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I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....

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I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....

Let me ask why is it that certain "christians" can't seem to grasp that not everyone accepts nor believes the religion yet we must all endure their slaughtering of logic, unfounded ad hominem attacks and generally unwelcome, rude and offensive behavior, etc, etc?

With so many Christian discussions, in which a majority of persons propose Christian points of view, the criticism hardly holds.

We've got all sorts of viewpoints, here, so try not to worry about it. Just be civil towards other players and you'll be fine. :)

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Thank you.

Welcome to NS, leave your religion at the door, or prepare for people to use it against you.
Meh, you get some "Christianity is evil" stuff. I've got "you're evil, trying to take over the world, drink Christian virgins blood, evil again, parasitic" and more.

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....
We're not exactly anti-Christian. It's only certain, some would say fanatical, Christians that we are against. And I'm glad you don't stick your nose in other people's business. I like you already, because you're tolerant of others. :)

Let me ask why is it that certain "christians" can't seem to grasp that not everyone accepts nor believes the religion yet we must all endure their slaughtering of logic, unfounded ad hominem attacks and generally unwelcome, rude and offensive behavior, etc, etc?

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probably because all those 'certian christians' are probably to busy burning crosses somewhere to notice..

I respect what others believe. I don't try to impose my beliefs on them...

Let me ask why is it that certain "christians" can't seem to grasp that not everyone accepts nor believes the religion yet we must all endure their slaughtering of logic, unfounded ad hominem attacks and generally unwelcome, rude and offensive behavior, etc, etc?

I don't ask anyone else to believe what I do.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they like as far as im concerned.
Would also like to think that I don't behave how you describe "certain christians"

May i just point out that this isnt an anti-Christian forum. In fact im sure if you stick around, the zeaolts will show themselvs, as they regularly do, grumbling about homosexuality and other things which irritate them. I am a practising Roman Catholic and I do tend to get quite exasperated by some of the ultra christians here, who seem to disregard the opinions of others. Most people on this forum are intelligent and pleasant people who have often good reasons for their opinions. I am open to any criticism of my relgion, as personally I see it as a way to think more deeply about it and reconsider it. Maybe you should be less concerned.

I agree with everyone above me. A lot of Christians forget that most of us here on NS live in multi cultural nations and really couldn't care less about what your Bible, or any of your priests have to say.

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probably because all those 'certian christians' are probably to busy burning crosses somewhere to notice..



I think in a few exceptional cases that is probably true.

Oh, also, if I wanted to take a more actual approach to this, Christians are very unique, they have a Creed, but allow people at opposite ends to believe things so differently that you could swear they were from different religions. This is probably more of the reason why. Ex. Bible literally or metaphorically? There are a lot of examples that split Christians, so when you're finding this anti-Christian, remember that you are probably arguing with Christians too! :)

We're not exactly anti-Christian. It's only certain, some would say fanatical, Christians that we are against. And I'm glad you don't stick your nose in other people's business. I like you already, because you're tolerant of others. :)

Thank you. I have to say i'm not keen on 'fanatical' christians either - I don't think they help in how people view christians in general.

I think in a few exceptional cases that is probably true.

welcome to amerika....

There is a fair amount of rabid anti-Christian sentiment on these boards. There's also a fair amount of rabid Christian fundamentalism as well. And everything in between. I will admit, however, that the non-Christian sentiment does seem to outweigh the Christian most of the time.

But this is only to be expected. We live in an increasingly post-Christian world, so it's only natural that many people will rail against the bastions of the Christian ideology for a while before everyone but the Christians cease to give a shit about it anymore.

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....
I've been debating here for a couple of years, and it's OK, the debates here are pretty cyclical, so next week you will get to bash homosexuals, Americans, Europeans, Liberals, Muslims, some celebrity, ACLU or whatever the flavour of the week is. Just await your turn. ;)

advice: stay out of the religion threads... nobody is ever going to change their minds or even say anything remotley like "good point, i see where you're coming from..."
an ideology based on faith and irrational belief cannot be deconstructed with rational arguement, i have learned, so don't bother (unless you want some fun of course ;))


welcome to NS. you might want to look this over http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428618
*plugs own thread*

