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Pat Robertson - A good man?

Jocabia
30-06-2005, 22:19
It was suggested to me in another thread that Pat Robertson may very well be a good man despite his horrendous statements on television and in print because he might be good in his private life. In my view he's a liar, a bigot and a fraud (thou shalt not judge, thou shalt not kill, etc). If anyone would like to step up and defend him, feel free.

If Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody.... This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God's people will emerge victorious.

Okay, so he wants a bloody revolution. Next?

A Supreme Court ruling is not the Law of the United States. The law of the United Sates is the Constitution, treaties made in accordance with the Constitution, and laws duly enacted by the Congress and signed by the president. And any of those things I would uphold totally with all of my strength, whether I agreed with them or not.... I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states ... [but] I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party.... I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts.... They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose.

The Supreme Court which is created by the Constitution to prevent unconstitutional laws should be ignored but the Congress also created by the Constitution should respect the Constitution but not the Supreme Court created by it. Does this make any sense to anyone?

Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him.

I never said that in my life ... I never said only Christians and Jews. I never said that.

Whoops, look who's caught in a lie.

When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. "What do you mean?" the media challenged me. "You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?" My simple answer is, "Yes, they are."

If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality.... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering.... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice.

It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our] institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation.

Did he just say that it's time to fumigate (kill) the current leaders of our country and replace them Christian leaders? I must have read wrong. He wouldn't say such a thing.

The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.


N.O.W. is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian.

God's pattern is for men to be the leaders, both in the church and in the family... "Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them."

I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period.

Okay, yep, I misjudged the man. He is all about reason and fairness. What was I thinking considering him a bad man?

Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals -- the two things seem to go together.

Many observers say that AIDS is the hammer and gun of the homosexual movement, an effective vehicle to propel the homosexual agenda throughout every phase of our society.

I have known few homosexuals who did not practice their tendencies. Such people are sinning against God and will lead to the ultimate destruction of the family and our nation. I am unalterably opposed to such things, and will do everything I can to restrict the freedom of these people to spread their contagious infection to the youth of our nation.

It's one thing to say, "We have rights to jobs ... we have rights to be left alone in out little corner of the world to do our thing." It's an entirely different thing to say, well, "We're not only going to go into the schools and we're going to take your children and your grandchildren and turn them into homosexuals." Now that's wrong.

I think "one man, one vote," just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights.

To see Americans become followers of Islam is nothing short of insanity.... The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers.

Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.

How does one make up for teaching these kinds of things by being a good father or husband?
Dobbsworld
30-06-2005, 23:43
How does one make up for teaching these kinds of things by being a good father or husband?

As far as I'm concerned, Jocabia, one does not. It's a life of stark imbalance that Mr. Robertson has embraced. If only he'd chosen to devote himself to the latter, foregoing his bilious career.
Jocabia
30-06-2005, 23:45
As far as I'm concerned, Jocabia, one does not. It's a life of stark imbalance that Mr. Robertson has embraced. If only he'd chosen to devote himself to the latter, foregoing his bilious career.

I agree but I'm starting to think no one cares.
Swimmingpool
30-06-2005, 23:45
I think that every one of those quotes is evil. But I'm not ready to condemn him as an evil man for two reasons:

1. Support for drop the debt campaigns.

2. They're just word. He's not physically attacking atheists is he?
Neo Rogolia
30-06-2005, 23:47
You're putting Pat Robertson quotes up on a predominantly liberal forum....*dives out of the way of the turkey shoot*
The Black Forrest
30-06-2005, 23:48
You're putting Pat Robertson quotes up on a predominantly liberal forum....*dives out of the way of the turkey shoot*

:rolleyes:
Jocabia
30-06-2005, 23:49
I think that every one of those quotes is evil. But I'm not ready to condemn him as an evil man for two reasons:

1. Support for drop the debt campaigns.

2. They're just word. He's not physically attacking atheists is he?

That's actually how this conversation started on another thread. I don't think the fact that he does a few piddly good things combats the fact that he teaches people to hate arabs, muslims, gays, lesbians, feminists, SCOTUS, et al. As I said in the other thread (not comparing Pat to Adolf) Hitler was great for the German economy does that make him a good man? On the scales of good and evil, Pat Robertson tipped towards the latter long ago.
Jocabia
30-06-2005, 23:51
You're putting Pat Robertson quotes up on a predominantly liberal forum....*dives out of the way of the turkey shoot*

