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London wins Olympic bid, Congrats.

Marrakech II
06-07-2005, 12:59
Congrats to London.

http://www.cnn.com/
Dontgonearthere
06-07-2005, 13:00
That was quick :)
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 13:01
Congratulations LONDON!!! Good job on beating out Front-runner Paris. You did it again.

*breaks into a rendition of God Save the Queen*
Ariddia
06-07-2005, 13:02
Félicitations, Londres. J'espère que les Jeux londoniens en 2012 seront un énorme succès.
KEYRANAWAY
06-07-2005, 13:04
Well done London, nice one.
Salatoria
06-07-2005, 13:05
OMG, we did it!

*places hand over heart*
*sings national anthem*
*wipes imaginary tear from eye*
Call to power
06-07-2005, 13:05
we get one over France again
I V Stalin
06-07-2005, 13:05
Félicitations, Londres. J'espère que les Jeux londoniens en 2012 seront un énorme succès.
You've got to be kidding, it's going to be a shambles. And I'll piss myself. Laughing, I mean...
Moleland
06-07-2005, 13:07
W00t! Go London!
Helioterra
06-07-2005, 13:08
And then a depressing article by Time

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901050704-1077239,00.html

Like a newly engaged bride and groom, though, whichever city the i.o.c.chooses to host the 2012 Summer Games is bound to get all excited about the far-off Big Day. And like the couple contemplating marriage, it could also find itself facing responsibilities it never imagined and making a stream of compromises despite careful planning. Worse, when the party is all over, it could be landed with a mountain of debt — not to mention the Olympic equivalent of a bunch of extra toasters.
imported_Wilf
06-07-2005, 13:10
You've got to be kidding, it's going to be a shambles. And I'll piss myself. Laughing, I mean...


well I have printed this off, we will see in 7 years who's laughing, monkey boy
Aust
06-07-2005, 13:14
well I have printed this off, we will see in 7 years who's laughing, monkey boy
:D
Verghastinsel
06-07-2005, 13:15
HAH! In Paris, the crowd booed the screens! Now that's worth more than winning itself.
Kellarly
06-07-2005, 13:16
well I have printed this off, we will see in 7 years who's laughing, monkey boy

I know that was mildly insulting, but still made me laugh... :D
Leg-ends
06-07-2005, 13:17
Yay, we beat the french again - funny how that seems to happen, you'd of thought the French would of realised that by now and got the surrender in early this time.
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 13:18
HAH! In Paris, the crowd booed the screens! Now that's worth more than winning itself.

HAHA!! That is worth it in and of itself :D

France are sore losers
Zouloukistan
06-07-2005, 13:19
Will there be any competitions in Liverpool, the Beatles' home city?

Ha! Boum dans les dents de la France... même si elle en a pas...
"Cassé!!", comme qu'y disent en France!
Aust
06-07-2005, 13:22
I don't think.
Carisbrooke
06-07-2005, 13:22
Way to go London! now lets do a good job and not scrimp and whine and make ourselves a laughing stock.....and maybe the Trafalgar 200 celebrations were actually just a reminder to the French......England expects every man to do his duty after all
Leg-ends
06-07-2005, 13:23
Will there be any competitions in Liverpool, the Beatles' home city?

The early stages of the soccer tournament is being held outside of London, but only Manchester and Birmingham I think. The final for that is in London though
I V Stalin
06-07-2005, 13:25
well I have printed this off, we will see in 7 years who's laughing, monkey boy
And we'll see who still cares as well, won't we. Seriously, when was the last time any major event organised in England went well? Don't mention Live 8, it didn't go to plan - it went way over schedule and left 20,000 people (10% of the crowd) unable to get home.
Also - all the building work required to be ready for the Games. Let's see, the Millennium Dome. Way over budget, and not actually complete for the Millennium. The new Wembley Stadium - 100% over budget. The Commonwealth Games, was meant to give a massive economic boost to Manchester. Erm...yes. Euro '96. Now that went well. Mainly because there didn't really have to be much organisation...no new stadia built, it was across the whole country so transport wasn't a problem. So I'm not exactly hopeful that the Olympics will be a success. I'll still go see some of it though.
Zouloukistan
06-07-2005, 13:25
The early stages of the soccer tournament is being held outside of London, but only Manchester and Birmingham I think. The final for that is in London though
:( Well, it's not so bad because Liverpool is not a so big city... I think... :confused: ...
Ecopoeia
06-07-2005, 13:27
Wonderful. As a privileged Londoner, I can now expect council tax hikes, building works running over budget and out of time, an even more chaotic transport network, smug back-slapping politicians and God knows what other joys.

I've heard some people argue that they wouldn't mind the tax rises if they were guaranteed tickets to events. Bugger that. I'd rather stab myself in the eye than watch Olympic events.

The Olympics is a crashing bore.

Buggeration in extremis. And bah humbug, to boot.
Ariddia
06-07-2005, 13:28
Given that I, as a Frenchman (born in Paris, at that), have congratulated London on winning, I think the reactions of many of you demonstrate a sore lack of fair play, sportsmanship and grace in winning. We appear to be much better losers than you are winners. Had Paris won, I would have been extremely pleased, but I would not have stooped to insulting England.

My congratulations to London still stand, and I am glad for all English supporters who do have a sense of fair play and sportsmanship. Qualities which were once held as typically English. I hope they haven't been lost completely.

Félicitations, Londres. J'espère que les Jeux londoniens en 2012 seront un énorme succès.
Somewhere
06-07-2005, 13:29
After Chirac's pathetic jibes, it's good to get one over on the arsehole. Glad we beat the French!
Aust
06-07-2005, 13:29
And we'll see who still cares as well, won't we. Seriously, when was the last time any major event organised in England went well? Don't mention Live 8, it didn't go to plan - it went way over schedule and left 20,000 people (10% of the crowd) unable to get home.
Also - all the building work required to be ready for the Games. Let's see, the Millennium Dome. Way over budget, and not actually complete for the Millennium. The new Wembley Stadium - 100% over budget. The Commonwealth Games, was meant to give a massive economic boost to Manchester. Erm...yes. Euro '96. Now that went well. Mainly because there didn't really have to be much organisation...no new stadia built, it was across the whole country so transport wasn't a problem. So I'm not exactly hopeful that the Olympics will be a success. I'll still go see some of it though.
Come on cheer up!
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 13:30
Given that I, as a Frenchman (born in Paris, at that), have congratulated London on winning, I think the reactions of many of you demonstrate a sore lack of fair play, sportsmanship and grace in winning. We appear to be much better losers than you are winners. Had Paris won, I would have been extremely pleased, but I would not have stooped to insulting England.