Thank you. I have to say i'm not keen on 'fanatical' christians either - I don't think they help in how people view christians in general.
Heh, indeed. I really do like you now. By the way, welcome to the forums. :)

Oh, also, if I wanted to take a more actual approach to this, Christians are very unique, they have a Creed, but allow people at opposite ends to believe things so differently that you could swear they were from different religions. This is probably more of the reason why. Ex. Bible literally or metaphorically? There are a lot of examples that split Christians, so when you're finding this anti-Christian, remember that you are probably arguing with Christians too! :)

Yes. Im a liberal Catholic and I resent the fanatics creating an atomsphere of "us aginst them." Most of my friends are Atheist and I respect them for it. Its their personal choice. What's wrong with lively debate anyway?

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....Don't worry homes they act like that to me. I'm also Christian they just dont understand they cant stop us by insults.

Don't worry homes they act like that to me. I'm also Christian they just dont understand they cant stop us by insults.
Mainly because of your ignorance and intolerance to others. Ever thought of that?

EDIT: By the way, you sound like you want to conquer the world for Christianity. Just letting you know.

Don't worry homes they act like that to me. I'm also Christian they just dont understand they cant stop us by insults.
No, they act that way to you because you're a troll, fanatic, frankly ridiculous, unbelievable, puppet with the grammar of a seven year old.

The only reason that some of the non-Christians here are always insulting Christians is because some of the Christians are always insulting the non-Christians, because they're always being insulted.

'Tis a vicious cycle, so it is, ye scurvy rapscallions. Arrrr.

This, from another thread, is the kinda thing I mean.

Oh, and I'm a Pagan and think you're talking christian shit.

Surely this is unnecessary? Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you have to be insulting, does it?

Don't worry about it. As Cog says, play nice and people tend to be nice.

If you want to understand why you see so much anti-christian stuff, just search for just about anything Greenlander posts and you will get an idea.

Don't take it personal unless they are directly talking to you.

Welcome and start toughing up your hide. ;)

From what I've seen here, they respect Christian who actually A) have read their Holy Book instead of taking what they've been told in Church and beleiving it, because there are some Aethiests here with more knowledge of the Bible than most Fundies, B) Are willing to admit they are wrong about some things, and C) act like civilized human beings. It looks like you fit those three so I welcome you to the club, as a member myself.

wow..hypocrisy grows like wild weeds.

This, from another thread, is the kinda thing I mean.



Surely this is unnecessary? Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you have to be insulting, does it?
Of course it's unecessary. The anti-Christian side is not perfect, and we never said it was. We just normally get more fanatic Christians than fanatic anti-Christians.

No, they act that way to you because you're a troll, fanatic, frankly ridiculous, unbelievable, puppet with the grammar of a seven year old.Why am i ridiculous? Because i have religous views? Fine if that how it works your a freakin moron for not beleving what i do. There happy you say christians act like that i will then

Dear Fenrisian Monks

Welcome to the board. To address your question, I don’t think that many of the threads on this board are “anti-Christian” (in fact, many of the posters are Christians), but rather written as thoughts and concerns against the practices of a number of more extreme Christian conservatives. These points are not directed at all Christian, and in fact apply to all religious fundamentalists in general. With that said, I welcome any religious/philosophical/political/scientific discussions that you would like to share. Rest assured that most people that I have encountered are quite civil and respectful.

Why am i ridiculous? Because i have religous views? Fine if that how it works your a freakin moron for not beleving what i do. There happy you say christians act like that i will then
No, it's because you're intolerant and ignorant of others. I'm sorry, but if you could just acknowledge that your side of the story may be wrong, you'd gain A LOT more respect.

I've seen MUCH worse forums, where name-calling would be the norm.
This forum is a good place to expose your point of view, and having persons replying with comments that are often intelligent, articulated and well-documented.
Of course, the preferred way of communicating here is the DEBATE. So it's normal that you don't find a cohort of "me-too" 's.

No, it's because you're intolerant and ignorant of others. I'm sorry, but if you could just acknowledge that your side of the story may be wrong, you'd gain A LOT more respect.And you guys are intolerant look at the "Bible relevent" thread and youll see what i mean

Why am i ridiculous? Because i have religous views? Fine if that how it works your a freakin moron for not beleving what i do. There happy you say christians act like that i will then
Noo... you're ridiculous because of:
a) How you express those views. I mean, you actually once posted song lyrics in a bid to prove to us how good Christianity was.

b) And because of your extreme fanaticism. Don't try and paint me as a racist, because I'm clearly not.

c) I didn't anywhere say Christians act like that (assuming that was what you wrote), I said you act like that.

