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For the poor, baby seals.

http://www.boycott-canada.com/

Make sure you watch the video (http://www.boycott-canada.com/BoycottCanada.mpg)

Oh the Seal-anity!!! (http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=realimpact/hsus/e-community/seal-hunt-press-conference.wmv&type=wmv) :(

Excellent. Any other suckers?

In my case it is the government subsidies to Bombadier. (Stuff the seals)

Meh. Unless you're a vegan, you are a complete hypocrite in boycotting anything associated with cruelty towards animals.

For the poor, baby seals.

http://www.boycott-canada.com/

Make sure you watch the video (http://www.boycott-canada.com/BoycottCanada.mpg)

Oh the Seal-anity!!! (http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=realimpact/hsus/e-community/seal-hunt-press-conference.wmv&type=wmv) :(

Am I a bad person for laughing at this?

I'm sorry... but this is just horrible.

Yes, I am most likely a liberal tree-hugging environmental hippie for saying this, but I don't care. That was so frickin sick... how they killed those seals. The least they could do is give the seals a merciful and relatively painless death. But no... these people need to stick to "tradition"...

:mad: Well you know what? Tradition be damned! They have the technology now. They can make it quick and painless, so why not?

Sigh... excuse me... I get passionate when it comes to these things... but the least they could do to the seals is give them more humane deaths...

http://www.evenmonkeys.org/swift/images/blamecanada.jpg
blame canada!

What is the product from butchered seals? I am missing what the purpose is.

What is the product from butchered seals? I am missing what the purpose is.
Fur coats I think. Hell, if they're not endangered I don't see a problem.

Seal products are actually a rather large industry in many other parts of the world, and about 5% of the provincial economy comes from the seal hunts. Of course, that means about 95% comes from commercial fishing, hunting, agriculture (what there is of it) and anyhow, the Canadian Veterinary MEdical association has ruled that only about 2% of all seals are actually killed inhumanely. So, unless you've been putting money towards seal products in the past, do you think we're really going to care about one person boycotting the canadian fishing industry? And as for shooting them, do you have any idea how much money seal hunters stand to lose from shooting an animal? 2$ for every bullet hole or mark on the pelt not naturally-occurring. Taken out of their paycheque, if I understand the process correctly. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't support this. I think all seals killed should at least be over a year in age, and I think we should use the meat, but its not enough to really infuriate me.

Am I a bad person for laughing at this?
Yes. We all are. But we'll die laughing nevertheless. ^_^

Seal products are actually a rather large industry in many other parts of the world, and about 5% of the provincial economy comes from the seal hunts. Of course, that means about 95% comes from commercial fishing, hunting, agriculture (what there is of it) and anyhow, the Canadian Veterinary MEdical association has ruled that only about 2% of all seals are actually killed inhumanely. So, unless you've been putting money towards seal products in the past, do you think we're really going to care about one person boycotting the canadian fishing industry? And as for shooting them, do you have any idea how much money seal hunters stand to lose from shooting an animal? 2$ for every bullet hole or mark on the pelt not naturally-occurring. Taken out of their paycheque, if I understand the process correctly. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't support this. I think all seals killed should at least be over a year in age, and I think we should use the meat, but its not enough to really infuriate me.

Thanks. This is a subject I know very little about.

Average people dont like to see this. Or whaling, or hundreds of dead dolphins on a Japanese beach.

What is the product from butchered seals?
FUN!

It's really neat to beat a seal to death with a club. Sometimes, I don't even use the club, but just use my bare hands instead.

"Here, here.. Got a fish for you! Oh, you kyoot, widdle sea-ew!"

*suckerpunch*

It's also good for paternal bonding, and teaching children how the world works: Either you're strong and ruthlessly violent, or you are brutally murdered.

Either you're strong and ruthlessly violent, or you are brutally murdered.
Why is it that violence is the answer to the world's problems? Whatever happened to talking about your problems? Or love? What in the hell happened to THAT?

I may be naive for this, but why is it people think violence is the answer?

