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I dont trust Stephen Harper, he's not a right man for the job.

Incase you are wondering, Prime Minister Paul Martin promised a election 30 days after the release of the Gomery report.

I have known my MP and my MLA personally for years, I will vote Liberal.

He's been acting like a bit of a baby since the last election. It hardly befits a potential world leader.

You forgot the Christian Heritage Party, The Marijuana Party, the Communist Party, and Marxist-Leninist Party.

Conservatives are winning with 100%. Hurrah!

Anyway, all the parties suck, but Conservatives suck the least.

You forgot the Christian Heritage Party, The Marijuana Party, the Communist Party, and Marxist-Leninist Party.

Conservatives are winning with 100%. Hurrah!

Anyway, all the parties suck, but Conservatives suck the least.
I think the poll was intended for the main parties... the ones that stand a shot in hell of winning seats. The pot party is just redundant as the NDP is already pretty much like "Yeah, we'll legalize it"

And what poll are you watching? I see a 3-way tie.

edit: nevermind, NDP just jumped out to a huge lead.

Out of those listed, or any currently registered party, the NDP would get my vote. And that's only because they're the least crappy of all the crappy parties we have. I'd sooner elect Stalin, into office.

You forgot the Christian Heritage Party, The Marijuana Party, the Communist Party, and Marxist-Leninist Party.

I'll remember this next time.

I think the poll was intended for the main parties... the ones that stand a shot in hell of winning seats. The pot party is just redundant as the NDP is already pretty much like "Yeah, we'll legalize it"

And what poll are you watching? I see a 3-way tie.

edit: nevermind, NDP just jumped out to a huge lead.
I got the first vote, and it was at 100% but 2 more people voted by the time I finished my post.

I got the first vote, and it was at 100% but 2 more people voted by the time I finished my post.
You took a while to post, by the time I got my vote in, I made it a 3 way tie and then when I'd finished posting it was still a 3 way tie... and your post came in some time later.

You took a while to post, by the time I got my vote in, I made it a 3 way tie and then when I'd finished posting it was still a 3 way tie... and your post came in some time later.
Yup. I got distracted with something else.

By the way here's a list of Canadian political parties.

http://www.politicalresources.net/canada/canada.htm

I personally believe that a major election issue will be gay marriage even though its already been passed. I personally am a conservative. but right now i would vote green. (invaders own cretien is running with them)

I personally believe that a major election issue will be gay marriage even though its already been passed. I personally am a conservative. but right now i would vote green. (invaders own cretien is running with them)
I actually doubt the gay marriage issue will be very important in the upcoming election, perhaps the sponsorship stuff will be a bigger deal. Gay marriage is resolved and most canadians (certainly most people who would vote liberal) are for it anyways.

Harper is scary to me. All that he stands for are things I do not like. I voted Liberal, because I am FISCALLY conservative and the NDP's finances scare me.

Harper's hidden agenda is coming to get you.

You forgot the Christian Heritage Party, The Marijuana Party, the Communist Party, and Marxist-Leninist Party.

Conservatives are winning with 100%. Hurrah!

Anyway, all the parties suck, but Conservatives suck the least.

Is there actually a "Marijuana Party" in Canada?

The tories are like the US Republicans, the Liberals had no chance on winning my riding (skeena-bulkley valley), so that means the NDP gets my vote.

is there actually a "Marijuana Party" in Canada?

yep, sure is

Is there actually a "Marijuana Party" in Canada?
Yup. Here's their site.

http://www.partimarijuana.org/index.en.php3

Here's there statement of what they're about from their site.
What the Party IS
Wednesday January 26th, 2005


The Marijuana Party is a Registered Political Party.

The Marijuana Party is governed by the Canada Elections Act.

A primary purpose of the Marijuana Party is
to endorse candidates in Federal Elections.

The Marijuana Party began with the primary concern that
the Federal government should stop criminalizing cannabis.

Cannabis is a matter of Federal law because it is criminalized.

If possession and cultivation of cannabis was no longer criminal,
then the only remaining role for the Federal government would be
to possibly use the Federal spending powers to subsidize cannabis.

The Marijuana Party is interested in All Federal Political Issues.

From an originating central issue of ending the prohibition of pot,
the party then spirals out to become concerned with other issues
like money, taxation, health, education, & the environment, etc. ...

The powers of the party are oriented toward Federal Politics.