I agree with everyone above me. A lot of Christians forget that most of us here on NS live in multi cultural nations and really couldn't care less about what your Bible, or any of your priests have to say.


Bingo.

And you guys are intolerant look at the "Bible relevent" thread and youll see what i mean
Maybe we wouldn't be so intolerant if you didn't keep shoving it in our faces. That's one of the reasons why I get so annoyed at those Christians.

And you guys are intolerant look at the "Bible relevent" thread and youll see what i mean
:rolleyes:

One intolerant drunk person in the whole thread so you decide to generalise.

Then you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

Maybe we wouldn't be so intolerant if you didn't keep shoving it in our faces. That's one of the reasons why I get so annoyed at those Christians.Sorry ill stop holding a gun to your head and ordering you to read my threads ok oh im not so your going in willingly and reading them so its your fault you are.

Why am i ridiculous? Because i have religous views? Fine if that how it works your a freakin moron for not beleving what i do. There happy you say christians act like that i will then

Weren't you the person who a while back (not sure how long) said that others like you were comming to the forum to spread the word/bunch of religious threads, because that stuff was hillarious. Gold, solid gold.

Would anyone care to comment on the following, agree/disagree?

If during a debate I use the Bible as evidence for my argument I should expect to be challenged. Severely.

If during a debate I am attacked because I am an admitted Christian, though not using the Bible as evidence, I should expect skepticism. And hostility.

If during a debate I am attacked in an insulting manner just because I am a Christian, that's just wrong. As are insulting generalizations about Christians for no particular reason.

A fair statement of what to expect on this forum? Is the last statement a reasonable staement regarding common courtesy?

Fcf2 just drop the subject. You aren't carrying yourself well and have obviously came prepared to fail. I admit that both of the sides that have argued here are hypocrites but at the moment Fcf2 you make the weakest statements and like I said before, "you aren't carrying yourself well".

:rolleyes:

One intolerant drunk person in the whole thread so you decide to generalise.

Then you wonder why people don't take you seriously.I was pointing out a fact.

I was pointing out a fact.

No you weren't. You saw one person who was intolerant and anti-christian, so decided painting everyone else with the same brush.

:rolleyes:

The only christians I hate are the buggers who come on ehre and tell me I'm going to hell ect.

I don't mind the ones that are tolerent and argue there views it's just the oones who scream at me and don't listen to my opinion I detest.

I myself am anti-christian, and there are quite a few anti-christians on this board. There are also quite a few christians. I believe that there are enough extremists on both sides to even the debate quite nicely.

Would anyone care to comment on the following, agree/disagree?

If during a debate I use the Bible as evidence for my argument I should expect to be challenged. Severely.

If during a debate I am attacked because I am an admitted Christian, though not using the Bible as evidence, I should expect skepticism. And hostility.

If during a debate I am attacked in an insulting manner just because I am a Christian, that's just wrong. As are insulting generalizations about Christians for no particular reason.

A fair statement of what to expect on this forum? Is the last statement a reasonable staement regarding common courtesy?

I would expect to be challenged if the Bible was the only source I used
Though in any debate I would expect to be challenged anyway.

You should not expect skepticism or hostility based on your religion regardless of which religion it happens to be.

And yes, I would agree with your last statement.

Would anyone care to comment on the following, agree/disagree?

If during a debate I use the Bible as evidence for my argument I should expect to be challenged. Severely.

If during a debate I am attacked because I am an admitted Christian, though not using the Bible as evidence, I should expect skepticism. And hostility.

If during a debate I am attacked in an insulting manner just because I am a Christian, that's just wrong. As are insulting generalizations about Christians for no particular reason.

A fair statement of what to expect on this forum? Is the last statement a reasonable staement regarding common courtesy?
If you use the Bible, yes, expect to be challenged like other proof.

Wrong. Only if you are intolerant of others and SO SURE about your own belief, so sure that you refuse to admit it might be wrong, then yes, expect skepticism.

