll no doubt be on the list:) Keep in mind...I don't agree with all the people in 'the list'...but they have made an impact on me one way or another.
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 19:23
Happy Anniversary, Sinuhue!

I am most honored by your mention, and I will gladly admit that you and many of those same posters you named have helped me greatly with regard to interaction online.

In the early days, I'd go to political chat rooms to find out what "the nation" was thinking about any given issue. My cynicism grew exponentially as I began to see my time in forums as more of a zoo visit than anything constructive. When I wanted to witness social entropy, I went online.

NationStates has proven me delightfully wrong. Yes, there are a few boilerplate-spewing Right and Left zealots, but on the main, most folks here seem to relish a good, fair, and open debate on just about any issue.

NS has taught me intellectual humility, self-censorship, a LOT about beliefs both religious and secular, argument craft and many more things. I admit that I am not always the best student, but I find that I eventually come around when someone like Sinuhue reminds me that I'm being a real jackass.

Thanks for that, and thanks, NS, for being a cut above the usual level of social discourse.

Nathan L., d/b/a Magister Jubal of Intangelon
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 19:29
I think this is an amazing statement to make. And I don't just say that because I want to see you naked. :)

Eric


Naked and doing alternating jumping jacks and squat thrusts.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 19:29
Naked and doing alternating jumping jacks and squat thrusts.
huhhuhhhhuh...you said 'thrusts'...hhhuhhhuhuh [/beavis and butthead impression]
Czardas
06-07-2005, 19:33
Don't worry...once I interact with you more, you'll no doubt be on the list:) Keep in mind...I don't agree with all the people in 'the list'...but they have made an impact on me one way or another.Yeah, you mostly stick to debating, and I make my postcount off threads like, well, this one.

Eric? I never pictured you as an Eric...more like a....um....well...a Jocabia I guess:eek:nevermind!I always pictured him as...well....looking just like the guy in the picture. You know? :D
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 19:35
Naked and doing alternating jumping jacks and squat thrusts.

On my lap.
Czardas
06-07-2005, 19:36
huhhuhhhhuh...you said 'thrusts'...hhhuhhhuhuh [/beavis and butthead impression]I think that was intended, Siny? (or however you abbreviate your name, I've got a thing for abbreviations...I'd abbreviate "Myrth" if I could, lol)
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 19:37
On my lap.


well.. no offence, but that just ruined it for me.
Katganistan
06-07-2005, 19:37
Happy forum birthday; hope you managed to keep SOME of your sanity!


=^.^=
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 19:38
well.. no offence, but that just ruined it for me.

Not for me it didn't. :D
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 19:39
huhhuhhhhuh...you said 'thrusts'...hhhuhhhuhuh [/beavis and butthead impression]


See-this is one of those times, while not an "impact", per se, you make me laugh..
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 19:43
Not for me it didn't. :D


Selfish... maybe we could each grab an ankle and make a wish
Czardas
06-07-2005, 19:44
Happy forum birthday; hope you managed to keep SOME of your sanity!


=^.^=She kept more than I did at any rate! Of course I had none to begin with, and she probably had some...but then, who knows really? :D
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 19:45
Selfish... maybe we could each grab an ankle and make a wish

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Agreed.
Czardas
06-07-2005, 19:47
Selfish... maybe we could each grab an ankle and make a wishHow many ankles do they have again? Five, or seven? I've forgotten. Shouldn't have cut all those bio classes, I shouldn't.
Swimmingpool
06-07-2005, 20:00
Yay!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/sinuhuewithaxetogrind.jpg

I'm on the list!
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 20:05
How many ankles do they have again? Five, or seven? I've forgotten. Shouldn't have cut all those bio classes, I shouldn't.


I'm betting a Sinuhue has two ankles. Any more and I'd lose interest.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:06
I'm betting a Sinuhue has two ankles. Any more and I'd lose interest.
Well you guys can just forget about ripping me in half like a wishbone, okay? Thanks. Bumheads.
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 20:09
Well you guys can just forget about ripping me in half like a wishbone, okay? Thanks. Bumheads.

Aww...we didnt want to rip you in half, sweetness... just picking who gets what.
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:13
Hahahaha...my friends always said I was like a lioness in the grass...waving my tail to distract my prey and then going straight for the throat when they least expected it. I still do that...but I do it MUCH more effectively now:)


Eric? I never pictured you as an Eric...more like a....um....well...a Jocabia I guess :eek: nevermind!

*grins* When most people call me by the wrong name, it's Brian. Also, every time I meet some girl who starts something up with me and then she confesses she has a boyfriend it is always Brian.

Example: A girl spends the night with me and we make out a little after we ran into each other at a bar. She was my physical trainer, so I'd known her for a couple of months. So we go out on a date and I try to kiss her at some point and she stops me.

