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Its a simple question really. Is it your personal opinion that some criminals are incapable of rehabilitation in the prison system? Such shining examples are the man that was apprehended in California for the suspected rape of over 30,000 young boys. Now bear in mind that this particular individual has been arrested and released numerous times. Other persons I could point out would be Charles Manson, and several cerial killers. I know most people here dont agree with the death penalty but but I dont know how many of you agree with the life sentence for certain heinous crimes. Most European countries dont think its right to hold people for all of their lives but this seems very silly to me. And another thing, is the present state of prisons in the United States designed to rehabilitate criminals, or to merely hold them so that they cannot harm the populace?

I believe some criminals cant be rehabilitated, but no one is born evil either - Its all to do with early life experience, they have the biggest effect, more than rehabilitation ever can.

I think that those who turn to crime because of circumstances can be rehabilitated. Thus, petty crimes, drug dealing, drug addiction, robbery, etc. can all be rehabilitated in many people with therapy, job training, and a support network to keep them out of that lifestyle when their jail time is done.

Sexual crimes start getting hazy. There may be some who can be rehabilitated with therapy. However, there are many who have diseases that cannot really be "cured" as it were. These people probably need some sort of supervision, and possibly some sort of medication, for the rest of their lives.

Multiple murders, rapes, etc. - I'm not sure we should even try. In order to do these things, the people must be so far outside of society that bringing them back (if they were ever here) very well might be impossible.

I believe some criminals cant be rehabilitated, but no one is born evil either - Its all to do with early life experience, they have the biggest effect, more than rehabilitation ever can.

Some would argue that we all are born evil (original sin) and that only through religion can we save ourselves. But thats besides the point, are you suggesting that some behaviors cannot be "unlearned"? So that most people will stay the way they are? I.E. fat people will eat, druggies will shoot up, and rapists will rape?

I don't have enough information to form an opinion.

I believe that there are plenty of criminals that can't be rehabilitated, but we haven't figured out how to tell those from ones that can.

I believe it is possible to a point, I think some people can become twisted beond recognition though

I believe that even the most despicable criminals can be rehabilitated. I do not believe that current systems can ever accomplish this, nor am I sure how long it might take.

Some would argue that we all are born evil (original sin) and that only through religion can we save ourselves. But thats besides the point, are you suggesting that some behaviors cannot be "unlearned"? So that most people will stay the way they are? I.E. fat people will eat, druggies will shoot up, and rapists will rape?

In some cases yes. Anyway, who saved themselves through religion? The crusader sure as hell didnt and they were a prime example of good old religious people :D

I believe it is possible to a point, I think some people can become twisted beond recognition though

We can give those ones lobotomies :D

In some cases yes. Anyway, who saved themselves through religion? The crusader sure as hell didnt and they were a prime example of good old religious people :D

And Hitler was a prime example of a German (Austrian if you want to get technical) just as Stalin and Mao were prime examples of the teachings of Marx. Get off your soap box. Whether you like it or not religion has done alot of good in the world. but just like anything else it is a double edged sword, for every person who turns their life around by finding God some one will blow themselves up for their twisted ideals.

I think no one is born evit, and well, I think everyone has the possability of getting rehabilitated, though some might be too deep into the criminality that they never get away with it.

Comparing a crusader as an example of a fine religious person is not the same as comparing Hitler to a fine example of a German person. Crusaders were following their ideals which they believed were promoted by their belief system. "German" is not a belief system like a religion, it is a nationality. The two are completely different and British Socialism made a valid point.

But thats besides the point, are you suggesting that some behaviors cannot be "unlearned"? So that most people will stay the way they are? I.E. fat people will eat, druggies will shoot up, and rapists will rape?

That's it precisely. Sure, with a sufficient amount of willpower, motivation and plain old effort, those behaviors could be unlearned. But people generally continue to behave the way they've been behaving. Look at prison recidivism rates. 60% or more of people in jail have been there before.

We can give those ones lobotomies :D

LOL :D

In some cases yes. Anyway, who saved themselves through religion? The crusader sure as hell didnt and they were a prime example of good old religious people. :D

They were mostly mercenaries, actually, not religious people.
Religion has turned around the lives of many. One instance in particular comes to mind. A man in Atlanta is arrested on charges related to locking a women in his closet for three days and repeatedly raping her. At the courthouse, he overpowers the guard who is escorting him, takes her gun shoots her, goes into the courtroom, shoots the judge and then shoots another officer as he makes his escape. Days later, he find himself taking a women hostage in her apartment. This women is a single mother who witnessed her own husband being stabbed to death years before. Over the course of her imprisonment, she reads the Bible and “The purpose Driven Life” to this man. Eventually, the man turns himself in. Saying that the women helped him find God again (or something to that effect).