If you are attacked just because you're Christian, then yes, that is wrong. If, however, you provoke people into attacking you by over-using the Bible and refusing to admit that you may be wrong, then no, it won't be wrong. Unless you're flamed. That's an exception.

Final Statement: Unless you show you can be flexible regarding your views and tolerant of other people's opinions, don't expect to have a great time debating.

The tone, if not the actual phrasing, of some posts here tends to denigrate Christians in general.

Slam the guy you disagree with, not the general population. It's a very large population, by the way, and surely not everyone within it thinks alike.

Disliking Christians in general is no excuse to put bias into words.

If you use the Bible, yes, expect to be challenged like other proof.

Wrong. Only if you are intolerant of others and SO SURE about your own belief, so sure that you refuse to admit it might be wrong, then yes, expect skepticism.

If you are attacked just because you're Christian, then yes, that is wrong. If, however, you provoke people into attacking you by over-using the Bible and refusing to admit that you may be wrong, then no, it won't be wrong. Unless you're flamed. That's an exception.

Final Statement: Unless you show you can be flexible regarding your views and tolerant of other people's opinions, don't expect to have a great time debating.

As it happens, I agree completely. I have had no personal problems on this board, but in my view some anti-Christian comments border on extreme rudeness. Just my take on it, and I expect most would agree that bias is wrong no matter where directed.

As it happens, I agree completely. I have had no personal problems on this board, but in my view some anti-Christian comments border on extreme rudeness. Just my take on it, and I expect most would agree that bias is wrong no matter where directed.
Indeed. Even us anti-Christians can take it too far.

It's all about tolerance and flexibility really.

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....

Christianity has been responsible for a lot of atrocities over the past 2000 years - it has a great deal to answer for. Although most of that seems to have finally calmed down a bit, forgive us if we don't fall all over ourselves converting to your religion.

There are alot of atheist liberals and religouis conservitives.

i am not homophobic, anti-christian, sexist or racist and i think anybody who is any of these should not be allowed on this forum. so stuff anybody who accuses another person of having wrong beliefs. if people want to believe that the world is carried on a turtle's back the fine, doesn't bother me. :)

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....

I wouldn't call it Anti-Christian...Just Anti-Christian-that-pushes-their-ideals-on-everyone-else.

Indeed. Even us anti-Christians can take it too far.

It's all about tolerance and flexibility really.

Yes. Another reason, besides courtesy, is that insulting generalizations of any kind cause the thread to devolve into hostile vapidity. And insulting someone's core beliefs is guaranteed a response in kind.

It's hard enough to stay on topic as it is.

Christianity has been responsible for a lot of atrocities over the past 2000 years - it has a great deal to answer for. Although most of that seems to have finally calmed down a bit, forgive us if we don't fall all over ourselves converting to your religion.

I'm not asking you to convert to my religion. All I would like is for people to be civil to each other and not make rude or inflammatory remarks based on somenes beliefs. Is that really too much to ask?

I agree that the Church has done a lot of wrong, as have many other organisations/countries, but that is no excuse for being rude. I wasn't responsible for any of the wrongs commited by the church nor do I condone them.

Thank you. I have to say i'm not keen on 'fanatical' christians either - I don't think they help in how people view christians in general.

thank you. that is exactly what i mean, people say that anybody who isn't a christian will go to hell. i think that this is very i-don't-like-anybody-who-doesn't-think-like-i-do. you think like me m8. good for u :D

I wouldn't call it Anti-Christian...Just Anti-Christian-that-pushes-their-ideals-on-everyone-else.

This is probably true. However, most posts don't distinguish between the two, they lump all christians together - so should I just take it as read that anti-christian remarks are actually aimed at the 'fanatics'?

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....

I have seen people be intolerant of certain Christians on this board. I'm Christian, myself, have stated so openly on many threads and have never been attacked for it in any way. I think it's all in how you approach subjects. If you're open-minded and logical people usually avoid attacking you because it makes them look stupid.

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....


No, no, see, they just hate the Christians that don't renounce their Church's ignorance and acknowledge they need to be saved by the enlightened.

:rolleyes:

I'm not asking you to convert to my religion.

That's pretty unusual for a Christian, isn't it? But if you're not trying to convert others, why even bring it up?