Why is it that violence is the answer to the world's problems? Whatever happened to talking about your problems? Or love? What in the hell happened to THAT?
What kind of fucking hippie TALKS to a seal?

You want to love a seal? Go live in the Netherlands, where that kind of stuff is legal.

What kind of fucking hippie TALKS to a seal?

You want to love a seal? Go live in the Netherlands, where that kind of stuff is legal.
...I just lost hope for all humanity...

What kind of fucking hippie TALKS to a seal?

You want to love a seal? Go live in the Netherlands, where that kind of stuff is legal.


LMMFAO. Heheheh now I can see an Anti-Netherlands thread being started. :D

Whatever happened to talking about your problems? Or love?

I may be naive?


When did we ever talk about our problems? I remember no such thing, and so far as I can tell, talking is where the problems begin.

Yeah and boycott the UK as well, and why not most of the US, hell hundreds of foxes and rebbits are slaughted up here everyear, not to mention to cattle in the US....Meh, the seals would do it to us if they had the chance.

I'm sorry... but this is just horrible.

Yes, I am most likely a liberal tree-hugging environmental hippie for saying this, but I don't care. That was so frickin sick... how they killed those seals. The least they could do is give the seals a merciful and relatively painless death. But no... these people need to stick to "tradition"...

:mad: Well you know what? Tradition be damned! They have the technology now. They can make it quick and painless, so why not?

Sigh... excuse me... I get passionate when it comes to these things... but the least they could do to the seals is give them more humane deaths...
Um, the blow with the club is quick and painless.

...foxes and rebbits are slaughted


Mmmm...rebbits

I'm sorry... but this is just horrible.

Yes, I am most likely a liberal tree-hugging environmental hippie for saying this, but I don't care. That was so frickin sick... how they killed those seals. The least they could do is give the seals a merciful and relatively painless death. But no... these people need to stick to "tradition"...

:mad: Well you know what? Tradition be damned! They have the technology now. They can make it quick and painless, so why not?

Sigh... excuse me... I get passionate when it comes to these things... but the least they could do to the seals is give them more humane deaths...

Well put.

Ugh, stop right now. The ONLY reason this gets so much attention is because people think seals are cute, and it sickens me. DON'T talk about animal cruelty. Unless they're going to shoot them at point blank range, which is very difficult to do, the blow to the head is the best way to go, because they're unconsious before death. As opposed to EVERY other animal that is hunted, where hunters often shoot at long distance, and the animals suffer for a long time before dying. If anything, this less cruel then the majority of hunting techniques.

Joseph, no offence, but you seem the type that this website is aimed at. The type of person that can just read one obviously quite biased website and automatically form an opinion. Im sure if someone posted that iFeminist link from another thread here you'd be all over those "Damn feminists and their inequalities! What happened to the love!?"

Please, look deeper into these matters, and remember. Everytime you enjoy a piece of bread, remember all the mice, rabbits, golphers, etc, that got sucked into the wheat thresher for your mere sustainment.

Um, the blow with the club is quick and painless.
I doubt that. I REALLY do. Not every blow is perfect and on the mark.

As a strong conservative, I have other reasons to boycot canada, like their control over the media, and harboring U.S. army deserters, who signed up for the armed forces, and say that we have no right to send them into a war. Its one thing if you got drafted, but if you signed up, and then to be welcome in canada.

Ugh, stop right now. The ONLY reason this gets so much attention is because people think seals are cute, and it sickens me. DON'T talk about animal cruelty. Unless they're going to shoot them at point blank range, which is very difficult to do, the blow to the head is the best way to go, because they're unconsious before death. As opposed to EVERY other animal that is hunted, where hunters often shoot at long distance, and the animals suffer for a long time before dying. If anything, this less cruel then the majority of hunting techniques.
Come on, there's GOT to be a better, less painful way of killing these seals. Maybe tranquilizing them and THEN killing them. I wouldn't argue with that. (I wouldn't like it, but I realize it'd be the best way for them to go)

Yeah and boycott the UK as well, and why not most of the US, hell hundreds of foxes and rebbits are slaughted up here everyear, not to mention to cattle in the US....Meh, the seals would do it to us if they had the chance.
Very good point.

