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i'm tired of arguing about americans. i like americans, they're fun to drink with. they just happen to suffer through a flawed electoral system that only gives them fools and maniacs to choose from and a media that would rather propagandize than inform. it's time for a combative, ultimately pointless post where we argue about my own country.

I voted "entirely positive."

Can Quebecois vote?

I don’t like Canadians. They are too anti-American, too socialistic and too fond of baby seal killing for my tastes.

I don’t like Canadians. They are too anti-American, too socialistic and too fond of baby seal killing for my tastes.

...we can't help it, killing baby seals is just so fun! besides, aren't you guys (i assume you're american) doing a little too much arctic oil drilling to have the right to complain what we do with OUR seal population?

...the anti-american thing, however, is occasionally true. but then, you're anti-canadian, apperantly, so it only seems fair, doesn't it?

Love Canadians, they're heaps laid back, make socially positive choices and hold a generally war free back ground. Yay for Canada I shall visit you again!

Once again, I exercise my Canadian-ness and vote "indifferent" because I don't know most of them.

Neutral. I mean, you have your good Canadians and your bad Canadians. They all even each other off.

Mostly Positive.
No one is completely positive (and clubbing seals is not nice at all...) but generally, Canada has a much better grasp of reality. Not as ideological as the US, and certainly less interventionist.
More responsible, I conclude.

Mostly positive. I meet them from time to time when skiing, and when I go up there for vacation, and they were polite and nice, like anyone else. However, I had some problems with a few people from Quebec who treated me rudely because I was American, so I can't be entirely positive.

I tend to judge Canadians on a person-to-person basis. I mean, most of my friends are Canadian, but there're some people that I just can't stand.

...we can't help it, killing baby seals is just so fun! besides, aren't you guys (i assume you're american) doing a little too much arctic oil drilling to have the right to complain what we do with OUR seal population?

There is a difference between sadism and attempting to obtain the recourses that drive your way of life. Besides the Canadians are gearing up for arctic drilling, so they can sell it to the Chinese. “Let’s help the tyrants just to spite those bourgeois Americans.”

...the anti-american thing, however, is occasionally true. but then, you're anti-canadian, apperantly, so it only seems fair, doesn't it?

I liked Canada, until I saw their parliament cheering when the vote passed not to help the US in Iraq.

I don't favor Canada one bit as it is too liberal with its marijuana laws and gay marriages.

Love Canadians, they're heaps laid back, make socially positive choices and hold a generally war free back ground. Yay for Canada I shall visit you again!

Those are exactly the reasons I voted "mostly negative." Canadians are lazy, pontificating, Liberal-voting snobs who are content to preach at everyone else whilst neither contributing any help nor actually following the ideals they pretend to hold dear.

I like Canada. I like the way they talk aboot things. :D

Those are exactly the reasons I voted "mostly negative." Canadians are lazy, pontificating, Liberal-voting snobs who are content to preach at everyone else whilst neither contributing any help nor actually following the ideals they pretend to hold dear.
Of course!
We're selling landmines, waging wars, discriminating against most minorities and not engaging in multilateral dialogue.
Bah... Canadians, we're baaaaaaad.

Of course!
We're selling landmines, waging wars, discriminating against most minorities and not engaging in multilateral dialogue.
Bah... Canadians, we're baaaaaaad.

lol ...

I wish we were engaging in more wars. When will the elites in Ottawa realize that this "soft power" of theirs is more hot air and wishful thinking than anything else? Also, Canada has either cozied up to dictatorships (Cuba, China), or ignored entirely the threat they pose (Iran, N. Korea). If we truly are a freedom-loving democracy, it's time to get serious with these clowns.

As for the landmines comment: I don't get it. I'm with the US government on this one. Landmines are a valid, and valuable, tool of war.

Never really thought about them in either a positive or negative fashion. actually I guess more positive.

I voted entirelly negative.I hate French-Canadians, which is the only reason I think I hate Canada.If it werent for the French-Canadians I think Canada would be a cool place.

i'm tired of arguing about americans. i like americans, they're fun to drink with. they just happen to suffer through a flawed electoral system that only gives them fools and maniacs to choose from and a media that would rather propagandize than inform. it's time for a combative, ultimately pointless post where we argue about my own country.
Canadians...Are they Americans, are they French, are they British?? Let's just say Canadians.
I have been to Canada once and it was very nice.
Is it a colony, is it a nation or ???
I dont know what to say about Canada other then it's a nice country, it's just there and people know it but forgett it.

I voted entirelly negative.I hate French-Canadians, which is the only reason I think I hate Canada.If it werent for the French-Canadians I think Canada would be a cool place.

Generally it's nice, but too socialistic for my taste. As for the Quebeckers ... I still bear them a grudge for fighting conscription far more enthusiastically than they ever fought the Germans. :rolleyes:

My father was in Canada about twenty years ago studying for his masters degree. Upon graduation, some students in that university put up a shocking parade of nudes in celebration. My father's impression of that country changed completely.

Nice, clean and green, that's how many foreigners view Canada, but in my opinion (mirroring my father's) the people must have a liberal epidemic or something.

I voted entirelly negative.I hate French-Canadians, which is the only reason I think I hate Canada.If it werent for the French-Canadians I think Canada would be a cool place.

French Canadians are great. I was in Montreal in January with a French friend, they hated me coz I couldn't speak French, and they hated her because she had a such a posh accennt. :rolleyes:

Can't keep them happy. I wonder why the rest of Canada is so keen to keep them on board?

There is a difference between sadism and attempting to obtain the recourses that drive your way of life. Besides the Canadians are gearing up for arctic drilling, so they can sell it to the Chinese. “Let’s help the tyrants just to spite those bourgeois Americans.”

apparently my joke about seal clubbing didn't translate well. i'm not actually in favor of recreational seal clubbing (although, as a vegetarian, i also have issues with the idea that only the cute animals should be saved. but that's another argument entirely). as far as the cheering our non-involvement in iraq, Parliament followed the will of the majority of canadians, who believed that there were no WMD to be found (there weren't), iraq wasn't a significant threat to us (it wasn't), and invading another country just because it's government was scum wasn't sufficient reason (that last one's debatable, Saddam really was scum) So parliament didn't involve itself in the invasion. you know, because it's a democracy. and the government follows the will of the people.

French Canadians are great. I was in Montreal in January with a French friend, they hated me coz I couldn't speak French, and they hated her because she had a such a posh accennt. :rolleyes:

Can't keep them happy. I wonder why the rest of Canada is so keen to keep them on board?

Mainly for spite, I think. :D

I don't favor Canada one bit as it is too liberal with its marijuana laws and gay marriages.
Damn those pot smoking gays, they'll be the downfall of society.

Could someone from Quebec explain to me this "distinct society" thing?

Why do you want it so badly, and why were you so bitter once the rest of Canada told you to sod off?

...some students in that university put up a shocking parade of nudes in celebration.

Avast! Avert ye' eyes least ye' see the privates of another!!!

Hehe, that's awesome. Why would that change your opinion of a country though? Must really have some hangups about nudity. Reminds of some of the capping stunts at my university... :D.

From what I understand, Canada has a sort of media blackout when it comes to exporting it's image. You simply don't hear much about it for good or ill. From individuals over the internet however, I gather that they have more then their fair share of problems yet they do have some good points.

...we can't help it, killing baby seals is just so fun! besides, aren't you guys (i assume you're american) doing a little too much arctic oil drilling to have the right to complain what we do with OUR seal population?

You can't bitch at us for oil because you are our number two (or was it one?) source of foreign oil coming into the US. You are driling your own land and shipping it out, don't be hipocritical. As for seals, that is your own freaky little problem. :p

Overall, I'm neutral on the matter. You have your assholes and your cool folk, every place does.

Well, they dont cause to many problems. and they generally dont complain. Their just above mexico on my list.






Mexico is near the bottom of my list. I voted mostly postive.

EH!. our annual baby seal hunt is big out here. We round up all the baby seals in our capital Toronto and chase them all the way to saskatoon were we bomb the hell out of them with our chinese dynasty rockets. Also we are planning an attack on the USA we have 90% of our population on the boarder ready for a full scale invasion. We have our best subs ready in a secret hiding place (west edmonton mall) "The whole Canadian population will overrun the US with our bow and arrows!! Long live the Socialist Republic of Canada!"- quote Priminister Pierre Poutine.

lol ...

I wish we were engaging in more wars. When will the elites in Ottawa realize that this "soft power" of theirs is more hot air and wishful thinking than anything else? Also, Canada has either cozied up to dictatorships (Cuba, China), or ignored entirely the threat they pose (Iran, N. Korea). If we truly are a freedom-loving democracy, it's time to get serious with these clowns.

As for the landmines comment: I don't get it. I'm with the US government on this one. Landmines are a valid, and valuable, tool of war.

The US has cozied up to the Chinese more so than perhaps any other state I'd say, and the hypocrisy of thinking Chinese Communism is okay enough to trade billions of dollars worth of goods with them, while remaining a FAR more greater potential threat with a far worse human rights record (Cuba isn't good either mind you of course) but saying Cuban Communism is baddddddddd is just ridiculous. Cuba is no threat and never will be again. The US is just pouting that their puppet Batista was kicked out in 1959 and Castro has been sticking it to them for almost half a century. I don't like Castro nor communism for the record.

I will believe US' accusations against states as being threats with far great scepticism after W's pre-9/11 Iraqi war plans were found out.

Oh and why are landmines bad. Oh wellllll I suppose it could have something to do with the thousands of countless innocent lives they take who are non-combatants. That just might be it. And besides many friendly arms manufacturers who give tons of cash to the politicians probably want to keep it that way.