All I would like is for people to be civil to each other and not make rude or inflammatory remarks based on somenes beliefs. Is that really too much to ask?

I have a tough time being civil to those who proselytize on and on ad nauseum, which Christians are famous for doing. Call it a character flaw.

I agree that the Church has done a lot of wrong, as have many other organisations/countries, but that is no excuse for being rude. I wasn't responsible for any of the wrongs commited by the church nor do I condone them.

I'm not rude to individuals, as long as they keep their religious beliefs to themselves. I'm not even rude the first time they bring it up, and as long as they notice that they've run into a brick wall with me, and cease their efforts to convert me, we all seem to get along fine. It's when they persist that I cease being subtle about it.

As far as comments I post in this forum regarding Christianity, I'm just posting my opinion the same as anyone else. If you're that thin-skinned, you may not want to hang out here.

No, no, see, they just hate the Christians that don't renounce their Church's ignorance and acknowledge they need to be saved by the enlightened.

:rolleyes:

Well, I think that raises a point. An area where Christians seem to be criticized, and inferences were made to this by previous posters, is for their lack of flexibility. The same can be said of the anti-Christian who can be equally inflexible.

Most religions have rules or core beliefs that they believe inviolate. That's the nature of it.

Christians at some point can't be flexible, depending on their individual beliefs, any more than other religions can be flexible regarding their diet. Otherwise they wouldn't have beliefs.

So if a Christian politely says, during a debate, "no matter how much evidence you show me, I can't accept it because it violates what I believe to be the truth" should he be slammed for that? Or should both parties politely agree to disagree and move on since there can't be a compromise?

Naturally, it's frustrating for debaters to confront that, but why is this any different than accepting that most Moslems won't eat pork?

This, as well as perceived Christian superiority and lecturing, seems to me to be the primary cause for what I think is insulting behavior on this board.

Maybe courtesy and understanding remains the best solution. On both sides.

Its also the "cool" thing to do on the internet nowadays. Christianity is really just the new complaining post really. And due to certain... Political figures, some who were less rabid, now treat all christians like throwbacks to the past ages. Youd think christians were still trying to take over the world. In either case, you cant expect anything but hostility from the anti-christians, because they come ready to argue with extremists and fundies and when they dont find that in someone they will tend to use the "your religion has alot to answer for" thing.

Which is like saying that something my religion did 300 years ago is somehow your fault. Just like you cant expect much common sense from the extremists, most anti-christians fall into the extremist category wether they admit it or not (not all mind you so be careful before attacking them). The whole labelling yourself as anti-christian is pretty extreme as it is. Theres a difference between not likign something and flat out making yourself an opponent of such. Thats the internet nowadays and if it bothers you that badly then do what I do and just dont bother reading most forums.

And for the record, Im a raised roman catholic turned pagan turned agnostic. So Ive run the field here.

That's pretty unusual for a Christian, isn't it? But if you're not trying to convert others, why even bring it up?



I have a tough time being civil to those who proselytize on and on ad nauseum, which Christians are famous for doing. Call it a character flaw.



I'm not rude to individuals, as long as they keep their religious beliefs to themselves. I'm not even rude the first time they bring it up, and as long as they notice that they've run into a brick wall with me, and cease their efforts to convert me, we all seem to get along fine. It's when they persist that I cease being subtle about it.

As far as comments I post in this forum regarding Christianity, I'm just posting my opinion the same as anyone else. If you're that thin-skinned, you may not want to hang out here.

First off, do you even read your own posts?? If you did then you would see that YOU were the one that brought up the subject of conversion, not me, I only answered you.

All christians do not go on and on, thats just a generalisation based on one or two of the afore mentioned 'fanatics'. And whose is the character flaw?

I don't object or have a problem with people posting their opinion, thats fine if they aren't being unnecessarily offensive. I was merely wondering about the seeming anti-christian nature of a number of the posts.

Its also the "cool" thing to do on the internet nowadays. Christianity is really just the new complaining post really. And due to certain... Political figures, some who were less rabid, now treat all christians like throwbacks to the past ages. Youd think christians were still trying to take over the world. In either case, you cant expect anything but hostility from the anti-christians, because they come ready to argue with extremists and fundies and when they dont find that in someone they will tend to use the "your religion has alot to answer for" thing.