I totally disagree that the forums are predominantly liberal. I find many on this forum to look at each issue individually and decide by logic. Don't give in to the idea that those that make the most noise represent the most people. If this were true PR would represent a significantly large portion of the US population. He doesn't.
Swimmingpool
30-06-2005, 23:54
That's actually how this conversation started on another thread. I don't think the fact that he does a few piddly good things combats the fact that he teaches people to hate arabs, muslims, gays, lesbians, feminists, SCOTUS, et al. As I said in the other thread (not comparing Pat to Adolf) Hitler was great for the German economy does that make him a good man? On the scales of good and evil, Pat Robertson tipped towards the latter long ago.
As I said, Robertson's words are just words. Hitler's evils were actions in the form of genocide. It was evil so great that it covered up any good. Theocrat Robertson is small potatoes.
Jocabia
30-06-2005, 23:57
As I said, Robertson's words are just words. Hitler's evils were actions in the form of genocide. It was evil so great that it covered up any good. Theocrat Robertson is small potatoes.

He teaches hate. Hate is never just words. People learn from him and who knows how many have been and will be inspired into actions by him. Some other quotes suggest that blowing up abortion clinics should not be against the law and there should be religious tribunals to decide if God directed such acts. In other words, some people are directed by God to blow up abortion clinics. Those are some dangerous words even if he himself doesn't actually enact them.
Eh-oh
30-06-2005, 23:58
To see Americans become followers of Islam is nothing short of insanity.... The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers.


HAHAHAHAAAA! This one's my fav
Drunk commies deleted
01-07-2005, 00:10
HAHAHAHAAAA! This one's my fav
Well it's partly correct. A percentage of the African slaves brought to the new world were purchased from Muslims that defeated them in battle, and enslaved them. I'm no Pat Robertson fan or anything, but he wasn't completely wrong on that statement.
Swimmingpool
01-07-2005, 00:15
Well it's partly correct. A percentage of the African slaves brought to the new world were purchased from Muslims that defeated them in battle, and enslaved them. I'm no Pat Robertson fan or anything, but he wasn't completely wrong on that statement.
I think his point was the many US Christians including the founders were slave owners.
Dobbsworld
01-07-2005, 00:27
Well it's partly correct. A percentage of the African slaves brought to the new world were purchased from Muslims that defeated them in battle, and enslaved them. I'm no Pat Robertson fan or anything, but he wasn't completely wrong on that statement.

It's also about three hundred years from being a real 'front-burner' issue. Other than to facilitate the taking of gratuitous swipes at competing forms of spirituality in the here and now, there's nothing particularly useful about this info (which I was already aware of).
Paternia
01-07-2005, 00:29
I like him. He's got character.
Calric
01-07-2005, 00:32
I imagine that Ghengis Khan had character, but I wouldn't want him round for dinner...
Dobbsworld
01-07-2005, 00:33
I like him. He's got character.

That's not unlike saying the late Ayatollah Khomeini 'had balls'.
The Black Forrest
01-07-2005, 00:35
I like him. He's got character.


Ewwww a Hitler opening!!!!

Hitler had character too.
Paternia
01-07-2005, 00:37
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our] institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

I love this quote. :D

Godly fumigation just sounds so damn awesome.
The Black Forrest
01-07-2005, 00:40
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our] institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

I love this quote. :D

Godly fumigation just sounds so damn awesome.

Build something?

What were the Christians trying to build with the Crusades and the Inquistion?

How many native cultures were "saved" by the Christians?

Let's not start the founding fathers were all christians again.....
Calric
01-07-2005, 00:43
I still find it sad that I'm a better Christian than Robertson and his ilk, despite being an atheist. Then again, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that Robertson isn't actually a Christian in any meaningful sense.
CthulhuFhtagn
01-07-2005, 00:47
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things,
Guess he's never heard of termite mounds. Robertson is an idiot.
The Noble Men
01-07-2005, 00:51
Pat Robertson.

Top of my shit-list.

It's people like him who make me ashamed to require oxygen like him.
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 00:53
I think his point was the many US Christians including the founders were slave owners.

Did you read the quote?!? He said it's insane to follow the religion of slavers. He's a Christian. If that was his point he was saying he's insane.
CthulhuFhtagn
01-07-2005, 00:58
Did you read the quote?!? He said it's insane to follow the religion of slavers. He's a Christian. If that was his point he was saying he's insane.
He is insane.
The Black Forrest
01-07-2005, 00:59
Guess he's never heard of termite mounds. Robertson is an idiot.

:D Should have brought that up. :D
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 01:03
He is insane.

I agree, but Pat Robertson likely doesn't.
Hyperslackovicznia
01-07-2005, 02:02
This guy shouldn't be allowed on the streets. How can anyone POSSIBLY think that way? What kind of brain damage has he had?! Ugh! Makes me sick...
The Nazz
01-07-2005, 02:29
He's a bigoted, homophobic, unChristian piece of shit. But let me tell you how I really feel about him. :D
Begark
01-07-2005, 02:35
That's not unlike saying the late Ayatollah Khomeini 'had balls'.