And besides, not all Canadians endorse it anyway; many of us hate the idea and would prefer to leave our sealions to froilic freely and smoke a J instead. ;)

funny, the people in the video are actually work for Boycott canada. They brutally kill the seals to create brutal images to shock the world.

there's a sucker born ever minute.

Come on, there's GOT to be a better, less painful way of killing these seals. Maybe tranquilizing them and THEN killing them. I wouldn't argue with that. (I wouldn't like it, but I realize it'd be the best way for them to go)

Not only is that impractical and costly, but in practice wouldn't work very well. A tranquilizer takes time to take effect. Any seals who escaped after being shot with a tranquilizer would likely drown after trying to go underwater.

Joseph, no offence, but you seem the type that this website is aimed at. The type of person that can just read one obviously quite biased website and automatically form an opinion. Im sure if someone posted that iFeminist link from another thread here you'd be all over those "Damn feminists and their inequalities! What happened to the love!?"

Please, look deeper into these matters, and remember. Everytime you enjoy a piece of bread, remember all the mice, rabbits, golphers, etc, that got sucked into the wheat thresher for your mere sustainment.
Not really. See, I have a strong love for animals, and thus I feel sickened when I see an animal suffer. I realize this does not go for all killings, but the ones I see are very disgusting.

As for the feminists... my opinion would be, "Just give them equal rights to shut them up" and that's it. I really don't care that much about feminists as I do animals.

And yes, I DO remember those animals that are accidently sucked into the wheat thresher. I do think that people should prevent that, but I realize that those are accidents, not blatant killing. The clubbing of seals, on the other hand, is intentional, and in my opinion, disgusting.

Not only is that impractical and costly, but in practice wouldn't work very well. A tranquilizer takes time to take effect. Any seals who escaped after being shot with a tranquilizer would likely drown after trying to go underwater.
You're probably right. But I still stick with my original statement. There has to be a better way. There's almost ALWAYS a better way.

FUN!

*suckerpunch*

That's MY job, there!

>POW<!




Maximillian Whackernutz
Grand Poobah For Life and Supreme Monkey Wrench of Sucker Punch

I doubt that. I REALLY do. Not every blow is perfect and on the mark.
You're right. I'm sure one or two out of every two or three dozen requires a second blow to accomplish death. Still, the animal would be unconscious.

You're right. I'm sure one or two out of every two or three dozen requires a second blow to accomplish death. Still, the animal would be unconscious.
... you're probably right... I suppose I shouldn't get so worked up about it unless the seal is being hunted to extinction. THEN I will become a raving animal rights lunatic. ;)

The banning of the seal hunt is mostly liberal nonsense.

I quote the person who had the statistic whereby seal hunting was 5% of the local economy. Does that take into account that when there are MORE SEALS, there are LESS FISH TO CATCH? The higher seal populations as a result of the taboo of the hunt is crippling the Maritime fishing industry, and causing a danger of overfishing from humans AND seals.

I guarantee you that ANY blow to the skull with a club doesn't have to be "on the mark" to cause instant unconsciousness. It isn't an exact science. If I were to bash any one of YOU with a club used on a seal, you'd be out with a concussion and no memory of what transpired. A club is much better on the animal than a long-range bullet or other methods of killing seals.

Fuck world opinion. The resto f the world doesn't live where the seals live, and doesn't see the efect of large seal populations on local industry. They see us slaughtering "cute little cuddly seals", and you all knee-jerk without even thinking about it.

Canada doesn't bitch about the things that most other countries do on their own land, so you "world opinioners" can piss off with your knee-jerk, ill-informed tripe.

If you want to do something about the seal hunt, then DO SOMETHING about it, and stop trying to bring down all of Canada. What percentage of the population actually participates in hunting seals? Do the subsiudies for the seal industry come from federal, local, or provincial governments?