Avast! Avert ye' eyes least ye' see the privates of another!!!

Hehe, that's awesome. Why would that change your opinion of a country though? Must really have some hangups about nudity. Reminds of some of the capping stunts at my university... :D.

The Chinese are very conservative when it comes to issues regarding sex and nudity. Besides, clothing distincts us from the animals, so it's almost bestial to engage in public nudity.

Whereabouts in NZ are you?

Oh and you wish Canada engaged in more wars? Which wars would you have us fight? With what money? Canada IS A SOFT POWER and can't be anything else unless you want to rape the budgets for healthcare, education, the environment and debt relief. Doubt the voters would like that. The best thing Canada did was staying out of Iraq and let's damn well hope Canada will remain as smart as that.

Damn those pot smoking gays, they'll be the downfall of society.

You typed for me.

I voted entirely positive, but being Canadian that's a pretty biased opinion. As for seal clubbing, as far as I know it's only legal for the natives to do it because it's part of their history and culture. I could be wrong though.

Generally it's nice, but too socialistic for my taste. As for the Quebeckers ... I still bear them a grudge for fighting conscription far more enthusiastically than they ever fought the Germans. :rolleyes:

Did it ever occur to you that that was more than sixty years ago? Do you still hold a grudge against...King George III, as well?

What about clubbing all those liberals to death? Now that's progressive!

The US has cozied up to the Chinese more so than perhaps any other state I'd say, and the hypocrisy of thinking Chinese Communism is okay enough to trade billions of dollars worth of goods with them, while remaining a FAR more greater potential threat with a far worse human rights record (Cuba isn't good either mind you of course) but saying Cuban Communism is baddddddddd is just ridiculous. Cuba is no threat and never will be again. The US is just pouting that their puppet Batista was kicked out in 1959 and Castro has been sticking it to them for almost half a century. I don't like Castro nor communism for the record.

I will believe US' accusations against states as being threats with far great scepticism after W's pre-9/11 Iraqi war plans were found out.

Oh and why are landmines bad. Oh wellllll I suppose it could have something to do with the thousands of countless innocent lives they take who are non-combatants. That just might be it. And besides many friendly arms manufacturers who give tons of cash to the politicians probably want to keep it that way.

I just knew that some predictable soul would bring up the US's cozy relations with China. Thanks for not shattering my faith in humanity. It may surprise you to learn that I don't like those chummy relations either. China is a rising threat and should be deal with accordingly. Cuba is not a threat at all, but should be shunned on general principles (I too dislike communism and Casto).

Landmines don't kill thousands of civilians if they're used correctly. Sure, the Soviet Union scattered them around Afghanistan like they were candy, the result of which is the current death toll of c. 300/year in that country alone. I shouldn't need to say this, but just to be sure I'll reiterate that I don't advocate killing civilians by such means. However, tens of thousands of landmines sit in the DMZ between the two Koreas, acting as an effective military deterrent in peacetime, and a confounded nuisance to the DPRK in war. It's examples like that second one that I have in mind when I say they are a valuable tool of war.

Oh and you wish Canada engaged in more wars? Which wars would you have us fight? With what money? Canada IS A SOFT POWER and can't be anything else unless you want to rape the budgets for healthcare, education, the environment and debt relief. Doubt the voters would like that. The best thing Canada did was staying out of Iraq and let's damn well hope Canada will remain as smart as that.

That's exactly what I'd do. We've come up hard against the limitations of universal public healthcare these past few years. Discard it or conduct radical surgery. The budget for debt repayment would be maintained or increased. Budgets for foreign aid, the Dept of Indian Affairs and evironmental funding would be slashed to the bone.

There, with that kind of dough kicking around, we should be able to increase our military spending by 50% and still hand around a lot of tax cuts. No more soft power for us!

Have you noticed the number of people on this thread who have, at best, a vaguely positive idea of what Canada is and who lives there? I'd contend it's because we don't do anything on the world stage. Maybe it's time to get out there and be "citizens of the world," as we always claim to be.

I voted entirelly negative.I hate French-Canadians, which is the only reason I think I hate Canada.If it werent for the French-Canadians I think Canada would be a cool place.
Please explain your reasons. :confused:

Please explain your reasons. :confused:

Don't expect reason, just invective, Sarkasis.

Btw, how's Rimouski?

i'm tired of arguing about americans. i like americans, they're fun to drink with. they just happen to suffer through a flawed electoral system that only gives them fools and maniacs to choose from and a media that would rather propagandize than inform. it's time for a combative, ultimately pointless post where we argue about my own country.
Haha. I like how this thread is about Canadians, so all you talk about is Americans.

I don’t like Canadians. They are too anti-American, too socialistic and too fond of baby seal killing for my tastes.1. we are not anti-america, so stop thinking we are
2. we are not fond of baby seal killing
3. yes i do admit that there are anti-americans and people who like to kill seals, but really what nation does not have those two sterio-types

Did it ever occur to you that that was more than sixty years ago? Do you still hold a grudge against...King George III, as well?

More than sixty and more than eighty years ago, depending on which World War you're talking about.

No, I don't hold a grudge against George III (honestly, what a silly question ;) ). I hold a grudge against those whiny American colonists, who enjoyed some of the best standards of living in the world at the time, yet broke up the greatest empire on earth because they resented paying their taxes. The taxes that had been levied to pay the troops defending the colonies from the French and to pay down the debts incurred in the course of fighting those same French in North America. Ungrateful wretches.

Don't expect reason, just invective, Sarkasis.
Bah, the guy will probably say something like "but they're french, aren't they?"
Or some other misinformed bs.

Btw, how's Rimouski?
Perfect. Except for the fog banks. :rolleyes:

Haha. I like how this thread is about Canadians, so all you talk about is Americans.

...yeah, i guess that's just the way it goes. that's why i added the "never thought about them at all" option. :rolleyes: although i'm pleased so few people used it.

I voted entirely positive (lol the location kinda gives it away!!) my brother is a new american just got his green card. Canadians have faults just like everyone else nobody is perfect. :D

(POSSIBLE INADVERTANT HIJACK) Now I like americans but some of them are so STUPID. take that bow-tie wearing political freak on CNN saying we drive dogsleds and live in igloos!! wish i could slap him in the mouth. always that stupid stereotype!! (/POSSIBLE INADVERTANT HIJACK)

Guess he might be jealous. i dunno.

anyways I tend to ignore the separatists in quebec seeing if they did separate they wouldn't have much of a country seeing most of the province is natively owned. (remember the last referendum on separation? the native population in quebec specifically stated that they would not separate the country)

I voted entirelly negative.I hate French-Canadians, which is the only reason I think I hate Canada.If it werent for the French-Canadians I think Canada would be a cool place.

...visit alberta. you will, unfortunately, find a lot of people out here who agree with that sentiment.

Haha. I like how this thread is about Canadians, so all you talk about is Americans.

Bravo! You hit the nail on the head so hard, it's still dizzy. Canadians define themselves against a half-mythical bogeyman known as "Uncle Sam." If some issue is ever said to be approved of or practiced by this "Uncle Sam" character, all Canadians are duty-bound to oppose it. All the traitors to Canada who sometimes agree with Uncle Sam have formed their own political party. They call it . . . The Conservative Party. Quick, hide your children!

1. we are not anti-america, so stop thinking we are
2. we are not fond of baby seal killing
3. yes i do admit that there are anti-americans and people who like to kill seals, but really what nation does not have those two sterio-types

3. yes i do admit that there are anti-americans and people who like to kill seals, but really what nation does not have those two sterio-types
but really what nation does not have those two sterio-types
two

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Quick, hide your children!

Indeed.

Sarkasis, if you're still around, could you answer this for me?

Could someone from Quebec explain to me this "distinct society" thing?

Why do you want it so badly, and why were you so bitter once the rest of Canada told you to sod off?

In all honesty, I like Canucks. They're easy-going folks who are sensible for the most part, and, contrary to what the liberally-biased media wants you to believe, many of them like the U.S. Well, except for a few people and some nutjob Quebecuois (sp?). But in general, they're good people, and I respect them as much as I hope they respect Americans. Sure, they have a few problems with politics and other things, but what nation doesn't?
But we still have better sports teams. ;)

There is a difference between sadism and attempting to obtain the recourses that drive your way of life. Besides the Canadians are gearing up for arctic drilling, so they can sell it to the Chinese. “Let’s help the tyrants just to spite those bourgeois Americans.”

Man, are YOU misinformed. Typical closed-minded American... nyah.

China isn't a nation of tyrants... you and your anti-communism.

But we still have better sports teams. ;)

You wouldn't if you hadn't stolen half of our hockey franchises, ya bastards :p

i'm tired of arguing about americans. i like americans, they're fun to drink with. they just happen to suffer through a flawed electoral system that only gives them fools and maniacs to choose from and a media that would rather propagandize than inform. it's time for a combative, ultimately pointless post where we argue about my own country.
Oh, and I hate to double post, but I'm soo glad someone besides me thinks this way and realizes the truth. I like Bush and support him 100%, but I still think that there's GOTTA be someone out there better for the job than anyone in politics today, right?

Canadian girls are sexy and friendly and the guys are friendly. I voted mostly positive only because I don't like the use of French (the "weasel" language :)) in Quebec. ;)

I don't recall Canada ever telling Quebec to sod off. My family still lives there and I used to live there, I'd have heard about that one.