Yeah, but you know... if it's true.
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 02:36
I can't believe the biggest defense I've seen is well, he did something good once.
Domici
01-07-2005, 03:03
As I said, Robertson's words are just words. Hitler's evils were actions in the form of genocide. It was evil so great that it covered up any good. Theocrat Robertson is small potatoes.

Hitler's evil started with words. Was he a good man up until someone listened to him? Hitler didn't actually trip any of the gas switches, dig any of the graves, or light up any of the ovens. It was just words. Some of them were written on paper or communicated verbally to military people who then did horrible things.

Pat Robertson ran for president. Are you suggesting that people should listen to his rhetoric and say to themselves "well that's just hate speech, I'm sure he'd be a perfectly reasonable president. And he supports flushing our economy down the toilet by defaulting on our debt."
Domici
01-07-2005, 03:05
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our] institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

I love this quote. :D

Godly fumigation just sounds so damn awesome.

Not to mention embraces the grand old Jahovian tradition of metaphor by ignornace. Hasn't he ever heard of a termite mound? Termites are the most accomplished engineers of the animal kingdom.
Vetalia
01-07-2005, 03:07
Not to mention embraces the grand old Jahovian tradition of metaphor by ignornace. Hasn't he ever heard of a termite mound? Termites are the most accomplished engineers of the animal kingdom.

And their mounds last longer than a lot of human buildings, because they calcify and become immune to water damage.
The Black Forrest
01-07-2005, 03:08
I can't believe the biggest defense I've seen is well, he did something good once.

Hmm?

Was that before or after he became a billionaire? ;)
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 03:11
Hmm?

Was that before or after he became a billionaire? ;)
Yes, that's the scary part. People pay him to hate.
Domici
01-07-2005, 03:11
He's a bigoted, homophobic, unChristian piece of shit. But let me tell you how I really feel about him. :D

And supporter of international war criminals. He criticized Bush for consenting to Charles Taylor being removed as president of Liberia claiming that "a good Christian democraticly elected leader" was being replaced by "muslim warlords."

Turns out that the only reason that he wanted to keep Taylor in office is that he negotiated an illegal gold mining deal with Taylor that violated the terms of the Liberian constitution which stated that such contracts had to go through Congress. If Taylor was ousted, then Robertson feared he'd loose his contract which Taylor gave for a mere 1% of the mine's output. African war criminals are quite often strapped for cash required to hire they're henchmen, so they tend to make a lot of short sighted money deals.

I'm not going to bother citing sources because they're all over the internet. If you're curious just google it.
CthulhuFhtagn
01-07-2005, 03:18
Not to mention embraces the grand old Jahovian tradition of metaphor by ignornace. Hasn't he ever heard of a termite mound? Termites are the most accomplished engineers of the animal kingdom.
I already said that. Damn people stealing my work.
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 03:19
And supporter of international war criminals. He criticized Bush for consenting to Charles Taylor being removed as president of Liberia claiming that "a good Christian democraticly elected leader" was being replaced by "muslim warlords."

Turns out that the only reason that he wanted to keep Taylor in office is that he negotiated an illegal gold mining deal with Taylor that violated the terms of the Liberian constitution which stated that such contracts had to go through Congress. If Taylor was ousted, then Robertson feared he'd loose his contract which Taylor gave for a mere 1% of the mine's output. African war criminals are quite often strapped for cash required to hire they're henchmen, so they tend to make a lot of short sighted money deals.

I'm not going to bother citing sources because they're all over the internet. If you're curious just google it.

Yes, but at least he doesn't actually kill people directly.
Frisbeeteria
01-07-2005, 03:24
Yes, but at least he doesn't actually kill people directly.
Neither do most world leaders, generals, dictators, etc. Yet their followers do, in droves. Is there a requirement that you have to pull the trigger to be the murderer?
BlackKnight_Poet
01-07-2005, 03:27
You're putting Pat Robertson quotes up on a predominantly liberal forum....*dives out of the way of the turkey shoot*
:rolleyes: :headbang: :rolleyes:
The Black Forrest
01-07-2005, 03:31
Yes, but at least he doesn't actually kill people directly.

Yup and neither did Hitler, Stalin, Mao.....

*whoops*

Fris already said something about that.....
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 03:44
Neither do most world leaders, generals, dictators, etc. Yet their followers do, in droves. Is there a requirement that you have to pull the trigger to be the murderer?