Her: I have to tell you something. I have a boyfriend. I don't know when would have been a good time to tell you that.
Me: Um, before you spent the night might have been ideal.
Her: Yeah, I'm not sure what's going to happen with Brian, but I have to see where it's going before I consider any other options. (yes, everyone in my life sounds like the teenagers on Dawson's Creek)
Me: BRIAN!?!?! BRIAN?!?!? FUCKING BRIANS!!!!
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:19
I always pictured him as...well....looking just like the guy in the picture. You know? :D

You are not allowed to picture me. I don't care if you do rule the universe.
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:21
Naked and doing alternating jumping jacks and squat thrusts.

Yeah, I've given up on that idea. She's a bit physically lazy.
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 20:23
Yeah, I've given up on that idea. She's a bit physically lazy.


I dont think shes really lazy, just needs a little incentive...
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:29
I dont think shes really lazy, just needs a little incentive...

I offered her a BIG incentive, but she's too in love with her husband.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:34
Yeah, I've given up on that idea. She's a bit physically lazy.
Hah! I have two children. You don't get the OPTION to be physically lazy when you got young kids. And I suspect I could carry you around for a couple of hours without getting tired...I got those ripped 'mom' arms. Of course...you'd look a little stupid slung on my hip...
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 20:35
Hah! I have two children. You don't get the OPTION to be physically lazy when you got young kids. And I suspect I could carry you around for a couple of hours without getting tired...I got those ripped 'mom' arms. Of course...you'd look a little stupid slung on my hip...

Hmm, I don't know if I believe that. I think we need some visual evidence. :D
Colodia
06-07-2005, 20:39
One year birthdays are great reflection times.

For example, do you realize you spend hours with US? Of all people!
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:39
Hmm, I don't know if I believe that. I think we need some visual evidence. :D
No problem. See here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/sinuhuebiceps.jpg) sweetcheeks!
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:40
Hah! I have two children. You don't get the OPTION to be physically lazy when you got young kids. And I suspect I could carry you around for a couple of hours without getting tired...I got those ripped 'mom' arms. Of course...you'd look a little stupid slung on my hip...

As long as I get to feed, I'm willing to look stupid. I'm booking a flight to Canade right now!!! ;-)

And if you can carry me around for a couple of hours I'll pay for you house.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:41
One year birthdays are great reflection times.

For example, do you realize you spend hours with US? Of all people!
Scarily enough, if you consider I spend an average of five working hours on NS, over a year, that's about 1200 hours total! ARGHHHH!!!!!
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 20:42
No problem. See here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/sinuhuebiceps.jpg) sweetcheeks!

Not bad.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:42
As long as I get to feed, I'm willing to look stupid. I'm booking a flight to Canade right now!!! ;-) Sorry, I'm all dried up.

And if you can carry me around for a couple of hours I'll pay for you house.
How many hours are we talking? Would two get me my house paid off? I'd pay for your ticket if that were the case...
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 20:42
No problem. See here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/sinuhuebiceps.jpg) sweetcheeks!


Those aren't "mom arms" - not on my mom at least
Colodia
06-07-2005, 20:43
Scarily enough, if you consider I spend an average of five working hours on NS, over a year, that's about 1200 hours total! ARGHHHH!!!!!
Oh wow. I haven't spent that much time on NS myself. Damn.
ProMonkians
06-07-2005, 20:43
No problem. See here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/sinuhuebiceps.jpg) sweetcheeks!

Most blatantley a fake tan
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:43
Not bad.
Yup. I regularly crack walnuts between my buttocks.

It's weird though...I started getting all ripped and slowly turned white...what the hell, eh?
Sdaeriji
06-07-2005, 20:46
Yup. I regularly crack walnuts between my buttocks.

It's weird though...I started getting all ripped and slowly turned white...what the hell, eh?

Yeah. Now you have to go get sunburned to get back the way you were. :p
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:46
Those aren't "mom arms" - not on my mom at least
Okay okay, I'm not quite that ripped. But I have a lot more strength in my arms than most people, for specific things like lifting and holding...kids are wonderful for weight training because the weight slowly increases and so does your strength. I like to balance them on my feet and do reverse squats too. Or put them on my feet while I'm on the couch and lift them up...wicked for the abs. And they love it! Imagine it now....the new weight routine...CHILDREN!!!!
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:46
Sorry, I'm all dried up.


How many hours are we talking? Would two get me my house paid off? I'd pay for your ticket if that were the case...

I don't care how buff you are, Sin, you couldn't carry around 200 pounds for two hours. I'm in great shape and tend to go hiking with intentionally heave packs, and I think I would have trouble carrying you around for two hours.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 20:47
I don't care how buff you are, Sin, you couldn't carry around 200 pounds for two hours. I'm in great shape and tend to go hiking with intentionally heave packs, and I think I would have trouble carrying you around for two hours.
There is no WAY you are 200 pounds! Unless that picture is a fake? I mean...stringbean boy...I'd guess 150 at the MOST! 200!!!???? Fogedaboudit!
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 20:54
There is no WAY you are 200 pounds! Unless that picture is a fake? I mean...stringbean boy...I'd guess 150 at the MOST! 200!!!???? Fogedaboudit!

