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This is a curiosity poll, something I have wandered about for some time.

How cute is the dog?

What kind of retarded comparison is that? A person is always more important than a goddamn dog!

An innocent person being killed is far worse than an innocent dog being killed. For me, its a no brainer. Some stupid mutt getting killed may be sad, but nowhere near as tragic as any human life being snuffed out.

Depends on whether you're a cat person or a dog person.
Sure, it's worse if a person gets killed, but it horrifies/sickens me more to see a dog get killed.
No reason, it's subconscious.

Obviously, the innocent person is worse.

However, I would probably begin to question just how innocent that person is. I wouldn't question the dog's innocence. So I would probably hesitate and the person would probably die anyway. But the dog would be safe. :)

I don't know, for some reason the animal dying just bothers me more. I mean, maybe not if you were going to eat it. But if it was a pet or so... I'm odd I suppose, but in movies and the like, a person can go about bumping off people left and right, but when they get the pet I just get irked. Not especially irked, as it's just fiction, but I suppose the same would carry over to real life. However in general I'd probably be more able to kill an animal than a human. And by animal that should be 'not insect' as I'm rather inclined to swatting mosquitos and other biting buggies.

Obviously, the innocent person is worse.

However, I would probably begin to question just how innocent that person is. I wouldn't question the dog's innocence. So I would probably hesitate and the person would probably die anyway. But the dog would be safe. :)
A dog is also more defenseless.

A dog is also more defenseless.

F*ckin' tard! Dogs have their teeth, aggression and willingness to use both. It's their instinct. Humans are by far, less defensive.

Why not revise the poll? So that you'll have:

- White man
- Black man
- Dog

LOL!

People by the large tend to be somewhat desensitized to violence and death among humans. For instance, when the movie Equilibrium came out, people were ranting about how sickening the scene where dogs were executed was yet the whole movie was full of humans getting shot up. Strange priority in my opinion.

F*ckin' tard! Dogs have their teeth, aggression and willingness to use both. It's their instinct. Humans are by far, less defensive.

Why not revise the poll? So that you'll have:

- White man
- Black man
- Dog

LOL!

Because A)I don't want to invite the racists back and B) White men are never innocent. :p

Joking. Just joking. :p

Human. No matter how small, Humans always have a chance of offering something truly important. Dogs, whilst cute and good companions, hardly compete with Human relationships* and can't exactly contend with literature or art.

*And I say this as an animal lover.

F*ckin' tard! Dogs have their teeth, aggression and willingness to use both. It's their instinct. Humans are by far, less defensive.
But they're so cute, like this little pup:http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/skraablikk/article417301.ece

But they're so cute, like this little pup:
http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/skraablikk/article417301.ece

Dogs carry rabies, they sh*t, fuck and piss where ever they like. Did I mention that they also eat sh*t?

Dogs are subhuman, like all animals.

I don't know, for some reason the animal dying just bothers me more. I mean, maybe not if you were going to eat it. But if it was a pet or so... I'm odd I suppose, but in movies and the like, a person can go about bumping off people left and right, but when they get the pet I just get irked. Not especially irked, as it's just fiction, but I suppose the same would carry over to real life. However in general I'd probably be more able to kill an animal than a human. And by animal that should be 'not insect' as I'm rather inclined to swatting mosquitos and other biting buggies.

Movies play it out that way by drawing attention to the pet.

I assume that everyone has seen the video of Nicholas Berg being decapitated.

That was the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.

It depends if the killer is Colonel Mustard or Mrs. Peacock.

Dogs carry ravies, they sh*t, fuck and piss where ever they like. Did I mention that they also eat sh*t?

Dogs are subhuman, like all animals.
Well, so do some humans. Ever seen Pink Flamingos?

It depends if the killer is Colonel Mustard or Mrs. Peacock.

Or if they did it in the kitchen or the ballroom.

Or if they used the revolver or the candlestick.

People by the large tend to be somewhat desensitized to violence and death among humans. For instance, when the movie Equilibrium came out, people were ranting about how sickening the scene where dogs were executed was yet the whole movie was full of humans getting shot up. Strange priority in my opinion.

It depends on how graphic the scenes are.

Well, so do some humans. Ever seen Pink Flamingos?

Yeah, I saw them in the zoo last week. It was a smelly place.

Humans have souls; dogs don't.

