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I hate these bumper stickers that say "He's not MY president".
I am a republican, though I've never voted for a republican governor in my state (always voted for Democrats because of the lottery and education).

George W Bush is MY President. If you are a US Citizen he is YOUR president too. And while I didn't vote for Bill Clinton when he ran against G.H.W. Bush, he won the election despite my vote. That made him MY president.

I was too young to vote for Jimmy Carter when he ran for office but I didn't want him to win.

But he did. And he was MY president because he did. I supported Bill Clinton when he was the leader of my country even though I didn't vote for him. Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

I have never seen my country as divided as it is today - and I am not complaining about that. I understand it and such debate is healthy in a free country.

You people that didn't want G.W. Bush to be president - my condolences to you all. He won the election and all I can offer to you is - in three years, it is a given that he won't be the president anymore.

Disagree with him. Voice your objections to his policies. Even call him a moron if you want.

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.

He's not my president

You beat me to it.

He's not my president

I guess it doesn't apply if you're from another country! ;)

He's not my president

Wisea$$

I hate these bumper stickers that say "He's not MY president".
I am a republican, though I've never voted for a republican governor in my state (always voted for Democrats because of the lottery and education).

George W Bush is MY President. If you are a US Citizen he is YOUR president too. And whole I didn't vote for Bill Clinton when he ran against G.H.W. Bush, he won the election despite my vote. That made him MY president.

I was too young to vote for Jimmy Carter when he ran for office but I didn't want him to win.

But he did. And he was MY president because he did. I supported Bill Clinton when he was the leader of my country even though I didn't vote for him. Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

I have never seen my country as divided as it is today - and I am not complaining about that. I understand it and such debate is healthy in a free country.

You people that didn't want G.W. Bush to be president - my condolences to you all. He won the election and all I can offer to you is - in three years, it is a given that he won't be the president anymore.

Disagree with him. Voice your objections to his policies. Even call him a moron if you want.

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.
He isn't. I didn't vote for him.

Well, I'd say he isn''t my President because (last I checked) I didn't own him. Now, if someone were to allow me (perhaps) the right to brand him, give him a "cute" name, and then put him out to stud, I would yell from the rooftops that he is my president, and that I can be seen about product licensing costs at my office.

Very well said, Nerion. Bush isn't that bad of a President, he may not be the best, but he's certainly not the worst. So why exactly are liberals making such a fuss about this President? He's doing better than Clinton did, given the circumstances. If it weren't for certain factors, such as the economic recession that he inherited upon entering office or 9/11, liberals would have nothing to throw back at Bush.

I support my President.

Just checking in to say he's not my president, either. I don't believe in presidents. And anyway, I'm a Godless fill-in-the-blank-here from the land of igloos. But you knew that.

He isn't. I didn't vote for him.

You and I have very different principles. I do not agree with you, but that's my business I guess. I just hate hearing people say it because to ME it sounds very (yeah, I know liberals/dems hate this term) Unpatriotic. But that's my feeling.

So said.

Well he's NOT MY PRESIDENT, I have my own moron to worry about.

Just checking in to say he's not my president, either. I don't believe in presidents. And anyway, I'm a Godless fill-in-the-blank-here from the land of igloos. But you knew that.

LOL!!! - Yeah but I can forgive my Canadian debate buddy/part time conscience as he speaks the truth!!

he's not my president

He isn't. I didn't vote for him.

Oh, I'm sorry, do we suddenly not live in a democracy?
Because the last time I was paying attention, a decision by one is a change for all. Just as a decision by all is a change for one.
Saying it doesn't change it--GWB is your President, too.
Look in a political science book if you don't believe me. ;)

Well if people from the US say he isn't their president then they can move to Canada and take Michael Moore with you. :D *sarcasm* :D

Oh, I'm sorry, do we suddenly not live in a democracy?

Not suddenly. America has always been a republic.

You and I have very different principles. I do not agree with you, but that's my business I guess. I just hate hearing people say it because to ME it sounds very (yeah, I know liberals/dems hate this term) Unpatriotic. But that's my feeling.

So said.
It's not unpatriotic. I am unpatriotic, but my opposition to the current president is based on what are, IMO, very American views and values.

Oh, I'm sorry, do we suddenly not live in a democracy?
Because the last time I was paying attention, a decision by one is a change for all. Just as a decision by all is a change for one.
Saying it doesn't change it--GWB is your President, too.
Look in a political science book if you don't believe me. ;)
You are mistaken. Anyone under 18 years of age is, by law, unable to vote. IF I had been allowed to vote, I would have voted for Kerry, not because I liked him, but because he was Bush's primary opposition and I considered him the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, that wouldn't have helped at all, because my state is so damn Republican.

The shrub is not my President.

If you haven't checked, we have the right to think and say that.

What is interesting is the fact I don't remember people saying that for Ronnie, Poppy Bush, and Clinton.

Not suddenly. America has always been a republic.

Thanks for pointing that out. I just wish more people would realize that.

It's not unpatriotic. I am unpatriotic, but my opposition to the current president is based on what are, IMO, very American views and values.

I have to respect you there. I disagree with you - but I have to respect what you said.

I still think the notion is unpatriotic (My opinion) even though the responsibility does lie with each individual.

The shrub is not my President.

If you haven't checked, we have the right to think and say that.

What is interesting is the fact I don't remember people saying that for Ronnie, Poppy Bush, and Clinton.

It seems to be a new trend.

The shrub is not my President.

If you haven't checked, we have the right to think and say that.

What is interesting is the fact I don't remember people saying that for Ronnie, Poppy Bush, and Clinton.

Also, you are correct - we have the right to say it. It just bothers me when I do hear people say it, regardless of what the reality may be.

Umm, excuse me for interrupting this very important topic, but what IS the difference between a repulic and a democracy?

I have to respect you there. I disagree with you - but I have to respect what you said.

I still think the notion is unpatriotic (My opinion) even though the responsibility does lie with each individual.
You think that I had a responsibility to my country to vote for Bush?
I think I have a responsibility to myself to do what I think is right, and if I had been able to vote, I would have voted against him.

Umm, excuse me for interrupting this very important topic, but what IS the difference between a repulic and a democracy?
What are you, in 2nd grade?
Democracy (http://www.google.com/search?biw=1024&hl=en&q=define%3Ademocracy&btnG=Google+Search)
versus
Republic (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&biw=1024&q=define%3Arepublic&btnG=Search)

You think that I had a responsibility to my country to vote for Bush?
I think I have a responsibility to myself to do what I think is right, and if I had been able to vote, I would have voted against him.


Hehe - no. I hope you think I'm smarter than that.

I meant that the decision to consider the majority elected president YOUR leader lies with each person - as you demonstrated by saying that you do not consider him yours.

Umm, excuse me for interrupting this very important topic, but what IS the difference between a repulic and a democracy?

In a republic you elect representatives to do your thinking for you, in a democracy you don't.

In his first term, he lost the popular vote and I did not recognise his authority and only referred to him as Mr. Bush. His second term, he clearly won, and I now am willing to call him President Bush.

He's not my President, but he is the United States's President. If he came to my house, I'd shake his hand and put out some chips or something. In his first term, though, I'd have chased him off my property.

In his first term, he lost the popular vote and I did not recognise his authority and only referred to him as Mr. Bush. His second term, he clearly won, and I now am willing to call him President Bush.

He's not my President, but he is the United States's President. If he came to my house, I'd shake his hand and put out some chips or something. In his first term, though, I'd have chased him off my property.

He lost the popular vote but he won the electoral college vote. Such is one caveat of a republic.

He lost the popular vote but he won the electoral college vote. Such is one caveat of a republic.

Not all republics, just America.

He lost the popular vote but he won the electoral college vote. Such is one caveat of a republic.