For now, the Marijuana Party is effectively
a single issue protest party.

However, the Marijuana Party has the potential to develop into
a political party that could form the government of Canada.

The Marijuana Party begins with the goal of legalizing marijuana,
and has the potential to develop policies to legalize a revolution.

There is also the Bloc Pot, at the provincial level.
Guess which province.
LOL

http://www.blocpot.qc.ca/

There is also the Bloc Pot, at the provincial level.
Guess which province.
LOL

http://www.blocpot.qc.ca/

Quebec

pretty obvious

There is also the Bloc Pot, at the provincial level.
Guess which province.
LOL

http://www.blocpot.qc.ca/
You're fucking kidding me.

And I thought one pot party was redundant...

Our future looks kind of dark...

The bloc dominate Quebec especially since the sponsorship scandal

The conservative don't have many member to present in Quebec and therefore don't really have any chance to ever take power

Ontario is liberal.

So our next government should depend on how the west of Ontario vote.

GO NPD! (I like Layton, if only he was more credible)

I guess some guy founded the first Pot party, but he was so high that he just forgot... So he went to the other parliment, and founded his Pot party again. Later on, he went to Tim Hortons and ate 3x12 maple doughnuts and a few timbits. Then, he wanted to jam with his friends, but he got lost, and for som reason ended up in Vancouver. So he bought this highly potent pot from the west coast, you know, Canada #1 quality.

I guess some guy founded the first Pot party, but he was so high that he just forgot... So he went to the other parliment, and founded his Pot party again. Later on, he went to Tim Hortons and ate 3x12 maple doughnuts and a few timbits. Then, he wanted to jam with his friends, but he got lost, and for som reason ended up in Vancouver. So he bought this highly potent pot from the west coast, you know, Canada #1 quality.
Hey, see, there's a reason for you quebecers to stay with us. Imagine how much harder it will be to get BC pot if you're a different country... there will be international borders to cross.

Hey, see, there's a reason for you quebecers to stay with us. Imagine how much harder it will be to get BC pot if you're a different country... there will be international borders to cross.
OMG -- cold turkey!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Gotta get in touch with that hydroponic thing they all talk about.
In the meantime... Vancouver, sweeeeeet Vancouver...

B.C. even has a Sex Party now...

http://www.thesexparty.ca

Hey, see, there's a reason for you quebecers to stay with us. Imagine how much harder it will be to get BC pot if you're a different country... there will be international borders to cross.

Right now, it is hard to walk in a Quebec's corn field without walking on a plantation, and thanks to Hydro-Quebec cheap electricity, our hydroponic culture grow pretty well...

Now, isn't BC also renowned for is shrooms? huummm

B.C. even has a Sex Party now...

http://www.thesexparty.ca

LMAO :D

Now, isn't BC also renowned for is shrooms? huummm

I once found shrooms growing in a big planter of flowers on my mum's dock...I harassed her mercilessly about being a drug lord.

We used to pick shrooms from people's lawns on the way to ELEMENTARY SCHOOL in the 70's in North Vancouver. :D

The Socreds still exist in BC

http://www.bcsocialcredit.bc.ca/

NDP4me!

yeah, stephen harper is a crazy nut... he's starting his canadian tour out east, which will be funny since everyone in the maritimes hates him. it would definitely be interesting if someone pied him in his travels out here. so since ontario, quebec, and the maritimes will not vote conservative... looks like we'll probably end up with another liberal minority government. even though the liberals took our money in the scandal, and we're spending more money than was taken to figure out where the money went, i would still rather have them in power than the conservatives. their extremist right-wing christian values threaten me as a young, liberal, professional woman and their complete disregard for anything east of manitoba threatens me as a new brunswicker.

their complete disregard for anything east of manitoba threatens me as a new brunswicker.

I'm from Manitoba. It's more like a complete disregard for anything East of and including Saskatchewan, or West of and including BC

Why would anybody want to make BC a 51st state:

http://www.annexationbc.com/

hmmmmmm......... Corneliu would.

I'm from Manitoba. It's more like a complete disregard for anything East of and including Saskatchewan, or West of and including BC
Ummm, that kinda narrows it down to Kleinsville?