I had a girl bet me about it last year. When I won, I got to use her boat for a weekend. The most I've weighed since I was 19 is 226 (that was on my last birthday, by the way). The least is 165 pounds after nearly dying in Norway almost a decade ago and i looked like a skeleton with sunken eyes and all. When I'm not working out and I'm eating healthy I tend to be around 185 or 190 these days. However, if today every ounce of fat fell off my body I would be just under 180. 150 is a ridiculous number.
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 20:56
Okay okay, I'm not quite that ripped. But I have a lot more strength in my arms than most people, for specific things like lifting and holding...kids are wonderful for weight training because the weight slowly increases and so does your strength. I like to balance them on my feet and do reverse squats too. Or put them on my feet while I'm on the couch and lift them up...wicked for the abs. And they love it! Imagine it now....the new weight routine...CHILDREN!!!!


heh - we could sell videos that help moms stay in (or get back into) shape while teaching their kids to count.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 21:01
heh - we could sell videos that help moms stay in (or get back into) shape while teaching their kids to count.
Ha! Don't laugh! I bet we could get a lot of money off that sort of thing! "Don't spend money on expensive gym fees, entertain your children and get fit at the same time!"

Actually, what got me into 'exercising with the kidlings' was a native women's program up north after my first child...it was a program teaching women how to cook nutritional food, how to 'play' with the kids and get back into shape...basically a parenting course, which for many of us is an extreme necessity since so many of us had very poor role models in parents. I went not because of this, but because I was extremely isolated up there, and it allowed me to interact with other moms and kids. Still...I felt kind of strange there, like I was 'flaunting' my good upbringing, education, stable marriage and career...a bit of that 'white man's guilt' everyone talks about? It was weird. But good. They never really saw me as trying to act better than them.
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 21:03
Ha! Don't laugh! I bet we could get a lot of money off that sort of thing! "Don't spend money on expensive gym fees, entertain your children and get fit at the same time!"

Actually, what got me into 'exercising with the kidlings' was a native women's program up north after my first child...it was a program teaching women how to cook nutritional food, how to 'play' with the kids and get back into shape...basically a parenting course, which for many of us is an extreme necessity since so many of us had very poor role models in parents. I went not because of this, but because I was extremely isolated up there, and it allowed me to interact with other moms and kids. Still...I felt kind of strange there, like I was 'flaunting' my good upbringing, education, stable marriage and career...a bit of that 'white man's guilt' everyone talks about? It was weird. But good. They never really saw me as trying to act better than them.


actually I was being serious that this could be a good program. I use my fiancees neice to exercise whenever she comes over. They should sell kids as workout equipment on late nite infomercials
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 21:07
actually I was being serious that this could be a good program. I use my fiancees neice to exercise whenever she comes over. They should sell kids as workout equipment on late nite infomercials
HHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

We'll open up a gym at the orphan farm:)
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 21:11
HHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

We'll open up a gym at the orphan farm:)


These ideas keep getting better and better. I like it, the orphanage can make money this way to put the kids thru school/counseling/job training and get them decent food and clothing - and the patrons of the gym can give the kids companionship. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 21:14
These ideas keep getting better and better. I like it, the orphanage can make money this way to put the kids thru school/counseling/job training and get them decent food and clothing - and the patrons of the gym can give the kids companionship. Sounds like a win-win to me.
I can see the headlines now:

Pro:
Orphan children finally made useful!

Con:
Poor children manhandled like exercise equipment!

Confused:
Can children safely be used like the StairMaster?
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 21:20
I can see the headlines now:

Pro:
Orphan children finally made useful!

Con:
Poor children manhandled like exercise equipment!

Confused:
Can children safely be used like the StairMaster?

Plus, everyone will get upset when Michael Jackson becomes a regular member. "What? I was just doing wrist exercises!"

PS. It's a joke, people. Lighten up.
Carnivorous Lickers
06-07-2005, 21:51
No problem. See here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/sinuhue/sinuhuebiceps.jpg) sweetcheeks!

Not good enough. I could claim that to be a picture of me.

I'm still picturing Disney's Pocahantas, so "Ha-Ha" (Nelson from the Simpsons)
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 22:45
Not good enough. I could claim that to be a picture of me.