Sounds like someone is raking the muck to see if anything squirms.

some more facts from a canadian((im ranting, ignore me if you wish))

1. we do not live in igloo's, we live in normal houses like anyone else
2. it is not always winter here
3. we do not say aboot or any of the other things that people think we do say, i have heard people say eh but whats the problem with that?
4. no, not all cows that we have are mad((aka, mad cow))
5. we do have a military and we use it quite well, plus we do not invade places just to get oil
6. our beer taste a hell of alot better then yours does :D

Canadian girls are sexy and friendly and the guys are friendly. I voted mostly positive only because I don't like the use of French (the "weasel" language :)) in Quebec. ;)


True the language police is a real sticking point with people. I dunno about the canadian women though heh heh heh ;) sexy sure but i dunno about friendly ;) :D

Man, are YOU misinformed. Typical closed-minded American... nyah.

China isn't a nation of tyrants...

A-f*ckin'-men to that!!!

Most of the wars in the last century were waged by Americans than Chinese.

...visit alberta. you will, unfortunately, find a lot of people out here who agree with that sentiment.
That surprises me. But then, I live in Liberal Edmonton.

Heh. They're people. I don't care about them more than I do about the rest of the world.

I don't recall Canada ever telling Quebec to sod off. My family still lives there and I used to live there, I'd have heard about that one.

Sounds like someone is raking the muck to see if anything squirms.

I take it your family has heard of the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords, both of which contained the provision for a distinct society and died a messy death. That's what I meant.

Bravo! You hit the nail on the head so hard, it's still dizzy. Canadians define themselves against a half-mythical bogeyman known as "Uncle Sam." If some issue is ever said to be approved of or practiced by this "Uncle Sam" character, all Canadians are duty-bound to oppose it. All the traitors to Canada who sometimes agree with Uncle Sam have formed their own political party. They call it . . . The Conservative Party. Quick, hide your children!
Please don't generalize.

Sarkasis, if you're still around, could you answer this for me?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramnonia
Could someone from Quebec explain to me this "distinct society" thing?

Why do you want it so badly, and why were you so bitter once the rest of Canada told you to sod off?

No.
This thread would go ballistic. Besides, I've taken part of a discussion on the subject last week. Please find it in this forum, it will give you a few arguments from both sides.

But anyway... we're civilized people. We're a paradoxal country, full of contradictions... but also, full of ideas, creative people, thinkers, efficient researchers, hard-working persons. We make the best food in North America... and the worst, too. We make great beer. We like safety, but we don't need to carry guns or even to lock the door (and no, this is NOT a myth).

But if you feel bitter, you can always *blame Canada*! Because we don't have the bomb, and we don't give a shit.

Man, are YOU misinformed. Typical closed-minded American... nyah.

China isn't a nation of tyrants... you and your anti-communism.

You are correct, on a technicality. China is a nation of ordinary Joes ruled by tyrants. Unfortunately, that doesn't make much of a difference.

I don't recall Canada ever telling Quebec to sod off. My family still lives there and I used to live there, I'd have heard about that one.

Sounds like someone is raking the muck to see if anything squirms.
You're right, it didn't. Most people I associate with are proud to be part of an officially multicultural country.

Man, are YOU misinformed. Typical closed-minded American... nyah.

China isn't a nation of tyrants... you and your anti-communism.

does china still count as communist?

I'm an American.

And I like Canada.

Can't we all just get along? Make love, not war.

:fluffle:

I like Canada. I like the way they talk aboot things. :D

i was born in american and move to canada and have been here for 12 years and i have never heard them say aboot

Please don't generalize.

Two points: one, I was ***kidding***. Two, generalizations are all we can manage here, since people are all different, and we don't have access to top-of-the-line scientific data, as a rule (oops, there I go making more generalizations!).

Generally speaking, Canada is a more liberal nation than the US. Generally speaking, the Conservative Party doesn't do so well in Canadian elections. Generally speaking, men are taller and stronger than women. These statements refer to the law of averages, and take it for granted that there will be exceptions.

Got the picture?

I'm an American.

And I like Canada.

Can't we all just get along? Make love, not war.

:fluffle:trust me, you can never stop what stared :sniper:

That surprises me. But then, I live in Liberal Edmonton.

liberal edmonton? do you mean that 3 block area around whyte avenue? ;)

does china still count as communist?

In name or in theory?

The Party still refuses to change its name (it fears losing power, since that is so addictive), by policy the once-communist party has officially endorsed capitalism (seeing that there are sweat shops, that would be even more capitalistic than any Western country).

So what if there's a lack of "freedoms", people don't live to bitch in the Chinese culture. Besides there are plenty of governments that are autocratic and at the same time capitalistic.

At least the Chinese don't go about minding other peoples' business!

Generally speaking, Canada is a more liberal nation than the US. Generally speaking, the Conservative Party doesn't do so well in Canadian elections. Generally speaking, men are taller and stronger than women. These statements refer to the law of averages, and take it for granted that there will be exceptions.

Got the picture?
The conservative parties have done quite well, especially in the last two decades of the prior century.

The Conservative Party of Canada is only 2 years old. It hasn't had a chance to do well (and is handicapped by Steven Harper, but that's another story).

No.
This thread would go ballistic. Besides, I've taken part of a discussion on the subject last week. Please find it in this forum, it will give you a few arguments from both sides. <snip>

Will do, thanks for the reference.

I'm an American.

Make love, not war.

:fluffle:

What happened to "My country, right or wrong."?

F*ckin' hippies! They're responsible for the corruption of Western culture and values.

liberal edmonton? do you mean that 3 block area around whyte avenue? ;)
That's the one, yes. :)

The conservative parties have done quite well, especially in the last two decades of the prior century.

The Conservative Party of Canada is only 2 years old. It hasn't had a chance to do well (and is handicapped by Steven Harper, but that's another story).

The Conservative Party of Canada can trace its lineage clear back to Confederation. Since that time, Liberals have held office for the clear majority of Canada's existence.

Edit Also, witness the implosion of the PC party in 1993, and Reform/Alliance's ineffective efforts to expand their base eastward.

Well, my dad's Canadian, and a lot of my relatives are canadians.

So I'm required to vote positve. :D

The Conservative Party of Canada can trace its lineage clear back to Confederation. Since that time, Liberals have held office for the clear majority of Canada's existence.
The current Conservative party is a zombie of a zombie. It has nothing in common with its first incarnation.
I would have voted for the Conservatives pre-Reform. But look at them now. Canadians want centrists. They dislike extremists. Especially when social order and external affairs (diplomacy, peacekeepers, multilateralism, anti-nuke) are at stake. That's where Harper fails to convince people.

More than sixty and more than eighty years ago, depending on which World War you're talking about.

No, I don't hold a grudge against George III (honestly, what a silly question ;) ). I hold a grudge against those whiny American colonists, who enjoyed some of the best standards of living in the world at the time, yet broke up the greatest empire on earth because they resented paying their taxes. The taxes that had been levied to pay the troops defending the colonies from the French and to pay down the debts incurred in the course of fighting those same French in North America. Ungrateful wretches.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. --And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

--John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

:D

That's the one, yes. :)

...yeah, i like that neighbourhood. it has progressive values and good resturants. but i grew up in preston mannings riding in calgary, so i'm going to say that whyte is the exception.
:cool:

What happened to "My country, right or wrong."?

F*ckin' hippies! They're responsible for the corruption of Western culture and values.

You're absolutely right! I'll stop my hippie nonsense at once!

:mad: <-- (Grrrrrrrrr)

I hope those bad... um... silly Canadians... um... accidently staple their tounges to walls!

Boo-yah!

As a Canadian living abroad for 10 years I must say I now have a mostly negative opinion of us. We are the most communist nation on earth, and we live in a one party state. Seems Canadians value socialist medicine, and pot more than democracy! Our right wing is a total joke compared to any other country. Our right is everyone elses left!

We tend to view the world as if it is not Canadian than it must be too American. ie; health care, if it is not a communist system it must an American one. No one seems to notice there is a world of options.

We need a good boot to the head.

Canada has a much better grasp of reality.

:D

Too funny. Wait, you're serious, aren't you?

You're absolutely right! I'll stop my hippie nonsense at once!

:mad: <-- (Grrrrrrrrr)

I hope those bad... um... silly Canadians... um... accidently staple their tounges to walls!

Boo-yah!

How the f*ck can you staple your tongue to the wall?

Oh, come off it Ekland. You're not going to actually believe the blatant propaganda of those separatist bastards, are you? ;)

God save King George!

As a Canadian living abroad for 10 years I must say I now have a mostly negative opinion of us. We are the most communist nation on earth, and we live in a one party state. Seems Canadians value socialist medicine, and pot more than democracy! Our right wing is a total joke compared to any other country. Our right is everyone elses left!

We tend to view the world as if it is not Canadian than it must be too American. ie; health care, if it is not a communist system it must an American one. No one seems to notice there is a world of options.

We need a good boot to the head.

It is a patriot's duty to point out his country's ills. Good work!

Are you the only right-wing Canadian here, by any chance? LOL!

How the f*ck can you staple your tongue to the wall?

It can be done.

With a very good stapler.

And a lot of drugs.

You're absolutely right! I'll stop my hippie nonsense at once!

:mad: <-- (Grrrrrrrrr)

I hope those bad... um... silly Canadians... um... accidently staple their tounges to walls!

Boo-yah!

You show those swine! Silly Canucks, haven't learned to use staplers yet (must be because they just legalized the things -- Talking to Americans).

It can be done.

With a very good stapler.

And a lot of drugs.

You must have sh*t for brains or something?

Oh, come off it Ekland. You're not going to actually believe the blatant propaganda of those separatist bastards, are you? ;)

God save King George!

You know... It is a little know fact that the grinning Smilie really was inscribed on the bottom of the The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America. ;)

It is a patriot's duty to point out his country's ills. Good work!

Are you the only right-wing Canadian here, by any chance? LOL!