If provincial, then boycott the province, and make everyone in those provinces EVEN POORER ANDM ORE DEPENDANT THAN THEY ALREADY ARE. That'll help. And how.

Instead of "making a statement" by getting all indignant over ap ractice that you know little-to-nothing about, go out and get an education on the issue and actually bring measures before your mayor, premier, MP, or Prime Minister. And if you don't know what any of those terms mean, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I doubt that. I REALLY do. Not every blow is perfect and on the mark.
So, have the Canadian government open "clubbing alleys", where they can get target practice and have regulations requiring clubs to be of a certain size, and made of steel.

As a strong conservative, I have other reasons to boycot canada, like their control over the media, and harboring U.S. army deserters, who signed up for the armed forces, and say that we have no right to send them into a war. Its one thing if you got drafted, but if you signed up, and then to be welcome in canada.
Uhhh.. They aren't harboring anyone. Being a strong Conservative, you are strongly ignorant. Canada's shipping that one deserter back, but it's the Liberals up there that are bitching. And Canada passed a new law, recently, preventing any U.S. soldiers from trying to take refuge in Canada.

As for their "control over the media", I don't know what you're talking about. The Tom Green Show on MTV and "Oh Canada!" on Cartoon Network were cancelled years ago. Not to mention Rocky and Bullwinkle (aren't they Canadian?). And I can't think of a single newscaster who says 'Eh' after asking a question. If you're suggesting that there's some kind of Liberal, Canadian Media Conspiracy, then Click the Start button-->Click Run-->Type "cmd"-->Press enter-->Type "format life"-->Press enter.

Then buy a seal costume and sit out on a glacier, in the Canadian ocean.

Come on, there's GOT to be a better, less painful way of killing these seals. Maybe tranquilizing them and THEN killing them. I wouldn't argue with that. (I wouldn't like it, but I realize it'd be the best way for them to go)
Well, they could always harpoon them, of course, but that would damage the fur...

I think swords would be a neat idea, too. I mean, that's how the Samurais did it. Oh, wait, I know. Suffocation. They could probably design a contraption that would... Wait, what are we trying to do with seal-killing again?

Yeah. Doing it humanely. Frankly, giving seals lawyers, trials by jury, and years for those SCUM-BAGS to SUCK UP OUR TAX-DOLLARS waiting for their appeals on death-row... I really don't think lethal injection is the answer. How about domesticating seals? You know. They could put them in an assembly line in a dark factory, then scramble their brains with that electric-spear thingie they kill cows with. Because, really, what are seals, but just SEA COWS?

It could be great for the economy, too. Seal Beef. "Seef. The blubber white meat."

Remember, this is a VERY deceptive video. They showed three little bits of seal hunting. One of them was a seal being killed instantly by a piece of wood. The only reason they cut it off so fast is because they dont want you to see that the seal actually died in a elatively painless way. The second one was, I'll admit, quite brutal. But remember, this certainly isn't the norm. Not only that, but it's not different from hunting in the forest, where say, a moose would be still alive while being put on a truck. The third was quite funny. Two seal corpses, and then they made a whole bunch of lights flash to make it look creepy. If you took ANY animal and arranged it's corpse the right way you could do that. If anything, Canadians should be boycotting the US seafood (I think it's the US), because people often kill dolphins while hunting for tuna. (Dolphins being some the most aware and intelligent animals on the planet).

funny, the people in the video are actually work for Boycott canada. They brutally kill the seals to create brutal images to shock the world.

there's a sucker born ever minute.

I suddenly feel the need to point this out. How can you claim to be against the suffering of animals, and then go kill a seal and skin it while it is dying and making horrible noises, and then use that as an argument against doing it professionally? Oh yeah, reactionaries from every stripe will not take the time to look at things like that.

WAIT, I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!

Pay scientists to genetically engineer "ugly" seals. Because animal rights activists never give a shit about ugly animals... So just design some ugly seals, that way, you could pimpclub them all you want, without anyone bitching at you.