I'm still picturing Disney's Pocahantas, so "Ha-Ha" (Nelson from the Simpsons)
You do realise that picture is a joke, right? :D
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 22:48
You do realise that picture is a joke, right? :D

Sin, can you promise if you ever disappear off NS that you'll post an actual picture of your hot injun ass first?
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 22:49
Sin, can you promise if you ever disappear off NS that you'll post an actual picture of you first?
Hmmmm....okay, I can promise that.
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 22:50
Hmmmm....okay, I can promise that.
Dang, I edited too late.
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 22:54
Dang, I edited too late.
Haha! Well, if it's just my injun ass you want to see....but I don't think they'll let me post that.
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 22:55
now there's an untapped market - injun porn
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 22:58
though I am sure that much injun ass has been tapped
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 23:01
now there's an untapped market - injun porn
Not taped perhaps. We do make up a rather disproportionate percentage of prostitutes, however. Kind of sad. Yeah, I know...they aren't the same thing, but still.
Sumamba Buwhan
06-07-2005, 23:05
well that sucks - they will be the ones I seek first to work on my "art films" and hopefully they will be convinced with the lure of royalties
Sinuhue
06-07-2005, 23:07
"art films" hehehe.
Keruvalia
06-07-2005, 23:09
Well I won't bother with my own 1 year thread (I think it was around the 9th), I'll just grab a slice of Sinuhue's cake.
Jocabia
06-07-2005, 23:14
Haha! Well, if it's just my injun ass you want to see....but I don't think they'll let me post that.

You can just send it to me and I'll make sure the appropriate people see it, late at night, when they're lonely.
Vittos Ordination
07-07-2005, 00:58
I am much more in favour of less government control. I still see things from a semi-socialist (the welfare of all is more important than the welfare of the few) viewpoint, but I am much more in favour of self-determination than government intervention. Don't friggin' call me a Libertarian though:) I'm just a lefty, period!

I remember the first time I had a serious conversation with you, you were almost as left as AnarchyeL and I couldn't get anywhere with either of you two. Good to see that you are leaving the dark side.

Anyways, happy first birthday.
Jocabia
07-07-2005, 18:02
Sinuhue ignores her own thread. Sad, really.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 18:03
I remember the first time I had a serious conversation with you, you were almost as left as AnarchyeL and I couldn't get anywhere with either of you two. Good to see that you are leaving the dark side.

Anyways, happy first birthday.
I'm actually FURTHER left that I was before...in many things:) Just not as close to commie.
Carnivorous Lickers
07-07-2005, 21:47
Haha! Well, if it's just my injun ass you want to see....but I don't think they'll let me post that.


Would it fit in one post?
Sdaeriji
07-07-2005, 21:51
Well I won't bother with my own 1 year thread (I think it was around the 9th), I'll just grab a slice of Sinuhue's cake.

Moocher.
Vittos Ordination
07-07-2005, 22:03
I'm actually FURTHER left that I was before...in many things:) Just not as close to commie.

Just as long as you aren;t a big government lefty. They are almost as bad as big government righties.
Potaria
07-07-2005, 22:07
Just as long as you aren;t a big government lefty. They are almost as bad as big government righties.

In your mind, anyway.

Oh yeah... Congrats on the year of NS, Sinuhue. Maybe I'll be able to do the same.
Sdaeriji
07-07-2005, 22:08
Just as long as you aren;t a big government lefty. They are almost as bad as big government righties.

I think the big government righties are worse because they maintain that they're all about smaller government. At least the big government lefties don't lie about their slimyness.
Jocabia
07-07-2005, 22:11
Would it fit in one post?

Hehe

I mean, herher (power)
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:13
Just as long as you aren;t a big government lefty. They are almost as bad as big government righties.
Nope. Anti-government lefty.
Potaria
07-07-2005, 22:15
Nope. Anti-government lefty.

Total anti-government, anti-government envolvement in civil issues, or anti-government envolvement in economic issues?
Fass
07-07-2005, 22:17
The Cat Tribe, Alien Born, Whispering Legs, Jocabia, Dempublicents, Dobbsworld, Drunk Commies, Santa Barbara, Melkor Unchained, Izta... (Christ, can't spell that!), Neo Anarchists, Jordaxia, Sdaeriji, Carnivorous Lickers, Pure Metal, Fass, Occidio Multus, Bitchkitten, Ashmoria, Niccolo Medici (though a fairly recent influence), Canukheaven, Willemena, Swimmingpool, Sumumba Buwhan, Potaria, Zotona, Kat, Intangelon, Syniks, [B0zzy and Cornelieu, you stick out as the two I disagree with the most, but still, stick out in my mind you do]...

:D

I'm honoured, and *wayne's world*not worthy*/wayne's world*.
Vittos Ordination
07-07-2005, 22:20
In your mind, anyway.

I guess she could have been a big government lefty who only listens to punk, that would have been the worst. ;)
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:21
Total anti-government, anti-government envolvement in civil issues, or anti-government envolvement in economic issues?

Don't make me spank you!

Ok. *big breath* I'm anti-big government. I'm for direct democracy. Now, in certain situations, 'big government' is going to be necessary in order to coordinate certain services. I believe in things like anti-discriminatory laws...and the passing (or repealing) of laws in order to allow freedom of choice (in things like gun ownership, abortion, marriage, prostitution etc etc.) I'm anti the idea that government can always do it best...but I'm also anti the idea that business can do it best. I'm a hodgepodge of conflicts, and this is why I can't really label myself anything. It depends on the issue.