To me, this says that no one is beyond redemption when God gets involved. However, there are many who can not be changed without God.

All that story taught me is that gun holsters in courtrooms should have at least two locking mechanisms on them.

And Hitler was a prime example of a German (Austrian if you want to get technical) just as Stalin and Mao were prime examples of the teachings of Marx. Get off your soap box. Whether you like it or not religion has done alot of good in the world. but just like anything else it is a double edged sword, for every person who turns their life around by finding God some one will blow themselves up for their twisted ideals.

If I liked commies or nazis I could sympathise with your argument, but criticising more of my hates isnt going to convince me to accept religion as useful.

To me, this says that no one is beyond redemption when God gets involved. However, there are many who can not be changed without God.

Glad to see normal people can have their lives changed and not just nuts :rolleyes:

If I liked commies or nazis I could sympathise with your argument, but criticising more of my hates isnt going to convince me to accept religion as useful.

Why is it that when the topic of religion comes up, inevitably some anti-religious zealot brings up the Crusades?

1) In the thousands of years of human history (which is pracically synonymous with the history of religion), is that the only example you could think of? What about the millions who have derived solace, comfort or fortitude from their religious beliefs?

2) The Crusades had a legitimate military purpose: ejecting the Saracen invaders from the lands of Israel. If your mental picture of the Crusades is like something out of Kingdom of Heaven, I suggest you hit the books before you reply to this.

P.S. Nice to see you again, British Socialism :)

Comparing a crusader as an example of a fine religious person is not the same as comparing Hitler to a fine example of a German person. Crusaders were following their ideals which they believed were promoted by their belief system. "German" is not a belief system like a religion, it is a nationality. The two are completely different and British Socialism made a valid point.

Hitler was anitreligious so therefore can he represent all those that hate religion due to his antireligious ideals?

Rehabilitation can work, sometimes.

Why is it that when the topic of religion comes up, inevitably some anti-religious zealot brings up the Crusades?

1) In the thousands of years of human history (which is pracically synonymous with the history of religion), is that the only example you could think of? What about the millions who have derived solace, comfort or fortitude from their religious beliefs?

2) The Crusades had a legitimate military purpose: ejecting the Saracen invaders from the lands of Israel. If your mental picture of the Crusades is like something out of Kingdom of Heaven, I suggest you hit the books before you reply to this.

I've never seen Kingdom of Heaven. Religion has also prevented medicinal progress due to religious control over science, it has caused the terrorism of modern day, it has started wars, it caused the Spanish Inquistion. The crusades were just a quick example for an off topic comment that I didnt really intend to have argued against so strongly. It was off topic at first, I gave an offhand reply.


Just got your edit - Are you the one whose head exploded last time? I think it was you :p

Hitler was anitreligious so therefore can he represent all those that hate religion due to his antireligious ideals?

Rehabilitation can work, sometimes.

Hitler wasnt really anti-religious, he just didnt like Jews and didnt want religion getting in the way of the volksgemeinschaft (the community the Nazis tried to achieve). But no, he cant represent all those that hate religion anyway as he believed other things somewhat more extreme. Famous atheists such as Marx have equally (almost) extreme and unpopular views.

I've never seen Kingdom of Heaven. Religion has also prevented medicinal progress due to religious control over science, it has caused the terrorism of modern day, it has started wars, it caused the Spanish Inquistion. The crusades were just a quick example for an off topic comment that I didnt really intend to have argued against so strongly. It was off topic at first, I gave an offhand reply.


The inquisition (Spanish) was what funded Columbus' journy which encountered the Americas.

You know what also started wars-Ideals of anything. The ideal of freedom example is American Revolution, equality example is French/Russian Revolution, ideal of Capitalism example is the conquest of Hawaii.

Religion also help teach people how to read, write, tended for people during the bubonic plague, help medical advancements, helped scientific advancements (Galileo was supported by the Catholic Church, he was just arrested for telling them they were wrong). The converted natives of MezoAmerica were treated better too and other things.