Shrug ... I believe the EC to be archaic and in desperate need of reform. Until that's done, I will only recognise the popular vote when it comes to Federal elections.

In a republic you elect representatives to do your thinking for you, in a democracy you don't.

Right, but Canada isn't a republic, what is it?

Hehe - no. I hope you think I'm smarter than that.

I meant that the decision to consider the majority elected president YOUR leader lies with each person - as you demonstrated by saying that you do not consider him yours.
I believe that majority of the citizens in this country, or really, all this world are idiots. He only won by a 2% margin, and he cheated to get some of that 2%. Why should I recognize him as my leader?

You are mistaken. Anyone under 18 years of age is, by law, unable to vote. IF I had been allowed to vote, I would have voted for Kerry, not because I liked him, but because he was Bush's primary opposition and I considered him the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, that wouldn't have helped at all, because my state is so damn Republican.

Judging by the amount of flaming you do, i'd say you hate everyone.

You would have voted Nader; you hate everyone.

Shrug ... I believe the EC to be archaic and in desperate need of reform. Until that's done, I will only recognise the popular vote when it comes to Federal elections.

Were you calling for reforms to the EC before the 2000 election?

I believe that majority of the citizens in this country, or really, all this world are idiots. He only won by a 2% margin, and he cheated to get some of that 2%. Why should I recognize him as my leader?

Because he is, and you have no choice.

Were you calling for reforms to the EC before the 2000 election?

Yes, of course.

And is deserving of respect only as such. He is certainly not my personal President, I only accept him as being favored in the electoral college.

QUOTE=New Courds]Oh, I'm sorry, do we suddenly not live in a democracy?
Because the last time I was paying attention, a decision by one is a change for all. Just as a decision by all is a change for one.
Saying it doesn't change it--GWB is your President, too.
Look in a political science book if you don't believe me. ;)[/QUOTE]

no, bush is not my president.

because, bush is only aiming to represent the 50.1% of america that voted for him.

for the rest of the country, bush doesn't care.

Because he is, and you have no choice.
He isn't my president, and I have the freedom of speech to say so. I do have a choice.

Right, but Canada isn't a republic, what is it?

You guys aren't going to help me out are you..

Judging by the amount of flaming you do, i'd say you hate everyone.

You would have voted Nader; you hate everyone.
Hey, it's only light flaming, okay, and I make sure that people know I'm j/k. Yes, I do hate everyone, but I also love them and believe every human being is beautiful in some way.

Who the hell do you think you are? Don't tell me who I would vote for! You don't know me! I wouldn't have voted for Nader in the last election, but maybe I would in the election before that.

Why is it conservatives are in charge of deciding what is patriotic and what isn't?

Right, but Canada isn't a republic, what is it?

I guess I don't know a lot about Canadian government, but I thought that they were a republic.

Why is it conservatives are in charge of deciding what is patriotic and what isn't?
Because they said so. :p

I believe that majority of the citizens in this country, or really, all this world are idiots. He only won by a 2% margin, and he cheated to get some of that 2%. Why should I recognize him as my leader?

Wait a minute - now you are saying that some people are too stupid to make the right decision and their votes shouldn't count? The voting process was fair by all accounts. The people that voted had their voices heard.

I assume you say he cheated because churches enouraged their parishoners to vote. The separation of church and state. Well that goes both ways.

The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King didn't just encourage people to go vote for civil rights advocating politicians when he was outside the church. A lot of sweeping liberal reforms got their start at the pulpit too. I don't think the church and state separation rule applies here, because every person gets a vote - no matter who encourages them to use it. The law only states that campaigning is illegal within a certain limit around polling sites.

There is NO specific law that says politics cannot be discussed by the clergy while in church and any such law would be (in my opinion) unconstitutional.

In the end, the people have the vote - the votes come from each individual. We all have the right to speak our minds and try to influence others - it's up to each person to make up his own mind - even if YOU think most of us are too stupid to do so.

Technically he really isn't my president because I'm not a citizen yet!

Wait a minute - now you are saying that some people are too stupid to make the right decision and their votes shouldn't count? The voting process was fair by all accounts. The people that voted had their voices heard.

I assume you say he cheated because churches enouraged their parishoners to vote. The separation of church and state. Well that goes both ways.

The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King didn't just encourage people to go vote for civil rights advocating politicians when he was outside the church. A lot of sweeping liberal reforms got their start at the pulpit too. I don't think the church and state separation rule applies here, because every person gets a vote - no matter who encourages them to use it. The law only states that campaigning is illegal within a certain limit around polling sites.

There is NO specific law that says politics cannot be discussed by the clergy while in church and any such law would be (in my opinion) unconstitutional.

In the end, the people have the vote - the votes come from each individual. We all have the right to speak our minds and try to influence others - it's up to each person to make up his own mind - even if YOU think most of us are too stupid to do so.
I didn't say that! My word, I got you stirred up quite a bit, didn't I? Sure, every vote is valid in the current system we have. I just don't agree with the slight majority, okay? Take a chill pill.

Wait a minute - now you are saying that some people are too stupid to make the right decision and their votes shouldn't count?

I don't know if he was saying that, but I am. I say you should have to pass some sort of test in order to be able to vote, because I know plenty of people that only voted for Bush because they thought Kerry was ugly.

-Everyknowledge-: He's your president as much as Clinton was my president. No matter how much you abhor the president, unless you leave the country....he's still our president.

I didn't say that! My word, I got you stirred up quite a bit, didn't I? Sure, every vote is valid in the current system we have. I just don't agree with the slight majority, okay? Take a chill pill.


Okay. You misread one of my posts, I misread one of yours.

{Offers olive branch}

-Everyknowledge-: He's your president as much as Clinton was my president. No matter how much you abhor the president, unless you leave the country....he's still our president.


My thoughts exactly. If John Kerry had won, he'd be MY president.

I guess I don't know a lot about Canadian government, but I thought that they were a republic.

I thought and still think Canada is titled by democracy..

I know that we have the Queen as our head of state... MAN this is confusing. I mean we DO elect representatives, we don't have a population of 100

-Everyknowledge-: He's your president as much as Clinton was my president. No matter how much you abhor the president, unless you leave the country....he's still our president.
I don't have to consider him my president because you think I should.

BTW: I didn't like Clinton, either.

Hey, it's only light flaming, okay, and I make sure that people know I'm j/k. Yes, I do hate everyone, but I also love them and believe every human being is beautiful in some way.

Who the hell do you think you are? Don't tell me who I would vote for! You don't know me! I wouldn't have voted for Nader in the last election, but maybe I would in the election before that.

hey, calm down. It's a joke. See there was this thread a few days ago, with a link to a video called something like "A beginners guide to the real world" (possibly a beginners guide to internet forums, I forget). Aaaaaaanywho, one of the jokes was about people discussing politics. The guy who voted for Nader said "I voted for Nader; I hate everybody." See, like funny haha :)

I don't know if he was saying that, but I am. I say you should have to pass some sort of test in order to be able to vote, because I know plenty of people that only voted for Bush because they thought Kerry was ugly.


LMAO!!!! Well, our current system says everyone of legal age and citizenship status gets a vote. We can disagree with how some people arrive at their decisions and agreed, it might not seem fair in your context, but it is our system until somebody changes it.

And I don't think those people who vote based on looks (not to mention a lot of other folks that feel everyone should have a voice) would lend their support such a requirement to cast a ballot. But I agree with you - it is frustrating. :D

He isn't my president, and I have the freedom of speech to say so. I do have a choice.

No, you don't, not until the next election. He's your president, because you (presumably) are American, and he is the President of America. You don't have to like it, or him, but there it is.

I thought and still think Canada is titled by democracy..

I know that we have the Queen as our head of state... MAN this is confusing. I mean we DO elect representatives, we don't have a population of 100

A representative democracy is a republic.