We used to pick shrooms from people's lawns on the way to ELEMENTARY SCHOOL in the 70's in North Vancouver. :D

Lol, your elementary must have been quite.... FUN :D

Why would anybody want to make BC a 51st state:

http://www.annexationbc.com/

hmmmmmm......... Corneliu would.
Nah, Corny wouldn't want BC,as there would not be enough support for his Republicants party? :eek:

GO NPD! (I like Layton, if only he was more credible)

Jack has more credibility than many are willing to give. In an ideal scenario, the NDP (NPD en francais) would continue to hold a balance of power, keeping the governing party applied to the task, and thus reaching as broad a base of support as possible where policy is concerned.

The Bloc has more in common with the NDP than with any other party. It's a shame the issue of Separatism prevents those two parties from forming a formidable third party, one even capable of forming a government.

Food for thought.

I surely do think Layton have the credibility to manage our finance. But marketing wise, I'm not sure he will ever have a chance to get in power. People tend to be conservative (not in term of political affiliation) when facing the ballot.

As an example, Mario Dumont from the ADQ (provincial party) had a very high % in survey (something between 30%-40% if I remember right) before the last election. But he only got around 10% (under 15 members elected I think) at the actual election.

http://www.annexationbc.com/

You're joking...do they have any members? At all?

That's the beauty of a minority government, though - Layton doesn't actually have to win the PMO to wield executive power. Let Mr. Martin sit in his nice office. The NDP can formulate policy... the Liberals have made a long, storied career of co-opting NDP policies anyway.

You're joking...do they have any members? At all?

Dunno, maybe the party leader is the only lone member here i think.

At least this is a registered political party in BC

http://www.elections.bc.ca/reg/polpartiesreg.htm

That's the beauty of a minority government, though - Layton doesn't actually have to win the PMO to wield executive power. Let Mr. Martin sit in his nice office. The NDP can formulate policy... the Liberals have made a long, storied career of co-opting NDP policies anyway.

Very true, the turmoil caused by our minority government could actually lead to something good. The Bloc and NDP share many point of view that Martin will have to accept.

As an example, Mario Dumont from the ADQ (provincial party) had a very high % in survey (something between 30%-40% if I remember right) before the last election. But he only got around 10% (under 15 members elected I think) at the actual election.
That's because Dumont can't help himself... right before the elections, he ALWAYS says/does something eminently stupid. I'm not sorry for him.

I am all for paying down the deficit but really and truly, can we take some of those billions of surplus dollars we keep hearing about and throw a whack of cash at health care? I am a die-hard Liberal but I do welcome the NDP's influence...but just this once!!

Yes, there is most definitely a Marijuana Party in Canada. It mostly operates in western Canada, and you can probably guess what its platform is like.

Why would anybody want to make BC a 51st state:

http://www.annexationbc.com/

hmmmmmm......... Corneliu would.


I would. I would finally be able to realize my dream of being able to drive to Alaska from Miami, just for the hell of it.

They seem like nice people.

Yes, there is most definitely a Marijuana Party in Canada. It mostly operates in western Canada, and you can probably guess what its platform is like.

Well, we can guess what kind of paper it's written on, anyway. Hemp paper.

I am all for paying down the deficit but really and truly, can we take some of those billions of surplus dollars we keep hearing about and throw a whack of cash at health care? I am a die-hard Liberal but I do welcome the NDP's influence...but just this once!!
Perhaps you were unaware but the Liberal budget that the Conservatives tried to defeat included $51 Billion in new money for healthcare. That is the main reason that it was essential for that budget to be passed. It is another black mark against the Conservatives.

I would

Because you're American.

I'm a British Columbian and seriously, why would WE wanted to be Americans?

I'm a proud Canadian and I alway be!

Perhaps you were unaware but the Liberal budget that the Conservatives tried to defeat included $51 Billion in new money for healthcare. That is the main reason that it was essential for that budget to be passed. It is another black mark against the Conservatives.

Yeah, that they played power games and held the budget to ransom really rankled non-Conservatives, and even former Progressive Conservatives. I started getting subconscious images of a leering Alex from 'A Clockwork Orange' every time I saw Harper on TV this spring. This guy just isn't the guy to make the wrong things right. He knows it, and we know it - and the more he 'gets to know' Canadians on the BBQ circuit this summer, the more we get to see that this...just isn't the guy.

He's a placeholder, but he doesn't fully realize it. Yet.

I have voted for the Liberal Party all my life, but I honestly couldn't stomach voting for them in the next election.