And yet you booed the screen? Sorry but it was to tempting to drag out the French jokes since you lost to the UK again. Don't take it personally :)
Zouloukistan
06-07-2005, 13:31
Given that I, as a Frenchman (born in Paris, at that)
A FRENCH WHO SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!
*faints*
Marrakech II
06-07-2005, 13:32
Yay, we beat the french again - funny how that seems to happen, you'd of thought the French would of realised that by now and got the surrender in early this time.

They only surrender at the sound of gunfire. Maybe some warning shots next time might do the trick.
Gaspodania
06-07-2005, 13:33
After Chirac's pathetic jibes, it's good to get one over on the arsehole. Glad we beat the French!

yes, me too, but how'dya fancy Tony's chances now of beating any concessions out of Chirac this afternoon? ;)
New Twuntland
06-07-2005, 13:33
Hooray for London!

And thank you for the words of support from the French chap earlier in the thread.

Let's hope the value of my flat in Chadwell Heath (a mere 15mins by train from Stratford) absolutely bloody sky-rockets over the next 7 years!!!
Leg-ends
06-07-2005, 13:34
And we'll see who still cares as well, won't we. Seriously, when was the last time any major event organised in England went well? Don't mention Live 8, it didn't go to plan - it went way over schedule and left 20,000 people (10% of the crowd) unable to get home.
Also - all the building work required to be ready for the Games. Let's see, the Millennium Dome. Way over budget, and not actually complete for the Millennium. The new Wembley Stadium - 100% over budget. The Commonwealth Games, was meant to give a massive economic boost to Manchester. Erm...yes. Euro '96. Now that went well. Mainly because there didn't really have to be much organisation...no new stadia built, it was across the whole country so transport wasn't a problem. So I'm not exactly hopeful that the Olympics will be a success. I'll still go see some of it though.

Live 8 was organised by a bunch of rockstars who had the brilliant idea of getting an armada of boats to sail the channel to pick up protestors - I think there are actually some proffessionals in charge of running the Olympics.

The Commonwealth Games was a huge success: it was on time, pretty much on budget and Manchester has received a substantial boost in tourism and has a whole set of excellent sporting facilities.

/Then again I would say that as Man City got a nice shiny new stadium for next to nothing :)
Psychopathic Warmonger
06-07-2005, 13:35
After Chirac's pathetic jibes, it's good to get one over on the arsehole. Glad we beat the French!

Ah Chirac, the Original Crazy Frog!
Kellarly
06-07-2005, 13:36
The Commonwealth Games, was meant to give a massive economic boost to Manchester. Erm...yes.

Actually I think Manchester did pretty well with the Commonwealth games. Its definitely spurred a bit of redevelopment in the centre which it really really needed.
Aust
06-07-2005, 13:38
Yes, Manchester has done well out of the CW games, it's got imporved infastruture and has great sports facilitys.
Ariddia
06-07-2005, 13:39
And yet you booed the screen? Sorry but it was to tempting to drag out the French jokes since you lost to the UK again. Don't take it personally :)

I did not boo the screen, actually. But never mind...


And thank you for the words of support from the French chap earlier in the thread.


You're welcome. :)
Psychopathic Warmonger
06-07-2005, 13:39
Yes, Manchester has done well out of the CW games, it's got imporved infastruture and has great sports facilitys.

Pity about the local football teams though! :D
But back to the thread, I'm glad about London winning the bid because a bit more local support may encourage our athletes to do even better than Athens. (or Beijing . . . . .)
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 13:40
I did not boo the screen, actually. But never mind...

Wasn't stating you personally! You = French in this case.
Aust
06-07-2005, 13:42
Pity about the local football teams though! :D
But back to the thread, I'm glad about London winning the bid because a bit more local support may encourage our athletes to do even better than Athens. (or Beijing . . . . .)
:) Your talking to a NFFC supporter...
Psychopathic Warmonger
06-07-2005, 13:44
:) Your talking to a NFFC supporter...

NFFC?
Arvor
06-07-2005, 13:44
I still can't believe we won. It was pretty close though - something like 54 votes to 50. Which, of course, makes it even worse for those supporting Paris. I do actually feel quite sorry for them, considering they bid for it the last 2 times as well. Do you think they'll bid for the 2016 games? I can't see that happening really, maybe they should go for 2020.
Well, I'm still really happy for London. We've cracked open a bottle of Champagne!!!!!! What a year for Britain eh? What a year!
NianNorth
06-07-2005, 13:51
Well done London. Let's just hope the rest of the country don't end up paying for it!
Kellarly
06-07-2005, 13:52
:) Your talking to a NFFC supporter...

*Points and laughs* :p :D
Aust
06-07-2005, 13:58
NFFC?
Nottingham Forest.

UP THE REDS.

*Points and LAughs at Kellarly* "TWO EUROPIAN CUPS!!!
Great Denizistan
06-07-2005, 14:00
Ah Chirac, the Original Crazy Frog!

Yeah, but British cuisine does suck, it's worse than anything!!!!
FUck Britain
Carisbrooke
06-07-2005, 14:02
Great Denizistan...Ummmm...Thank you, is that all of us or one at a time?
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 14:02
Yeah, but British cuisine does suck, it's worse than anything!!!!
FUck Britain

Awww

Someone needs to be cheered up.

Have a :fluffle: :D
Aust
06-07-2005, 14:03
Awww

Someone needs to be cheered up.