Well anyone can be rehabilitated with sufficient technology and brainwashing. The question comes if this is economically feasible. After all if we brainwash every criminal the brainwashing industry would become half of our economy(or at least very big because brainwashing can take a lot of resources). Is wasting our money on warping minds to serve our purpose a worthy goal?

Hitler wasnt really anti-religious, he just didnt like Jews and didnt want religion getting in the way of the volksgemeinschaft (the community the Nazis tried to achieve). But no, he cant represent all those that hate religion anyway as he believed other things somewhat more extreme. Famous atheists such as Marx have equally (almost) extreme and unpopular views.

He also put leaders of all religions in Concentration camps, because he really didnt like religion.

So an extremist can not represent a group?, because Pope Urban II seemed like an extremest, same with most of the crusaders, which were started when Muslims invaded Constantinople.

No one is beyond rehabilitation. It doesnt matter how evil you've been, you can always turn your life around. There are countless examples of evil people who turned their lives around. David "son of sam" Berkowitz converted to Christianity while in prison and now helps other inmates turn their lives around. He also ministers to young people through his books, tapes, etc. In an attempt to help prevent them from going down the path he went. Jeffrey Dahmer also accepted Christ while in prison, and may have been able to contribute in a positive way to society if he had not been killed not long after. The world is full of examples of people who turned their lives around. The problem is that you have to want to change, and many prisoners dont.

I am against life sentences without the possibility of parole because I do not see the logic behind destroying the judicial system by eliminating integral components such as parole and the ability of judges to give out the sentence they see fit. The system was designed with many checks and balances in place that have since been destroyed and I am against the further erosion of the system. Mandatory sentencing laws and sentences without the possibility of parole have totally ruined the system by removing the human element in favor of one size fits all automatic sentences. I am not against life sentences. There are people who need to be in prison for the rest of their lives. But I am against any sentence that denies the possibility of parole.

Rehabilitation should be attempted first time around instead of jail term/death sentence/community service.

Well I'll tell you one thing, holy guy. Shootin' 'em full of poison is probably just as expensive. And locking 'em up ain't cheap either. If we're gonna kill those perps, we gotta get a cheaper way o' doing it. My vote's fer dumping 'em into the ocean. Then again, that'll get the hippies yellin' about pollutin' and such. Aw shucks...

He also put leaders of all religions in Concentration camps, because he really didnt like religion.


He put some of the leaders of the Lutheran church in for anti-Nazi activity. He never messed with Catholid leaders or leaders who had done nothing.

Well I'll tell you one thing, holy guy. Shootin' 'em full of poison is probably just as expensive. And locking 'em up ain't cheap either. If we're gonna kill those perps, we gotta get a cheaper way o' doing it. My vote's fer dumping 'em into the ocean. Then again, that'll get the hippies yellin' about pollutin' and such. Aw shucks...

Simple solution to kill,
Stangulation
rat poisining
fire
CO/CO2
Drowning in pool
Sleep Deprivation
For long term you could just not clean up after them

The inquisition (Spanish) was what funded Columbus' journy which encountered the Americas.

I hardly think it evens things out - That would have happened sometime.


Religion also help teach people how to read, write, tended for people during the bubonic plague, help medical advancements, helped scientific advancements (Galileo was supported by the Catholic Church, he was just arrested for telling them they were wrong). The converted natives of MezoAmerica were treated better too and other things.

Not many people could read before state welfare came into it, tending for bubonic plague victims didnt do much, when did they help medical advancements? Galileo could not make progress if things were against the church, just like all scientific restrictions by religion, and natives should have been treated well anyway, religion was part of the reason for hatred.

I hardly think it evens things out - That would have happened sometime.



Not many people could read before state welfare came into it, tending for bubonic plague victims didnt do much, when did they help medical advancements? Galileo could not make progress if things were against the church, just like all scientific restrictions by religion, and natives should have been treated well anyway, religion was part of the reason for hatred.

wrong thread. This one is about rehabilitation and life sentences.

I've never seen Kingdom of Heaven. Religion has also prevented medicinal progress due to religious control over science, it has caused the terrorism of modern day, it has started wars, it caused the Spanish Inquistion. The crusades were just a quick example for an off topic comment that I didnt really intend to have argued against so strongly. It was off topic at first, I gave an offhand reply.