No, I'm the other right-wing Canadian. Travis22 does not stand alone. :D

No, I'm the other right-wing Canadian. Travis22 does not stand alone. :D

A patriot's crusade, then?

You know... It is a little know fact that the grinning Smilie really was inscribed on the bottom of the The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America. ;)

So you're saying that the Declaration of Independence was actually a gigantic prank the American colonists played on King George, but which sadly backfired because Brits haven't got the best sense of humor? Hot damn -- this could revolutionize (hah, deliberate pun) the historian's craft for decades to come.

A patriot's crusade, then?

Given the inexorable leftward drift of Canada, I'd say it's more like a patriot's cursade. (awful joke, I know :rolleyes: )

You must have sh*t for brains or something?

Yes, yes I do. Sadly, two years ago my brain was rotting from lack of use and they had to perform an emergency operation. There wasn't anyone willing to donate their brain but my Uncle Bob was willing to donate some of his poo.

So I have a giant turd instead of a brain. I'm actually very insecure about it. People always made fun of me in school. Making nasty poop jokes. Calling me buttface...

*Sobs*

We like safety, but we don't need to carry guns or even to lock the door (and no, this is NOT a myth).


Thats why crime is on the rise?

Go to jane and finch in Toronto, one of the many virtual "don't go zones". Get shot by a black person in a drive by in broad daylight.

I fuckin love Canadians. Great country. I once spent two weeks there, it was more fun than the two weeks I spent in London. Sad but true.

So you're saying that the Declaration of Independence was actually a gigantic prank the American colonists played on King George, but which sadly backfired because Brits haven't got the best sense of humor? Hot damn -- this could revolutionize (hah, deliberate pun) the historian's craft for decades to come.

Yes indeed, of course it could have just been a demonstration of our centuries old talent for blatantly pissing off foreign powers. :D But really, who is to say?

Given the inexorable leftward drift of Canada, I'd say it's more like a patriot's cursade. (awful joke, I know :rolleyes: )

I know how ya feel, I'm from Australia's Canada. Looks like there's a chance of us legalizing gay marriage since civil unions have recently been introduced. Our PM is some bull dyke.

Mostly indifferent. The Canuks are Ok in general with me. Except when they go about trash talkingthe US. That socializeed medicine is in great part thanks to their miniscule military. How do they get by with such a small army? Well it's not hard when you are bordered onthe North with an arctic wasteland. On the South by an ally. On the East and West by oceans controlled by your Southern ally's navy. Take a hint your sovereignty is paid for by your bellicose neighbor down south. Ah and while a Moosehead is minutely superior to a Budweiser it's not nearly as good as a US micro like Alagash or just about any Germnan import.....

I fuckin love Canadians. Great country. I once spent two weeks there, it was more fun than the two weeks I spent in London. Sad but true.

Did they give you pot to make it more "fun"?

I'd pick London over Canada any day since Britian is more historical, so that'll suit my tastes.

Canada City']Thats why crime is on the rise?

Go to jane and finch in Toronto, one of the many virtual "don't go zones". Get shot by a black person in a drive by in broad daylight.

Don't forget all the stabbings and shootings in the entertainment district!! happens more often than not and it's either gang or mob related. Because why else would people stay quiet??

Canada City']Thats why crime is on the rise?

Go to jane and finch in Toronto, one of the many virtual "don't go zones". Get shot by a black person in a drive by in broad daylight.

Crime's on the rise globally, so get the f*ck use to it.

(Why do I get an enjoyment of using the 'F' word today?)

Crime's on the rise globally, so get the f*ck use to it.

(Why do I get an enjoyment of using the 'F' word today?)

Use "make love" instead. Adds variety.

:D

Crime's on the rise globally, so get the f*ck use to it.

(Why do I get an enjoyment of using the 'F' word today?)

Such an intelligent response.

Those are exactly the reasons I voted "mostly negative." Canadians are lazy, pontificating, Liberal-voting snobs who are content to preach at everyone else whilst neither contributing any help nor actually following the ideals they pretend to hold dear.

Preaching ideals they don't hold dear....mmm I see...Liberal voting snobs! My god no, you republican pig fucking hick....

See what stereotypes get you *plays you a banjo

Thats why crime is on the rise?

Go to jane and finch in Toronto, one of the many virtual "don't go zones". Get shot by a black person in a drive by in broad daylight.
1) isn't it borderline racism?
2) all big cities suffer from the same problems
3) in Montreal's outer suburbs (Longueuil, Laval, Terrebonne, Boucherville), lots of people actually don't lock their door
4) the murder rate in big canadian cities is low

I don't have anything against Canadians. They seem just like Americans, Australians, and Brits to me; pretty decent people in the large part, got some awesome people, got some terrible people. They're content to sit back and let things happen, but I won't judge 'em for that. So I said mostly positive, because anti-American sentiment aside, I tend to like and get on with Canadians.

I don't like their politics, though, from what I've seen it's pretty amusing/saddening. Canadians themselves though, I've no problem with.

Actually, I think I should have voted neutral. I don't know enough to make a fair decision.

Well it is nice to know I don't stand alone. But it is depressing to see how things are back home these days. I knew the Conservatives were going to sink. I see very little hope for the future of conservative ways in Canada. Alberta is not truly conservative at all, they are populists at heart. I live in Taiwan now and though it is not a paradise by a long shot at least I can freely do business go about my personal life and get health care at decent hours and at a suitable price. Example: My second child was born this year and we had him at a private baby clinic close to my home. My wife could visit the clinic for her check ups after work! They were open on the weekends too. All people are covered by national insurance so all I have to pay is a small fee from my salary and a $5 charge on each visit. Even my aunt (a product of Canadian social medicince) liked the hours and consumer friendly tactics! Of course Taiwan has problems and they are more cultural than free market in nature. Example: all patients want to see the best doctor (has reputatuion) so the lines are crazy and service ends ups crappy. Also in a Chinese society (not suggesting Taiwan is part of China! It is not!) it is not so cool to question a doctor so worries go unanswered. It is still common for people to give doctors envelopes of cash after a successful surgeory or delivery (very illegal, but done all the same). Being a foreigner they don't expect me to play by these rules so I have avoided the above situations and my wife is smart enough to go to a doctor with the time and patience to listen.

Sorry for the rant, but damn I wish Canada would shake it's head a bit.

Did they give you pot to make it more "fun"?

I'd pick London over Canada any day since Britian is more historical, so that'll suit my tastes.

Good call, Sino. However, don't discout Canada entirely. The St. Lawrence valley and several of the Great Lakes basins have some good history and old buidings and artifacts. For example, most of the battlefields from the War of 1812 have been preserved.

Canada City']Such an intelligent response.

I'm angry today.

Good call, Sino. However, don't discout Canada entirely. The St. Lawrence valley and several of the Great Lakes basins have some good history and old buidings and artifacts. For example, most of the battlefields from the War of 1812 have been preserved.

I rather see relics from the Elizabethan era.

Use "make love" instead. Adds variety.

:D

Make love? I'm not married. So I rather make war.

I'm angry today.

I think you need a hug.

Make love? I'm not married. So I rather make war.

So obviously you don't f*ck either. So why use the word at all?

1) isn't it borderline racism?
2) all big cities suffer from the same problems
3) in Montreal's outer suburbs (Longueuil, Laval, Terrebonne, Boucherville), lots of people actually don't lock their door
4) the murder rate in big canadian cities is low

You never been to Toronto, have you?

You know how there is usually a chinese district, hindi district, and so forth in a city? Jane and Finch is the "black community" in Toronto. And it is one of the biggest crime areas in Toronto.

Ask *anyone* in Toronto about it, they'll tell you to avoid it. I only live in the outskirts of Toronto and even I know about it.

Preaching ideals they don't hold dear....mmm I see...Liberal voting snobs! My god no, you republican pig fucking hick....


I concure with the "liberal voting snob" comment.

Our liberal government can piss away education, healthcare, ruin our reputation, and come into our house and rape our dog; we'll still vote 'em back in.

Hell, they stole millions of dollars in the Sponsership scandal and we still let them back in.

Snobs indeed.

I think you need a hug.

Piss off! I'm not gay.

You never been to Toronto, have you?

You know how there is usually a chinese district, hindi district, and so forth in a city? Jane and Finch is the "black community" in Toronto. And it is one of the biggest crime areas in Toronto.

Ask *anyone* in Toronto about it, they'll tell you to avoid it. I only live in the outskirts of Toronto and even I know about it.
No I've never been to Toronto.
I've been to Montreal, Quebec City, Ottawa, Halifax, Fredericton, St Johns. And other smaller cities.
Canada is much more than just Toronto. Right?

Could someone from Quebec explain to me this "distinct society" thing?

Why do you want it so badly, and why were you so bitter once the rest of Canada told you to sod off?

I have to let you know that it is because they are a society of about 10.3 million drowning in a sea of Canadian/American english of about 320 million.
Side note I don't support it though.

So obviously you don't f*ck either. So why use the word at all?

I'm allowed to be grammatically correct by NS standards.

A previous poster hit the nail on the head. We Canadians are a bunch of libreal preachers (I assume they would hate being called any kind of preacher) that don't actually do anything to concretely promote our ways. We don't donate money on a grand scale, we don't have any military influence and we coware before the might of giants such as the CCP.

In fact we have become so liberal we are now moral realtivists and hence accept all manner of insane behavior because all cultures are equal. I here Sharia law will be intriduced in Ontario soon as a result. Even uber liberal Holland is starting to see that moral relativism is perhaps the natural end for extreme liberalism.

No I've never been to Toronto.
I've been to Montreal, Quebec City, Ottawa, Halifax, Fredericton, St Johns. And other smaller cities.
Canada is much more than just Toronto. Right?