Have a :fluffle: :D
:fluffle:
Lankuria
06-07-2005, 14:04
wow Great Denizistan, what an intelligent and tolerant post. You clearly have a great career as french foriegn minister ahead of you.
imported_Wilf
06-07-2005, 14:05
when was the last time any major event organised in England went well?

Live8
Live aid
Euro Womens champs 2005
Commonwealth Games
Euro 96
Sheffield World Student games
Cricket world cup 2000-ish

NEED I GO ON ?

we can and will be able to organise a decent games...better than Athens, and to rival Sydney

HAH !!
imported_Wilf
06-07-2005, 14:06
Yeah, but British cuisine does suck, it's worse than anything!!!!
FUck Britain


THATS COS THERE ARE SO MANY FRENCH CHEFS OVER HERE...

name one dish thats sucks, go on...



waiting
Eudelphia
06-07-2005, 14:06
Good for you, Brits! (The gracious winners, anyway.) I am saving my pennies to be there for sure.

Paris would have been a lovely venue, too. Maybe 2016?

I love America, but thank heaven it's not NYC. Couldn't see that at all.
imported_Wilf
06-07-2005, 14:07
Nottingham Forest.

UP THE REDS.

*Points and LAughs at Kellarly* "TWO EUROPIAN CUPS!!!


division 1 ?

Brentford gonna beat ya !!!
Kellarly
06-07-2005, 14:08
Nottingham Forest.

UP THE REDS.

*Points and LAughs at Kellarly* "TWO EUROPIAN CUPS!!!

20 years ago and now your the first team to drop to 3rd tier football who has won one...nice work :p
Aust
06-07-2005, 14:10
division 1 ?

Brentford gonna beat ya !!!
Doubt it.

And yes we've dropped that far, it's called David Platt Sydrome, follwed by joe kenner syndrome.
Carops
06-07-2005, 14:11
Yeah, but British cuisine does suck, it's worse than anything!!!!
FUck Britain
Oh go and jump.
Bezaland
06-07-2005, 14:17
Once again the Frogs lose to the Roast Beefs. Take that Chirac.
New Burmesia
06-07-2005, 14:18
Yeah, but British cuisine does suck, it's worse than anything!!!!
FUck Britain

Crawl back into your cave. British food is so yesterday's joke...
Aust
06-07-2005, 14:18
Once again the Frogs lose to the Roast Beefs. Take that Chirac.
:D
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 14:19
Once again the Frogs lose to the Roast Beefs. Take that Chirac.

If the French Delegation have spoken English and not French..... Way to go France! It was yours to lose and you lost it.

As usual
Spiel Mit Mir
06-07-2005, 14:22
The best Olympics ever were the Sydney 2000.

They were awesome and beat the Athens 2004 Olympics by far!
Krytenia
06-07-2005, 14:23
The early stages of the soccer tournament is being held outside of London, but only Manchester and Birmingham I think. The final for that is in London though

Villa Park (Birmingham), Old Trafford (Manchester), St James' Park (Newcastle) and Hampden Park (Glasgow) are definitely holding football preliminaries. I can't check on Anfield right now because london2012.com is down.

Ironic really, considering London is possibly the only city in the world that has enough existing venues to host the football in a single city.
Carops
06-07-2005, 14:24
It's just so refreshing (expected) to see how lvery unsporting the French have been since losing. The moral of the story is as follows, the obnoxious, smug nation which pokes fun at its neighbours cuisine is ultimately the biggest loser.
NianNorth
06-07-2005, 14:24
Yeah, but British cuisine does suck, it's worse than anything!!!!
FUck Britain
Which is why there are more m stared British chefs and why Britian has three of the top restraunts in the world compared to France's one.
Carisbrooke
06-07-2005, 14:28
OK lets ask all non English and French, just to be fair....

Beef or Frog?

Cod or Snail?

Custard or Horse?
Helioterra
06-07-2005, 14:30
ok!
Beef
Snail
Horse
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 14:30
Problem with London is that most of people are against the Olympics there while in Paris and New York a majority was possitive. Also what should people think of a country organising the games, having less medals then a small European country like Portugal or Greece, not even to speak of France. London also lacks the spirit of sport, like the Place de la République and the Champs Ellysées are regularly the dominion of sports, no Londonian will give up his Trafalgar square or a sportmanifestation.

While Russia, China and other, decent non EU countries voted Paris, Blair succeed to have the corrupt and maffia IOC members of countries like Kyrgizistan and the other -stans at his side in the Anglo Saxon tradition of corruption a la Salt Lake City.
New Burmesia
06-07-2005, 14:33
Problem with London is that most of people are against the Olympics there while in Paris and New York a majority was possitive. Also what should people think of a country organising the games, having less medals then a small European country like Portugal or Greece, not even to speak of France. London also lacks the spirit of sport, like the Place de la République and the Champs Ellysées are regularly the dominion of sports, no Londonian will give up his Trafalgar square or a sportmanifestation.

While Russia, China and other, decent non EU countries voted Paris, Blair succeed to have the corrupt and maffia IOC members of countries like Kyrgizistan and the other -stans at his side in the Anglo Saxon tradition of corruption a la Salt Lake City.

Which planet do you live on?
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 14:36
Problem with London is that most of people are against the Olympics there while in Paris and New York a majority was possitive. Also what should people think of a country organising the games, having less medals then a small European country like Portugal or Greece, not even to speak of France. London also lacks the spirit of sport, like the Place de la République and the Champs Ellysées are regularly the dominion of sports, no Londonian will give up his Trafalgar square or a sportmanifestation.

While Russia, China and other, decent non EU countries voted Paris, Blair succeed to have the corrupt and maffia IOC members of countries like Kyrgizistan and the other -stans at his side in the Anglo Saxon tradition of corruption a la Salt Lake City.

