NationStates Jolt Archive

I watched it yesterday when the guy acts like a Muslim. I had to respect that show. It was really good and 100 times smarter than "Supersize Me." (Morgan Spurlocks movie.) Im hoping to see good things from this show in the future.

Great show, great premise. I really liked the minimum wage one. I want to send a copy of it to every member of Congress.

The Muslim one last night was something to behold as well. Very well done.

Great show, great premise. I really liked the minimum wage one. I want to send a copy of it to every member of Congress.

The Muslim one last night was something to behold as well. Very well done.

Hey before you do that could you send a copy to me? :p I missed that one.

Hey before you do that could you send a copy to me? :p I missed that one.

Oooh ... it was rough. A real eye opener. I figure, though, since it is F/X, they'll show it 100 times this month. :D

Oooh ... it was rough. A real eye opener. I figure, though, since it is F/X, they'll show it 100 times this month. :D

Yeah thats true. Id be more confident if it was any of the three HBO channels (that's 47, 48 and 49 for me) they play "Secret Window" every other day.

FX is the MTV of drama. They'll rerun it until your eyes bleed.

You mean the same show that was scripted from the start? With the guy who knows little to nothing about muslims? No I didn't watch it.

FX is the MTV of drama. They'll rerun it until your eyes bleed.
I'd go with TNT for the rerun champions.

For just straight up reruns I don't think MTV is even seriously contested. But I've still got to give the drama nod to FX if only because of the NBA more or less recently. But they're certainly merciless enough that the deserve a shoutout anytime reruns are mentioned.

to answer the question asked in the title: nopers

{Claim A}You mean the same show that was scripted from the start?

{Claim B}With the guy who knows little to nothing about muslims?

{Claim C}No I didn't watch it.

What evidence do you have of Claims A & B -- particularly if, per Claim C, you didn't watch the episode?

Smells fishy.

Great show, great premise. I really liked the minimum wage one. I want to send a copy of it to every member of Congress.

The Muslim one last night was something to behold as well. Very well done.

Agreed on both counts.

The hormone treatment one was so-so.

Hopefully, the Muslim one will open some eyes.

Congress should be required to watch all the episodes.

Agreed on both counts.

The hormone treatment one was so-so.

Hopefully, the Muslim one will open some eyes.

Congress should be required to watch all the episodes.
I saw most of the Muslim one. Missed the beginning. It didn't seem very eye-opening to me.

I didn't see the recent one, but I saw the one where they were trying to live on minimum wage. I think all members of government should have to try that for a few months. Six would be good.

I didn't see the recent one, but I saw the one where they were trying to live on minimum wage. I think all members of government should have to try that for a few months. Six would be good.
Members of the government will probably find a way to get lobbyists to supplement their income then go back to their government jobs and cut the minimum wage in half because they made out just fine.

I watched it yesterday when the guy acts like a Muslim. I had to respect that show. It was really good and 100 times smarter than "Supersize Me." (Morgan Spurlocks movie.) Im hoping to see good things from this show in the future.


I DON'T GET FX BECAUSE MY CABLE COMPANY SUCKS!!!! :headbang: I have seen the previews and it looks great.

I saw most of the Muslim one. Missed the beginning. It didn't seem very eye-opening to me.

I think you started out better informed and more tolerant than most. Certainly more than the guy that did the experiment.

Did you see the word association/street interview part where everybody equated "Muslim" = "terrorist" and vice versa?

A lot of people think of Muslims that way.

I actually gained a lot of respect for the subject (I can't remember his name). I respected his dilemma over the prayer. As someone that has been to a lot of religious services where what was being said you didn't agree with but you wanted to be respectful and/or you were expected to comply, I could relate. And I shared his frustration when the Imam wouldn't explain what the prayer said in English.

(OK, I'm babbling now. Lack of sleep or food perhaps.)

You did not get a full scope of the muslim world by that show. What you saw was an extremely liberal muslim family and community which in a sense has become americanized and as such presents the best light of the faith to viewers in an extremely bias way because americans can relate to muslim americans because they are all americans.

Youd be better off watching Children of the Taliban (sometimes on discovery times) it is unbias coverage done by a pakistani woman in a real muslim nation..not michigan. You will see the various muslim doctrines from the ultra liberal (americanized version you saw) all the way to wahabi. And youll understand the ultra liberals are in the minority in the muslim world.

Thanks

I didn't see the recent one, but I saw the one where they were trying to live on minimum wage. I think all members of government should have to try that for a few months. Six would be good.

And what would you have them do about it?

Introduce more control over business?