Not really :P

Anywho, here is a wikipedia article on Jane and Finch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_and_Finch

Doors unlocked? Pfft, I'm keeping it on. Could use a gun also.

Piss off! I'm not gay.

Did I ever say I had any desire to hug you? Well... maybe if you stapled your tongue to the wall and asked me nicely.

And you really didn't have to tell me you weren't gay. It's obvious you're generally not a cheery and pleasant person.

I here Sharia law will be intriduced in Ontario soon as a result.

*rolls eyes*

And on the door-locking subject...we lock them when we are not at home, and generally leave them unlocked when we are at home until we go to bed. Then we lock up and lights out. We are not afraid of each other, I guess.

Canada City']You never been to Toronto, have you?

You know how there is usually a chinese district, hindi district, and so forth in a city? Jane and Finch is the "black community" in Toronto. And it is one of the biggest crime areas in Toronto.

Ask *anyone* in Toronto about it, they'll tell you to avoid it. I only live in the outskirts of Toronto and even I know about it.

You don't know what you're talking about. Jane and Finch is not the "black community" in Toronto. I wonder if you realize just how many different "black communities" there are in Toronto? And I also find myself wondering what sort of Canadian would refer to the plethora of various Caribbean and African communities found in and around the city with the all-encompassing term "black".

It causes me to speculate that you aren't in fact from Toronto, or its' outskirts. It is possible you may be a Canadian from some other part of the province, or from another province altogether, but it still just doesn't hang together properly. I mean for one thing, everybody knows Little India and Chinatown aren't referred to locally as 'districts' ('Hindi district'? Uh-uh) - I think you're letting your American slip, "Canada City".

Better luck next time trying to make Torontonians look like ignorant racist pigs.

You don't know what you're talking about. Jane and Finch is not the "black community" in Toronto. I wonder if you realize just how many different "black communities" there are in Toronto? And I also find myself wondering what sort of Canadian would refer to the plethora of various Caribbean and African communities found in and around the city with the all-encompassing term "black".

It causes me to speculate that you aren't in fact from Toronto, or its' outskirts. It is possible you may be a Canadian from some other part of the province, or from another province altogether, but it still just doesn't hang together properly. I mean for one thing, everybody knows Little India and Chinatown aren't referred to locally as 'districts' ('Hindi district'? Uh-uh) - I think you're letting your American slip, "Canada City".

Better luck next time trying to make Torontonians look like ignorant racist pigs.

I LOVE THIS.

A freaking liberal who, despite the evidence I showed him, accuses me of not being a Canadian.

This is why I'm starting to loathe this country. Because people like him vote Paul Martin back into office.

I've been to Jane and Finch and I've had no problems at all. most of the people there are quite friendly and are quite irritated about being labeled a gangland neighbourhood. true there are some bad apples that live there and cause trouble but isn't that typical for a city of well over 4 million people??

You don't know what you're talking about. Jane and Finch is not the "black community" in Toronto. I wonder if you realize just how many different "black communities" there are in Toronto? And I also find myself wondering what sort of Canadian would refer to the plethora of various Caribbean and African communities found in and around the city with the all-encompassing term "black".
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Better luck next time trying to make Torontonians look like ignorant racist pigs.

Cut the man some slack, will you? So he didn't take the time to enumerate each of the "various Caribbean and African communities." Big deal, they're all still blacks, which is a lot easier to type.

How exactly is CanadaCity trying to make Torontonians look bad?

Canada City']This is why I'm starting to loathe this country. Because people like him vote Paul Martin back into office.

No, people like me vote people like Jack Layton into office, who then work with people like Paul Martin in order to prevent jackasses like Stevie Harper turning the clock back on the natural social evolution of our society.

You must have me confused with someone else.

Big deal, they're all still blacks

Note to self: don't ever bother with this person...

Cut the man some slack, will you? So he didn't take the time to enumerate each of the "various Caribbean and African communities." Big deal, they're all still blacks, which is a lot easier to type.

How exactly is CanadaCity trying to make Torontonians look bad?

I do admit he was being harsh. But I disagree with you and CanadaCity.

"Jane-Finch corridor is also one of Toronto's most culturally diverse areas, home to people from over 80 different countries."

So, I don't think CanadaCity's generalization was entirely correct. And neither is yours. Although I don't think you meant to do it, you did sound awfully racist by saying "they're all still blacks".

Mostly indifferent. The Canuks are Ok in general with me. Except when they go about trash talkingthe US. That socializeed medicine is in great part thanks to their miniscule military. How do they get by with such a small army? Well it's not hard when you are bordered onthe North with an arctic wasteland. On the South by an ally. On the East and West by oceans controlled by your Southern ally's navy. Take a hint your sovereignty is paid for by your bellicose neighbor down south. Ah and while a Moosehead is minutely superior to a Budweiser it's not nearly as good as a US micro like Alagash or just about any Germnan import.....

We keep your military busy so they have something to do and then won't turn on you!!! As for the beer, you can't compare the pony piss you drink to ours and maybe the German's (correct spelling) can make better beer, but they have had a longer period of time to perfect it, besides it is also better than your micro like Alagash. As for the American bashing, you make it so easy and if it weren't for that (sadly) what would make us Canadian.

Originally Posted by [NS]Canada City
This is why I'm starting to loathe this country. Because people like him vote Paul Martin back into office.
I don't like what you wrote. It looks very racist to me, towards some visible minorities.

And no, people don't always vote for Paul Crook Martin or Stephen PeaBrain Harper. There are other political options.

Another sign of my country following the yellow brick road to the abyss. Posters are freely admitting to voting for socialist wing nuts like Layton so he could blackmail criminals like Martin in order to keep our small c Conservative from even approaching power.

We are a truly miss guided people.

Cut the man some slack, will you? So he didn't take the time to enumerate each of the "various Caribbean and African communities." Big deal, they're all still blacks, which is a lot easier to type.

How exactly is CanadaCity trying to make Torontonians look bad?

Well, if you take into consideration the fact that many of these black communities are distinctive, having in many cases their own languages, or Spanish or French as their primary language, the many different religious makeups, and the occasional rivalries or lack of common ground within this mythical, all-encompassing "black community", it makes for an awfully disjointed and sprawling community.

Jane and Finch? Bullshit. Major bullshit. THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE ALL OVER TORONTO. EVEN IN THE OUTSKIRTS WHERE "Canada City" CLAIMS TO LIVE.

He is trying to make us look bad by lumping together Jamaicans, Bajans, Haitians, Trinidadians, Tobagons, Bermudans, Somalis, Eritreans, Ethiopians, Kenyans, Ghanans, Senegalese, Sudanese, Congolese, and Ugandans into one indistinct monoglot that we have to be afraid of at certain motorway intersections. And I'm putting my foot down on that sort of racist crap.

So there.

I live in Mississauga, and we have plenty of visible minorities.

Guess what buddy? I'm not racist. I am stating facts that a MOSTLY-BLACK COMMUNITY is ONE OF THE HIGHEST CRIME PLACES in TORONTO.

You probably think the Toronto Police are racial profiling also, right? And that only white people can commit hate crimes?

[QUOTE=Sarkasis]I don't like what you wrote. It looks very racist to me, towards some visible minorities.

This is the kind of comment that is going to send our country down the drain. We have to all but destroy our laws and culture and history to appease the incoming immigrant population who we might offend oh noooo, wake up call, a country with no dissernable values and no history is a lost one with the probability of not existing in the near future. We learn from the past embrace it!!!!!

Great people, but the government sucks.

I live in Mississauga, and we have plenty of visible minorities.

Guess what buddy? I'm not racist. I am stating facts that a MOSTLY-BLACK COMMUNITY is ONE OF THE HIGHEST CRIME PLACES in TORONTO.
You're not racist BUT...
Isn't it how most racist sentences start?

You probably think the Toronto Police are racial profiling also, right? And that only white people can commit hate crimes?
I don't care about all that. I have no idea.

Canada City']I live in Mississauga, and we have plenty of visible minorities.

Guess what buddy? I'm not racist. I am stating facts that a MOSTLY-BLACK COMMUNITY is ONE OF THE HIGHEST CRIME PLACES in TORONTO.

You probably think the Toronto Police are racial profiling also, right? And that only white people can commit hate crimes?

Okay, I believe you. I lived a number of years in Mississauga, and it's the first and only place I ever lived where the only time people routinely called me 'buddy' when what they really wanted to do was kick the shit out of me.

So guess what "buddy"? This statement of yours, "I am stating facts that a MOSTLY-BLACK COMMUNITY is ONE OF THE HIGHEST CRIME PLACES in TORONTO." is inherently racist. Can you not see it for yourself? Are you really that unable to see it objectively?

Thanks for serving to remind me some of the reasons I had for leaving Mississauga eighteen years ago. It sounds just as awful now as ever it was back then.

You're not racist BUT...
Isn't it how most racist sentences start?


Please, if you call what I just said racism, than you're a god damn pussy.

This is racism.


Let's kick all those fucking useless niggers who have ten kids and leech off welfare and food stamps. They steal our fucking jobs and pregnant our white women with their ugly children. We should deport them to their countries.

Fuck it all. Why don't we get rid of hispaniacs and indians as well? Those bastards never shower and all they do is drive taxis and one dollar stores. The only thing good about them is they will warn us about terrorist attacks. If all the taxis and dollar stores are closed, something bad is going to happen.


Now that's fucking racist.

Some of you Canadians need to grow a backbone.

Another sign of my country following the yellow brick road to the abyss. Posters are freely admitting to voting for socialist wing nuts like Layton so he could blackmail criminals like Martin in order to keep our small c Conservative from even approaching power.