Someone else that needs a :fluffle:

No hard feelings. London is a much better place. Here have another :fluffle: for your pain.
Scotsnations
06-07-2005, 14:38
Aye an there was nothin else oan the tv. All stations, crammed wi' it.
There's other things happenin in the country ye know. Can we huv some real news?
Perneus
06-07-2005, 14:39
London was a pretty good choice, a lot better than Paris, but I was hoping for Madrid myself. I'm a Spain fan, but hey, London will work. Good for them. I hope the mayor of New York is embarassed, they didn't stand a chance.:headbang:
Carops
06-07-2005, 14:40
Problem with London is that most of people are against the Olympics there while in Paris and New York a majority was possitive. Also what should people think of a country organising the games, having less medals then a small European country like Portugal or Greece, not even to speak of France. London also lacks the spirit of sport, like the Place de la République and the Champs Ellysées are regularly the dominion of sports, no Londonian will give up his Trafalgar square or a sportmanifestation.

While Russia, China and other, decent non EU countries voted Paris, Blair succeed to have the corrupt and maffia IOC members of countries like Kyrgizistan and the other -stans at his side in the Anglo Saxon tradition of corruption a la Salt Lake City.

Why dont you actually learn something about us before you slag us off? WEe won fair and square. If you don't like it then pretned it isn't happening. We enjoy sport as much as any nation! Why do yo uthink we have one of the greatest fottball leagues in the world? Why do you think London holds one of the world's most successful marathons? As well as the fact that we invented many of today's major sports. China and Russia? DECENT? One is a communist dictatorship, the other a mafia-choked sore. Dont even try to tell me that. And that "anglo-saxon" comment is really very sad. If I had a rock, sir, I would throw it at you. Why do you think you can criticise?
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 14:40
London was a pretty good choice, a lot better than Paris, but I was hoping for Madrid myself. I'm a Spain fan, but hey, London will work. Good for them. I hope the mayor of New York is embarassed, they didn't stand a chance.:headbang:

Why should he be embarrassed? They gave it their best. Not his fault that the State Assembly in Albany voted down the stadium funding. *shrugs*
Ariddia
06-07-2005, 14:41
It's just so refreshing (expected) to see how lvery unsporting the French have been since losing. The moral of the story is as follows, the obnoxious, smug nation which pokes fun at its neighbours cuisine is ultimately the biggest loser.

Read my posts in this thread. I'm French.

Now compare them to what some of the Brits have been saying.

Your generalisation is absurd, and you're conveniently refusing to see what unsporting winners so many Brits here seem to be (not all, fortunately). I rest my case, and I'm proud to uphold a sense of decency and good sportsmanship for my country in the face of some who, on the other side, and unable to even come close.

Again, I re-iterate and uphold my congratulations to London and to all Brits who have still got a sense of fair play and good sportsmanship, and who can rejoice in this event without feeling the need to insult those who came second - the ultimate act of despicable behaviour in any competition.

Je suis fier d'être Parisien, fier de ceux de mes compatriotes qui félicitent chaleureusement les Londoniens comme je le fais, et content pour tous les Anglais qui, en souhaitant la victoire de Londres, ne se sont pas abaissés à attaquer leurs rivaux.
Crapfully Crap E-Mails
06-07-2005, 14:41
Actually, NY had one of the worst public support numbers. And just because a bike race ends on the Champs doesn't make it a great sporting venue. Most racers hate it because of the cobbles. If you want to talk about great venues, you need to bring up the wonderful Olympic Stadium that they already had built. NYC couldn't even agree on where/how to build a stadium.
NianNorth
06-07-2005, 14:41
Aye an there was nothin else oan the tv. All stations, crammed wi' it.
There's other things happenin in the country ye know. Can we huv some real news?
Being From Newcastle (area) would have been better for us if Scotland had got it rather than London. We'll see very little benefit up here other than a lighter pay packet.
Scotsnations
06-07-2005, 14:43
Being From Newcastle (area) would have been better for us if Scotland had got it rather than London. We'll see very little benefit up here other than a lighter pay packet.
Aye guid point.
You an me will end up payin furrit nae doubt.
Engineering chaos
06-07-2005, 14:45
And this time London actually wanted the olympics the last two times it has been at short notice. That not withstanding London has been proud to host the Olympics before and as a British citizen I am sure I speak for the rest of Britain when I say Britian is proud to again be the host.

I just hope tony can keep a straight face in the G8 meeting today :D
NianNorth
06-07-2005, 14:45
Aye guid point.
You an me will end up payin furrit nae doubt.
Yes and try getting a ticket to any of the events, not only will the train cost you a fortune but you will have to pay through the nose to stay in some sh#t hole of a hotel.
Like the dome, I'll pay for it but give it a miss.
Scotsnations
06-07-2005, 14:48
Hee hee, the dome, I had forgotten about that..
Wonder if they'll make use of it or just leave it off the map altogether, "here be dragons"
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 14:49
Someone else that needs a :fluffle:

No hard feelings. London is a much better place. Here have another :fluffle: for your pain.

Wich pain, my country is never was candidate, alltough we organised the 1920 :eek: games in the middle ages.
Krytenia
06-07-2005, 14:50
Problem with London is that most of people are against the Olympics there while in Paris and New York a majority was possitive.
There was actually a majority of people FOR the Games in that survey (61%). It was just a smaller majority than Paris/NYC/Madrid.

Also what should people think of a country organising the games, having less medals then a small European country like Portugal or Greece, not even to speak of France.
A) Barcelona hosted a massively succesful Games in 1992. Gold medals 1896-1988: four.
B) GB have won more golds, and medals, than Portugal and Greece combined. In fact, overall they are behind only USA, Russia, China, Japan, and Germany (yes they are ahead of Australia).
C) Since when has this had any bearing on a hosting bid?

London also lacks the spirit of sport, like the Place de la République and the Champs Ellysées are regularly the dominion of sports, no Londonian will give up his Trafalgar square or a sportmanifestation.
That sentence made no sense.