Just got your edit - Are you the one whose head exploded last time? I think it was you :p

Yes, that was my head. I've had experimental reconstructive surgery to put me back together again.

Here's my quick offhand counters to your offhand comments.

Religion isn't always anti-science you know. During the Dark Ages, monastaries preserved ancient texts and as much of the learning of Ancient Rome as they could. There's a book I've been meaning to track down called "How the Irish Saved Civilization" talking about how we only have many ancient writings because Irish monks transcribed them. I dug up the amazon page here (http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385418493/702-5337835-9159209). Oh, and it occurred to me that the Catholic Church had much, much less influence in Europe during the 19th century when compared to earlier times. Yet look at medicine: had it advanced at all in the 500 years before the Industrial Revolution? If the influence of the Popes (and other religious leaders) had been weakening in the century or so before industrialization, shouldn't we have seen progress in that field?

Religious causes have started wars, it is true. However, the West hasn't experienced any purely religious wars since the Thirty Years War drew to a close, which proves that people don't need religion -- they'll seize on any excuse to kill one another.

The Spanish Inquisition has been highly overrated. They killed a few hundred people, which is hardly a drop in the bucket compared to the oceans of blood being spilled at the time. Most suspects repented their heresies and were forgiven; only a small minority were executed. See my earlier comment about people using religion as an excuse. If they weren't attacking another religion, they'd have been attacking a different skin color.

It's just lazy of you to say that religion causes terrorism. Of the many religions in the world today, only the followers of one are perpetrating large scale terrorist acts. Of the billion followers of that religion, only a minute percentage are actually killing others in the name of Allah. The rest of us are all living in peace with our neighbors.

I hardly think it evens things out - That would have happened sometime.



Not many people could read before state welfare came into it, tending for bubonic plague victims didnt do much, when did they help medical advancements? Galileo could not make progress if things were against the church, just like all scientific restrictions by religion, and natives should have been treated well anyway, religion was part of the reason for hatred.

1) When would it happen? The state would have been too poor and capitalism didnt come out until 300 years later

2) Not many, but some still

3) Then why was he under house arrest, or discoverd to first four of Jupiters moons, or find out the moon and earth were made of the same/similar stuff

Religion led to the Renaissance. How you may ask? First the Catholics got made and helped their Byzantinian friends. All good, until the Muslims returned :eek:. Catholics struck again, but failed. I believe after the Kings Crusade they allowed some trade, which is where the scholars got the Greek books, and since some were able to read (due to the Catholic church) they began the Crusades which led to the other E ages.

1) When would it happen? The state would have been too poor and capitalism didnt come out until 300 years later

2) Not many, but some still

3) Then why was he under house arrest, or discoverd to first four of Jupiters moons, or find out the moon and earth were made of the same/similar stuff

Religion led to the Renaissance. How you may ask? First the Catholics got made and helped their Byzantinian friends. All good, until the Muslims returned :eek:. Catholics struck again, but failed. I believe after the Kings Crusade they allowed some trade, which is where the scholars got the Greek books, and since some were able to read (due to the Catholic church) they began the Crusades which led to the other E ages.


Wrong thread, this one is about rehabilitation and life sentences.

Wrong thread, this one is about rehabilitation and life sentences.

Hands up, this is a hijacking! Pilot, to Cuba! :p

Such shining examples are the man that was apprehended in California for the suspected rape of over 30,000 young boys.
He would've been busy.
How old was he? If he was, say 60, then he'd have to rape 500 kids a year (even as a toddler)...that's 1.369 boys a day.
Geez, how did he earn money for food?

Well, I say that reform is too expensive. Forced labor for all! Including the jaywalkers! :D

Hmmm. Now for my thoughts on the subject of rehab/other thing.

Murder of 2nd Degree-Rehab, maybe give them some meds if it resulted out of anger
Murder of 1st-Rehab for several years, if they show no progress maybe life
Murder of 3rd-How could there be a murder of 3rd degree?, 1st intentional, 2nd accidental, 3rd? Well similar to second I guess?
Manslaughter-Well if intentional see #2 else see #1
Rape-Rehab, I think it is too harsh the system for it already
Theft-Returned of object, given money equal to the amount they stole, and then rehab/prison time for more then 1st time offenders, especially for teenagers
Drug possession-Jail time
Terrorism-Death
um I think that is all you could be put in jail for.