I don't have to consider him my president because you think I should.

BTW: I didn't like Clinton, either.



1. You don't have to consider him your president, but he still is :D
2. *gasp* We have something in common :eek:

I don't have to consider him my president because you think I should.

BTW: I didn't like Clinton, either.

You can say what you like. And in your defense, someone you didn't want to be your president is making decisions that affect you. So looking at it that way, you didn't endorse him to speak for you, so you don't feel he should.

But like it or not, he DOES represent all of us. We may disagree with him, but he is the elected representative.

Anyone upset about that (you are excused from this because you couldn't vote yet) did what they could if they voted, or should have gotten off their A$$ and voted if they didn't.

What it comes down to is the terminology. We're essentially debating semantics when you get right down to it. Technically they (he's not my president) are just words and people have the right to say them. I'm just saying I don't like hearing those words, so I voiced my opinion.

You voiced your objection and there we are. Our opinions are different, but they are our opinions.

1. You don't have to consider him your president, but he still is :D
2. *gasp* We have something in common :eek:
What, did you assume I was a democrat?

What, did you assume I was a democrat?

Where did THAT come from?

No, you don't, not until the next election. He's your president, because you (presumably) are American, and he is the President of America. You don't have to like it, or him, but there it is.
Maybe in a dictatorship that would be true. America isn't supposed to be a dictatorship. Even if you feel my statement is false, I still have the right to make it.

Maybe in a dictatorship that would be true. America isn't supposed to be a dictatorship. Even if you feel my statement is false, I still have the right to make it.

Sorry, yes, you're right, I wrote that wrong. You do have freedom of speech,

I still stand by the point that Bush is you're president whatever crap you choose to spout.

What, did you assume I was a democrat?


Yes >.>

Yes >.>
Well, you're wrong. I hate politicians, so I back none of them.

Oh, I'm sorry, do we suddenly not live in a democracy?

Republic, actually :D

Well, you're wrong. I hate politicians, so I back none of them.

Dude - and I mean this with all sincerity - I hope you run for office someday. (And no, I don't mean it as a "you need to learn something" remark. I mean the only way you are going to be able to make changes if you hate all politicians is if you become one and champion your point of view as a political platform).

Dude - and I mean this with all sincerity - I hope you run for office someday. (And no, I don't mean it as a "you need to learn something" remark. I mean the only way you are going to be able to make changes if you hate all politicians is if you become one and champion your point of view as a political platform).
I will run for office. Presidential office... OF THE WORLD! MWA-HA-HA! :D

I will run for office. Presidential office... OF THE WORLD! MWA-HA-HA! :D

I wouldn't want to be president of the US for a lot of reasons that are irrelevant. But there is ONE reason why I would.

I'd like to be able to deliberately fart in a large conference room during an odd quiet spell with about 80-100 of the most powerful civilian and military people in the country there that are too afraid to say something about it.

And no, not during a press conference :D

Not suddenly. America has always been a republic.

It's actually a Democratic Republic. Technically, a republic is a form of a democracy. It goes Direct Democracy, Representative Democracy, and Democratic Republic. They're all forms of democracy. Nice try, though. Maybe you should think before you write, to save yourself from sounding like an idiot.

It's actually a Democratic Republic. Technically, a republic is a form of a democracy. It goes Direct Democracy, Representative Democracy, and Democratic Republic. They're all forms of democracy. Nice try, though. Maybe you should think before you write, to save yourself from sounding like an idiot.

The way I see it, in a republic the people elect the leaders, but they don't actually do any governing. So, IMHO, a republic is not a democracy. But by the standard definition you're probably right. Sorry about that.

I hate these bumper stickers that say "He's not MY president".
I am a republican, though I've never voted for a republican governor in my state (always voted for Democrats because of the lottery and education).

George W Bush is MY President. If you are a US Citizen he is YOUR president too. And while I didn't vote for Bill Clinton when he ran against G.H.W. Bush, he won the election despite my vote. That made him MY president.

I was too young to vote for Jimmy Carter when he ran for office but I didn't want him to win.

But he did. And he was MY president because he did. I supported Bill Clinton when he was the leader of my country even though I didn't vote for him. Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

I have never seen my country as divided as it is today - and I am not complaining about that. I understand it and such debate is healthy in a free country.

You people that didn't want G.W. Bush to be president - my condolences to you all. He won the election and all I can offer to you is - in three years, it is a given that he won't be the president anymore.

Disagree with him. Voice your objections to his policies. Even call him a moron if you want.

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.

Bush didn't win the first election, and he wouldn't have won the second election if it weren't for the first election.

So no, he's not my president.

The way I see it, in a republic the people elect the leaders, but they don't actually do any governing. So, IMHO, a republic is not a democracy. But by the standard definition you're probably right. Sorry about that.


No he isn't probably right - he is dead on. I can say a representative democracy is a republic, but if you are looking at definitions hierarchically, the term democracy defined is actually the superset of all the republic types. It also includes a Direct Democracy, which is not a republic.

Anyone here want to schedule a plebiscite?

Because if you say no, then Bush IS your president! Hehe.

Bush didn't win the first election, and he wouldn't have won the second election if it weren't for the first election.

So no, he's not my president.

Well, he lost the popular vote. He won the electoral vote even if YOU think he didn't.

And while you don't consider him your president, some of his decisions affect you. That sucks if he isn't your president. Technically, you are representing yourself as a sovereign entity because you do not recognize the elected executive of the nation you reside in. It must suck for another sovereign entity to be able to exert even a small amount of control that might restrict the freedoms of your own sovereign entity (i.e. you).

That being said, you are choosing to be a vassal state living at the suffrage of an executive you don't even recognize because you choose to locate your sovereign entity in the nation that he is currently empowered by people whose choice you disagree with (who outnumber you statistically speaking possibly as a result of the lack of enough of your political constituents to lend their endorsement to the opposing cadidate in adequate numbers rather than necessarily being a "true" majority) to issue certain mandates (subject to the approval of the legislative branch - which his party currently controls) that you are are largely powerless (for 3 years anyway) to counter outside of a vocal issue of discontent.

Yeah, that must SUCK!!

I didn't word that very well. I should have said he shouldn't be my president.

I didn't word that very well. I should have said he shouldn't be my president.

Hehe - you guys send me off on all these tangents with your wording. So you are saying he IS your president, but you feel he shouldn't be - now that makes more sense!!

Very well said, Nerion. Bush isn't that bad of a President, he may not be the best, but he's certainly not the worst. So why exactly are liberals making such a fuss about this President? He's doing better than Clinton did, given the circumstances. If it weren't for certain factors, such as the economic recession that he inherited upon entering office or 9/11, liberals would have nothing to throw back at Bush.

I support my President.

I don't object very strongly to anything the thread starter said because at least he acknowledged that Carter and Clinton were also his presidents and that he supported Clinton as much as he expects us to support Bush. Problem is, most conservatives didn't support Clinton. At least the majority of criticizms of Bush are about his incompotence and his idealogism.

Criticizms of Clinton were vicious, unrelenting, and based on little more than the right wing echo chamber. Most conservatives, at least the vociferous ones, were not the slightest bit supportive of Clinton. And most liberals tend to be supportive of the ideas more than the man, so when a marine got in trouble for complaining about Clinton's infidelity liberals (at least those I know) criticized that lack of free speech in the military rather than the idiocy of attacking a president for his sex life based on nothing more than his party affiliation.

Very well said, Nerion. Bush isn't that bad of a President, he may not be the best, but he's certainly not the worst. So why exactly are liberals making such a fuss about this President? He's doing better than Clinton did, given the circumstances. If it weren't for certain factors, such as the economic recession that he inherited upon entering office or 9/11, liberals would have nothing to throw back at Bush.