Between stealing our money in the Sponsership scandal, buying the votes of the NDP with 4.7 billion dollars and Belinda Stronach with a cabinet position, and the final insult was ramming the same-sex legislation down our throats without properly consulting the people with a country-wide justice committee. Could they not have compomised? Keep the definitoin as is, and extend rights to same-sex couples, which is clearly what the vast majority of Canadians wanted and could live with.

I am sick of this government, and wish for anybody else. By default, it looks like Harper is our only viable choice.

The Liberal Party of Canada has been the ruling party of Canada for most of the 20th century and will likely continue to be as such for the forseeable future, until either we join a One World Government or a North American Union or some other contraption.

I have and always will vote Liberal. There's a reason being a centre party is GOOD: you can stand for great and important things like improving the environment, helping those who truly need it, providing good healthcare and education and at the same time be pro-lowering taxes, pro-improving the military and cutting the damn debt (which Martin as Finance Minister and Goodale is continuing to do). Either the NDP or Conservatives are too far to the left and right respectively and do not take other things into consideration. The Liberals can take the good on BOTH its left and right and make them WORK.

I am not pleased about some Liberals' corruption in some areas (and to say all Liberals are corrupt is just plain garbage), and they deserved to be punished w/a minority government, but give them time, and they'll overcome it and make the country even stronger than it is.

God bless Canada on Canada Day!

Aaa-choo!

. I totally don't believe this last poster, named Rexdale. From his way of talking, he sounds like a Tory. Not a Liberal. Am I alone in thinking this?

By default, it looks like Harper is our only viable choice.

Harper is a scary :eek: , plz don't vote for him, plz plz plz plz plz.......

Consider the NDP.

I have voted for the Liberal Party all my life, but I honestly couldn't stomach voting for them in the next election.

Between stealing our money in the Sponsership scandal, buying the votes of the NDP with 4.7 billion dollars and Belinda Stronach with a cabinet position, and the final insult was ramming the same-sex legislation down our throats without properly consulting the people with a country-wide justice committee. Could they not have compomised? Keep the definitoin as is, and extend rights to same-sex couples, which is clearly what the vast majority of Canadians wanted and could live with.

I am sick of this government, and wish for anybody else. By default, it looks like Harper is our only viable choice.

Had it been the Conservatives in a minority government situation they would have done the exact same thing as the Liberals have: tried to cut deals with other parties in trying to survive. The $4.6 billion additional spending is in good places anyway such as housing, foreign aid, the environment, and is still very fiscally viable. Same Sex was decided by the representatives of the people, and if the ppl. don't like it, they can elect Conservatives come next election.

The hypocrisy of the Conservatives re: Stronach is truly astounding: they love Belinda Stronach but when she crosses the floor the Conservatives can't say enough bad things about her: so she's scum as a Liberal but just fine as a Conservative. I don't agree with her 100% doing that to her constituents but don't kid yourself, she'll have to face up to them come next election this coming fall or early 2006. Then Harper blasts the Libs for dealing w/the "separatists and the socialsts" in passing the Budget by using perfectly legal House of Commons procedurial motions; did he not ally himself with said separatists in trying to bring the government DOWN?

If Harper is any good hitting the BBQ circuit this summer, maybe he should get a job flipping burgers cause he will never be Prime Minister.

OK, this is rediculous. I want someone to challenge everything I say so I can make you look stupid.

First, we have Layton. Layton is a tree hugging hippy who has no idea what is actually going on. If he had any idea, he'd become a Conservative, because he is definately smart enough. He just prefers to remain oblivious.

Next, we have Martin. Martin is a backstabbing Liberal who attempted to sieze power from Chretien, who is a thief and a lier. The last time there was an inquiry into wasted federal money, it began getting close to the Liberal party, and the Liberals shut down the inquiry. Why do I have a feeling the Gomery inquiry may very well get shut down before it finishes?

I'm not even gonna talk about the Bloc beyond the fact that they are crazy.

Then there is Harper, a guy who definately has his morales pretty well in the right place (religious freedom, low taxes, racial freedom, etc.), but really doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to running a party.

The green party is worse than the NDP, so I won't say a thing.

We have to face it. Canada is messed no matter what we do, but we are LEAST messed if we go Conservative.

And to challenge the health care crap: In the United States, there are 45 million people without healthcare. Here in Canada, everyone has health care. Theoretically, no one in Canada should die of lack of health care. The reality: twice as many people, compared to population, die in Canada due to lack of healthcare. So if a purely private system is saving more lives than a purely public system, why is our system still around?