Well, I say that reform is too expensive. Forced labor for all! Including the jaywalkers! :D

What is jay walking?

Oh and I forgot arsony
Arsony-see theft, #1 or #2 if neccasary.

Here's my take on Jibea's list (yeah, I'm big on Law&Order)


Murder of 1st - death penalty
Murder of 2nd Degree - death or life imprisonment
Murder of 3rd - I have no idea what this is
Manslaughter - 15 years to life
Rape - smash one of the rapist's testicles with a mallet. We'll see if he ever tries something like that again.
Theft - restitution, if it's a big theft then jail time and forced labor. If it's a violent robbery or using a weapon, then jail for sure, 5 years minimum.
Drug possession - Jail time, except for marijuana and hash. Legalize them
Terrorism - Death
Vandalism - I hate vandals, and they should be publicly flogged then made to undo all the damage they have done.

What is jay walking?

Oh and I forgot arsony
Arsony-see theft, #1 or #2 if neccasary.

Jaywalking is crossing the street at a point where you are not supposed to. Normally you cross the street at intersections and in big cities you wait for the crossing symbol. Jaywalking is disregarding the rules for crossing the street.

I agree with some...

Murder of 1st - Life Imprisonment (Not Death as it doesnt really punish and its hypocrisy)
Murder of 2nd Degree - Depends on circumstance - 5 Years to life
Murder of 3rd - I have no idea what this is
Manslaughter - Depends on circumstance - Acquittal to 15 Years
Rape - smash one of the rapist's testicles with a mallet - Nice idea.
Theft - restitution, if it's a big theft then jail time and forced labor. If it's a violent robbery or using a weapon, then jail for sure, 5 years minimum.
Drug possession - Jail time for dealers, rehab for addicts, jail for repeat addicts. Legalise marijuana and hash
Terrorism - Depends on circumstance, not death by any means
Vandalism - Forced to repay damage, if they are chavs they should be publicly tortured within an inch of their life. When they beg for death, they should have their fingers and toes cut off, then a part of their body til they die. I...er...dont like chavs :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and they should wear bright pink and yellow polkadot dresses while it happens...dont bother with the orange suits, do something really humiliating.

I agree with some...

Murder of 1st - Life Imprisonment (Not Death as it doesnt really punish and its hypocrisy)
Murder of 2nd Degree - Depends on circumstance - 5 Years to life
Murder of 3rd - I have no idea what this is
Manslaughter - Depends on circumstance - Acquittal to 15 Years
Rape - smash one of the rapist's testicles with a mallet - Nice idea.
Theft - restitution, if it's a big theft then jail time and forced labor. If it's a violent robbery or using a weapon, then jail for sure, 5 years minimum.
Drug possession - Jail time for dealers, rehab for addicts, jail for repeat addicts. Legalise marijuana and hash
Terrorism - Depends on circumstance, not death by any means
Vandalism - Forced to repay damage, if they are chavs they should be publicly tortured within an inch of their life. When they beg for death, they should have their fingers and toes cut off, then a part of their body til they die. I...er...dont like chavs :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and they should wear bright pink and yellow polkadot dresses while it happens...dont bother with the orange suits, do something really humiliating.

What are chavs?

Criminals are not all of the same caliber or mental stability

What are chavs?

Are you American? I'm not sure you would know what I meanif so, I dont think you really have them.

They are basically violent stupid anti-social morons who wear sports gear, hoodies and caps, with the hood on top of the cap :headbang:

They like burberry and nickelson loads. And crap cars with crap music blaring out. And they speak like slackjaws.

I agree with some...

Murder of 1st - Life Imprisonment (Not Death as it doesnt really punish and its hypocrisy)
Terrorism - Depends on circumstance, not death by any means
Vandalism - Forced to repay damage, if they are chavs they should be publicly tortured within an inch of their life. When they beg for death, they should have their fingers and toes cut off, then a part of their body til they die. I...er...dont like chavs :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and they should wear bright pink and yellow polkadot dresses while it happens...dont bother with the orange suits, do something really humiliating.

I like the polkadot dress idea. Humiliation works wonders for rehabilitation criminals.

Two Questions: why not Death for terrorists, and what the deuce are chavs?