I support my President.

I still wonder how we went from 2 trillion surplus to 3 trillon deficit...5 trillion gone?

Moon base maybe...?

I hate these bumper stickers that say "He's not MY president".
I am a republican, though I've never voted for a republican governor in my state (always voted for Democrats because of the lottery and education).

George W Bush is MY President. If you are a US Citizen he is YOUR president too. And while I didn't vote for Bill Clinton when he ran against G.H.W. Bush, he won the election despite my vote. That made him MY president.

I was too young to vote for Jimmy Carter when he ran for office but I didn't want him to win.

But he did. And he was MY president because he did. I supported Bill Clinton when he was the leader of my country even though I didn't vote for him. Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

I have never seen my country as divided as it is today - and I am not complaining about that. I understand it and such debate is healthy in a free country.

You people that didn't want G.W. Bush to be president - my condolences to you all. He won the election and all I can offer to you is - in three years, it is a given that he won't be the president anymore.

Disagree with him. Voice your objections to his policies. Even call him a moron if you want.

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.

Bush is your president.

Enjoy

1) Wasn't there a vote re-count still going on?

2) He's the President of Washington D.C. and Iraq, anything more than that I doubt he can handle.

3) Fortunatelly, I live in Washington State, and we seceded from the Union on January 1st 2005. I'm running thing up here now!

4) He's killing off all his troops, thank goodness mine are still intact and ready for the takeover.

5) I thought someone by the name of Laura B. was running things over in that neck of the woods, or was it a Dick C. Either way, George whoever (?), hmmm..... sorry, never heard of the guy.

Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

In case you didn't know, loving your country does not mean you have to love your leader or "stand by him". In fact sometimes, it can be the other way around. Don't start using Newspeak here, it's not good for you or society.

A representative democracy is a republic.
Just to help you out, Canada is a confederation with a parliamentary democracy.

Oh, I'm sorry, do we suddenly not live in a democracy?


Not suddenly. We haven't been a democracy for 229 years. I don't know why you would think other wise. We're a Republic... not a democracy. The Founding Fathers made damn well sure we weren't a democracy.

Oh, and Bush is my president, although I did not vote for him. He was elected by the people, and thus is the President. I respect this fact. I don't respect hispresidency , but I respect him being President.

In case you didn't know, loving your country does not mean you have to love your leader or "stand by him". In fact sometimes, it can be the other way around. Don't start using Newspeak here, it's not good for you or society.


It doesn't mean that to YOU. It does to me, and it's good for me. I don't LOVE my leader. But he has my support. I stand by him because I believe in the checks and balances of our three branch system.
If you can't trust our system, and you need to treat the elected leader that YOU didn't vote for as an enemy of sorts, that's certainly up to you.

You do what you think is good for you.

Just to help you out, Canada is a confederation with a parliamentary democracy.

Call it what you want - you can't discount that it is ALSO a republic. You're trying to argue semantics here and I don't see why.

Sorry, but he no more represents me than televangelism represents Christianity.

Get over it -- sitting presidents will generate ire from those opposed to him no matter who it is. It's the nature of the beast.

1) Wasn't there a vote re-count still going on?

2) He's the President of Washington D.C. and Iraq, anything more than that I doubt he can handle.

3) Fortunatelly, I live in Washington State, and we seceded from the Union on January 1st 2005. I'm running thing up here now!

4) He's killing off all his troops, thank goodness mine are still intact and ready for the takeover.

5) I thought someone by the name of Laura B. was running things over in that neck of the woods, or was it a Dick C. Either way, George whoever (?), hmmm..... sorry, never heard of the guy.

Please stick a cork in it, huh? You're giving Washingtonians a bad name. If you were our governor, I'd take up assassination.

Sorry, but he no more represents me than televangelism represents Christianity.

Get over it -- sitting presidents will generate ire from those opposed to him no matter who it is. It's the nature of the beast.


Agreed, but not EVERYONE who opposed him.

George W. Bush is the President of the United States of America, period.

Thus, the people with those bumper stickers are simply saying they have either revoked their citizenship, they question/deny the very legality of Bush's presidency, or that the are not American citizens in the first place.

Is that so hard to take? A contraversial election result will lead to ill will. A polarized nation will have the sharpest of divisions. If these induviduals feel it is in their interest to express a rejection of George W Bush's presidency in the most basic of terms...So what? So the f*ck what.

Do they matter, really? Are they inciting to rebellion? Are they in a position to draw more power to themselves and force him out of office? No? Then why the hell does anyone care? Call them a moron, flip them the bird, mumbled darkly to yourself but don't go around questioning their ability to speak for themselves.

These are adults, they have the right, and you don't have the right to shut them up. Get over yourself, and let them live their whiny little lives in peace. Their bumper sticker offends you, get used to it, Bush's policies obviously offend them, why do you think they're speaking out?

I guess the moral of the story is this: if you're so mad, put a bumper sticker about it on your car; don't coming crying to those of us on General.

George W. Bush is the President of the United States of America, period.

Thus, the people with those bumper stickers are simply saying they have either revoked their citizenship, they question/deny the very legality of Bush's presidency, or that the are not American citizens in the first place.

Is that so hard to take? A contraversial election result will lead to ill will. A polarized nation will have the sharpest of divisions. If these induviduals feel it is in their interest to express a rejection of George W Bush's presidency in the most basic of terms...So what? So the f*ck what.

Do they matter, really? Are they inciting to rebellion? Are they in a position to draw more power to themselves and force him out of office? No? Then why the hell does anyone care? Call them a moron, flip them the bird, mumbled darkly to yourself but don't go around questioning their ability to speak for themselves.

These are adults, they have the right, and you don't have the right to shut them up. Get over yourself, and let them live their whiny little lives in peace. Their bumper sticker offends you, get used to it, Bush's policies obviously offend them, why do you think they're speaking out?

I guess the moral of the story is this: if you're so mad, put a bumper sticker about it on your car; don't coming crying to those of us on General.
Well stated, and an excellent defense of freedom of speech.

Call it what you want - you can't discount that it is ALSO a republic. You're trying to argue semantics here and I don't see why.
I was only trying to help out as I stated. However, Canada is NOT a republic.

You and I have very different principles. I do not agree with you, but that's my business I guess. I just hate hearing people say it because to ME it sounds very (yeah, I know liberals/dems hate this term) Unpatriotic. But that's my feeling.

So said.

Ahhh yes, because America = the President. :rolleyes:

George W. Bush is the President of the United States of America, period.

Thus, the people with those bumper stickers are simply saying they have either revoked their citizenship, they question/deny the very legality of Bush's presidency, or that the are not American citizens in the first place.

Is that so hard to take? A contraversial election result will lead to ill will. A polarized nation will have the sharpest of divisions. If these induviduals feel it is in their interest to express a rejection of George W Bush's presidency in the most basic of terms...So what? So the f*ck what.

Do they matter, really? Are they inciting to rebellion? Are they in a position to draw more power to themselves and force him out of office? No? Then why the hell does anyone care? Call them a moron, flip them the bird, mumbled darkly to yourself but don't go around questioning their ability to speak for themselves.

These are adults, they have the right, and you don't have the right to shut them up. Get over yourself, and let them live their whiny little lives in peace. Their bumper sticker offends you, get used to it, Bush's policies obviously offend them, why do you think they're speaking out?

I guess the moral of the story is this: if you're so mad, put a bumper sticker about it on your car; don't coming crying to those of us on General.


Right back at you - if you don't like that I posted this thread, what the f*ck are you doing in here? I said my piece because I wanted to and no cynical person that came IN HERE to read this discussion is going to convince me that I shouldn't have posted it. I'm not trying to shut anyone up. I just spoke my opinion regarding my thoughts on those bumper stickers because this is a public forum. If you don't like what I post, don't come in here whining about it. Next time don't read the post and you'll at least have one LESS thing in your life to complain about.