Which is like saying that something my religion did 300 years ago is somehow your fault. Just like you cant expect much common sense from the extremists, most anti-christians fall into the extremist category wether they admit it or not (not all mind you so be careful before attacking them). The whole labelling yourself as anti-christian is pretty extreme as it is. Theres a difference between not likign something and flat out making yourself an opponent of such. Thats the internet nowadays and if it bothers you that badly then do what I do and just dont bother reading most forums.

And for the record, Im a raised roman catholic turned pagan turned agnostic. So Ive run the field here.
It's not "cool" to dis christians, especially online, at least where I'm from. I just have issues versus christianity.

There are some things that are okay to talk about and insult on the internet and lots of people jump on the bandwagon when this becomes so. Its how people are. And christianity happens to be on the recieving end now due to the far too zealous people out there.

This, from another thread, is the kinda thing I mean.



Surely this is unnecessary? Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you have to be insulting, does it?

Oh, out of context I sound like a rabid troll. :p

try being told you're evil, doomed to hell, a corrupting influence on your own children etc etc etc and you tend to lose your sense of proportion.

If I offended you I'm sorry. :(

I really do think you can think, believe and pretty much do what you like and will defend your right to do it but that thread <Edit> Actually I can't remember what thread that was but it must of been pathetic. I don't gete pissed off easily </edit>

Of course it's unecessary. The anti-Christian side is not perfect, and we never said it was. We just normally get more fanatic Christians than fanatic anti-Christians.

Here I have to disagree. I think we see A LOT of both. I wouldn't suggest either is more prevelent.

Any Christian Emo around here?

LOL
Just kiddin'

Any Christian Emo around here?

LOL
Just kiddin'
*Chuckles.* Don't kid on that. They've infiltrated every kind of music. Rap, Rock (GOTH ROCK AND HEAVY METAL EVEN!), you name it. It's really very frightning.

this board isn't anti christian, so much as it's anti-christian/liberal/homosexual/conservative/fish/muslim/etc. it's unfortunately easier for people to say what they're against than what they're for...

The worst sort of message boards are the "anti-typing" varie-

*now where'd my keyboard go?*

To be honest I've seen aggression, insults and tasteless jokes on both sides.

I'm a liberal Catholic, but frankly, some of the Christians here shocked me with their fanatism.
On the other hand I've seen remarks from atheists that were well beyond anything that can be used in discussion...

It's an interesting experience for me, as in real-life I never met people half as fanatic. Just don't take it personal...

No, no, see, they just hate the Christians that don't renounce their Church's ignorance and acknowledge they need to be saved by the enlightened.

:rolleyes:

I dont think there is too much hate towards christians in the boards. I just think that both sides when they get pissy eventually make remarks like this one which just in turn pisses off the other side and they start to get into a shoving match. That or some people are just trolling pretending to have a certain viewpoint. It is amazing how many people will just pretend to present an extreme viewpoint just to get their kicks from people getting angry at it.

Dear Fenrisian Monks, First off, hello and welcome! I consider myself a devout Christian. Some already have labeled me an extreme fundamentalist, that's fine too. You see, I never let anyone anger me to the point of disrespect and namecalling. However, no matter how I express myself, there are some that will start accusing me of being intolerant, pompous and bigoted, although, I am simply responding to an anti-Christian thread that they created (lol). Go figure! I prefer to call it bringing things into balance. Sometimes I'm on a thread, and I am greatly outnumbered, and can't always respond to everyone. But when I do, I smother them with brotherly love. Eventually, after a few exchanges of views, they get fed up, tired or even frustrated when they fail at getting me upset. I use scripture or whatever else I feel is necesary to defend my case. Some just mock you, with the intention of upseting you. That's fun for them.

The other thing that you innitially stated, was why there are so many anti-Christian threads. I agree with you 100%. I think that I have seen a ratio of 75%-25% in favor of anti-Christian threads. And they call me intolerent! The reason this might be, is that this site has many more secularists than people of faith, as I have seen thus far.

Lastly, if you made a search of how many Christian/Religious threads I have started, you will find not a one. I only participate in other peoples threads that are attacking and mocking my faith. Not because I'm mad, but because I want to see what their gripe might be. I then go on to post my view, and that's when they all seem to come out of the woodwork to try and discredit, annoy and humiliate me. I usually tell them that their words have no power whatsoever over me. I then go on to post and continue debating my view, while increasingly smothering them with love with each new post. Usually, after 20 minutes at most, they simply leave.