Here's why I advocate the death penalty. There are people out there who are barely members of the human race. Scum so despicable, whose acts are so heinous that I want to rid the planet of their noxious presence. My grandparents lived just blocks away from Paul Bernardo, a multiple rapist/murderer. Bernardo, Jeffrey Dahmer and their ilk have no place on this planet. It'd be best for all if we killed them and let everyone forget the shame we must feel at being of the same species as them.

I like the polkadot dress idea. Humiliation works wonders for rehabilitation criminals.

Two Questions: why not Death for terrorists, and what the deuce are chavs?

Here's why I advocate the death penalty. There are people out there who are barely members of the human race. Scum so despicable, whose acts are so heinous that I want to rid the planet of their noxious presence. My grandparents lived just blocks away from Paul Bernardo, a multiple rapist/murderer. Bernardo, Jeffrey Dahmer and their ilk have no place on this planet. It'd be best for all if we killed them and let everyone forget that they even existed.

Not death for terrorists because killing for what you believe in is not really something that is evil as such, they believe it in religion. I think they are mad, but I also dont think you can kill for difference in opinion. Check my post earlier for chavs.

I figure the really bad people should be imprisoned literally for life. This means they suffer til their last day. They will probably commit suicide, which, though it sounds sadistic, is good as it means they suffered to the point that they had nothing left to hold on for. I was glad when Shipman killed himself.

Are you American? I'm not sure you would know what I meanif so, I dont think you really have them.

They are basically violent stupid anti-social morons who wear sports gear, hoodies and caps, with the hood on top of the cap :headbang:

They like burberry and nickelson loads. And crap cars with crap music blaring out. And they speak like slackjaws.

I see that someone else asked the question before I did, and I also see that I'm nowhere nearer to understanding what the hell a chav is.

Burberry and nickelson loads = ?

Speaking like slackjaws, hmm? So I take it they talk like Yanks ;)

Not death for terrorists because killing for what you believe in is not really something that is evil as such, they believe it in religion. I think they are mad, but I also dont think you can kill for difference in opinion. Check my post earlier for chavs.

I figure the really bad people should be imprisoned literally for life. This means they suffer til their last day. They will probably commit suicide, which, though it sounds sadistic, is good as it means they suffered to the point that they had nothing left to hold on for. I was glad when Shipman killed himself.

Anyone who has to resort to mass murder of innocent people to make a political point or to spread his religion doesn't belong on earth either. Kill 'em, and let the Almighty judge whether they were right or wrong.

I see that someone else asked the question before I did, and I also see that I'm nowhere nearer to understanding what the hell a chav is.

Burberry and nickelson loads = ?

Speaking like slackjaws, hmm? So I take it they talk like Yanks ;)

Hold up, I'll find something for you. Burberry is a pattern and nickelson is a brand btw, clothes. www.chavscum.co.uk

I dont know if chav scum will explain or just exemplify, but it might help. They dont talk like yanks, they talk like brainless fools...english brainless fools, not yanks :D

Anyone who has to resort to mass murder of innocent people to make a political point or to spread his religion doesn't belong on earth either. Kill 'em, and let the Almighty judge whether they were right or wrong.

Well who is the almighty? If it is Allah, we're pretty f****d!

Hold up, I'll find something for you. Burberry is a pattern and nickelson is a brand btw, clothes. www.chavscum.co.uk

I dont know if chav scum will explain or just exemplify, but it might help. They dont talk like yanks, they talk like brainless fools...english brainless fools, not yanks :D

Many thanks for the link :D These chavs are obviously some kind of moronic subhuman species. The ball cap in burberry pattern was priceless, as was this quote: "In reality what they do look like are a bunch of fucking pikeys!" First thing I thought of was Turkish talking in Snatch. Funny how, on both sides of the pond, they think they're the last word in coolness, but we all know that the youth of 20 years from now will be looking back on them with scorn and pity -- heck, many of us already do!

Sadly, brainless, anti-social lowlifes are not unique to the British Isles. I see flocks of the bastards every time I go to the mall, and all I can think of is calling in the exterminator. :mp5:

Well who is the almighty? If it is Allah, we're pretty f****d!

Yup, we will be.

Many thanks for the link :D These chavs are obviously some kind of moronic subhuman species. The ball cap in burberry pattern was priceless, as was this quote: "In reality what they do look like are a bunch of fucking pikeys!" First thing I thought of was Turkish talking in Snatch. Funny how, on both sides of the pond, they think they're the last word in coolness, but we all know that the youth of 20 years from now will be looking back on them with scorn and pity -- heck, many of us already do!

