NationStates Jolt Archive

I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks relations between the United States and the rest of the world will be like in a few years' time, given that right now they're at a definite low?

Personally I'd like the US to adopt a non-interventionist/entanglement foregin policy, and everybody lets everybody just be as they are.

Since they are in an all time low, its hard to see how can they get worse. They will grow better, offcourse, that will take time, and inteligent US presidents that are able to rebuild the US diplomatic capital.

Not particularly good, I would imagine. The US is certainly in something of a pickle, especially in terms of Iraq:

If they stay, they're occupiers/oppressors, but if they leave, they'll almost certainly be responsible for civil war and untold tragedy. I don't really see the Iraq situation resolving any time soon, and things seem to be getting worse. However, as long as the US is in Iraq, this will be the foci of attention in the internatinal relations community.

If you hadn't noticed, everything the United States does is the foci of world attention. Being the only remaining super power tends to make people jealous.

Few years time and the US will be in a battle for superpower status with China, if they aren't already.

If you hadn't noticed, everything the United States does is the foci of world attention. Being the only remaining super power tends to make people jealous.

Right, but the focus will be explicitly on the war in Iraq, as I said above.

Since they are in an all time low, its hard to see how can they get worse.
Now is that compared to 1776? Or when the European powers were pushing the colonies around economically? Or the War of 1812? How about the Civil War? Spanish American War? American Imperialism in Asia? Oh I know, our refusal to do more than profit from most of WWI. Pressing ahead with the development of hydrogen weapons in face of the awesome destructive power of atomic weapons? McCarthy? The policy of encirclement of the USSR with short range nuclear weapons. Oh I know, the Cuban Missle Crisis and the Bay of Pigs. No, no, Vietnam, I hear that was a very popular war outside of the US. :rolleyes: How about Reagan's evil empire speech? Or Star Wars? Or the MX missle program? Not to mention the strategic support of dictators who promissed to hate communists.

It's not that I don't appreciate or even share in the psychological trick your mind is playing. (Anything that happened before we were 10 or so is ancient history and doesn't *really* count.) But without the perspective, a discussion isn't particularly meaningful, or rational.

Personally I'd like the US to adopt a non-interventionist/entanglement foregin policy, and everybody lets everybody just be as they are.

Nah... every time we do that, there's a World War. :(

Now is that compared to 1776? Or when the European powers were pushing the colonies around economically? Or the War of 1812? How about the Civil War? Spanish American War? American Imperialism in Asia? Oh I know, our refusal to do more than profit from most of WWI. Pressing ahead with the development of hydrogen weapons in face of the awesome destructive power of atomic weapons? McCarthy? The policy of encirclement of the USSR with short range nuclear weapons. Oh I know, the Cuban Missle Crisis and the Bay of Pigs. No, no, Vietnam, I hear that was a very popular war outside of the US. :rolleyes: How about Reagan's evil empire speech? Or Star Wars? Or the MX missle program? Not to mention the strategic support of dictators who promissed to hate communists.comparing with all that...
they are lower than ever...

can they get worse?
oh yes they can.

Once Hillary Clinton is Potus everything will be Hunky Dory

Nah... every time we do that, there's a World War. :(
So our interventionist nature is preventing a World War? How ironic

Well as long as they start declaring war on Iran Syria North Korea and the like it can get worse. What we need is a president with a brain as people have said but unfortuneately unless people can become president without being part of the middle class neo-aristocracy that is somewhat unlikely.

Nah... every time we do that, there's a World War. :(

Whos going to have a world war now? The only major country thats having wars is America.

I'm sure it'll be better when Iraq calms down and Hillary Clinton becomes president :p

Interesting article I just found on the very matter here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1517910,00.html) .

Of course, I don't fully agree with their totally negative slant on the war, and I certainly don't want things to go badly for America, because whatever the outcome those are good men and women dying in there, but I'm more than happy to see closer ties worldwide with the USA.

He's right, though. Non-interventionist policies preceeded WW1 and WW2. And because the American people didn't want to fight wars which didn't have a lot to do with them, they're now only profiteering moneygrabbers. :rolleyes: How startling.

Interesting article I just found on the very matter here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1517910,00.html) .


A good read, and very good points. Thanks for that.

So our interventionist nature is preventing a World War? How ironic

Pretty much.
Are you saying that there wouldn't have been a major war over the past 60 years without the US playing around behind the scenes? You don't think that the USSR wouldn't have swept into Africa & Central Asia or that Western Europe would have evolved it's "peaceful until it hurts" republics WITHOUT the US?

Personally I'd like the US to adopt a non-interventionist/entanglement foregin policy, and everybody lets everybody just be as they are.