Anyone have any questions/arguments? Toss 'em at me, I'll be around.

Yes, I imagine all three of you will be. For a while anyway...

I ain't a canadian, but i'd vote NDP, since they're left-ish.

Unfortunately, theyre the Liberal Democrats of Canadian politics: want to get in but can't.

hmm...what would Canada do if the UK became a republic?

OK, this is rediculous. I want someone to challenge everything I say so I can make you look stupid.

First, we have Layton. Layton is a tree hugging hippy who has no idea what is actually going on. If he had any idea, he'd become a Conservative, because he is definately smart enough. He just prefers to remain oblivious.

Next, we have Martin. Martin is a backstabbing Liberal who attempted to sieze power from Chretien, who is a thief and a lier. The last time there was an inquiry into wasted federal money, it began getting close to the Liberal party, and the Liberals shut down the inquiry. Why do I have a feeling the Gomery inquiry may very well get shut down before it finishes?

I'm not even gonna talk about the Bloc beyond the fact that they are crazy.

Then there is Harper, a guy who definately has his morales pretty well in the right place (religious freedom, low taxes, racial freedom, etc.), but really doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to running a party.

The green party is worse than the NDP, so I won't say a thing.

We have to face it. Canada is messed no matter what we do, but we are LEAST messed if we go Conservative.

Sounds a bit like the UK! except the Conservatives would probably mess us around a bit more. The Conservatives don't know if they're left or right wing, and have about 60 people in the leadership bid!

Harper scares me. I'd vote Liberal although NDP wouldn't kill me, if they won.

OK, this is rediculous.
Since you want "someone to challenge everything I say", lets start with spelling? Ridiculous is spelt with an "i" not an "e".

I want someone to challenge everything I say so I can make you look stupid.
Oh, I love challenges, especially when there is absolutely no way that you can actually make me "look" stupid.

First, we have Layton. Layton is a tree hugging hippy who has no idea what is actually going on. If he had any idea, he'd become a Conservative, because he is definately smart enough. He just prefers to remain oblivious.
So Layton is "definately smart enough" to become a Conservative, but in reality he "has no idea what is actually going on"? Don't you think you have enough of those in the Conservative party already?

Next, we have Martin. Martin is a backstabbing Liberal who attempted to sieze power from Chretien,
Actually, those two accomplished a lot together, but it was time for Chretein to stand aside and Martin was the natural choice for the job.

who is a thief and a lier.
Perhaps you could clarify those serious charges, and BTW, liar is spelt with an "a" and not an "e".

The last time there was an inquiry into wasted federal money, it began getting close to the Liberal party, and the Liberals shut down the inquiry.
Could you please post proof of this allegation?

Why do I have a feeling the Gomery inquiry may very well get shut down before it finishes?
You are unaware that the Gomery Commission has completed the inquiry part and that Gomery will be reporting his findings sometime in the fall?

I'm not even gonna talk about the Bloc beyond the fact that they are crazy.
Please explain how they are "crazy"?

Then there is Harper, a guy who definately has his morales pretty well in the right place (religious freedom, low taxes, racial freedom, etc.),
Perhaps you are confusing morals with morale? Right now, I think his morale is definitely low? As far as morals is concerned, you cite "racial freedom", yet he would deny equal rights for all Canadians which actually would be contrary to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

but really doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to running a party.
I will come back to this later.

The green party is worse than the NDP, so I won't say a thing.
The Green Party will grow in strength if Canadians continue to devastate the environment.

We have to face it. Canada is messed no matter what we do,
Canada is a pretty good country to live in. The UN has ranked Canada as the 4th best country in the world to live in. Not too shabby, especially since the US was rated 8th? Under Liberal government, Canada actually was rated 1st by the UN for 6 years in a row.

but we are LEAST messed if we go Conservative.
Now why on earth would we want Harper to run the country of Canada, if as you say he "really doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to running a party"?

And to challenge the health care crap: In the United States, there are 45 million people without healthcare.
Hard to challenge you there because it is a fact.

Here in Canada, everyone has health care.
Also a fact and hard to challenge.

Theoretically, no one in Canada should die of lack of health care.
Have to agree with you again.