We are a truly miss guided people.

...i don't see how it's fair to be angry at voters who vote for people you don't agree with for "keeping harper out of power". harper is to blame for harpers misfortune. he ran as the head of a party that combined 2 large-ish parties against a corrupt, scandal-plagued government that the majority of canadians disliked, and he STILL managed to pull fewer votes than the PC's and Alliance together pulled in 2000. he has alienated voters through his words and deeds, not through some socialist conspiracy. his policy proposals are seen as extreme, and canadians are worried that the conservative party is being hijacked by religious extremists (whether you agree that any of this is true, you have to admit canadians are worried about it, and that harper has failed to convinced us otherwise). a more moderate looking conservative party would have a huge majority by now, and to blame their failure on the NDP is just a sad attempt to avoid the real source of the tories' electoral difficulty.

Now that's fucking racist.

Some of you Canadians need to grow a backbone.
So... you're Canadian, or you're not Canadian?

If you don't like the way minorities are immigrants are integrated here, you can always move to another country. But I'd warn you: people will probably be racist with you.

You do know that I wasn't being serious about the racist comment, right?

Canada City']Some of you Canadians need to grow a backbone.

Wait, was I wrong, people? Would a Canadian refer to his own countrymen as 'you Canadians?'

Ho ho.

I will take this opportunity to publicy recant my earlier opinion, that "Canada City" is indeed a resident of the wretched bedroom-community of Toronto, and now state that I will not allow myself to be goaded into responding to an obvious fraud, a phony would-be arch-conservative Canadian. I surmise his involvement in this thread is to foment conflict.

I won't play the game any longer. Canada City, I say you are a liar. And that's all.

You do know that I wasn't being serious about the racist comment, right?
It didn't register as "humor", or even as "sarcasm" to my humor detector.
Call me whatever you want, but I find racist comments very rarely funny.

Wait, was I wrong, people? Would a Canadian refer to his own countrymen as 'you Canadians?'

Ho ho.

I will take this opportunity to publicy recant my earlier opinion, that "Canada City" is indeed a resident of the wretched bedroom-community of Toronto, and now state that I will not allow myself to be goaded into responding to an obvious fraud, a phony would-be arch-conservative Canadian. I surmise his involvement in this thread is to foment conflict.

I won't play the game any longer. Canada City, I say you are a liar. And that's all.

This is some funny shit. I know so much about Canada, even named myself Canada City, yet I'm accused of not being Canadian.

Just because I don't suck off Paul Martin or vote NDP? Do I have to flip the bird to President Bush to be part of the Canadian club?

The Toronto Sun must not be a Canadian tabloid, since they don't agree with Liberals or the NDP.

We are far from perfect. The Liberal party must be the most corrupt, lying bunch of bastages on Earth..they'd call us a banana republic if not for winter prohibiting banana tree growth. The government did, in fact, lose a non confidence vote..and shrugged it off, refusing to leave power. Soviet Republik of Kanada here we come!

Gay marriages? Why not pedophiles next? Kindergarten brainwashing to force acceptance of bestiality? It's disgusting. And people worry about Harry Potter books!!

Beer costs too much, and so does gas. Health care? HA! Fine as long as you don't need dental work, eye exams, glasses, or prescriptions. Really, it's very much overhyped, and our taxes are downright medieval to pay for a failing system.

Come on, Mr. Bush..you help lesser countries throw off their tyrannies..little help, please??

OuterMunronia: I think my general point still stands but I must agree with you that Harper has failed. I have never belived he is capable of winning general election. The clear proof of this is his failure to campaign during the final 48hrs of the last campaign. Martin looked desperate but at least he tried his damndest. Harper was so close to the goal and then hesitated. He has no killer instict. The greatest goal scorer in history Mke Bossy was once asked why he succeeded while others didn't. His answer? Most people fail becasue they want to, winning means responsibility, more expectations and more pressure. Harper is a nice guy but he is no winner.

I don't think the answer for conservatives is to be more liberal (they already are) but to be clear on some differences and to sell a positive message. Mulroney succeeded by telling Canadians they were capable of competing with the world while the socialists wanted to hide. Why Harper insists on bashing the liberals for ever is beyond me. They look bad already, no one will notice if they look worse! Focus energy on a clear message and a positive outlook. Oh, and make several clear stands against some USA policies to make clear we are no ones push over.

To be honest, i cant make an educated decision on this poll.

1) there arnt enough of them
2) they arnt in the lime light as much as Americans are and therefore get less positive as well as negative press.

Gay marriages? Why not pedophiles next?
Your keyboard stinks.

Kindergarten brainwashing to force acceptance of bestiality? It's disgusting.
What goes on in your brain is actually much more disgusting. How did you come up with such a sick image?

And people worry about Harry Potter books!!
Who worries about Harry Potter books IN CANADA?
They're ALL best sellers.

I think Canadiens (Quebecers) would be pretty cool if they did not hate English speaking people so much. I am pretty sure we keep Quebec because abbout half of our major buisnesses have their offices in Quebec. If we lost Quebec, Canada would lose most of its money.

Personally, I think Canada shou ld increase its funding for social programs like foreign aid, evironmental funding (0.7%!), and healthcare(which should cover stuff like optical and dental). The programs do need to be modified; they waste too much money. I like how we're about to allow gay marrige.

As unpopular as people may think this is, I think the Govt should do more to promote bilingualism. French should be taught from the first grade. Canda has laws the require radio to play at least 35% Canadian content. Why not do something similar for TV comercials (on Canadian channels) and Radio Commercials.

Have you noticed the number of people on this thread who have, at best, a vaguely positive idea of what Canada is and who lives there? I'd contend it's because we don't do anything on the world stage. Maybe it's time to get out there and be "citizens of the world," as we always claim to be.

Are you suggesting we go out and ruin our reputation. You said it was positive because we do not do much internationally, then you recommend that we go outand interfere in international situations.

There is some anti-americanism in Canada. I am pretty sure Quebec does not like the US (although they also dislike the rest of Canada). Here, in BC, the US isn't liked that much either. One reason is that the US is quite antidrug, while it is BC's biggest industry. If it was legalized BC, according to the news, would make the HAVE list of Canadian provinces (FYI BC has made HAVE NOT list the last two years, one more year BC would start recieving extra funds. Thank you, Gordon Cambell). The US would hate us if we outlawed machinery, their biggest export. Also people tend to dislike the President more than Americans themselves. On the other hand lots of people here like America alot.

Our right is everyone elses left!

Why is that such a bad thing, the people do not vote for the right as is.

leftward drift of Canada

Us lefties think Canada is on more of a rightward drift. Most because the liberals are privitising everything.

it is not always winter here

Thats right. Were I live it has only snowed twice this year. Snowed twice last year too.

our beer taste a hell of alot better then yours does

Its got more alcohol in it too.

Quick, hide your children!

Hide everyone of and under the age of 20. He's worse than Scott, from South Park, and Scotts a dick.

There were only three pages in this thread when I started writing this...

So... you're Canadian, or you're not Canadian?

If you don't like the way minorities are immigrants are integrated here, you can always move to another country. But I'd warn you: people will probably be racist with you.

[NS]Canada City, I suggest u move to....... hmmm...... Jesusland!!!

http://members.shaw.ca/ianking/junk/usa.jpg

lol :D

As unpopular as people may think this is, I think the Govt should do more to promote bilingualism. French should be taught from the first grade. Canda has laws the require radio to play at least 35% Canadian content. Why not do something similar for TV comercials (on Canadian channels) and Radio Commercials.


I agree with you regarding bilingualism. Second-language studies should be, from an early age onward, mandatory from province to province...even in Quebec. There's no harm in learning national languages (or any language, for that matter) other than your own.

Did I ever say I had any desire to hug you? Well... maybe if you stapled your tongue to the wall and asked me nicely.

And you really didn't have to tell me you weren't gay. It's obvious you're generally not a cheery and pleasant person.

I wouldn't put myself in positions that undermine my mobility of safety, such as stapling one's tongue on a wall. (Where ever that idea came from.)

I would say that I'm an unemotional and cold person most of the time. I do have a sense of humor, but it's mostly political and 'racist'.

...This poll needs a disclaimer that poll results do not reflect reality.

There should be 100% for neutral. I highly doubt you can judge an entire population. Much less when everyone is judging based on different means.

I wouldn't put myself in positions that undermine my mobility of safety, such as stapling one's tongue on a wall. (Where ever that idea came from.)

I would say that I'm an unemotional and cold person most of the time. I do have a sense of humor, but it's mostly political and 'racist'.

Yes. You're absolutely right. I would never dream of you intentionally undermining your "mobility of safety". Therefore you should accidently staple your tongue to a wall. Problem solved.

A sense of humor? You? Who would've thunk? Oh, and no worries. I don't think that you are cold and unemotional. I think you are waaaarm and fuzzy. Like a platypus. :D

I like political jokes, as long they're witty and not obnoxiously biased. And speaking of racism, everyone should listen to Avenue Q's "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist" (http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/avenueq/everyonesalittlebitracist.htm) .

...This poll needs a disclaimer that poll results do not reflect reality.

There should be 100% for neutral. I highly doubt you can judge an entire population. Much less when everyone is judging based on different means.

What about the option "To be honest, I've never given Canadians a moment of thought"? I chose that one. It made me laugh. :p

Neutral.
there is ONE group of canadians that bother, me, but no more than the equivalent american group -

Hard-headed nationalists.
9 times out of ten, these people can never back up thier claims of "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!) or "CANADA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!" with things other than insults and frequent "STFU"'s.