You're welcome to your opinion.

I disagree with it.

Ahhh yes, because America = the President. :rolleyes:

Stick with your exaggerated characterizations of people you disagree with if they make you feel better about your position. It doesn't change the fact that the guy you wanted to win isn't the president. Too bad.

I was only trying to help out as I stated. However, Canada is NOT a republic.

It is a republic because it is not a direct democracy. Get rid of all your ministers and put legistation responsibilities directly in the hands of the general public and THEN it won't be a repuiblic.

"It doesn't change the fact that the guy you wanted to win isn't the president. Too bad."

I support Bush, thank you very much. Just saying that bashing the President is not unpatriotic.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

-Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"It doesn't change the fact that the guy you wanted to win isn't the president. Too bad."

I support Bush, thank you very much. Just saying that bashing the President is not unpatriotic.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

-Theodore Roosevelt (1918)


Sorry, I assumed you were a Kerry supporter. I'm not saying bashing the president is unpatriotic. What I AM saying is that I personally perceive language that depicts the president as some kind of enemy as being unpatriotic. I don't say we should arrest anyone for it, but I'm allowed to not like it.

Kerry has more money than Bush does, and I remember hearing tons of people bash Bush for being a spoiled rich kid. In my opinion, the Democrats could have done WAAAAAY better. Who'd he pay off to get the chance to run? Anyways, and I reserve the right to not like your not liking it! ;)

It is a republic because it is not a direct democracy. Get rid of all your ministers and put legistation responsibilities directly in the hands of the general public and THEN it won't be a repuiblic.
Last kick at the can here....Canada is not a republic:

Canada is a federation of ten provinces with three territories. Initially constituted through the British North America Act of 1867 and styled the "Dominion of Canada", it is governed as a parliamentary representative democracy and is a constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth II as head of state.

I'm not trying to shut anyone up.

And now from your first post:

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.

Sure seems like you have contradicted yourself?

Niccolo Medici's post was right on the money, and that appears to have upset you, but in the end he is right. Long live freedom of speech.

Just to help you out, Canada is a confederation with a parliamentary democracy.

I just checked - apparently the official title of Canada is "The Dominion of Canada".

Well he's NOT MY PRESIDENT, I have my own moron to worry about.

Me too

So Intangelon, when you become an official assassin and decide to come after me, how many of my 1000 lookalikes do you plan on taking out? I doubt if you'd make it past the first one. In fact, you'd probably stumble and shoot yourself first. Since you seem as bright as at least Mr. Bush.

Are you planning on assassinating Jay Leno, Dave Letterman and all the other people in the world that are poking jabs at your beloved Shrub?

And if you don't like it, then you can either leave the Country, or deal with it. Bye, bye!

Last kick at the can here....Canada is not a republic:

Canada is a federation of ten provinces with three territories. Initially constituted through the British North America Act of 1867 and styled the "Dominion of Canada", it is governed as a parliamentary representative democracy and is a constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth II as head of state.


You are correct - but a representatice democracy is a republic. Canada is not TITLED as a republic, but it is a form of one.

And now from your first post:



Sure seems like you have contradicted yourself?

Niccolo Medici's post was right on the money, and that appears to have upset you, but in the end he is right. Long live freedom of speech.


No sir - I said "Please". I made a request. I didn't tell anyone what to do. I said please don't. So I didn't contradict myself. And all my post said was that I don't like hearing it. He whined because I posted it, but I didn't force him to read it.

Long live freedom of speech!!!

I just checked - apparently the official title of Canada is "The Dominion of Canada".


I agree that Canada is not TITLED as a republic.

Not suddenly. We haven't been a democracy for 229 years. I don't know why you would think other wise. We're a Republic... not a democracy. The Founding Fathers made damn well sure we weren't a democracy.

For the last fucking time, the United States is not just a republic, you ignorant, obnoxious pricks. Nerion was perfectly fine in calling us a democracy, because technically we are. We are a democratic republic, which is one of the three main forms of democracy, those being representative, direct, and republic. Thus, we are a democracy and a republic at the same time. And the Founding Fathers didn't make damn well sure we weren't a democracy. I doubt they cared about petty semantics as much as you apparently do in trying (and failing) to "shut down" Nerion.

No sir - I said "Please". I made a request. I didn't tell anyone what to do. I said please don't. So I didn't contradict myself. And all my post said was that I don't like hearing it. He whined because I posted it, but I didn't force him to read it.

Long live freedom of speech!!!
Perhaps you didn't directly contradict yourself, because you did ask in a polite way. However, you were politely requesting that others give up their "freedom of speech" in an effort to please you, and I think that most would find that unnacceptable?

For the last fucking time, the United States is not just a republic, you ignorant, obnoxious pricks. Nerion was perfectly fine in calling us a democracy, because technically we are. We are a democratic republic, which is one of the three main forms of democracy, those being representative, direct, and republic. Thus, we are a democracy and a republic at the same time. And the Founding Fathers didn't make damn well sure we weren't a democracy. I doubt they cared about petty semantics as much as you apparently do in trying (and failing) to "shut down" Nerion.

Democracy: Read, rule of the people. In the US, elected officials rule. It is not a democracy, its a republic that allows democratic election of its officials. Its a republic with democratic processes, just like Iran, and many other nations. Doesnt make it a democracy though.

Democracy: Read, rule of the people. In the US, elected officials rule. It is not a democracy, its a republic that allows democratic election of its officials. Its a republic with democratic processes, just like Iran, and many other nations. Doesnt make it a democracy though.

*gives Chellis a cookie and a high five*

I agree... no matter what, if you call yourself an american, and you say that america is your country, then the president of america is the president of your country, therefore he is your president... like it or not... suck on that :sniper:

Democracy: Read, rule of the people. In the US, elected officials rule. It is not a democracy, its a republic that allows democratic election of its officials. Its a republic with democratic processes, just like Iran, and many other nations. Doesnt make it a democracy though.

Our republic is a form of democracy. What is so hard to understand? To use this stupid fucking argument that you have written hear is to also exclude representative democracies from your definition. There are many types of democracy other than direct, which is what you are describing. Besides, Iran is a democracy, technically, just a highly corrupt one. Representative democracies use democratically elected officials, as well, and representative democracies are democracies, whether they are run directly by the people or not, similarly to republics.

Don't feel down. Look at the bright side. At least this moron thought you had a good point:

*gives Chellis a cookie and a high five*

Our republic is a form of democracy. What is so hard to understand? To use this stupid fucking argument that you have written hear is to also exclude representative democracies from your definition.
Demo - people
Cracy - Rule

The people don't rule in a republic, representatives do.

Don't feel down. Look at the bright side. At least this moron thought you had a good point:
Please do not flame.

Demo - people
Cracy - Rule

The people don't rule in a republic, representatives do.

The people don't rule in a representative democracy, either, but that is also a form of democracy. Stop being stubborn, and face that you were wrong, and got called on it.

Direct democracy, the type of democracy that you continue to ignorantly refer to, is not the only thing that democracy entails. There are other kinds, some of which describe the United States almost perfectly.

Please do not flame.

If that was flaming, then your petty, baseless support of Chellis was flamebaiting, as it pissed me off and prompted me to flame.

The people don't rule in a representative democracy, either, but that is also a form of democracy. Stop being stubborn, and face that you were wrong, and got called on it.
If the people don't rule then it isnt a democracy. That's just randomly borrowing the term. It's like calling russian communism communism.

If the people don't rule then it isnt a democracy. That's just randomly borrowing the term. It's like calling russian communism communism.

It's not fucking borrowing anything, it's a globally accepted form of democracy. Get that through your thick skull. In the words of Billy Bob Thornton, "God, damn it, are you fucking with me!?"