To answer you more directly than that...not total-anti government. I don't like representative democracy. I'm anti-government in civil and economic issues for the most part, except for when protections are necessary. Not much of an answer, I know.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:22
Don't make me spank you!

Ok. *big breath* I'm anti-big government. I'm for direct democracy. Now, in certain situations, 'big government' is going to be necessary in order to coordinate certain services. I believe in things like anti-discriminatory laws...and the passing (or repealing) of laws in order to allow freedom of choice (in things like gun ownership, abortion, marriage, prostitution etc etc.) I'm anti the idea that government can always do it best...but I'm also anti the idea that business can do it best. I'm a hodgepodge of conflicts, and this is why I can't really label myself anything. It depends on the issue.

To answer you more directly than that...not total-anti government. I don't like representative democracy. I'm anti-government in civil and economic issues for the most part, except for when protections are necessary. Not much of an answer, I know.

I'll take that spanking...


I nominate Sinner for SCOTUS
Potaria
07-07-2005, 22:23
I guess she could have been a big government lefty who only listens to punk, that would have been the worst. ;)

Yeah, I only listen to Punk Rock :rolleyes:.

Don't make me spank you!

Ok. *big breath* I'm anti-big government. I'm for direct democracy. Now, in certain situations, 'big government' is going to be necessary in order to coordinate certain services. I believe in things like anti-discriminatory laws...and the passing (or repealing) of laws in order to allow freedom of choice (in things like gun ownership, abortion, marriage, prostitution etc etc.) I'm anti the idea that government can always do it best...but I'm also anti the idea that business can do it best. I'm a hodgepodge of conflicts, and this is why I can't really label myself anything. It depends on the issue.

To answer you more directly than that...not total-anti government. I don't like representative democracy. I'm anti-government in civil and economic issues for the most part, except for when protections are necessary. Not much of an answer, I know.

I see. I agree with some parts... Others, not so much :p.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:23
I'll take that spanking...


I nominate Sinner for SCOTUS
I'd prefer the SCOC.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:24
I see. I agree with some parts... Others, not so much :p.
To relly figure me out, you'll have to give me a specific issue and I'll tell ya what I think about it. *waits* :D
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:25
I'd prefer the SCOC.

That doesn't help us here in the US though. Think of the children.. and by children I mean me.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:26
To relly figure me out, you'll have to give me a specific issue and I'll tell ya what I think about it. *waits* :D


What do you think the government should do about trade with other nations?
Potaria
07-07-2005, 22:27
To relly figure me out, you'll have to give me a specific issue and I'll tell ya what I think about it. *waits* :D

Wages! You know what I'm talking about... Out with it!
Vittos Ordination
07-07-2005, 22:28
What do you think the government should do about trade with other nations?

Specifically, NAFTA.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:31
Wages! You know what I'm talking about... Out with it!
I support a minimum wage. I support overtime and double time.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:34
I support a minimum wage. I support overtime and double time.

What about paid pregnancy leave? Why should pregnant women who can no longer come to work even be able to keep their job if they are going to be out for months?
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:36
Specifically, NAFTA.
Trade needs to make sense. Trade should not be trade for the sake of trade (as in, hey, we'll sell you four tonnes of pork and buy back six tonnes of pork from you so that you'll agree to finance my retirement business scheme once I'm out of office). NAFTA pisses me off because it takes away the power of nations (via their lame ass governments who wouldn't raise a finger to stop them anyway, DOWN WITH GOVERMENT!!) to protect their basic interests such as foodstuffs, water, environment, labour, social services etc.

Wait, let me look in my archives and post a huge fricking thing I wrote to defend myself against those who think I'm into 'robbing the rich to feed the poor'.

Like dude, remember Keanu saved us all from the machines...

and I took this:

'The ones who have the most to lose are also the ones who can afford to lose the most...and yet it is they who will bring the complete force of their power to bear in order to stop change from happening; by limiting the majority in favour of concentrating the real power in the hands of the minority.'

to mean that at some point, force was going to be applied, either way. Also, you agreed completely with Masked Cucumbers when he said:

I/ a more strict, and worldwide control of working conditions.

Alright, let me address the comment I made about those who resist change. I was referring to the historical tendency of the wealthy and powerful to actively work against any movement that encourages change. I am referring to labour unions, political activists, journalists, charitable organisations, or ANYTHING at all that disturbs the status quo. Violent steps are taken to maintain that status quo: military coups, paramilitary death squads, censorship, or political tinkering that outlaw certain freedoms in favour of 'security'. What then has happened in many cases, is armed revolution, led usually by educated, middle class men who claim to speak for all the poor and dispossessed. Those in power are removed by force, and then replaced by revolutionaries. Those selfsame revolutionaries become abusive of their power, and just as afraid of change; in essence, becoming what they fought against. I brought this up, because I do NOT support violence, in any form, and I do not support revolution, because it is simply replacing one bad system with another. I believe in movements of various populations, joined together in the basic desire for improvement. That means poverty groups working with women's rights and aboriginal rights groups, working with educators and medical practitioners, and producers and manufacturers and every other sector of society, striving within the bounds of peacefulness to make changes that benefit the widest amount of people.