I figure the average canadian isnt too much unlike the average american. Political views that aren't too extreme, reasonable on an individual level, and think that the other talks funny.

I live in Canada and I have this to say:

People here vote Liberal, because the Liberals are now incidentally RIGHT-leaning. Starting in the 1990's, Paul Martin, then Finance Minister, slashed tons and tons of programs in order to get rid of the deficit (Trudeau's REAL legacy). They (60%+) also support his stance that Africa will get only as much aid as we can afford, thank you very much. A vote for the Conservatives is seen as a vote for George Bush's religious-right lapdog, Stephen Harper. All the other parties (NDP, Green, Bloc/Parti Quebecois, etc.) are just too looney.

None can deny that Canadian politics is full of corruption and patronage, but all governments are, to a degree. That is why we never get electoral, health care, or any, reform.

Neutral.
there is ONE group of canadians that bother, me, but no more than the equivalent american group -

Hard-headed nationalists.
9 times out of ten, these people can never back up thier claims of "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!) or "CANADA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!" with things other than insults and frequent "STFU"'s.

I figure the average canadian isnt too much unlike the average american. Political views that aren't too extreme, reasonable on an individual level, and think that the other talks funny.

:mad: STFU! :mad:

I kid... I kid...

hehehehehe...

My reasoning is simple - I figure the average citizen of any given industrialized nation, probably have a lot more in common than they'd like to think they do.
myself included.

I personally beleive extremism is an excuse for not actually having a personality.

People live in Canada?

Canada/Canadians are great, second only to Aus in my opinion (though I am biased). :)

lol ...


As for the landmines comment: I don't get it. I'm with the US government on this one. Landmines are a valid, and valuable, tool of war.

To bad when the war ends there still in the ground for Innocent people to step on.

I voted the same way on this poll as I did on the American opinion poll, and as I will on any other polls of this sort - neutral. I know wonderful people from Canada and I know complete dickheads from Canada. If I was well acquainted with a multitude of people from Qatar, Latvia, or Papua New Guinea, I have no doubt I would feel the same way about them. It's just a silly question.

That being said, I'm vaguely curious about the origin of all the anti-Quebecois sentiment on this thread. Is it just resentment of the separatist movement, or is there some basis beyond that? I spent a couple of weeks in Quebec a few years ago and was actively impressed by how polite and helpful everyone was towards a group of American tourists, of whom I was the only one who spoke a word of French. I just didn't see the snobbery and anti-anglophone bias people keep claiming for them. Am I alone in this?

Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God went missing for six days.
Eventually, Michael the archangel found him, resting on the seventh day.
He inquired of God, "Where have you been?"
God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds,
"Look Michael, look what I've made."
Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said, "What is it?"
"It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put LIFE on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a great place of balance."
"Balance?" inquired Michael, still confused.
God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth, "For example, Northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth while Southern Europe is going to be poor; the Middle East over there will be a hot spot. Over there I've placed a continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people," God continued, pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot and arid while this one will be very cold and covered in ice."
The Archangel, impressed by Gods work, then pointed to a large land mass the top corner and asked, "What's that one?"
"Ah," said God. "That's Canada, the most glorious place on Earth. There's beautiful mountains, lakes, rivers, streams and an exquisite coast-line. The people from Canada are going to be modest, intelligent and humorous and they're going to be found traveling the world. They'll be extremely sociable, hard-working and high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and carriers of peace. I'm also going to give them super-human, undefeatable ice hockey players who will be admired and feared by all who come across them."
Michael gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed. "What about balance, God? You said there will be BALANCE!"
God replied wisely. "Wait until you see the loud-mouth bastards I'm putting next to them."

I lived in Montreal a while back and I simply loved it.
I liked the way of life, I liked the attitude of the people, most of all I enjoyed their humour.

I'd love to return in a few years from now, though I don't have any concrete plans yet.

Like I voted with the americans, Mostly Positive. Canada's a great place and it's got some great people. Problem is they are socialist...

Ah well, that'll change when Canada is assimilated into the North American Technate...

Like I voted with the americans, Mostly Positive. Canada's a great place and it's got some great people. Problem is they are socialist...

At least we're not a *gasp* militaristic plutarchic theocracy. :D

I don’t like Canadians. They are too anti-American, too socialistic and too fond of baby seal killing for my tastes.
Just because Canadians, for the most part, are anti-Bush and anti-Iraq war, doesn't make Canadians anti-American.

I have several American friends and I have had many US vacations, but I am decidely anti-Bush administration, especially on the invasion of Iraq, foreign policy in general, and the environment.

Like I voted with the americans, Mostly Positive. Canada's a great place and it's got some great people. Problem is they are socialist...

Ah well, that'll change when Canada is assimilated into the North American Technate...
Why do people in this thread dislike socialism so much?

Why do people in this thread dislike socialism so much?


No idea. Every state needs a balance between socialism and capitalism, either of them alone won't work. Ever.

As a Canadian living abroad for 10 years I must say I now have a mostly negative opinion of us. We are the most communist nation on earth,
Say what?

and we live in a one party state.
We have many parties, but it appears that the Liberals resonate more with Canadians at this point in time. We did have 9 years of Mulrooney.

Seems Canadians value socialist medicine,
And rightly so.

and pot more than democracy!
Get serious.

Our right wing is a total joke compared to any other country. Our right is everyone elses left!
Like I stated, get serious.

We tend to view the world as if it is not Canadian than it must be too American. ie; health care, if it is not a communist system it must an American one. No one seems to notice there is a world of options.
You should not generalize.

We need a good boot to the head.
Canada is doing just fine thanks. BTW, just how long did you live in Canada?

Never heard anything bad about Canada, and the single Canadian i've knows was nice, so totally positive.

As an afterthought, my great auntie bettie lives there :D

Canada is awesome. While I do not approve of the baby seal killings, I like how they're a bit more realistic with their drug laws and gay marriage laws, and their socialist economy, and just the overall niceness of the people.

Lots of times, I wish I could move to Canada and become a Canadian. :D

Lots of times, I wish I could move to Canada and become a Canadian. :D

If I emigrated from the UK it's the country i'd probably go to.

If I emigrated from the UK it's the country i'd probably go to.

If I left Aus, it'd be to live in Canada. Not sure how I'd cope with the winters thoug.

Does anybody apart from me see the irony of this thread?

The OP stated he was sick of the whole US-bashing business, but if you compare the poll results, there's 69% who voted "Positive" on Canada and just a meager 36% who voted "Positive" for the USA.
If I was living in the United States, I would regard that a considerable slap in the face...

If I left Aus, it'd be to live in Canada. Not sure how I'd cope with the winters thoug.

Then I'd avoid most of the country except the southern coastal areas of BC...unless you can tolerate -50C plus windchill. :eek:

They are great Ayy.

...

sorry i had to say it.

Canada is awesome. While I do not approve of the baby seal killings, I like how they're a bit more realistic with their drug laws and gay marriage laws, and their socialist economy, and just the overall niceness of the people.

Lots of times, I wish I could move to Canada and become a Canadian. :D

Outside of this forum I have never heard of the baby seal situation. If it was anounced on the news I think we would flip out. We should not be doing that. Also the economy is not a socialist as it used to be. We got two-teir (sp?) healthcare, and some hydro-electric dams and railroads are being sold by the government.

Then I'd avoid most of the country except the southern coastal areas of BC...unless you can tolerate -50C plus windchill. :eek:

True. I think even southern BC would still be colder than here.

Might be going to Canada at the end of the year so it'll be summer in Aus winter there. So it will be interesting with the coldness situation.
Vancouver awaits.

Does anybody apart from me see the irony of this thread?

The OP stated he was sick of the whole US-bashing business, but if you compare the poll results, there's 69% who voted "Positive" on Canada and just a meager 36% who voted "Positive" for the USA.
If I was living in the United States, I would regard that a considerable slap in the face...

yup, that is a very good quality irony, i've been enjoying it too :cool:

I think its best if we didn't stereotype people who belong who a particular country. Just because so and so is Canadian doesn't mean they are so and so this and that...

Wait, was I wrong, people? Would a Canadian refer to his own countrymen as 'you Canadians?'
This is not the first time that he/she has referred to "Canadians" in the third party.


Ho ho.

I will take this opportunity to publicy recant my earlier opinion, that "Canada City" is indeed a resident of the wretched bedroom-community of Toronto, and now state that I will not allow myself to be goaded into responding to an obvious fraud, a phony would-be arch-conservative Canadian. I surmise his involvement in this thread is to foment conflict.

I won't play the game any longer. Canada City, I say you are a liar. And that's all.
I too believe that CC is a maybe, pretend, not sure, uncertain, perhaps wannabe Canadian.

IF, and that is a big IF, CC is actually a Canadian, which I doubt, we could always just disown him/her? :)

That being said, I'm vaguely curious about the origin of all the anti-Quebecois sentiment on this thread. Is it just resentment of the separatist movement, or is there some basis beyond that? I spent a couple of weeks in Quebec a few years ago and was actively impressed by how polite and helpful everyone was towards a group of American tourists, of whom I was the only one who spoke a word of French. I just didn't see the snobbery and anti-anglophone bias people keep claiming for them. Am I alone in this?
Not alone, no. I vacationed in Montreal at Christmas, and thoroughly enjoyed it, and I don't speak French at all. I really have no clue where the anti-Quebec sentiment is, nevermind comes from. It must be a localized thing.

This is not the first time that he/she has referred to "Canadians" in the third party.



I too believe that CC is a maybe, pretend, not sure, uncertain, perhaps wannabe Canadian.

IF, and that is a big IF, CC is actually a Canadian, which I doubt, we could always just disown him/her? :)

Instead of debating, you are just going to say "HE IS NOT A CANADIAN"

Man, liberals and socialists are hitting a new low.