Honestly I do not consider George W. Bush my president, even though I live in the United States. A great man once said "To announce that there should be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American people." --Theodore Roosevelt. So I still do not consider Bush to be my president.

Honestly I do not consider George W. Bush my president, even though I live in the United States. A great man once said "To announce that there should be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American people." --Theodore Roosevelt. So I still do not consider Bush to be my president.

Criticism is one thing. To say that Bush isn't your president when, by definition, he is, is just stupid.

Criticism is one thing. To say that Bush isn't your president when, by definition, he is, is just stupid.


I never said he wasn't, I just said I do not consider him to be my president. But I'm not like 'No I don't believe he is in office and sent that army to Iraq because he's not my president' Yea, i'm not like that.

I never said he wasn't, I just said I do not consider him to be my president. But I'm not like 'No I don't believe he is in office and sent that army to Iraq because he's not my president' Yea, i'm not like that.
Ahhh, okay, sorry to jump you, then.

Ahhh, okay, sorry to jump you, then.

Nahh, it's cool :)

Yeah, I agree with Basilicata. I don't consider Bush to be my president, although by definition, he is. Even though I dislike him and disagree with his policies, those policies and decisions still affect me. Like the Army's recruitment database, or if he passes a law on abortions. Those may at some point have their effects on me, even if I don't like him or I didn't vote for him.

Kerry has more money than Bush does, and I remember hearing tons of people bash Bush for being a spoiled rich kid. In my opinion, the Democrats could have done WAAAAAY better. Who'd he pay off to get the chance to run? Anyways, and I reserve the right to not like your not liking it!
Just because you're rich doesn't mean you're spoiled, dude. One of the richest kids I know isn't spoiled in the least, and I know some kids who aren't rich at all who live with their single mothers who are extremely spoiled.

Just because you're rich doesn't mean you're spoiled, dude. One of the richest kids I know isn't spoiled in the least, and I know some kids who aren't rich at all who live with their single mothers who are extremely spoiled.

The second thing you mentioned is commonly true, but as for the former, I doubt seriously the rich kid ain't spoiled. I'd like to see him live in our house for a month, and then still say he's not spoiled.

And actually John Kerry himself is not rich, his wife is. So technically Bush is richer than John Kerry is.

And actually John Kerry himself is not rich, his wife is. So technically Bush is richer than John Kerry is.

ROFL! No, my friend, John Kerry is still fuckin' loaded. His wife is simply much, much richer. Besides, "technically" everything that his wife owns is also his, so he is richer than Bush is. Married people share wealth.

ROFL! No, my friend, John Kerry is still fuckin' loaded. His wife is simply much, much richer. Besides, "technically" everything that his wife owns is also his, so he is richer than Bush is. Married people share wealth.
Yeah, but you were talking about them as kids... meaning before he was married... meaning Bush was richer.

Criticism is one thing. To say that Bush isn't your president when, by definition, he is, is just stupid.
Why is it just stupid? Lots of people out there won't admit that they are related to certain people because they have disowned them. Disowning a President who is not related would be a fairly simple thing to do?

-Everyknowledge-: He's your president as much as Clinton was my president. No matter how much you abhor the president, unless you leave the country....he's still our president.

No not really.

Just as there are anti-popes, we can have anti-presidents.

The man doesn't support us; why should we support him?

No, you don't, not until the next election. He's your president, because you (presumably) are American, and he is the President of America. You don't have to like it, or him, but there it is.

Actually we do. Our freedoms give us the right to think anything we want.

I hate these bumper stickers that say "He's not MY president".
I am a republican, though I've never voted for a republican governor in my state (always voted for Democrats because of the lottery and education).

George W Bush is MY President. If you are a US Citizen he is YOUR president too. And while I didn't vote for Bill Clinton when he ran against G.H.W. Bush, he won the election despite my vote. That made him MY president.

I was too young to vote for Jimmy Carter when he ran for office but I didn't want him to win.

But he did. And he was MY president because he did. I supported Bill Clinton when he was the leader of my country even though I didn't vote for him. Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

I have never seen my country as divided as it is today - and I am not complaining about that. I understand it and such debate is healthy in a free country.

You people that didn't want G.W. Bush to be president - my condolences to you all. He won the election and all I can offer to you is - in three years, it is a given that he won't be the president anymore.

Disagree with him. Voice your objections to his policies. Even call him a moron if you want.

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.

SO Iraqies should stand by Saddam...ha. Your a tool

Well, Saddam was their leader, that is indisputable just like George Bush is our president. The iraqis do not have to like that part of history. As well acknowledging that our president is George Bush is simply acknowledging a fact about the nation we live in. To refuse to acknowledge him as the president is to refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of our government. However, I am for funny impersonations of any political leader(i like jibjabs musical parodies a lot as well).

SO Iraqies should stand by Saddam...ha. Your a tool
That's right. Whether or not anyone legitimately voted for Saddam does not alter the fact that Saddam did win their election, and so Iraq stood by Saddam and the United States was forced to remove him.


In fact, in the 18th century, King George III was our (what was soon to be America's king) and we were wrong for not standing by him!

That's right. Whether or not anyone legitimately voted for Saddam does not alter the fact that Saddam did win their election, and so Iraq stood by Saddam and the United States was forced to remove him.


In fact, in the 18th century, King George III was our (what was soon to be America's king) and we were wrong for not standing by him!

Whether or not anybody legitimately voted for Bush....

Just because you're rich doesn't mean you're spoiled, dude. One of the richest kids I know isn't spoiled in the least, and I know some kids who aren't rich at all who live with their single mothers who are extremely spoiled.

Sure there are exceptions to any claim. I went to high school with rich kids (when they could finally drive; they had cars the rest of us dream about); I found them to be extreamely spoiled.

That's right. Whether or not anyone legitimately voted for Saddam does not alter the fact that Saddam did win their election, and so Iraq stood by Saddam and the United States was forced to remove him.


In fact, in the 18th century, King George III was our (what was soon to be America's king) and we were wrong for not standing by him!

Well, I am not sure that people should have to stand by leaders that are illegitimate in their minds. They do have to recognize that those leaders exist though. However, the stand by illegitimate leader thing is slippery, if it is absolute in one way then Iraqis should have whole-heartedly supported Saddam, however if the people have the right to overthrow any leader that they see as illegitimate, then we would have a lot of attempted revolutions.

Revolutions/Civil Wars.

A revolution is when the rebels win.
A civil war is when the patriots win.

If America lost the "American Revolution," it would've been known as a British civil war.

If the South won the "American civil war," it would've been known as "The Confederate Revolution." (And to some, that's still how it's known...go figure)

My opinion? Revolution/Civil War is a regular and natural part of democracy. It's an ugly part of democracy, but as the American Declaration of Independence makes clear, it is a necessary part of democracy, which is why I'm kind of baffled about the current administration talking so badly about a possibly "civil war" taking place in Iraq.

If the people who lost to the American muscle-flexing don't like the interim government or the new government that is being formed, mostly by the Americans, and consider it wrong, then isn't a civil war the only natural and right thing?!

too bad too all those democrats and liberals. he IS your president. you know who isn't your president? John Kerry. Thank God for that too. I mean, he shouldn't have been running for president. He admitted to commiting war crimes in vietnam. He should be on trial, or better yet locked up.

and i know you'll just say george bush is committing war crimes. boo-freakin-hoo! i guess so were churchill and roosevelt when they ordered bombings of nazi germany and japan, eh? why don't we just put every great hero up for trial because they're all muderers.

i know people like you. revisionists. wishing the past happened differently. you're fools. the past is done, maybe you should be worrying about the future? don't you think?