What I can not support is the steady erosion of freedoms in the name of trade liberalisation. So many people have said, "I don't agree with you, because we shouldn't FORCE people to do what they don't want (re: taxes, which I'll address in a moment)", and yet that is exactly what you are condoning when you support the interests of business over the interest of people. People are being forced to offer their labour for rock bottom prices in the name of liberalisation and 'competition'. People are being forced to work long hours in terrible conditions, not because they WANT to, but because they HAVE to in order to survive. People are forced to silence their protest for fear of retribution, because governments are supporting businesses over the environment and it's own people.

Examples of this? Nigeria, and the Ognoni who opposed Shell's pollution of the land. Eight activists were tried on trumped up charges and hanged.
Trade unionists in Indonesia, Pakistan and Myanmar are routinely 'disappeared' or beaten to 'encourage' them not to complain about working conditions. Governments around the world have lowered their standards, dismantled their laws not to IMPROVE the conditions of their people, but rather to improve conditions for business. What gets lost are individual freedoms, and at a larger level, sovereignty of nations. When a nation can be sued BY A CORPORATION for 'protectionist practices' (such as labour laws, which put an 'unnecessary' burden on business) and WIN, we can not pretend that individual freedoms are being protected over the interests of corporations, which are neither transparent, elected, or accountable to the public.

When I talk about control of working conditions, I mean that working conditions need to be determined by a dialogue between workers, producers and governments...not determined unilaterally by business interests. Labour unions have grown fat and corrupt in the West, as bloated an inefficient as governments, but in the developing world, labour unions are still struggling to exist, and to enact the improvements necessary to provide a living wage and a healthy working environment for people. Do not dismiss their importance, especially in fledgling economies. Denying them the right to exist is a fundamental violation of INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS. That TRADE AGREEMENTS are being written to do just that should shock and worry you. Your government, acting in your stead, can sign binding trade agreements without consultation, that tie you to certain trade conditions for life...doesn't anyone remember the Multilateral Agreement on Trade?

What I think many of you are taking from my statements is that we should round up the rich and force them to give up money. That isn't what I'm talking about. I have no problem with people becoming successful...as long as the conditions through which they attained that success are legal, just, and do not infringe on the individual rights of others. I can not condone wealth gained by forcing other countries to strip away the rights of its people in order to 'open up to business'. If you have gotten rich off of the misery of others, why should you be considered a success instead of a criminal? It is precisely this attitude toward business that I want to change. Businesses and corporations are not faceless, evil entities, working to destroy the earth. They are formed by people, flawed or sublime, good and bad, hard working and lazy. However, the idea that businesses will act in the best interests of everyone, because THAT IS BETTER BUSINESS, has been proven wrong again and again. The most bloodthirsty, cruel and rapacious corporations win. The corporations who can get the most government support, thrive. Why? Because they can. The system is set up to encourage this. We need a balance...the people must have a say in decisions that so drastically affect their lives. Through them, governments must decide on certain minimum standards by which corporations must operate. In the best interests of everyone...individual and corporation alike. As it stands now, the odds are decidedly in favour of business. How is that allowing individual freedom?


II/ Inside each state, a progressive ban of the advantages of having rich parents

Both of those require governmental enforcement beyond that which a regulated market forces would provide, especially number 2.

I know it seems as though I want to completely level the playing field...take away everything and then redistribute it evenly. However, that is not the case. It wouldn't work, and it would cost more to do than would ever be paid back in benefits. When I said that I support this concept, I was thinking in a more abstract sense...of societies as a whole. I do not think that a regulated market would allow people to make the kinds of fortunes that (some) are right now. We would not have billions of dollars of unethical profit.

More to the point, it seems as though you are operating under the assumption that the current economic and environmental climate will remain a constant. It will not. At some point, there is going to be a shift in economies because we are operating under an obviously unsustainable economy based upon an unrenewable resource.
I most certainly AM NOT operating under that assumption. Quite the opposite. Change is inevitable. How that change comes about, however, is my concern. Yes, we are operating at unsustainable levels, and at some point things are going to blow up in our faces. I would prefer we start to prepare NOW, by becoming more sustainable. That includes making sure that business practices are sustainable, NOW, before disaster hits.


'They' won't be able to bring much if the major source of their power and wealth is gone. Key to the global economy as of late has been cheap labor and cheap shipping, and cheap government subsidized fuel. When you take away the cheap fuel, you will very quickly take away the cheap shipping.