GOD bless!

As a virtual athiest, the problem with many Christians, certainly not all, is that once religion is brought up, they have a "you're wrong, I'm right" stance on absolutely everything and can never be changed thus making debating nearly impossible. The problem with the Christian rights groups leading this country is that they are trying to force their ideals onto people who don't adopt them thus making us (non devout Christians) sort of angry, and for some reason, we feel like we must vent steam on hardcore Christians here. I know it sounds stupid, but that's what seems like is happening.

First off, do you even read your own posts?? If you did then you would see that YOU were the one that brought up the subject of conversion, not me, I only answered you.

Excuse me??? Unless I'm terribly mistaken, you were the one who started this thread - not me. I was answering you.

All christians do not go on and on, thats just a generalisation based on one or two of the afore mentioned 'fanatics'. And whose is the character flaw?

While it is obviously true that all Christians do not go on and on, I would hardly limit this behavior to one or two fanatics - most Christians I know do this, and it's horribly obnoxious. The anti-Christianity you are seeing here is an equal and opposite reaction to the rabid Christianity so prevalent in forums such as these. Where's the mystery? It's perfectly natural and to be expected, really.

Why am i ridiculous? Because i have religous views? Fine if that how it works your a freakin moron for not beleving what i do. There happy you say christians act like that i will then
You do act like that all the time
Its not only your views but your presentation and attitude that makes some of the stuff you post way over the top

Not to mention the fact that we seem to know more about the religion you profess to have faith in then you do

Why do so many people care? I'm a fairly conservative Catholic and I hope that my God blesses you and your God blesses me. Then we're both blessed, twice. Cause we probably need it. :)

Why do so many people care? I'm a fairly conservative Catholic and I hope that my God blesses you and your God blesses me. Then we're both blessed, twice. Cause we probably need it. :)
Because when we get into discussions on things like homosexual marriage some peoples only defense is their faith

When you propose keeping inequality and your reasoning is solely based on one thing (religion) you better be prepared to have that “reason” (religion) dissected and argued over.
(We do the same arguing over written or viewed sources too but no one seems to pay attention to that because it is not a personal “belief”)

The majority of this forum is not anti-Christian.

Most often anger is expressed at Christians when they appear to people as trying to force their religion on others... (Seperation of Church and State, Abortion Laws, Gay Marriage, etc etc etc)

Here's the thing: You don't notice many of the people who aren't anti-Christian (or devout Christians, for that matter) themselves because they don't make a big deal about it. The people who are extremely anti-christian are probably going to post more on the subject than other people.

Just my general impression here:

I'm Christian, and I really haven't seen more than maybe 2 or 3 explicitly anti-Christian threads in this forum in the last few months. So I find the accusation puzzling to say the least.

I have seen, however, a large number of threads questioning Christianity, argueing its virutes, debating its directions, scrutinizing its roots, analysing its teachings, taking a close look at it from every angle possible.

In those threads, there were Christians, Agnostics and Atheists largely. There were a number of trolls on both sides, giving the other side abuse and trying to ridicule it.

Overall, as a Christian, I take the number of threads about religious topics as a positive sign, as it shows how many people actually care and have an opinion about religion. If you feel that discussing religion and taking a close look at its negative aspects is anit-Christian, then, yes, I guess these threads were. But I can't agree with that view.

Its also the "cool" thing to do on the internet nowadays.


Well could it also be that Christians figured out "Hey we can "reach" more people on the Net. Go evangalise lads! Save souls!"


Christianity is really just the new complaining post really. And due to certain... Political figures, some who were less rabid, now treat all christians like throwbacks to the past ages. Youd think christians were still trying to take over the world.

Well in the case of the Americans?
- Church State seperation is under attack
- Gay rights are fought tooth and nail
- Tax money is now going to Churches
- Churches are now openly politicing from the pulpet.
- Christian Morality is becoming a requirement for aid(ie you have too teach abstinance if you want aids money Africa).

hmmmm


In either case, you cant expect anything but hostility from the anti-christians, because they come ready to argue with extremists and fundies and when they dont find that in someone they will tend to use the "your religion has alot to answer for" thing.