GEORGE W. BUSH IS MY PRESIDENT. SO WAS BILL CLINTON. SO WAS FDR, AND TEDDY ROOSEVELT, AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN, AND GEORGE WASHINGTON.

we're all americans. maybe you liberals need to stop attacking the great foundations of our nation. we all need to work together. not because i'm conservative (and actually, im pretty centrist on just about everything other than like the war and stuff like that) and you're liberal. but because we're people. and we're americans. no more politcal party bs. whats best for america? whats best for people?

If the people who lost to the American muscle-flexing don't like the interim government or the new government that is being formed, mostly by the Americans, and consider it wrong, then isn't a civil war the only natural and right thing?!

Well it might be argued that the ground work is in place with the Conservatives about to control the three branches of goverment.

Too many rulings with the attitude of either you are with us or against us.....

Ahhh well just a late night scenerio after a tiring day. ;)

I'm talking about Iraq...

we're all americans. maybe you liberals need to stop attacking the great foundations of our nation. we all need to work together. not because i'm conservative (and actually, im pretty centrist on just about everything other than like the war and stuff like that) and you're liberal. but because we're people. and we're americans. no more politcal party bs. whats best for america? whats best for people?

Well why should the liberals want to work with the shrub? He doesn't even toss them a couple bones on some issues.

I'm talking about Iraq...


Well blah. I guess I should think before posting. ;)

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So Intangelon, when you become an official assassin and decide to come after me, how many of my 1000 lookalikes do you plan on taking out? I doubt if you'd make it past the first one. In fact, you'd probably stumble and shoot yourself first. Since you seem as bright as at least Mr. Bush.

Are you planning on assassinating Jay Leno, Dave Letterman and all the other people in the world that are poking jabs at your beloved Shrub?

And if you don't like it, then you can either leave the Country, or deal with it. Bye, bye!

That's perhaps the most incredibly fucked-up interpretation of one of my posts I've ever had the displeasure of reading. I don't love Bush -- I have no idea where you gleaned that tripe-filled insight -- I was merely saying that if a complete whack-a-loon like you* were actually governor, you'd be double-tapped within a month.

As far as assassinating Leno and Letterman, that would have nothing to do with politics or bashing the President, that would be more along the lines of retribution for just plain not being funny.

By the way, the whole "leave the country" argument is just about as asinine as it gets. I love my country -- it's a great country -- but it's a rotten system and needs to be eviscerated of its greedy, interest-humping, pork-flogging career politicians. INCLUDING brainless democrats like Patty Murray and Ted "Bad Date" Kennedy. So yes, I voted Kerry, but that's only because a Nader vote would've been stupid.

*To the Mods: flame-for-flame. No more, no less.

Hes not my president and I'm glad - Bad luck America! I would like to debate about George Bush but enough people hate me for calling him a warmongering retard....damn I did it again :p

Hes not my president and I'm glad - Bad luck America! I would like to debate about George Bush but enough people hate me for calling him a warmongering retard....damn I did it again :p

*hands you a cookie*

I'll say.

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REASONABILITY IS FUTILE!

But I'll try anyway.

To those on the Left: Guess what? Bush is your President, as you'll soon find out should ever quit whining long enough to actually attempt some kind of revolution or rebellion. I know you never will, because that entails action as opposed to constant baseless carping. Whoever you are, your fruity ponytails and cutesy little slogans will get precisely nothing done. You want change? Then DO something. Your unfounded and unsupported accusations are spittle in the wind and serve only to marginalize yourselves...which, I suppose, is good in the end.

To those on the Right: Castigating the Left because they use bad logic, emotional sophistry and shitty slogans to bash your hero Bush is not just hypocritical, it's disingenuous and childish -- moreso even than the Left. You know damn well you all did the same kind of bashing while Clinton was in office. And for what? Cheating on his wife?!? So the hell what? You philanderers on the Right are no more moral pillars than Clinton was -- worse than that, your leaders tend to have more grave ethical skeletons than those across the aisle. Trumpeting free speech while yelling and commanding ("please" is a command when it's not sincere) those you disagree with to shut up is yet another in ther endless series of double standards. Which are fine! Just cop to them, and I'd respect you a hell of a lot more (for all that's worth :rolleyes: ).

So let's all just build a bridge and get over it, shall we?

REASONABILITY IS FUTILE!

But I'll try anyway.

To those on the Left: Guess what? Bush is your President, as you'll soon find out should ever quit whining long enough to actually attempt some kind of revolution or rebellion. I know you never will, because that entails action as opposed to constant baseless carping. Whoever you are, your fruity ponytails and cutesy little slogans will get precisely nothing done. You want change? Then DO something. Your unfounded and unsupported accusations are spittle in the wind and serve only to marginalize yourselves...which, I suppose, is good in the end.

To those on the Right: Castigating the Left because they use bad logic, emotional sophistry and shitty slogans to bash your hero Bush is not just hypocritical, it's disingenuous and childish -- moreso even than the Left. You know damn well you all did the same kind of bashing while Clinton was in office. And for what? Cheating on his wife?!? So the hell what? You philanderers on the Right are no more moral pillars than Clinton was -- worse than that, your leaders tend to have more grave ethical skeletons than those across the aisle. Trumpeting free speech while yelling and commanding ("please" is a command when it's not sincere) those you disagree with to shut up is yet another in ther endless series of double standards. Which are fine! Just cop to them, and I'd respect you a hell of a lot more (for all that's worth :rolleyes: ).

So let's all just build a bridge and get over it, shall we?

HYPOCRITICAL! this whole response is hypocritical. lets try and bash both sides while saying how childish bashing is!! i understand that i am responding in the same way but i am also showing what politics is. free speech haha its because of the liberal founded media that uses their "Right to free speech and press" that causes all of this tension. i ask u this is it more moral to try and defend the standards set in the constitution or to defend a man that cheated on his wife, because in this day and age cheating is no big deal right? u want to show that bashing is stupid show us "horrible bashers" how to stop, but then again if u dont have the guts to state ur true opinion in a simple forum without defending both sides i seriously doubt there will be a "moral" response. "Rebellion" talk about a good form of action. lets all sit on the street crying, yelling, and causing chaos becuase as im sure many of u are use to; complaining long enough solves all your problems. this is y many of u hate bush because he doesnt take that cr*p. clinton tried all he could to please ur complaining, and down sizing our military because of ur "rebellions" really helped us right? i strongly recommend that u all go to canada because they seem to be doing pretty well pleasing all of the complaints and problems. but i ask without a commanding "please" but instead a sincere "please" because when its economy cant fulfill all of ur little problems i dont want to respond to another forum with a title of
"what happened to canada". Unless I Post it!!!

the horrible basher on the right: evil jay

To those on the Left: Guess what? Bush is your President, Bush is not my president.

and I want to thank the thread creator..I had no idea how much this bumper stickers piss you off (Bushites)

I will buy a couple of them...and a T-shirt too.

help me choose if you want :D
link me your favorite models..