That being said, as humans, we have a responsibility to dogs (and other creatures) to look after their welfare. So, although it would horrify me more to see a human killed, I wouldn't be completely numb to the killing of the dog.

I don't like to see an animal killed either, but seeing a soldier on the ground getting his throat cut out with a hunting knife by some other soldier ruined my life for months. It bothered me in a way that nothing else I have ever seen did or has since.

What offends and/or horrifies/sickens you more?

The fact that 11 people answered option 2.

I MEANT TO VOTE 1, but I misread the topic title....

Even the lowest human life is higher than the highest dog life.

An innocent person being killed is far worse than an innocent dog being killed. For me, its a no brainer. Some stupid mutt getting killed may be sad, but nowhere near as tragic as any human life being snuffed out.

But... Why? I hate to play the devils advocate here, but there really is no significant difference in the life of a dog versus the life of a human. We're both just animals. Humans just happen to be smarter.

But... Why? I hate to play the devils advocate here, but there really is no significant difference in the life of a dog versus the life of a human. We're both just animals. Humans just happen to be smarter.

No no...we have souls.

What sickens me is that a dog is able to lick its own balls.

Otherwise they're fine and all happy/funny.

No no...we have souls.

No, we don't. We have no souls, there is no Higher Influence. We are just fairly intelligent monkeys who fall out of trees a lot.

No no...we have souls.
What are these "souls" you speak of?

No, you are not sick about asking this question. I find it's rather common.

And I would vote the dog if it was a choice between an avalanche rescue dog or Pauly Shore...

No, we don't. We have no souls, there is no Higher Influence. We are just fairly intelligent monkeys who fall out of trees a lot.

Hey! I find that statement offensive!


I much prefer the term "Apes"! :D

An innocent person killed? Only a moron would not choose to save an innocent human life.

An innocent person being killed is far worse than an innocent dog being killed. For me, its a no brainer. Some stupid mutt getting killed may be sad, but nowhere near as tragic as any human life being snuffed out.

Indeed... I can't believe this is even a thread.

No no...we have souls.
I had one, once.

I had one, once.
Yeah. It went nice with lemon.

It's the dog, unless the dog is mean for no reason. Then I don't give a shit either way.

I hate dogs. Seriously. Show me a puppy and I'll slap it across the face.

I hate dogs. Seriously. Show me a puppy and I'll slap it across the face.
*Gasps.*

I hate people, but I don't go around slapping babies across the face! :p

I hate dogs. Seriously. Show me a puppy and I'll slap it across the face.

Yeah! Humans are superior to animals. If it's the opposite case, none of you would be sitting here.

I mean c'mon. Put the following things in front of me:

1. A cute puppy
2. An amazingly hot naked girl


Where the hell do you think my eyes will go? Honestly. Humans above dogs and above all other animals, all the way.

Is it discrimination if it's against members of races that AREN'T human?

Yeah! Humans are superior to animals. If it's the opposite case, none of you would be sitting here.
But humans are animals.

But humans are animals.

We are so much more than animals. We know how to define right and wrong. We sit down and think about big issues, like regional and global problems. We invent and innovate, and create something new out of nothing.

No other organism does this. It is because we are superior to them.

We are so much more than animals. We know how to define right and wrong. We sit down and think about big issues, like regional and global problems. We invent and innovate, and create something new out of nothing.

No other organism does this. It is because we are superior to them.
Oh, and we have this amazingly ability to make nothing out of everything. That's a fun ability to have.

Oh, and we have this amazingly ability to make nothing out of everything. That's a fun ability to have.
And panic out of nothing. ;)

And panic out of nothing. ;)
Oh, and to kill themselves willfully and fully consciously and aware of all the consequences.

Lots of highly disturbed people people here I see. More than I had thought.

But... Why? I hate to play the devils advocate here, but there really is no significant difference in the life of a dog versus the life of a human. We're both just animals. Humans just happen to be smarter.

Oh really? You make me wonder.

Dogs are awesome.

But a person is still worth more.

Enough said.

Oh, and to kill themselves willfully and fully consciously and aware of all the consequences.If we really knew what happens to us at death, we wouldn't argue over it.

Geez. So all those people who voted against killing the dog, if it came down to saving either your child or your dog, you would pick the DOG?

I mean, if you had, say, a 3-year old daughter, she would obviously be an innocent person.