While Russia, China and other, decent non EU countries voted Paris, Blair succeed to have the corrupt and maffia IOC members of countries like Kyrgizistan and the other -stans at his side in the Anglo Saxon tradition of corruption a la Salt Lake City.
It's a secret ballot. You have no proof of this. Unless, of course, you happen to be one of the IOC delegates, in which case I apologise profusely.
Carops
06-07-2005, 14:51
Wich pain, my country is never was candidate, alltough we organised the 1920 :eek: games in the middle ages.

are you belgian then?
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 14:52
I love America, but thank heaven it's not NYC. Couldn't see that at all.

Why not? If Paris and London can organise (with a lot o work for London regarding the hopeless situation of sportinfrastructure compared with the decades more modern French infrastructure) it why would not "the City"?
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 14:53
are you belgian then?

10.000 points! Yep, Antwerp 1920! Go Flanders!
But working in France in the Alps since years.
Engineering chaos
06-07-2005, 14:57
Why not? If Paris and London can organise (with a lot o work for London regarding the hopeless situation of sportinfrastructure compared with the decades more modern French infrastructure) it why would not "the City"?


Oi! Britain is going through a period of infrastructer rebuilding. Please remember that Britain was nearly bankrupt in the 70s. We will put on a good games with new sports complexes that will, for the most part, have been built whether we won or not.

edit - and if the situation was "hopeless" it would not have been given to London
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:00
. We will put on a good games with new sports complexes that will, for the most part, have been built whether we won or not.

I don't don't doubt that, it will be great organised by the Brits, but I think you need the money more for more important thin,gs then sport. In Paris, accomodation was furthest developed and it would cost less. But I know that my economic argument also goes for France, ow they can use their money for other things to.
Krytenia
06-07-2005, 15:00
Hee hee, the dome, I had forgotten about that..
Wonder if they'll make use of it or just leave it off the map altogether, "here be dragons"

Basketball/Gymnastics at the Big Round White Elephant, methinks.

Hope they cleare the manure off Horseguards Parade before the beach volleyball.
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:01
I don't don't doubt that, it will be great organised by the Brits, but I think you need the money more for more important thin,gs then sport. In Paris, accomodation was furthest developed and it would cost less. But I know that my economic argument also goes for France, ow they can use their money for other things to.

However, the French Economy is in the crapper whereas Britain's isn't! Go figure.
Robot ninja pirates
06-07-2005, 15:04
I would have liked to see them in New York, but nobody actually expected it to happen (except a few politicians) and I don't think it would have worked well. There's not enough room. With Paris or London you can build around the outskirts and expand the city, but most of New York is on an island. You'd be building out in Westchester, and the traffic would be terrible.

So congratulations to London, I for one think think they'll put on a good games (but the constant berating of Paris is uncalled for).
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:05
Read my posts in this thread. I'm French.

Now compare them to what some of the Brits have been saying.

.

That is a problem on NS, French bashing is toleratet and constant, a French critical opinion is seen as arrogant by the arrogant. The bad luck you have on a site with a neocon majority won't change, but you're right, it is a fact.

A non French and a non English (but I speak both languages and love you both Brits and French).
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 15:05
I would have preferred to see them in Paris, if only for the athletes and the food they'll have to endure. Sorry, but while Chirac was impolitic and rude (and, well, fucking French), his point was accurate.

Still, though, congratulations to London and all of the UK. Now get yourself some athletes. Quick.
Carops
06-07-2005, 15:07
10.000 points! Yep, Antwerp 1920! Go Flanders!
But working in France in the Alps since years.

Yes, quite impressive for a stupid englishman like me with my horrid capital city and foul cuisine. I imaginged from your generally unpleasant tone that you were a french-speaker.
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:07
That is a problem on NS, French bashing is toleratet and constant, a French critical opinion is seen as arrogant by the arrogant. The bad luck you have on a site with a neocon majority won't change, but you're right, it is a fact.

I thought this board was dominated by the liberals? Oh wait it is. :rolleyes: The conservatives are in the minority.
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 15:08
That is a problem on NS, French bashing is toleratet and constant, a French critical opinion is seen as arrogant by the arrogant. The bad luck you have on a site with a neocon majority won't change, but you're right, it is a fact.
--snip--


Sorry, but I'll be able to post something more coherent when I stop gut-laughing... :D
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:08
However, the French Economy is in the crapper whereas Britain's isn't! Go figure.

Thank's to French, German, Dutch, Belgian aso. money that is paying their cut on the EU budget...
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:09
Sorry, but I'll be able to post something more coherent when I stop gut-laughing... :D

Hmm you'r American aren't ya :D
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:10
Thank's to French, German, Dutch, Belgian aso. money that is paying their cut on the EU budget...

Even with the rebate that Britain was getting, Britain was paying more than anyother EU nation. Now that the Rebate is gone, they'll be paying even more.
Jeruselem
06-07-2005, 15:11
The voting ...

First round

London 22
Paris 21
Madrid 20
New York 19
Moscow 15 (eliminated)

Second round

Madrid 32
London 27
Paris 25
New York 16 (eliminated)

Third round

London 39
Paris 33
Madrid 31 (eliminated)

Fourth round

London 54
Paris 50 (eliminated)
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:11
Yes, quite impressive for a stupid englishman like me with my horrid capital city and foul cuisine. I imaginged from your generally unpleasant tone that you were a french-speaker.

Hold your horse, since when do I dislike my English buddies? My tone is not unpleasant, it is critical (and for the French to when I feel the need).

"Stupid Englismen" said by who?

Way to much assumptions kid :)
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:12
The voting ...

First round

London 22
Paris 21
Madrid 20
New York 19
Moscow 15 (eliminated)

Second round

Madrid 32
London 27
Paris 25
New York 16 (eliminated)

Third round

London 39
Paris 33
Madrid 31 (eliminated)

Fourth round

London 54
Paris 50 (eliminated)

Not doubting but is there a link to the voting?
Krytenia
06-07-2005, 15:12
So congratulations to London, I for one think think they'll put on a good games (but the constant berating of Paris is uncalled for).

I agree. Unfortunately, I can't see Paris getting 2016 either if they bid, due to its proximity to London. Hovever, bonne chance pour 2020, Paris!
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 15:13
Hmm you'r American aren't ya :D

What's that got to do with anything? I'm laughing at your notion that NS is majority neoconservative. It's ludicrous.