... you're probably right... I suppose I shouldn't get so worked up about it unless the seal is being hunted to extinction. THEN I will become a raving animal rights lunatic. ;)
It's nice that you have a big heart, but really, the Inuit hunt these animals for food and clothing. Their tradition wastes none of the animal. They do not sell the pelts, they wear them. More southerly tribes and "white" folk also hunt the animal, and some do sell pelts, because they have to survive in the more civilized parts of Canada. Wasteful hunting happens, but that's true of any kind of hunting. There are also government-sponsored hunts for the purpose of culling the animals, that are no different than culling wolves, bears or other animals whose population have reached a certain level that infringes on mankind's communities. The government puts quotas on how many animals can safely be hunted without endangering the species. The Government of Canada takes preservation of species very seriously (dispite what certain wildlife groups canvassing for donations would have you believe).

I didn't look at the website, just the video. There was a single-blow kill, and lots of blood. Well, blood happens when carcasses are cut up for meat. My brother is a meat-cutter by profession, so I'm used to the idea that what I buy at the grocery store was once on the hoof. It's not horrific to me.

I'm just rambling now.

I despise Canada even more after this. Seals are living beings. I say the UK and US invade and split the territory between the two of them. Canada's not even a real country anyway!

The banning of the seal hunt is mostly liberal nonsense.
It has nothing to do with liberalism. It is about compassion.

OMFG, listen to yourselves! How can people care more about some seals dieing than civilians getting their heads cut off with rusty knives by Islamo-fascists chanting to Allah in Iraq? You animal rights activists need to get your priorities in line.

So, have the Canadian government open "clubbing alleys", where they can get target practice and have regulations requiring clubs to be of a certain size, and made of steel.


Uhhh.. They aren't harboring anyone. Being a strong Conservative, you are strongly ignorant. Canada's shipping that one deserter back, but it's the Liberals up there that are bitching. And Canada passed a new law, recently, preventing any U.S. soldiers from trying to take refuge in Canada.

As for their "control over the media", I don't know what you're talking about. The Tom Green Show on MTV and "Oh Canada!" on Cartoon Network were cancelled years ago. Not to mention Rocky and Bullwinkle (aren't they Canadian?). And I can't think of a single newscaster who says 'Eh' after asking a question. If you're suggesting that there's some kind of Liberal, Canadian Media Conspiracy, then Click the Start button-->Click Run-->Type "cmd"-->Press enter-->Type "format life"-->Press enter.

Then buy a seal costume and sit out on a glacier, in the Canadian ocean.


Well, they could always harpoon them, of course, but that would damage the fur...

I think swords would be a neat idea, too. I mean, that's how the Samurais did it. Oh, wait, I know. Suffocation. They could probably design a contraption that would... Wait, what are we trying to do with seal-killing again?

Yeah. Doing it humanely. Frankly, giving seals lawyers, trials by jury, and years for those SCUM-BAGS to SUCK UP OUR TAX-DOLLARS waiting for their appeals on death-row... I really don't think lethal injection is the answer. How about domesticating seals? You know. They could put them in an assembly line in a dark factory, then scramble their brains with that electric-spear thingie they kill cows with. Because, really, what are seals, but just SEA COWS?

It could be great for the economy, too. Seal Beef. "Seef. The blubber white meat."... ok. You can stop now. I realized I was too quick to jump on the Canadians, and I aplogize for doing so.

I despise Canada even more after this. Seals are living beings.
So are cows.

(I know; you're just trolling.)

For the poor, baby seals.

http://www.boycott-canada.com/

Make sure you watch the video (http://www.boycott-canada.com/BoycottCanada.mpg)

Oh the Seal-anity!!! (http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=realimpact/hsus/e-community/seal-hunt-press-conference.wmv&type=wmv) :(


I read this, thought it was a joke, went to the website, and still thought it was a joke, then I watched the video.

Are you freakin' canucks outta ya evah-luvin' minds?!!