"We hereby raise minimum wage to $9 an hour"

Effects:
Businesses suffer as some will not be able to afford to pay as many workers... which means that workers will lose jobs and some businesses will go under because they won't be able to afford to employ enough people to satisfy operations.

Yeah, that'd be a great idea.

I think you started out better informed and more tolerant than most. Certainly more than the guy that did the experiment.

Did you see the word association/street interview part where everybody equated "Muslim" = "terrorist" and vice versa?

A lot of people think of Muslims that way.

I actually gained a lot of respect for the subject (I can't remember his name). I respected his dilemma over the prayer. As someone that has been to a lot of religious services where what was being said you didn't agree with but you wanted to be respectful and/or you were expected to comply, I could relate. And I shared his frustration when the Imam wouldn't explain what the prayer said in English.

(OK, I'm babbling now. Lack of sleep or food perhaps.)
No, I didin't see the word association part, but I did see that the imam wasn't too forthcomming with what the prayers meant.

You did not get a full scope of the muslim world by that show. What you saw was an extremely liberal muslim family and community which in a sense has become americanized and as such presents the best light of the faith to viewers in an extremely bias way because americans can relate to muslim americans because they are all americans.

Youd be better off watching Children of the Taliban (sometimes on discovery times) it is unbias coverage done by a pakistani woman in a real muslim nation..not michigan. You will see the various muslim doctrines from the ultra liberal (americanized version you saw) all the way to wahabi. And youll understand the ultra liberals are in the minority in the muslim world.

Thanks

The show was about American Muslims. It wasn't claiming to show what all Muslims are like.

One of the main points was that Muslim Americans aren't terrorists or foreigners, they are Americans!

Did you watch it? Did you catch that part?

And what would you have them do about it?

Introduce more control over business?

"We hereby raise minimum wage to $9 an hour"

Effects:
Businesses suffer as some will not be able to afford to pay as many workers... which means that workers will lose jobs and some businesses will go under because they won't be able to afford to employ enough people to satisfy operations.

Yeah, that'd be a great idea.
How about government wage subsidies for employees of small businesses that prove they can't pay a living wage. Take the money out of taxes hikes paid by the top 15% wealthiest taxpayers. Of course you'd have to couple that with a law that says no products can be imported into the USA unless the foreign manufacturer pays a living wage.

It could work, but the people who own our politicians wouldn't allow it.

And what would you have them do about it?

Introduce more control over business?

"We hereby raise minimum wage to $9 an hour"

Effects:
Businesses suffer as some will not be able to afford to pay as many workers... which means that workers will lose jobs and some businesses will go under because they won't be able to afford to employ enough people to satisfy operations.

Yeah, that'd be a great idea.

Too bad you didn't see the show. My favorite part was the guy that Morgan worked with who had gotten the same wage at his first job 30-odd years before. He understood employers who claimed they couldn't pay the same starting wage as an auto manufacturer. But he wanted to know why they couldn't pay the same wage the auto manufacturers had paid 30-years ago!!

How come business have been able to raise their prices with inflation, but they can't afford to increase the lowest wages they pay to match a cost-of-living increase? Hmmm?

Federal minimum wage was intended to provide a livable wage. It says right in the statute (http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/statutes/whd/FairLaborStandAct.pdf) that it is intended for "the maintenance of the minimum standard of living necessary for [the] health, efficiency, and general wellbeing of workers."

From 1938 to 1981 there were small cost-of-living increases in the federal ]minimum wage ([URL=http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/chart.htm) in 1939, 1940, 1945, 1950, 1956, 1961, and then every year from 1963 to 1981. Then there was no increase until 1990, when it was bumped from $3.35 to $3.80. There were small bumps in 1991 and 1996. The last increase was in 1997 -- 8 years ago.

The current federal minimum wage set in 1997 is $5.15. (At the same time a new subminimum wage of $4.25 was created.) In the intervening 8 years, the Consumer Price Index (http://stats.bls.gov/cpi/home.htm) (CPI) has increased. The CPI measures changes in the prices paid by urban consumers for a representative basket of goods and services. In order to buy the same amount of goods that $5.15 would buy in 1997, you now need $6.24!

Note: Congress gets an automatic cost-of-living increase in salaries. In 1997, the congressional pay rate (http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_pay.htm) was $133,600 per annum. By 2004, it was $158,100 per annum. That $24,500 increase is an 18.3% increase.

For those that missed the show, here is a challenge on the show's website that illustrates the difficulty of living on minimum wage: click here (http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/30days/main.html) and then put your mouse over "The Challenge" at the bottom left and click on "Minimum Wage Calculator."