Canada City']Instead of debating, you are just going to say "HE IS NOT A CANADIAN"

Man, liberals and socialists are hitting a new low.

Actually I've followed your posts fairly closely as well. I would have to agree, I don't believe you're a Canadian at all. It's just the way you speak of Canada as though you've never actually been there. I mean you're welcome to your opinion of Canada. But just by the things you say, you seem to have very little actual knowledge about Canada. So, I have my doubts also.

I suppose maybe I'm wrong and it's just a case of you being very young and that's why you know so little about Canada. But no, I don't think you're Canadian.

I'm bush like. Canada is not that great of a state you know. That is why I have decided to sell it. That way our economy will go up. We need it to go up right? Not to mention those damn "candans" flicked me off when I went to see them. Thats not nice, thats not morally correct. I have gotten word that mexico is interested in buying canada. So is this good man by the name of "castrol gtx". So soon canada will be sold.

Actually I've followed your posts fairly closely as well. I would have to agree, I don't believe you're a Canadian at all.

*snips for brevity*



Actually Steph, one of the first tip-offs for me was the name the poster used - ironically presented in this post as proof positive of his innate Canuck-edness.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9197909&postcount=152

"Canada City". Sigh. Okay, time to come a little clean with all of you. Last night, 'Borgs and I discussed this at some length. We both agreed that the reference, "Canada City" stems from the name given to the mythical Canadian urban landscape in the American animated series, "South Park".

Further, we agreed that this reference would tend to support our supposition that the poster of the same name is most likely not in fact Canadian, but a dedicated viewer, and keen observer of the minutiae of, the "South Park" television series.

Of course, we could be, or could have been, completely wrong about the poster-in-question. But it doesn't seem altogether likely. Canadians know that certain among us love any and all pop-cultural references that pertain to Canada, but here's the hitch:

While it certainly isn't beyond all believable bounds that a Canadian would make reference to an American satire, it does stretch credibility somewhat. Why would that be, Dobbs? Well, there is an overall tendency amongst Canadians to be somewhat defensive regarding our national/international image... and "Canada City", as depicted in "South Park" is a definite slagging, albeit a light-hearted slagging, of our comparatively diminuitive size (i.e. Canada is large enough to support only one major urban centre), which as a conceit, plays perfectly into the widespread ignorance regarding Canada that we as Canadians have come to expect from our southernly neighbours.

This is not to say that Canada, or Canadians, are so easily offended that no Canadian would consider using the monniker "Canada City". It just makes it less likely. As a Canadian, using that name would imply the sort of self-deprecatory sense of humour commonly-held to be prevalent among Canadians, however, as the term "Canada City" has its' origins with American satirists and not Canadians, it is not held generally to be self-deprecatory - it is perceived as an expression of external observational satire.

Again, this does not preclude the possibility that "Canada City", the poster, is in fact a Canadian - it just makes it less likely.

But coupled with the sensibility that a mono-culture, a "black community" (rather than a multitude of "black" cultures from as many foreign countries)exists at one given intersection in the city of Toronto (rather than throughout the city, as is the actual case), that local citizens are terrified of black men living and/or working in that area, and that daylight drive-by shootings pepretrated by black men are a common everyday occurence in the city of Toronto, for me makes it extraordinarily unlikely that the poster-in-question is in fact a Torontonian, or even a suburbanite living in Mississauga, on the 'outskirts' of the city of Toronto.

Even a cloistered, white suburbanite would know better than to casually lump so many ethnicities into one amorphous grouping. The only reason that I can think of as to why the poster-in-question would do such a thing is that, wherever "Canada City" in fact hails from, it is a commonly-held belief that "blacks" share the same culture. Wherever might that be the case? I look, naturally enough, to the United States, where due to common past experience, a "black culture" of a more uniform nature exists.

My contention is that the poster, acting upon some limited knowledge and/or experience of the geography of the city, while using the limited cultural vocabulary and outlook of an essentially bi-cultural society, has been attempting to foster the idea that Canadians, and Torontonians in particular, are inherently racist and bigoted.

And that's all I have, folks. When it comes down to brass tacks, it's just a gut feeling, but as a longtime resident of the city of Toronto, I wanted to make abundantly clear that the claims of the oft-aforementioned poster are in no way representative of the clear majority of Torontonians, or for that matter, Canadians.

Thanks for taking the time to read this - sorry to flog a dead horse this way. I just felt it worthwhile to clearly explain my rationale for my earlier assertions.

Have a sunny day.

I don’t like Canadians. They are too anti-American, too socialistic and too fond of baby seal killing for my tastes.
Stupid world. You may all think that it's cruel to kill baby seals but us Canadians just don't give a phoque (French for seal).

Stupid world. You may all think that it's cruel to kill baby seals but us Canadians just don't give a phoque (French for seal).
LOL
WTF - Ouate de phoque!!!



"Hey Canadian dude, do you want to dance?"
"Yeah, let's go clubbing!"

*snip*
Wow. This is so weird. I've thought the same thing about Canada City...I hadn't realised anyone else suspected this? Interesting...will we ever know? TIME FOR A CANADIAN QUIZ!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/1708/canquiz.html)

Are we counting French Canadians as Canadians? Because that brings down the score for all Canadians, you know.

Are we counting French Canadians as Canadians? Because that brings down the score for all Canadians, you know.
Depends on what score you're talking about.

Are we counting French Canadians as Canadians? Because that brings down the score for all Canadians, you know.
:mad:

Are we counting French Canadians as Canadians? Because that brings down the score for all Canadians, you know.

I don't know. Are we counting White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Americans on the "How Do You View Americans?" thread? 'Cause... nahhh, you know? This ian't worth the aggro.

Tit for tat. Leave it at that.

Canada City']Instead of debating, you are just going to say "HE IS NOT A CANADIAN"

Man, liberals and socialists are hitting a new low.
You seem to be doing a poor imitation of a Canadian and the first thing I noticed was your spelling of the word "harbor" in a previous thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9172233&postcount=70).

And this comment (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9177505&postcount=97) kinda sealed my verdict:

"You canadians don't even know your own country."

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it is surely not a Canadian eh?

Oh and you wish Canada engaged in more wars? Which wars would you have us fight? With what money? Canada IS A SOFT POWER and can't be anything else unless you want to rape the budgets for healthcare, education, the environment and debt relief. Doubt the voters would like that. The best thing Canada did was staying out of Iraq and let's damn well hope Canada will remain as smart as that.
Woot!

Wow. This is so weird. I've thought the same thing about Canada City...I hadn't realised anyone else suspected this? Interesting...will we ever know? TIME FOR A CANADIAN QUIZ!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/1708/canquiz.html)
Yeah, I never thought that Canada City was actually canadian.

I have a radar for these things.

Wow. This is so weird. I've thought the same thing about Canada City...I hadn't realised anyone else suspected this? Interesting...will we ever know? TIME FOR A CANADIAN QUIZ!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/1708/canquiz.html)
I got 6/8 although I'm Canadian. I think it's because I'm from Quebec.

I got 6/8 although I'm Canadian. I think it's because I'm from Quebec.

might be Rosh..I just did it and scored 8/8 (not bragging aboot it!! lol ;) ) A nice little javascript pop-up asked if i cheated and told me i rock!! 6/8 is a good score nothing to be ashamed about!! Just remember to wear your toque and say 'eh' the odd time!! lol :D

Wow. This is so weird. I've thought the same thing about Canada City...I hadn't realised anyone else suspected this? Interesting...will we ever know? TIME FOR A CANADIAN QUIZ!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/1708/canquiz.html)
I think I done good. :)

I scored 8 out of 8.

I like the question it asks at the end when I hit check your score:

"Are you sure you didn't cheat? You ROCK! :D

yeah heaven it's pretty funny even cool! lol :D ;)

Just remember to wear your toque and say 'eh' the odd time!! lol
Yeahhh
Quebec and the ROC (Rest of Canada) can go along well.
We just write "tuque" instead of "toque".
We say "C'est, genre," instead of "It's, like," at the beginning of teenage-style sentences.
And we say "eh" too, but it sounds more like "euh".
:D

lol sark i bet you can also say "gag me with a spoon!! ewww grodie!" as well but i'm thinking something gets lost in the translation!! lol ;) :D

lol sark i bet you can also say "gag me with a spoon!! ewww grodie!" as well but i'm thinking something gets lost in the translation!! lol
With a Canadian toque, everything's possible.

I always knew it as a 'touque'. But then again, I grew up in Quebec...

I always knew it as a 'touque'. But then again, I grew up in Quebec...

You can spell it both ways touque is the french spelling of it and toque is the english spelling..but the word and definition is still the same despite the language.

a toque is a touque is a toque eh!!!! (not toke lol that's something a little different!! ;) :D)

You can spell it both ways touque is the french spelling of it and toque is the english spelling..but the word and definition is still the same despite the language.

a toque is a touque is a toque eh!!!! (not toke lol that's something a little different!!
I do agree with all that guys!! And I'd agree even more in a Sleeman party.

(By the way it's "tuque" really, but that's OK.)

I do agree with all that guys!! And I'd agree even more in a Sleeman party.

(By the way it's "tuque" really, but that's OK.)

sark you're right it is tuque!!

"Quick definitions (tuque)
(n.) A kind of warm cap winter wear, made from a knit bag with closed tapered ends by pushing one end within the other, thus making a conical cap of double thickness.

(This definition is from the 1913 Webster's Dictionary and may be outdated.)"
who knew???

Which Sleeman? I'm a Nut Brown Honey Lager Type o' guy :D ;)