Bush is not my president.

and I want to thank the thread creator..I had no idea how much this bumper stickers piss you off (Bushites)

I will buy a couple of them...and a T-shirt too.

help me choose if you want :D
link me your favorite models...

how' bout

http://www.politicalamazon.com/images/lab-liar-not-my-president.jpg

http://www.donnellycolt.com/catalog/media/S-NMP.gif

this I would put in my sig...its small enough

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/david-corn/a-birthday-card-for-ameri_3532.html

HYPOCRITICAL! this whole response is hypocritical. lets try and bash both sides while saying how childish bashing is!! i understand that i am responding in the same way but i am also showing what politics is. free speech haha its because of the liberal founded media that uses their "Right to free speech and press" that causes all of this tension. i ask u this is it more moral to try and defend the standards set in the constitution or to defend a man that cheated on his wife, because in this day and age cheating is no big deal right? u want to show that bashing is stupid show us "horrible bashers" how to stop, but then again if u dont have the guts to state ur true opinion in a simple forum without defending both sides i seriously doubt there will be a "moral" response. "Rebellion" talk about a good form of action. lets all sit on the street crying, yelling, and causing chaos becuase as im sure many of u are use to; complaining long enough solves all your problems. this is y many of u hate bush because he doesnt take that cr*p. clinton tried all he could to please ur complaining, and down sizing our military because of ur "rebellions" really helped us right? i strongly recommend that u all go to canada because they seem to be doing pretty well pleasing all of the complaints and problems. but i ask without a commanding "please" but instead a sincere "please" because when its economy cant fulfill all of ur little problems i dont want to respond to another forum with a title of
"what happened to canada". Unless I Post it!!!

the horrible basher on the right: evil jay

Uh...tell you what, Skippy. You learn to speak clearly and make your point and I'll respond to it. I bash both sides because both sides are completely and utterly full of shit.

Perhaps you didn't directly contradict yourself, because you did ask in a polite way. However, you were politely requesting that others give up their "freedom of speech" in an effort to please you, and I think that most would find that unnacceptable?


Give up their complete right to freedom of speech? Especially when they have the option to say "no" to my request?

I said I don't like to hear something, though I can deal with hearing it. Any request made of someone else is at least an imposition, I'll accept that. But the cost of an entire freedom?

I did request not to hear a certain phrase yes. One phrase - and it was only a request. And you say that request not to hear a single phrase that I cannot prevent my target audience from refusing represents a request to give up a right in its entirety.

Interesting point of view you have.

Have you ever asked someone for something? Seriously. Have you ever asked anyone for anything that they weren't already planning to do or provide?

Because if you do stand by that belief above, any request you make of someone that isn't congruent with their present desires is a request to give up a right in its entirety by your definition.

REASONABILITY IS FUTILE!

But I'll try anyway.

To those on the Left: Guess what? Bush is your President, as you'll soon find out should ever quit whining long enough to actually attempt some kind of revolution or rebellion. I know you never will, because that entails action as opposed to constant baseless carping. Whoever you are, your fruity ponytails and cutesy little slogans will get precisely nothing done. You want change? Then DO something. Your unfounded and unsupported accusations are spittle in the wind and serve only to marginalize yourselves...which, I suppose, is good in the end.

To those on the Right: Castigating the Left because they use bad logic, emotional sophistry and shitty slogans to bash your hero Bush is not just hypocritical, it's disingenuous and childish -- moreso even than the Left. You know damn well you all did the same kind of bashing while Clinton was in office. And for what? Cheating on his wife?!? So the hell what? You philanderers on the Right are no more moral pillars than Clinton was -- worse than that, your leaders tend to have more grave ethical skeletons than those across the aisle. Trumpeting free speech while yelling and commanding ("please" is a command when it's not sincere) those you disagree with to shut up is yet another in ther endless series of double standards. Which are fine! Just cop to them, and I'd respect you a hell of a lot more (for all that's worth :rolleyes: ).

So let's all just build a bridge and get over it, shall we?


I only said seeing a certain phrase on a bumper sticker bothers me. It bothered me enough to make a post about it. But I'm able to cope with it, for what that's worth. And I never asked anyone to "shut up". That implies I asked people to stop talking altogether.

I find it funny how the "well educated" democrats will say "Hes not my President".

He is your President Dumb@$$. Doesnt matter if you didnt vote for him. He is your elected President.

I hate these bumper stickers that say "He's not MY president".
I am a republican, though I've never voted for a republican governor in my state (always voted for Democrats because of the lottery and education).

George W Bush is MY President. If you are a US Citizen he is YOUR president too. And while I didn't vote for Bill Clinton when he ran against G.H.W. Bush, he won the election despite my vote. That made him MY president.

I was too young to vote for Jimmy Carter when he ran for office but I didn't want him to win.

But he did. And he was MY president because he did. I supported Bill Clinton when he was the leader of my country even though I didn't vote for him. Because I love my country dearly and Bill Clinton was the man that the majority of Americans gave their endorsement to lead us. So I stood by him.

I didn't agree with all of his policies, but he was MY president.

I have never seen my country as divided as it is today - and I am not complaining about that. I understand it and such debate is healthy in a free country.

You people that didn't want G.W. Bush to be president - my condolences to you all. He won the election and all I can offer to you is - in three years, it is a given that he won't be the president anymore.

Disagree with him. Voice your objections to his policies. Even call him a moron if you want.

But if you're an American - please don't say he's not YOUR president.

Oh get off it. The monkey does NOT represent me. Nor do I feel he properly represents the Republic we DESERVE to have. Hell, the ONLY reason we have him as a president because of such a massive scourge of voter apathy and ignorance. Bush is just a fool who found himself a way to the White House through daddy and his friends. He did it with no merit of his own.

George Washington is MY president.

ROFL! No, my friend, John Kerry is still fuckin' loaded. His wife is simply much, much richer. Besides, "technically" everything that his wife owns is also his, so he is richer than Bush is. Married people share wealth.

You would be very surprised. Not all married people share their wealth, I know a lot of people who do not. And yes, John Kerry may be rich but lets think about this, who do you think gets paid more, A Governor of a state or The President of the country? Plus growing up, Bush's father was president and Bush owned oil companies (more money in his pocket) And he was governor, So he has grown up in a rich enviornment, contrary to John Kerry.

Anyway, although Bush is the president, I would not like to see him in office. Cheaters never prosper, except in this case, where he ended up becoming the president.

Canada is not TITLED as a republic, but it is a form of one.

Nope, Canada is a Monarchy, kinda like the United Kingdom. The Queen is the Head of Government, we do not elect a president/consul/other Republican HoG. Yes, there are non-republican democracies in the world.

Just to help you out, Canada is a confederation with a parliamentary democracy.Yes, with the Queen as Head of State, therefore rendering it very definitely not a Republic (although I am sure there are plenty there that support a Republic). I believe it is a Dominion of the UK or something.

Actually, support for the Monarchy in Canada is quite high. If you ment in the UK, I have no clue, my family there is staunchly Monarchist, but they are also Enniskillan Protestants

He's not my President.

He's a Theocrat puppet.

He's not my President.

He's a Theocrat puppet.

Hmm...I'd like you to point to where he says "our laws should be directly influenced by christianity".

Hmm...I'd like you to point to where he says "our laws should be directly influenced by christianity".
Here's some Theologian/President quotes for you:

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job."--Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Jul. 9, 2004

"Like generations before us, we have a calling from beyond the stars to stand for freedom."--Republican National Convention, New York, New York, Sep. 2, 2004

"If everybody matters, if every life counts, then we should hope everybody has the great God's gift of freedom."
-- Invoking "the great God" in justifying war with Iraq, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Jan. 29, 2003

"It means that we unleash the faith-based programs to help change people's hearts, which will help change their lives." -- Atlanta, Georgia, Jun. 17, 2002

That's just a sampling of his Reverend/President confusion.

Hmm...I'd like you to point to where he says "our laws should be directly influenced by christianity".

1) Faith-Based Initiative. Can anyone give me proof that a non-WASP group has gotten funding from this?

2) Global Abstinence-based Medical Funding. Anything that promotes abstinence as the end-all be-all solution to an epidemic like AIDS and unwanted pregnancies is a failure waiting to happen.

Well if people from the US say he isn't their president then they can move to Canada and take Michael Moore with you. :D *sarcasm* :D

Don't inflict michael Moore on those poor bastards, they have enough problems. Actually send him here (Australia), some-one bound to get the shits and deal with him
Take this Moore :headbang:

SO Iraqies should stand by Saddam...ha. Your a tool

I was talking about the US - my own country.