By the way, genius, one look at the "location" on my post would have given you...duh....my location.
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:13
Even with the rebate that Britain was getting, Britain was paying more than anyother EU nation. Now that the Rebate is gone, they'll be paying even more.
Best joke and lie of the day :p Congrets :D I won't open that debate again because anyone knows that we in Belgium and Holland are the biggest payers pro capita in the whole union, together with Luxemburg, England is the least payer of the 3 big, so including france and Germany.
Via Ferrata
06-07-2005, 15:14
By the way, genius, one look at the "location" on my post would have given you...duh....my location.

Wow, you're inteligent, you noticed that yourself? :D
Jeruselem
06-07-2005, 15:16
Not doubting but is there a link to the voting?

The BBC of course! :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/4656529.stm
Yorksire
06-07-2005, 15:17
im not suprised that we won to be honest i mean did you hear what jack shirac said hes the president of one of the biggest countries in the world all he could think of to insult the us is that they have better food than us. :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :mad:
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:19
Best joke and lie of the day :p Congrets :D I won't open that debate again because anyone knows that we in Belgium and Holland are the biggest payers pro capita in the whole union, together with Luxemburg, England is the least payer of the 3 big, so including france and Germany.

http://www.eursoc.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/561

If they lose their rebate, they'll be the biggest contributor.
Christian Rome
06-07-2005, 15:21
Well, I am new here, but even I can tell this site does not have a conservative majority...

I am very glad that London got the Games and Paris did not. It has nothing to do with anything against the French people per se...it is Parisians that tend to be stuck-up snobs!

Public support in New York wasn't very high, and I am sure the IOC took that into account.

For the record, I think Paris is probably the leading contender for 2016.
I V Stalin
06-07-2005, 15:21
The Commonwealth Games was a huge success: it was on time, pretty much on budget and Manchester has received a substantial boost in tourism and has a whole set of excellent sporting facilities.
Actually I think Manchester did pretty well with the Commonwealth games. Its definitely spurred a bit of redevelopment in the centre which it really really needed.
Yes, Manchester has done well out of the CW games, it's got imporved infastruture and has great sports facilitys.
Yes, Manchester got sporting facilities and the city centre got some redevelopment. On the other hand, the Commonwealth Games didn't exactly regenerate some of the more deprived areas of Manchester, unlike the plans for Stratford (one of the most deprived areas of the UK, apparently. And I can believe that, as I go through it on the way into London).
Frangland
06-07-2005, 15:24
congrats, London!

I bet the fact that France recently had the winter olympics had something to do with them not getting this Summer 'pics.
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 15:24
im not suprised that we won to be honest i mean did you hear what jack shirac said hes the president of one of the biggest countries in the world all he could think of to insult the us is that they have better food than us. :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :mad:

It's not an insult -- it's the truth.
Frangland
06-07-2005, 15:25
Yes, Manchester got sporting facilities and the city centre got some redevelopment. On the other hand, the Commonwealth Games didn't exactly regenerate some of the more deprived areas of Manchester, unlike the plans for Stratford (one of the most deprived areas of the UK, apparently. And I can believe that, as I go through it on the way into London).

are they going to add a 400-meter track to Old Trafford? hehe
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 15:26
Wow, you're inteligent, you noticed that yourself? :D

Okay, I'll bite one more time.

*adopts tone of patient kindergarten teacher*

No, Via, I was pointing out that you hadn't figured that out and had to ask if I was American.

Clear enough, Skeezix?
Jeruselem
06-07-2005, 15:27
Well, I am new here, but even I can tell this site does not have a conservative majority...

I am very glad that London got the Games and Paris did not. It has nothing to do with anything against the French people per se...it is Parisians that tend to be stuck-up snobs!

Public support in New York wasn't very high, and I am sure the IOC took that into account.

For the record, I think Paris is probably the leading contender for 2016.

New York didn't have much chance as America isn't everyone's favourite nation at the moment. Madrid did quite well actually.
Engineering chaos
06-07-2005, 15:37
It's not an insult -- it's the truth.

Could you back that up with some evidence please, I am slightly offended by that. I work in a Pub with a nice little restaurent attached
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:38
New York didn't have much chance as America isn't everyone's favourite nation at the moment. Madrid did quite well actually.

True and the fact is that Paris won't be a leading contender. Not with London getting the 2012 games.
Corneliu
06-07-2005, 15:39
Could you back that up with some evidence please, I am slightly offended by that. I work in a Pub with a nice little restaurent attached

I kina like British Food :) Fish and chips anyone? :D
Velo
06-07-2005, 15:39
Okay, I'll bite one more time.

*adopts tone of patient kindergarten teacher*

No, Via, I was pointing out that you hadn't figured that out and had to ask if I was American.

Clear enough, Skeezix?

As a yank, you aren't able to see the irony of his post, to subtile for you I guess (he tackled you with the same tactick you tried but did not succeed because of his reply)By your reaction, you just made yourself even more ridiculous then in your previous posts (your attack on Via).

You lost, a good advise, think twice and try to read between the lines...

Hat of to you Via! Very subtile :p :D
Sarkasis
06-07-2005, 15:41
Yayyyyy!! That's cool.

So they'll finally manage to reuse all these big Millenium thingies?
Velo
06-07-2005, 15:45
Yayyyyy!! That's cool.

So they'll finally manage to reuse all these big Millenium thingies?

They still have them? Great, put niples on them!
SEO Kingdom
06-07-2005, 15:49
OMG, we did it!

*places hand over heart*
*sings national anthem*
*wipes imaginary tear from eye*

Basically

And as the crowds in Trafalgar Square were saying "Are you Watching Jacques Chiraq


yay my hometowns being used as a training camp (Newport S, Wales) the new Velodrome
The Mindset
06-07-2005, 16:04
Pfft, have you ever been to London during rush hour? There is absolutely no fucking way their transport network (one of the best in the world, mind) can cope with a sudden influx of huge numbers of people. The city will be brought to a complete standstill.
Leg-ends
06-07-2005, 16:05
Yes, Manchester got sporting facilities and the city centre got some redevelopment. On the other hand, the Commonwealth Games didn't exactly regenerate some of the more deprived areas of Manchester, unlike the plans for Stratford (one of the most deprived areas of the UK, apparently. And I can believe that, as I go through it on the way into London).