'Trade liberalization' is going to be reigned in, but it will be better for all of us if it happens on its own, rather than through government involvement.

How exactly is it going to be reigned in then? By lack of fuel? By environmental disaster? Do you seriously have that much faith that the market forces themselves with reign in the excesses? Or will those companies who are already sitting on alternate technology simply reap the rewards of low competition due to supply factors? What is so wrong about agreements made, not only on unilateral, but multilateral levels, that guarantee protection for individual freedoms and sovereignty? One of the biggest reasons governments are so inefficient and corrupt is because people in democratic nations (dictatorships are different animals all together) don't involve themselves ENOUGH in the processes. We don't DEMAND enough transparency, or accountability. That is not a problem with the institution, it is a problem with the process. We need to strengthen our democracies by becoming more involved...not divesting ourselves of more power. How are individuals to work together to make improvements outside of governments? How are we to work together without regulations governing those relationships? How do we establish a set of rules that ensures one person's individual rights do not infringe upon another's? I am working from the assumption that, while flawed, the systems we have can be changed. Trying to scrap them and start from scratch is what every revolution has tried and failed to do. THAT is why I support governments being involved in the process, because governments are the closest thing to being a tool of the people as is possible with what we have. If you have another method, I am willing to talk about it:)

Does that make things clearer? I am not for stripping freedom away, or forcing people to give away their money...but I also recognise that you have to pay a price for being member of a society...that includes helping to pay for infrastructure, social programs (which includes healthcare and education) and assorted other aspects necessary to keep a country together. I know there are some who do not feel this way, but as of yet, I have not seen any viable options put forth...perhaps a private sector anarchy? I would be interested in hearing opinions on this.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:40
What about paid pregnancy leave? Why should pregnant women who can no longer come to work even be able to keep their job if they are going to be out for months?
Because it's the same as any other sort of leave of absence...medical or otherwise. For example, you have to work as a teacher in a district for 5 yeas in order to take education leave. You get a small stipend and a year to go study something, and your job is there when you come back.

Pregnant women have to work at a place long enough to be eligible for this leave. (just like one must for employment insurance). The employer hires someone on temporary contract to fill her place while she is gone. This allows the woman to have time with her child, and still remain in the workforce. Why SHOULDN'T they get this leave?
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 22:42
Personal Responsibilit...

I'm flattered to have been included in that list. Certainly we disagree often, but I have enjoyed discussing issues with you as well. And, I can identify with many of the ideas you expressed in your opening post. It appear NS has been a valuable place for prompting thought on many issues.

I look forward to further interaction, though I've been very busy at work lately and had my internet time restricted significantly as a result and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:43
I look forward to further interaction, though I've been very busy at work lately and had my internet time restricted significantly as a result and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Yeah, I'd almost forgotten about you until I saw you on today:) It's been a while!
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:45
Because it's the same as any other sort of leave of absence...medical or otherwise. For example, you have to work as a teacher in a district for 5 yeas in order to take education leave. You get a small stipend and a year to go study something, and your job is there when you come back.

Pregnant women have to work at a place long enough to be eligible for this leave. (just like one must for employment insurance). The employer hires someone on temporary contract to fill her place while she is gone. This allows the woman to have time with her child, and still remain in the workforce. Why SHOULDN'T they get this leave?

lol no reason - just askign questions since you gave me the opportunity to ask. And I figured you might have an answer to this since you are a feminazi.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:47
I am working from the assumption that, while flawed, the systems we have can be changed. Trying to scrap them and start from scratch is what every revolution has tried and failed to do. THAT is why I support governments being involved in the process, because governments are the closest thing to being a tool of the people as is possible with what we have. If you have another method, I am willing to talk about it

Oh yeah...and I'm not so sure I agree with myself anymore:). Especially about the not scrapping it and starting over part :D
Jocabia
07-07-2005, 22:48
lol no reason - just askign questions since you gave me the opportunity to ask. And I figured you might have an answer to this since you are a feminazi.

I thought feminazis were a myth? Or is what they believe is a myth? Or is it that men with inadequate boy parts are threatened by feminism so they coined the term?

NOTE: Not talking about SB. Sarcasm, people.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:48
lol no reason - just askign questions since you gave me the opportunity to ask. And I figured you might have an answer to this since you are a feminazi.
If I were I'd say, "MEN SHOULD BE IN THE HOME CARING FOR THE CHILDRYN WHILE THE WOMYN REAP THE FINANCIAL REWARDS OF THE MATRIARCHY!!!!!"
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:50
I thought feminazis were a myth? Or is what they believe is a myth? Or is it that men with inadequate boy parts are threatened by feminism so they coined the term?

NOTE: Not talking about SB. Sarcasm, people.


I actually think its the inadequate boy parts! :D But you can talk about me that way because I'm finally accepting my inadequacies in the lower regions. :p
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:51
If I were I'd say, "MEN SHOULD BE IN THE HOME CARING FOR THE CHILDRYN WHILE THE WOMYN REAP THE FINANCIAL REWARDS OF THE MATRIARCHY!!!!!"