Seems reasonable when you basically hear my religion is better then everybody elses.


Which is like saying that something my religion did 300 years ago is somehow your fault. Just like you cant expect much common sense from the extremists, most anti-christians fall into the extremist category wether they admit it or not (not all mind you so be careful before attacking them). The whole labelling yourself as anti-christian is pretty extreme as it is. Theres a difference between not likign something and flat out making yourself an opponent of such. Thats the internet nowadays and if it bothers you that badly then do what I do and just dont bother reading most forums.


Well it goes both ways. Challenge anything Christian and you are labeled Anti-Chrisitian and want to oppress the Religion. Especially when you stand in the way of them of letting them preech to our children in the classroom. Disallow their idols from being planted everywhere.....



And for the record, Im a raised roman catholic turned pagan turned agnostic. So Ive run the field here.

Ahh a fellow RC. I basically stopped the Church thing over the Chruch's handling of the pedophile priests.....

Dear Fenrisian Monks, First off, hello and welcome! I consider myself a devout Christian. Some already have labeled me an extreme fundamentalist, that's fine too. You see, I never let anyone anger me to the point of disrespect and namecalling. However, no matter how I express myself, there are some that will start accusing me of being intolerant, pompous and bigoted, although, I am simply responding to an anti-Christian thread that they created (lol). Go figure! I prefer to call it bringing things into balance. Sometimes I'm on a thread, and I am greatly outnumbered, and can't always respond to everyone. But when I do, I smother them with brotherly love. Eventually, after a few exchanges of views, they get fed up, tired or even frustrated when they fail at getting me upset. I use scripture or whatever else I feel is necesary to defend my case. Some just mock you, with the intention of upseting you. That's fun for them.

The other thing that you innitially stated, was why there are so many anti-Christian threads. I agree with you 100%. I think that I have seen a ratio of 75%-25% in favor of anti-Christian threads. And they call me intolerent! The reason this might be, is that this site has many more secularists than people of faith, as I have seen thus far.

Lastly, if you made a search of how many Christian/Religious threads I have started, you will find not a one. I only participate in other peoples threads that are attacking and mocking my faith. Not because I'm mad, but because I want to see what their gripe might be. I then go on to post my view, and that's when they all seem to come out of the woodwork to try and discredit, annoy and humiliate me. I usually tell them that their words have no power whatsoever over me. I then go on to post and continue debating my view, while increasingly smothering them with love with each new post. Usually, after 20 minutes at most, they simply leave.

GOD bless!

It's not that you are winning. Many people have realized that you are saying things to get a responce and have started ignoring you.

I am fairly new to this forum but I have already seen an afwul lot of what can only be described as anti-Christian threads. Why is this? Is this a common thing on any internet based forum or just here? I am a Christian b ut I don't go laying into other peoples religions or beliefs so why do so many other people feel the need to?
Just curious....

The converse could also be asked. Why are there so many threads refering to non-Christians as Paganistic Bigot's.

Just my general impression here:

I'm Christian, and I really haven't seen more than maybe 2 or 3 explicitly anti-Christian threads in this forum in the last few months. So I find the accusation puzzling to say the least.

I have seen, however, a large number of threads questioning Christianity, argueing its virutes, debating its directions, scrutinizing its roots, analysing its teachings, taking a close look at it from every angle possible.

In those threads, there were Christians, Agnostics and Atheists largely. There were a number of trolls on both sides, giving the other side abuse and trying to ridicule it.

Overall, as a Christian, I take the number of threads about religious topics as a positive sign, as it shows how many people actually care and have an opinion about religion. If you feel that discussing religion and taking a close look at its negative aspects is anit-Christian, then, yes, I guess these threads were. But I can't agree with that view.
It is a major question (is there or is there a god and if so which one is right) that has some supposed massive consequences (eternal life ... waisting life) we absolutly should be learing and figuring out as much as we possibly can about this massive decision

It is a major question (is there or is there a god and if so which one is right) that has some supposed massive consequences (eternal life ... waisting life) we absolutly should be learing and figuring out as much as we possibly can about this massive decision

I heartily agree, but then I'm just a heretic ;) (gnostic christian)