With dictorships staveing people genocide all over the world of people who try to solve thing this way :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: and not like this :fluffle: no i do not want the world to be gay i want theworld to solve there probles and not be pussies like Clinton in Somilia we lost more people in Greanda and that was 10 hours long when Clinton pulled out of Somilia it was being a pussy

Well, personally, i think that the US should mind their own buisness. And the UN shouldn't be idiots and force america to go into troubled areas.

Staying out of peoples buisness, and wieght loss would improve the American image a lot.

This goo launcher is pretty cool :gundge:

:fluffle: gay people suck

I believe things will get much worse before they get any better. I see the US making bitter enemies with many more governments. Watchdoging the world long enough to make it a mess & then bugging out is never the solution. It seems that that is what we are best at though.
I see this continuing until some nation bites us back hard.

A good read, and very good points. Thanks for that.

damn good read, it's pretty good

ATTACK OF THE CLONES

:) then cloned :) :)

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GAY CLONES :fluffle:


THey must be stopped


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they are stopped, for the moment.....

Personally I'd like the US to adopt a non-interventionist/entanglement foregin policy, and everybody lets everybody just be as they are.

I agree. Its time we get in a non-intenvetionalist/entanglement foriegn policy as George Washington advised. We will be disliked no matter what we do anyway. We should only be worried about ourselves and always be ready for ANY nation trying to start an attack on us. China for instance has a policy that believes we are their enemy due to the last president still having much control over government policy. We should be neutral on China and ONLY be armed to the teeth and be prepared for a war with any nation just in case.

Just mind our business and people will eventually forget about us and actually mind their own problems cropping up on their nation.

I agree. Its time we get in a non-intenvetionalist/entanglement foriegn policy as George Washington advised. We will be disliked no matter what we do anyway. We should only be worried about ourselves and always be ready for ANY nation trying to start an attack on us. China for instance has a policy that believes we are their enemy due to the last president still having much control over government policy. We should be neutral on China and ONLY be armed to the teeth and be prepared for a war with any nation just in case.

Just mind our business and people will eventually forget about us and actually mind their own problems cropping up on their nation.


ummm yeah, totally true, and the Washington comment is ture too. If we just mind our own business, everything will be fine.

:fluffle: Bush and Cheney upstairs

Laura :eek:

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Personally I'd like the US to adopt a non-interventionist/entanglement foregin policy, and everybody lets everybody just be as they are.
I strongly disagree! The problem is that without US intervention, people are not allowed to be as they are, or killed for it by the local dictator.

Whos going to have a world war now? The only major country thats having wars is America.
Russia?

I agree. Its time we get in a non-intenvetionalist/entanglement foriegn policy as George Washington advised.
Using George Washington's opinions as a guide for modern policies is profoundly unwise. He had no idea what the world would be like in 2005, nor about the technology therein.

I strongly disagree! The problem is that without US intervention, people are not allowed to be as they are, or killed for it by the local dictator.

Using George Washington's opinions as a guide for modern policies is profoundly unwise. He had no idea what the world would be like in 2005, nor about the technology therein.

1. Read why Washington promoted not getting involved in world affairs that are not your own business.

2. People like you need to stop getting the rest of us involved in your little crusades. Just join intrest groups that are dedicated to sticking their necks out and stop getting the rest of us who want to live peacefully alone.

I strongly disagree! The problem is that without US intervention, people are not allowed to be as they are, or killed for it by the local dictator.


Ahem. You do know that the US has a long and proud history of crushing democratic governments and installing and propping up dictatorships?

Don't get me wrong, the US has done some good in the world too, but your comment is singularly simplistic and naive.

Swimming Pool is an idiot
Russia?

WOW UR AN IDIOT.
The cold war is over buddy, Russia cant do jack----, the only country america has to worry sbout is China.
America :p :mp5: China

The cold war is over buddy, Russia cant do jack----, the only country america has to worry sbout is China.


What about North Korea?

North Korea??
You watch too much CNN Bullcrap, North Korea has like 1 Nuke and 20,000 troops, and a crappy air force, America has 2800 nukes, 700 thousand troops, and the best air force in the world, not to mention the US army reserves, which number around 100 thousand, and Great Britian, Canada, France, and maybe Germany would help us. Plus, North Korea and China are not really liking each other right now. So it wouldn't be very likely that they would help each other "in an effort to destroy America". Therefore, China is the only country that could stand a chance against America.

North Korea = :fluffle: Gay

HAHAHAH

We're all bashing Swimmingpool, and he's doing nothing

US and THEM ?

Bleak, at best.

The US is in the shit. Let's face it, you are on the down and out (and I'm looking for a good course in Mandarin) and the countries you have run over with your SUVs are gonna want some payback.

Sure, we have our faults too but when you are the most powerful nation in the world your faults are a lot more important than ours. I think my personal pound of flesh will be the reproductive organs of the Bush clan.