Yet you voted that killing an innocent dog would horrify you MORE than killing an innocent person. Killing a dog is worse than killing your daughter.

That is just sad.

C'mon, people, the OP didn't ask "Whose life is more valuable?" or "Whom would you save if you had to choose between these options?" Most of us would agree that we value our own species more than others - that's a simple biological imperative. (Personally, I don't believe humans are inherently "superior," but that's irrelevant.)

However, the actual question was "Which horrifies/sickens you more?" That being said, there are certainly circumstances where killing the dog would be more horrifying to me. Consider the difference between killing a human adult while in a rage and torturing a puppy to death for fun. Given those two scenarios, I would find the puppy-killer more repulsive. That doesn't mean I value the puppy more than the human victim, but merely that deliberate cruelty towards a helpless creature seems more morally repugnant to me than overwrought anger against someone who might even deserve the anger (though obviously not the murder).

North Artic - your argument is biased towards your child, of course.

Let me put bias in other way:
What would you save: mountain rescue dog, who has saved 150 human lives in its life and all he wants is human love and friendship
or
politician, who has indirectly sent thousands people to death (and is legally innocent) and all he wants is power and money?

assume general average human and dog with no personal ties. I still voted for dog. There are no such things as innocent human, hence, there are no priority in saving him.

That doesn't mean I value the puppy more than the human victim, but merely that deliberate cruelty towards a helpless creature seems more morally repugnant to me than overwrought anger against someone who might even deserve the anger (though obviously not the murder).
But a child is also a person. How is a child not helpless? You can't compare a psychotic guy killing an innocent puppy for fun to a hot-headed guy killing his ex-lover. The situations aren't even close to equal. You can't compare them.

I mean, if you're going to assume that this is a psychotic guy killing an innocent baby dog for fun, you've got to also assume that this is a psychotic guy killing an innocent baby human for fun.

I have no problem watching a dog or human get killed our ultimate fate is to die anyways but i would have a problem seeing the family of the human that died afterwards because they'd be totally devastated were a dog wouldn't really care so my problem isnt who dies but the reactions of the loved ones

North Artic - your argument is biased towards your child, of course.

Let me put bias in other way:
What would you save: mountain rescue dog, who has saved 150 human lives in its life and all he wants is human love and friendship
or
politician, who has indirectly sent thousands people to death (and is legally innocent) and all he wants is power and money?

assume general average human and dog with no personal ties. I still voted for dog. There are no such things as innocent human, hence, there are no priority in saving him.

See, you all are comparing COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

Between a mountain rescue dog, who has saved 150 human lives, and a paramedic who has saved 150 human lives? I'd choose the paramedic.

What horrifies me worst is world peace. Then I'd be out of a job.

But, yeah, the death of a human being is far more tragic than the death of an animal. Any animal. Except maybe our Cat overlords.

Intellectually, I would have voted for the human. Humans are able to conceive of and worry about the future. Humans are able to contemplate their fates. Humans, as more intelligent beings, have more potential to lead full lives, and therefore more to lose from an early death.

That said, I don't really like humans. Nine out of ten humans I meet are either worthless or insufferable pricks, unworthy of the precious oxygen I'm forced to share with them. Furthermore, mass media has desensitized me to human death to the point that I find "dead baby" jokes downright hilarious. I imagine I would still be appalled if I ever encountered such a situation in real life, but it hasn't come up. Simply put, the thought of someone hurting a person causes less emotional outrage in me than the thought of someone hurting a dog, for reasons beyond my control. So I voted for the dog.

But a child is also a person. How is a child not helpless? You can't compare a psychotic guy killing an innocent puppy for fun to a hot-headed guy killing his ex-lover. The situations aren't even close to equal. You can't compare them.

I mean, if you're going to assume that this is a psychotic guy killing an innocent baby dog for fun, you've got to also assume that this is a psychotic guy killing an innocent baby human for fun.

You seem to have missed half my point. I agree - the situations are vastly different, which is why I argued that one can't separate such acts into categories such that killing a human is ALWAYS more repugnant than killing a dog. Torturing a human baby to death for fun is unquestionably at least as horrible as torturing a puppy to death for fun.

Clearer? :)

You seem to have missed half my point.
Yes.. I do seem to have missed it.. sorry about that. I tend to miss a lot of things at 3 in the morning. :(

Generally, I don't prefer any of the other. On an individual basis however, it could be either, depending on the situation.