The reality: twice as many people, compared to population, die in Canada due to lack of healthcare.
Compared to who? The US? The fact is that Canadians live longer than Americans and have a lower infant mortality rate than the US. Many Americans die prematurely because they cannot afford healthcare:

Universal health care only option (http://www.pnhp.org/news/2003/may/editorial_universal_.php)

More than 40 million Americans go without health care coverage every single day of the year. The Institute of Medicine estimates that 18,000 of those people die prematurely every year because they put off seeing a doctor and getting care simply because they don’t want to burden their families with bills they can’t afford to pay.

So if a purely private system is saving more lives than a purely public system, why is our system still around?
Because your facts are wrong, and the public system is far superior. There may be isolated incidents that fail the litmus test, but all in all, our system of healthcare is far less costly than the American system, and definitely superior by its' universality.

Anyone have any questions/arguments? Toss 'em at me, I'll be around.
Thanks for the warning. :rolleyes:

Disclaimer: CH admits that he was bored and responded because he loves a challenge.

Since you want "someone to challenge everything I say", lets start with spelling? Ridiculous is spelt with an "i" not an "e".


Oh, I love challenges, especially when there is absolutely no way that you can actually make me "look" stupid.


So Layton is "definately smart enough" to become a Conservative, but in reality he "has no idea what is actually going on"? Don't you think you have enough of those in the Conservative party already?


Actually, those two accomplished a lot together, but it was time for Chretein to stand aside and Martin was the natural choice for the job.


Perhaps you could clarify those serious charges, and BTW, liar is spelt with an "a" and not an "e".


Could you please post proof of this allegation?


You are unaware that the Gomery Commission has completed the inquiry part and that Gomery will be reporting his findings sometime in the fall?


Please explain how they are "crazy"?


Perhaps you are confusing morals with morale? Right now, I think his morale is definitely low? As far as morals is concerned, you cite "racial freedom", yet he would deny equal rights for all Canadians which actually would be contrary to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


I will come back to this later.


The Green Party will grow in strength if Canadians continue to devastate the environment.


Canada is a pretty good country to live in. The UN has ranked Canada as the 4th best country in the world to live in. Not too shabby, especially since the US was rated 8th? Under Liberal government, Canada actually was rated 1st by the UN for 6 years in a row.


Now why on earth would we want Harper to run the country of Canada, if as you say he "really doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to running a party"?


Hard to challenge you there because it is a fact.


Also a fact and hard to challenge.


Have to agree with you again.


Compared to who? The US? The fact is that Canadians live longer than Americans and have a lower infant mortality rate than the US. Many Americans die prematurely because they cannot afford healthcare:

Universal health care only option (http://www.pnhp.org/news/2003/may/editorial_universal_.php)

More than 40 million Americans go without health care coverage every single day of the year. The Institute of Medicine estimates that 18,000 of those people die prematurely every year because they put off seeing a doctor and getting care simply because they don’t want to burden their families with bills they can’t afford to pay.


Because your facts are wrong, and the public system is far superior. There may be isolated incidents that fail the litmus test, but all in all, our system of healthcare is far less costly than the American system, and definitely superior by its' universality.


Thanks for the warning. :rolleyes:

Disclaimer: CH admits that he was bored and responded because he loves a challenge.


Thank you for checking my spelling mistakes, I was tired, bored, and in a hurry.

There is a difference between knowing what is going on and being intelligent. I know a number of people who are quite intelligent but love to be oblivious.

The United Nations is a body that should be disbanded and rebuilt, so quoting anything from them is just ridiculous.

If the Bloc wants to separate from Canada so much, just support a bloody referendum, take their part of the debt with them, and be done with it. Don't try to screw up Canada by leaving their share of the debt with the rest of us.

Canada currently is racist towards whites, and prejudiced towards males. I'd be more likely to get a job as a black woman than a white man. This is because of fear of being hit at for racial segregation and sexism. So under a Liberal government, I'm screwed. Under the Conservatives, I have equal chance based on my skills. You have noticed that they have minority representation in their party, haven't you?

I never said he should run the country, I said the Conservatives should. They need to get rid of Harper and pick up an old Premier. Gary Filmon would be a very good choice.

While we may live longer, there are also people who die because they don't get their heart transplants for another six months when they need it immediately, they lose their business and are unable to support themselves because of an injury. I've looked at the numbers, and found that percentile wise, not pure number wise, Canada loses twice as many people due to lack of healthcare compared to the United States. The United States losses are still to high, and that is why I support the Supreme Court looking at the European systems, which work much better.