It has actually gone quite away to regenerating the east side of Manchester, where they built the stadium and cycling track etc, which was in a very bad state before. The only real bad spot around the centre of Manchester now is Salford (not technically in Manchester so it's not really our problem) and the Moss Side area. Coincidentally as Man City moved out of Moss Side to the stadium at Eastlands the council now has a nice big area of land in Moss Side to redevelop. Of course one thing that would help all this is if the government could hand out £500m to extend the light rail system instead of blowing huge amounts of money into already wealth London.
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 16:11
Could you back that up with some evidence please, I am slightly offended by that. I work in a Pub with a nice little restaurent attached

Good grief, what aren't Britons "slightly offended" by? Do you have any cuisine that isn't boiled or fried? I mean, native cuisine, not the stuff you kyped from the nations you conquered.
Intangelon
06-07-2005, 16:14
As a yank, you aren't able to see the irony of his post, to subtile for you I guess (he tackled you with the same tactick you tried but did not succeed because of his reply)By your reaction, you just made yourself even more ridiculous then in your previous posts (your attack on Via).

You lost, a good advise, think twice and try to read between the lines...

Hat of to you Via! Very subtile :p :D

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

You declared it, therefore it must be true.

Yeah. Right. Sure. You win. Incidentally, when you're trying to support someone, you do a much better job if you can do it in English.

Being a "Yank" has precious little to do with recognizing irony. I recognize it when it's there. Stupidity, on the other hand....
The Damned Wastelands
06-07-2005, 16:25
horraayyy 4 london :) everyone else has been :sniper: out of the picture!!
SimNewtonia
06-07-2005, 17:04
Pfft, have you ever been to London during rush hour? There is absolutely no fucking way their transport network (one of the best in the world, mind) can cope with a sudden influx of huge numbers of people. The city will be brought to a complete standstill.

Well, if you looked at Sydney's transport network right now, you'd hardly believe it hosted the Games just 5 years ago. Right now it's a shambles. On-time running is below 70% most weeks (the world standard is something like 92%), trains are often misdirected, trains terminate without warning, and to add to this, my line's got trackwork this week and next, and I have an appointment in the city this week, and I have an appointment in this city.

In contrast, our system worked almost flawlessly for the 2-week period of the Games. It wasn't working too well before the Games either (though it was significantly better than it is now.

One thing to our advantage was that our CBD is off-centre. The main Games venue was pretty much at the geographic heart of the city, which helps to spread the load traffic wise. There was also excellent event buses (which still run annually for the 2-week period of our Easter Show).

These days the former Olympic Stadium (now called Telstra Stadium *sigh*) has a reduced capacity of 83,500 (down from about 100,000). Mind, more seats are covered, but the field isn't (brilliant stadium, it's HUUUUGE!)
OceanDrive2
06-07-2005, 17:25
That is a problem on NS, French bashing is tolerated and constant, a French critical opinion is seen as arrogant by the arrogant. The bad luck you have on a site with a neocon majority won't change, but you're right, it is a fact.

A non French and a non English (but I speak both languages and love you both Brits and French).I don't like the French..but i do think That Paris or Madrid would have been a better choice...

the same way I like the NFL policy for superbowl sites.

Tourism hot spots cities are where i want to go.

London? lets just say the weather and food are not my favorites...
Sabrinedia
06-07-2005, 17:26
Yay! Rule Britannia!! :fluffle:
Alien Born
06-07-2005, 17:28
Oh well. That means my parents can expect a family reunion in seven years time. That would be interesting, people from all over the world, living in one house for a few weeks.
Tomzilla
06-07-2005, 17:33
Well, this "yank" from Chicago says "Good job, and good luck."
Sanx
06-07-2005, 17:48
the Millennium Dome. Way over budget, and not actually complete for the Millennium.

Err, yes it was. They sang Auld Lang Syne in it on January 1st 2000
Krytenia
07-07-2005, 17:54
Good grief, what aren't Britons "slightly offended" by? Do you have any cuisine that isn't boiled or fried? I mean, native cuisine, not the stuff you kyped from the nations you conquered.

Roast lamb, Yorkshire puddings, steak & ale pie, custard, Dundee cakes, Eccles cakes, shortbread, digestive biscuits, Cornish pasties, jellied eels...

Nope, nothing.
Velo
07-07-2005, 20:57
Today, we saw again that London is not the place to organise the games. Let it be clear, London is not ready and unsafe. Go Paris!
Corneliu
07-07-2005, 21:03
Today, we saw again that London is not the place to organise the games. Let it be clear, London is not ready and unsafe. Go Paris!

Newsflash:

The IOC has full confidence in London!

So take your remarks and shove it.
Ariddia
07-07-2005, 21:24
Today, we saw again that London is not the place to organise the games. Let it be clear, London is not ready and unsafe. Go Paris!

P*tain, je l'attendais pas, celle-là... Qu'est-ce que tu essaies de faire, alimenter la flamme de la haine anti-française? Donner raison à tous ces connards de xénophobes qui nous haïssent déjà?

T'es complètement malade. Essayer de profiter de la tragédie à Londres pour un tel coup bas. C'est immonde. Ce que tu fais est absolument méprisable.
M3rcenaries
07-07-2005, 21:35
w00t, better than france. yah go london.
(french guy) :mad: :sniper: (me)
Ariddia
07-07-2005, 21:38
w00t, better than france. yah go london.
(french guy) :mad: :sniper: (me)

Is that aimed at me, for congratulating London and telling my countryman to piss off with his despicable remarks? :(
Heron-Marked Warriors
07-07-2005, 21:54
Today, we saw again that London is not the place to organise the games. Let it be clear, London is not ready and unsafe. Go Paris!