Yes.. I do seem to have missed it.. sorry about that. I tend to miss a lot of things at 3 in the morning. :(

No problem. I know the feeling... :)

Oh, and we have this amazingly ability to make nothing out of everything. That's a fun ability to have.
That's right. We have the innate ability to innovate and imagine.

We are so much more than animals. We know how to define right and wrong. We sit down and think about big issues, like regional and global problems. We invent and innovate, and create something new out of nothing.

No other organism does this. It is because we are superior to them.
None of this makes us any innately superior to an animal. As I said, we're simply smarter than dogs. We're both just mushy bags of meat.

If you're valuing life by intelligence: which life is more important, the village idiot's, or the local genius?

Human. No matter how small, Humans always have a chance of offering something truly important. Dogs, whilst cute and good companions, hardly compete with Human relationships* and can't exactly contend with literature or art.

*And I say this as an animal lover.

[/Waves Bergark's old sock in front of brutal killer mastiff with laser beam and shouts 'KILL!']

None of this makes us any innately superior to an animal. As I said, we're simply smarter than dogs. We're both just mushy bags of meat.

If you're valuing life by intelligence: which life is more important, the village idiot's, or the local genius?

I'm not valuing life by intelligence. I'm valuing life by the presence of a soul. Humans have souls, and therefore are inevitably more superior to a dog. Therefore, both the lives of the village idiot and the local genus are equally important.

No, we don't. We have no souls, there is no Higher Influence. We are just fairly intelligent monkeys who fall out of trees a lot.

I second that! It's amazing how human beings place themselves above everything else on earth when they had to go through the exact same evolutionary process than the amoeba. And it's not that smart to cling onto some being that is bigger and better than you, just because you do not want to be responsible for your own crap decisions, or because you don't want top feel small and all alone. Sometimes i think that human beings give themselves too much credit.

I'm not valuing life by intelligence. I'm valuing life by the presence of a soul. Humans have souls, and therefore are inevitably more superior to a dog. Therefore, both the lives of the village idiot and the local genus are equally important.
I don't believe in souls. Does this make my life somehow less valuable than yours, because you believe in a fiction you learned from a book?

Who will make a greater contribution to society, the person or the dog?

Who will make a greater contribution to society, the person or the dog?
It depends.
What if the person is a bum and the dog is a highly decorated Search and Rescue dog?
The bum only detracts from society. He takes up welfare checks and scares tourists with his stories about aliens and graphic descriptions of probing.
The dog dragged little Timmy from a well a few days ago, saved three men from a burning building and is fluffy.
Take your pick :P

Who will make a greater contribution to society, the person or the dog?

The person is me, the dog is just an average German Shepard.

The dog, obviously - no human being is truly "innocent", wheras an animal is by definition only capable of being innocent.

The person is me, the dog is just an average German Shepard.

Then I'd be more offended if the Shepard were to be murdered.

Then I'd be more offended if the Shepard were to be murdered.

Amazingly enough, i would also be more upset by the death of the dog. I mean, who knows what that German Shepard could accomplish? I know what i can, and it ain't much.

Amazingly enough, i would also be more upset by the death of the dog. I mean, who knows what that German Shepard could accomplish? I know what i can, and it ain't much.

What if it's fur was a super-intelligent shade of blue, and the dog ended up solving the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything? I'm sure you'd happily give up your life for the greater good?

What if it's fur was a super-intelligent shade of blue, and the dog ended up solving the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything? I'm sure you'd happily give up your life for the greater good?

Of course i would. The universe is what is important.

I assume that everyone has seen the video of Nicholas Berg being decapitated.

That was the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.
I once saw a "home movie" made by Chechen rebels when they captured a few Russians.
It's actually amazing the things the human body can take before it dies... :(

I choose the dog, it's very cocky of us to think we are better or more important then any other animal on the planet. At least the animals don't ruin the planet with pollution.

it depends on how you look at if the question is what would you prefer to live id say human but if the question is what would sicken you more it would have to be the animal being killed (though if I was Korean I would ask for the meat :mad: )

Yeah, a dog getting killed would hurt me more, or sicken me, than a human being killed. Both choices are awful, but I still think the dog is harder for me to handle, unless I know the person.

I don't believe in souls. Does this make my life somehow less valuable than yours, because you believe in a fiction you learned from a book?
NO WAY! Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't make you soulless. :D

I don't believe in souls either. But for the sake of argument...how sure are you that dogs don't have souls?