Now that hit the nail on the head so well it will be dizzy for a month! Spoken like an expert!

Sadly, brainless, anti-social lowlifes are not unique to the British Isles. I see flocks of the bastards every time I go to the mall, and all I can think of is calling in the exterminator. :mp5:

Yeah, well I think ours have just merged and formed a style - One that everyone else has finally identified and has united nationwide to hate. Theyve been around for years, but they had so many names. Chav somehow caught on.

Yes.

For example, G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North. :eek:

Martha Stewart also comes to mind, but I'm not sure. Perhaps ECT would work.

Now that hit the nail on the head so well it will be dizzy for a month! Spoken like an expert!


Yeah, well I think ours have just merged and formed a style - One that everyone else has finally identified and has united nationwide to hate. Theyve been around for years, but they had so many names. Chav somehow caught on.

Why thank you. Thank you very much :cool:

I'm off to make dinner now, but it's been fun talking to you once again, British Socialism. Take 'er easy.

Why thank you. Thank you very much :cool:

I'm off to make dinner now, but it's been fun talking to you once again, British Socialism. Take 'er easy.

Yes, likewise. I'm off to bed...seems strange talking to someone out of time with myself.

Its a simple question really.

Yes. It is simple. There will be those who are incorrigible, those who will be highly prone to recidivism, those who truly are incapable of rehabilitation. But I'm hardly about to let that steer my thinking towards tacit acceptance of a criminal justice system so distorted as to emphasize societal retribution over rehabilitation.

I'm also thinking that a large percentage of the incorrigible prison population may have issues pertaining to mental health. I have no figures to back up this thought - I'm really only typing my thoughts, here.

I see that someone else asked the question before I did, and I also see that I'm nowhere nearer to understanding what the hell a chav is.

Burberry and nickelson loads = ?

Speaking like slackjaws, hmm? So I take it they talk like Yanks ;)

Wannabe gangstas.

Its a simple question really. Is it your personal opinion that some criminals are incapable of rehabilitation in the prison system? Such shining examples are the man that was apprehended in California for the suspected rape of over 30,000 young boys. Now bear in mind that this particular individual has been arrested and released numerous times. Other persons I could point out would be Charles Manson, and several cerial killers. I know most people here dont agree with the death penalty but but I dont know how many of you agree with the life sentence for certain heinous crimes. Most European countries dont think its right to hold people for all of their lives but this seems very silly to me. And another thing, is the present state of prisons in the United States designed to rehabilitate criminals, or to merely hold them so that they cannot harm the populace?
Some people are predisposed to certain crimes, particularly sex offenders, but I personally think that anyone can be rehabilitated if the correct methods are used.

Yes, I really believe some people are beyond hope. They are called serial rapists, serial child molesters, and serial killers.

The liberal side of me thinks they ought to be rehabilitated.
The conservative side of me wants to slap the liberal side of me around until it faces reality.

I used to think you should let people do their time and let them go, but for certain crimes -- murder, rape, molesting kids -- I honestly think these bastards should never see sunlight that isn't filtered through bars again.

Wannabe gangstas.


Darn you, Kat!

Now I have to listen to Wheatus.

*grumbles**

*goes over to CD player, changes CD, listens to Wannabe Gangster (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/wheatus/wannabe-gangster.html)*

Are some criminals incapable of rehabilitation?

Yes. Those are the ones on the group W bench. (That would be the bench marked "W").

Yes. Those are the ones on the group W bench. (That would be the bench marked "W").

Aaarrrggghhh! :headbang:

My ex-wife has my Arlo Guthrie CD at the moment!!! Clicky (http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml).

I really hate you people.

I'll stop now before I get in trouble. :eek: :D

Yes, I really believe some people are beyond hope. They are called serial rapists, serial child molesters, and serial killers.


not at all. look at David Berkowitz (the son of sam). He went from being one of the most feared serial killers to a devout Christian with a passion for helping others avoid falling into evils he fell into.

not at all. look at David Berkowitz (the son of sam). He went from being one of the most feared serial killers to a devout Christian with a passion for helping others avoid falling into evils he fell into.

It amazes me how many people become devout Christians after they're locked up. That sort of thing wouldn't happen to, you know, look good to parole boards or people trying to get them released?

Cynical? You bet.