Why should men be in the picture at all? The scummy males should be chained in the basement.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:53
Why should men be in the picture at all? The scummy males should be chained in the basement.
Mmmm....men chained in the basement, with porn on big screens all around them, their hands chained so they can't relieve their passions...
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 22:53
Yeah, I'd almost forgotten about you until I saw you on today:) It's been a while!

I've been missing this place and the intellectual stimulation it provides, but have been too busy to do anything about it lately, so I'm sitting here almost an hour after I should be on my way home...
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 22:54
I've been missing this place and the intellectual stimulation it provides, but have been too busy to do anything about it lately, so I'm sitting here almost an hour after I should be on my way home...
Yeah well...I've been staying a half hour past quitting time...and the fact is, I generally don't even 'start' at work...I just post to NS. YIKES!
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 22:55
Mmmm....men chained in the basement, with porn on big screens all around them, their hands chained so they can't relieve their passions...

yew R eVol!
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 22:56
Oh yeah...and I'm not so sure I agree with myself anymore:). Especially about the not scrapping it and starting over part :D

Sometimes scrapping and starting over is the only thing possible, because the longer a given system is in place the more likely it is that those who desire power will corrupt themselves/their principles to acquire or maintain it, thus degrading any system that might have been otherwise functional.
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 22:58
Why should men be in the picture at all? The scummy males should be chained in the basement.

What about those of us who are clean and relatively civil? :p :confused:
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 23:00
Yeah well...I've been staying a half hour past quitting time...and the fact is, I generally don't even 'start' at work...I just post to NS. YIKES!

It could be a full time job. If only I could get paid for it ;) :D
Jocabia
07-07-2005, 23:02
Mmmm....men chained in the basement, with porn on big screens all around them, their hands chained so they can't relieve their passions...

*Writes this down so he knows how Sinuhue will get him ready when the time comes*

Anybody else notice that the first part of her name is SIN.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 23:02
What about those of us who are clean and relatively civil? :p :confused:


Well we don't count because the rest of the men have ruined it for us.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 23:03
*Writes this down so he knows how Sinuhue will get him ready when the time comes*

Anybody else notice that the first part of her name is SIN.

Of course - that's why I call her "Sinner"
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 23:07
Well we don't count because the rest of the men have ruined it for us.

Probably partially true, but I'll still defend the rights of most any civilized human, male, female or otherwise...
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 23:08
Sometimes scrapping and starting over is the only thing possible, because the longer a given system is in place the more likely it is that those who desire power will corrupt themselves/their principles to acquire or maintain it, thus degrading any system that might have been otherwise functional.
Funny...that's how I came in to NS, then I changed my mind...now I'm back to it, but with more ideas of how that could work:) The more things change the more they stay the same...
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 23:12
Probably partially true, but I'll still defend the rights of most any civilized human, male, female or otherwise...

That could work too :D
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 23:13
, but with more ideas of how that could work:) ...

That is one of the things I have most appreciated about NS. I have gained numerous ideas about better ways to acheive desireable outcomes from a societal perspective...
Jocabia
07-07-2005, 23:14
I miss the good old days when Sin never used to ignore my sexual advances. Now she's a one-year-old and too mature to dignify such things with a response.
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 23:14
That could work too :D

Of course that also means, I'll always be pissing someone off... Oh well... such is life.
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 23:17
I miss the good old days when Sin never used to ignore my sexual advances. Now she's a one-year-old and too mature to dignify such things with a response.
Ha...it's just that time of the month wHere flirting is not my thing :D
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 23:22
Of course that also means, I'll always be pissing someone off... Oh well... such is life.


What's that saying? You cant win for losing. Not even sure what I'm talking about right now.

Well pissing people off can often be a good thing. I think. Still not sure what I'm talking about.
Jocabia
07-07-2005, 23:23
Ha...it's just that time of the month were flirting is not my thing :D

Or spelling. pssst.... whore
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 23:27
Or spelling. pssst.... whore
R EWE SAYYING EYE **** SPELL?????
Sinuhue
07-07-2005, 23:29
W00T! Getting close to my 8000th post!

Well, I'll see you ravishing men tomorrow! (no really...where are all the chicks at?)
Sdaeriji
07-07-2005, 23:30
W00T! Getting close to my 8000th post!

Well, I'll see you ravishing men tomorrow! (no really...where are all the chicks at?)

*licks Sinuhue*

Bye bye.
Sumamba Buwhan
07-07-2005, 23:31
Chicks dont like other chicks. Have a good night!

I wish I could up my count and stop being a spamqueen
Personal responsibilit
07-07-2005, 23:35
Chicks dont like other chicks. Have a good night!

I wish I could up my count and stop being a spamqueen

Don't feel too bad... I'm just a lowly... :confused: what am I again?