How the hell has it come about that 30% of people voted for the dog?

I really find people who chose animal lives over human lives quite sickening. Probably as much as animal-rights activists find me sickening.

wow, according to this poll 28% of people are comparable to Adolf Hitler. :(

I choose the dog, it's very cocky of us to think we are better or more important then any other animal on the planet. At least the animals don't ruin the planet with pollution.
Guess again, cows are one of the largest contributors of greenhouse gasses on the planet. :D

Actually, cows would never have reached their current numbers if not for the human race.

Furthermore, fulfilling Godwin's Law isn't the best way to make friends.

I would rather have both get killed, then put the dog's legs on the person's body and magicly raise them from the dead. You would get a...Derson. Or a Pog.

Even the lowest human life is higher than the highest dog life.

So you would rather want an innocent dog dead over Osama Bin Landen?

wow, according to this poll 28% of people are comparable to Adolf Hitler. :(


Yay! I'm comparable to Adolf Hitler!

Although, honestly, c'mon now. I see a random Billy-Bob get shot while walking down the street, I'd probably think, "Wow, that sucks. Should call the cops."

I see a dog run up to the guy who just got shot - and suddenly get hit by a car while crossing the road, I'd probably feel a bit more of a gut-wrentch from that, although the importance of the situation would remain squarely on the man.

In my opinion, it is more important for humans to uphold human life while doing what we can for the rest - but that does not mean I actually care about half of you people. Then again, I really am only here to make sure I get enough money to live comfortably, enjoy as much music as I can absorb during a life time, educate myself as much as possible until I die - while whatever happens to the rest of you people really does mean little to me. Won't stop me from helping those who need my help, of course, since I'm not about to let someone else's life be ruined by my 'uncaring'.

I'm pretty cold.

Cup of coffee, anyone?

I've seen that video with the prisoner getting his throat stabbed with the knife. That is pretty gruesome - and definetely churned parts of my stomach I didn't even know existed. I also saw a video of some rural animal pelt skinners using some pretty nasty tactics to "soften" their still living stock, along with skinning them alive. Seeing that bleeding, skinless critter hanging upside down lift its head towards one of the guys was also pretty nauseating. Being exposed to real death this graphic in general is pretty revolting, regardless of genetic orientation (for the politically correct ones out there).

- White man
- Black man
- Dog

LOL

I voted dog...I'm really not sure why, I realize that it would be much more tragic if a human lost they're lives rather then a dog, but I donno...maybe its just because dogs dont bother me were as there are thousands of people in my city alone who annoy me to no end.

Well, whereas both killings would offend me, what'd horrify/sicken me more would be the dog's (or any vertebrate which I don't use as food's) death. Why? Because I'm all for population control; less people = less trouble (and yes, I'm an equal offender).
And no, it does not make me comparable to Hitler, because he had his beloved pet dog Blondie killed in order to test a poison; one of the many things he did that I'd never do.

you know i saw War of the Worlds today the new version, always been a fan of that film

Humans are not that impressive, the possibility of a race out there similar to that of the Martians in WoTW that look apon us as ants, insects, bugs.. something to be squished out of the way. Watching that film, showing how the aliens just dumped the humans in big cages, squishing them into blood to spread across the earth to grow the martian weed made me think about EXACTLY how mankind treat other animals and Earth in general. If War of the Worlds did happen, it would be ironic justice.

Dogs, Humans... its nature to be more upset about the death of a human because we ARE human. However it doesn't mean we are superior to anything, and the only reason we are "more intelligant" is because we evolved that way from monkeys. We are 2 legged 2 armed evolved Apes. Meat bags with a big(ish) brain (even though alot of humans are unmeasurably stupid)

Oh and i voted Dog :p

Why? Because I'm all for population control; less people = less trouble (and yes, I'm an equal offender).

Cats and dogs are usually spayed and neutered for population control.

Cats and dogs are usually spayed and neutered for population control.
Well, I think the world would be a much better place if people started to have more vasectomies and tubal ligation (or simply used condoms and the pill, at least). Though I'd never support forced sterilization, of course.
Personally, I won't be producing any hellspawn myself (both by choice and circumstances), and if I'll ever feel the need to form a human young's mind, I'll adopt. But adding to the poulation growth from my side.