I meant that sarcastically. People were on earlier arguing that he's not dangerous because he doesn't directly kill people.
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 05:37
Bada-bump
Americai
01-07-2005, 06:49
He's an idiot only dividing the public and making the war on terror far more difficult than it needs to be. If he really wanted to help, he'd use his air time to get more people to join service, get armored cars quicker with propaganda, and all the other good things Americans did for their country's war effort in WW2.

This guy however is just a plain idiot with a bible. No different than the one's ruling the country they claim to say has it against christians.
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 15:18
Okey-dokey, well, doesn't seem there is anybody to really debate this issue with. Not even the person who originally brought it up.
Robot ninja pirates
01-07-2005, 15:28
The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.

That's my favorite quote. Ever. By anyone.

He should do stand up.
Lyric
01-07-2005, 15:30
Originally Posted by Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, March 18, 1992, suggesting that South African white people's votes ought to count more than other votes because they are in the minority
I think "one man, one vote," just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights.

Hmmm, funny, that. The minoroty deserves it's rights protected when it is a WHITE minoroty....but over here, the minorities (blacks, Hispanics, gays) we should just sit down and shut up, right?

And you forgot another absolutely beautiful quote from this lovely, Godly man...(can you see the sarcarm dripping off that)

In his 1988 book, Pat Robertson actually advocated the rounding up of...and summary execution of...gay people (and, by extension, I assume he feels the same about lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people.) Nice guy, huh?

What a serious piece of shit. Can't wait till he dies.
Lyric
01-07-2005, 15:34
That's actually how this conversation started on another thread. I don't think the fact that he does a few piddly good things combats the fact that he teaches people to hate arabs, muslims, gays, lesbians, feminists, SCOTUS, et al. As I said in the other thread (not comparing Pat to Adolf) Hitler was great for the German economy does that make him a good man? On the scales of good and evil, Pat Robertson tipped towards the latter long ago.

Of course he teaches people to hate them. Do you not remember in the week after 9/11 how he blamed 9/11 on the enemies of his own choosing...the gays, the femininsts, the ACLU, the People For The American Way...etc? Remember that? He actually blamed liberals, feminists, and gays for 9/11...rather than the terrorists that actually carried it out.

This man is a severe political opportunist, and his vehicle for propelling himself is hatred. Some christian. More like a piece of shit.

Again, he's a waste of skin, a waste of oxygen, and I can't wait until that fucker dies.
Jeruselem
01-07-2005, 15:36
Don't like the guy, but prefer him to Fred Phelps.
Lyric
01-07-2005, 15:42
Don't like the guy, but prefer him to Fred Phelps.

I don't. At least most people KNOW Phelps is a nutcase. A lot of people actually think Robertson is a good guy, and that makes him far more dangerous than Phelps.

Phelps is a fart in the wind. and now, with Phelps protesting military funerals for God-knows-what reason, he's lost even more credibility.

Phelps is a wanna-be who just shot himself in the foot.
Robertson is a very dangerous man...partly because many do not know that he is a raving lunatic. At least most people KNOW Phelps is a raving lunatic.
Jeruselem
01-07-2005, 15:49
I don't. At least most people KNOW Phelps is a nutcase. A lot of people actually think Robertson is a good guy, and that makes him far more dangerous than Phelps.

Phelps is a fart in the wind. and now, with Phelps protesting military funerals for God-knows-what reason, he's lost even more credibility.

Phelps is a wanna-be who just shot himself in the foot.
Robertson is a very dangerous man...partly because many do not know that he is a raving lunatic. At least most people KNOW Phelps is a raving lunatic.

That's why God gave him (prostate) cancer? :p
Jocabia
01-07-2005, 17:07
Of course he teaches people to hate them. Do you not remember in the week after 9/11 how he blamed 9/11 on the enemies of his own choosing...the gays, the femininsts, the ACLU, the People For The American Way...etc? Remember that? He actually blamed liberals, feminists, and gays for 9/11...rather than the terrorists that actually carried it out.

This man is a severe political opportunist, and his vehicle for propelling himself is hatred. Some christian. More like a piece of shit.

Again, he's a waste of skin, a waste of oxygen, and I can't wait until that fucker dies.

Yes, there are many quotes about this. He basically said this is God's way of getting our attention for being heathens. So apparently the (extremist) Muslims are right when Pat Robertson wants them to be. Because it was extremist Muslims that carried out the action "in the name of God". If they're right about that perhaps we should listen to them on other things like killing all evangelical Christians./sarcasm. How can he not see that pretending that they are performing God's will outwardly and obviously goes against earlier claims by our friend, Pat, that Muslim belief is lunacy?