No, its not because seals are cute, I happen to think those big brown eyes are kinda creepy. Its because its gawl-darned CRUEL thats why it bothers me. This is unacceptable.

Besides, Cows ARE cute.. (especially baby cows, nasty ol' veal)

Incidentally, I'm not Vegan, but I do try to pay my respects before I eat the animal that gave its life for me to be sustained. I do what I can (which admittedly isn't much) to try to encourage the various slaughter-houses to use more humane methods (though the current 'bullet to the head' standard seems to be working pretty well, the 'guillotine' method isn't bad either).

Am I a hypocrite? In this and a number of other things.
But I'm ok with that. I don't want to stop eating meat, I just want them to be more humane about how they kill the critters.

Um... Isate... since when is the hunting of Seals worse than what the United States and the UK have done?

I despise Canada even more after this. Seals are living beings. I say the UK and US invade and split the territory between the two of them. Canada's not even a real country anyway!

Cows, fish, bears, deer, pigs, chickens, fruits, and vegetables are all living beings. What is your point?

If you had an all-out ban on the seal hjunt, many First Nations communities that RELY ON SEALS TO SURVIVE would STARVE AND FREEZE TO DEATH. Are you ready for the ramifications of that?

You should be more disgusted of this website; http://www.savetoby.com/

You should be more disgusted of this website; http://www.savetoby.com/
Yes... I remember that website. THAT is disgusting and cruel. Someone hand me a shotgun. I want to shoot that guy's balls.

That we can agree on.

Anyone that is stupid enough to send him money however...

ZOMG! TAG for putting the last two posts on the first page in my sig later...

[QUOTE=Riptide Monzarc]I suddenly feel the need to point this out. How can you claim to be against the suffering of animals, and then go kill a seal and skin it while it is dying and making horrible noises, and then use that as an argument against doing it professionally? [QUOTE]


it's called hypocrisy.

If you don't have gory footage, you can't convince people to agree. And if you can't get that footage, you make it. This wouldn't be the first time it's been done.

notice how the people who kill the seals have their faces concealed.

[QUOTE=Willamena]Um, the blow with the club is quick and painless.[/QUO

yeah if the guy wielding the club is Arnold Schwarzenegger........

Isn't it strange that they always show the same footage, which is years old?

Oh, and it looks so evil, all this blood on the snow. Perfect psychological effect.

And how about the fact that there is a seal over-population, and that their numbers keep rising, year after year? There are millions of them, from Quebec to Labrador.

And that only MATURE animals are killed? (Despite that "baby seal killing" thing the reporters keep repeating year after year.)

So yeah, keep eating your chicken salad, wearing your leather shoes, and using your beauty cream (which is probably based on animal proteins). It's all sooo much more acceptable.

Here are some MUCH more acceptable practices:
- force-feeding geese until their liver is 50% their body weight
- whale hunting
- killing less cute, but endangered animals, such as sturgeons and sea turtles
- draining swamps (wild animal refuges) to build new housing projects

For the poor, baby seals.

http://www.boycott-canada.com/

Make sure you watch the video (http://www.boycott-canada.com/BoycottCanada.mpg)

Oh the Seal-anity!!! (http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=realimpact/hsus/e-community/seal-hunt-press-conference.wmv&type=wmv) :(

Man, im gonna grab a gun and shoot the hunters. It's ruining Canada's image!

For the poor, baby seals.

http://www.boycott-canada.com/

Make sure you watch the video (http://www.boycott-canada.com/BoycottCanada.mpg)

Oh the Seal-anity!!! (http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=realimpact/hsus/e-community/seal-hunt-press-conference.wmv&type=wmv) :(


Good. Make sure you close the door on your way out.

We neeed less seals, not more.

In any healthy debate, it's good to have facts/opinions from both sides.
So here is the Canadian Government's view on the subject:
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/infocus/2005/20050316_e.htm

For anyone who likes the comic, Red Meat.

http://monkeydyne.com/rmcs/opencomic.phtml?rowid=83007