Hehehehe

If london is not unsafe as you suggest...
Corneliu
07-07-2005, 23:14
Is that aimed at me, for congratulating London and telling my countryman to piss off with his despicable remarks? :(

I don't think it was Ariddia! Thanks for the translation :)
Via Ferrata
09-07-2005, 18:12
Is that aimed at me, for congratulating London and telling my countryman to piss off with his despicable remarks? :(

I don't think you can say that he is your countrymen, try to be less snob and don't think that everyone who critisises the anglo saxon is automaticly French By thinking that, you just gave ammo to everyone that says that most French think that France is the center of the globe, you're an example of it.Poor you.
Velo
09-07-2005, 20:25
Is that aimed at me, for congratulating London and telling my countryman to piss off :(


Connasse, je ne suis pas Français. Mais toi, t'est l'horreur de la France, comme les collabo d'antan. Essayez d'être un peu plus critique et regardez plus loin du fait accompli des attentas. la raison, elle est ou? pour toi et les autres neoconservateurs elle est chez les musulmans et comme ca tu essaye de creeer un climat de guerre entre les civilisations, c'est juste ce qui veulent ces terroristes et leur allie a Washington ou son homologue Anglais.

Est ce qu'on, est Français parce que on parle un peu de Français, non! (pourquoi, tu pense que je suis un compatriote, nous sommes d'a peut près d'un vingtaine de nationalitées travaillant en montagne ici, je parle le Français par respect, ca me fait pas Français malgré que je serais toujours plus integré dans la Savoie que tu le peut être dans tes rêves). J'essaie dans ma vie contidiene de faire mon mieux comme Anglo Saxon. Aussi pour les 5 autres langues que je parle, toi tu pense que t'est qq du monde parce que comme Française, tu parle aussi l'Anglais. Parler l'Anglais comme Fr. te fait pas automatiquement un intello (arrogant de toi même de penser de partager ce monde a cause de parler peu d'Anglais).

Travaillant a Cham, et parlant, discutant le subjet avec autres Chamoniards,( nés ou pas nées,ns sommes une famille ici), je crois que c'est toi qui comprends mal ce monde. c'est a cause de Blair et de Bush que ceci est arrivée, pas l'envers. Continuez de baisser ce monde par être ne pas critique ou de refuser un petit effort pour avoir un regard objectif sur Blair ou Bush, votre resultat est vue cette semaine dans les attentats et chaque jour sur nos glaciers ici... Je devine que t'est lecteur du Figaro, je te conseille le Monde (et LM Diplomatique) et Libé pour un autre régard.


You're completly wrong by thinking that I don't feel compassion with the victims, I try to search for explanations, you refuse to see them and as allways chose the easy option of the blind, attacking the mesangers. Pauvre type.

Toujours volontiers de débater.

Vélo, Guide et Moniteur à Cham (BTW, most of my clients are US and UK, their oppinions defere from yours, specially once they visit Cham often and see the devastation in our mountains here).

(Kind) Regards
Velo
09-07-2005, 20:37
I don't think you can say that he is your countrymen, try to be less snob and don't think that everyone who critisises the anglo saxon is automaticly French By thinking that, you just gave ammo to everyone that says that most French think that France is the center of the globe, you're an example of it.Poor you.

Merci, droit au bout. Merci pou le "bump" si non, je n'avais pas vu. :)
Quand ca t'interresse, nous avons un site web bilingue et tres interessant:
http://www.cieguides-chamonix.com/

Regards.
The horny gollach
10-07-2005, 13:13
Today, we saw again that London is not the place to organise the games. Let it be clear, London is not ready and unsafe. Go Paris!

And the you've got the guy who want to shoot french people.

I think that Ariddia was not the only person to assume that Velo was french.
Hatred is so boring.
Ariddia
10-07-2005, 15:08
I don't think you can say that he is your countrymen,

Sorry, wasn't thinking on that one. :( You're right, and I apologise.

Velo, tes commentaires m'ont bien fait rire. Visiblement tu n'as jamais lu aucun autre de mes posts, et tu me connais très, très mal. Tu t'es rendu assez ridicule, du coup.


Essayez d'être un peu plus critique et regardez plus loin du fait accompli des attentas.


Ce que je ne cesse de faire ici depuis des mois, et de faire réfléchir les gens quant aux vrais raisons du terrorisme, au-delà comme tu dis du fait accompli.

pour toi et les autres neoconservateurs

Je suis communiste.


je crois que c'est toi qui comprends mal ce monde. c'est a cause de Blair et de Bush que ceci est arrivée, pas l'envers.

Je suis tout à fait d'accord. Que tu aies pu penser que je pensais l'inverse montre à quel point tu me connais mal. Ne te précipites pas à des conclusions hâtives à l'avenir. Il semblerait que nos convictions soient assez proches.


Je devine que t'est lecteur du Figaro, je te conseille le Monde (et LM Diplomatique) et Libé pour un autre régard.


Un électeur LCR qui lirait le Figaro, ça ferait bizarre... Je lis le Monde et Libé, comme toi apparemment.


You're completly wrong by thinking that I don't feel compassion with the victims,

Then I apologise for my comment. But yours did seem insensitive, and there have been so many like it that I get a little jumpy.


I try to search for explanations, you refuse to see them and as allways chose the easy option of the blind, attacking the mesangers. Pauvre type.


Again, as I said above (in French) you obviously know nothing about me, nor have you read any of my other posts in these fora. The degree to which you misunderstand who I am and what I believe is amusing, though a little saddening too.

If you're going to criticise and attack people, be sure you pick the right targets and be sure they believe what you think they believe. Accusing me, on the basis of one short comment, of being a neo-conservative and a blind follower of Bush when I am in fact a communist and I've been criticising Bush steadily in these fora makes your entire rant look... well, ridiculous. You couldn't have missed the mark further if you'd tried, and what makes it worse is that we seem to share the same basic beliefs and outlook on the world. *shrugs*


Toujours volontiers de débater.


De même.