Oh, and if your little UN quote is right, then if we were to scrap public healthcare, all Canadians would be able to afford private healthcare, as public healthcare takes up over 40% of our income taxes.

Is there actually a "Marijuana Party" in Canada?
Yep, it's mainly regional. The one in Vancouver is pretty hilarious, they toss out free joints at their rallies.

And I'll probably vote NDP again next election.

God bless Canada on Canada Day!
God has other, more important things to do.

But I still wish a good Fete du Canada to my fellow Canadians :D


PS: You can say anything about the Bloc... but despite the fact they'd like Quebec to secede, they're not crazy at all... they tend to support socially progressive bills, and denounce corruption. They have values, most of them being shared by all progressive canadians. That's why they're considered to be "in competition" with the NDP in Quebec... where the Conservatives don't stand a friggin' chance of having even 1 elected.

Yep, it's mainly regional. The one in Vancouver is pretty hilarious, they toss out free joints at their rallies.

And I'll probably vote NDP again next election.

My great aunt lives in vancouver. Let's visit her when the next federal election's on :D

Heh heh, looks like the most of us Canadians hated the Conservatives.

First I would vote NDP, but it looks like the next Federal Election will be before my 18th birthday:(.

Their policy of increasing grants for students and lowering tuition fees are very important to me. The old saying "work hard and you will go far" is becoming less and less true because employers want some one who can work smart and that is becoming impossible for some people. Increasing minimum wage will also help tackle the high cost of school.

More money for healthcare and enviromentalism is a must, and the NDP are actively working to increase funding to both. I would rather be a little less wealthy if it means I am alot healthier. Unless healthcare is properly funded it will continue to perform poorly.

Other issues like foriegn aid and pensions also make me favor the NDP. The Liberals seem to be moving closer to the right wing, mostly economicly; lately they have been damaging the programs they have set up: they have made the most cuts to foriegn aid, even though they setup the program. The conservatives "Tried and True" when it comes to social issues, opposed gay marriage.

I'm a British Columbian and seriously, why would WE wanted to be Americans?

I, another British Columbian, agree! The USA is doing alot to eliminate drugs. Illegal drug grow-ops are supposed to be one of the most important parts of B.C.'s economy. Also, we would have to spend alot of money to change our signs, schools, hospitals, etc. inorder to make them follow the American standards.

UnitedEarth, if you are going to say something like "The green party is worse than the NDP" support it somehow. When it is said alone it is hard to believe that you know enough about the topic to have an educated opinion about it.

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Out of those listed, or any currently registered party, the NDP would get my vote. And that's only because they're the least crappy of all the crappy parties we have. I'd sooner elect Stalin, into office.

If you vote for NDP, it probably means you never worked before.

Harper is a scary :eek: , plz don't vote for him, plz plz plz plz plz.......

Consider the NDP.

I'm voting for Harper.

Liberals fucked up this country.

I work, therefore NDP will be counter-productive.

And the other parties don't interest me.

I want a party that won't bullshit the media, screw our economy over, harbors terrorists, turn our country into a one-state banana republic, and refuse to give us proper healthcare.

I would love to see the Conservatives win, but that won't happen because people in Canada are retarded, as shown by this fine citizen.


even though the liberals took our money in the scandal, and we're spending more money than was taken to figure out where the money went, i would still rather have them in power than the conservatives.

That's the beauty of a minority government, though - Layton doesn't actually have to win the PMO to wield executive power. Let Mr. Martin sit in his nice office. The NDP can formulate policy... the Liberals have made a long, storied career of co-opting NDP policies anyway.

...hey, i don't care who co-opts the policy, as long as the policy is eventually implemented i'm all good. as a matter of fact, the minority gov't. is really working out for me. the liberals are in power, but there's enough chance of them losing power any moment that they lay off the arrogance and corruption. if they had a "Liberal/ndp minority" box on the ballot, i'd check that in a heartbeat.

And to challenge the health care crap: In the United States, there are 45 million people without healthcare. Here in Canada, everyone has health care. Theoretically, no one in Canada should die of lack of health care. The reality: twice as many people, compared to population, die in Canada due to lack of healthcare. So if a purely private system is saving more lives than a purely public system, why is our system still around?


You also forgot to mention that Quebec and BC has been using Two-Tier healthcare system for quite some time. Oh look, they are doing fine.

It's about time we get Two-tier in every provience. That will happen with the Conservatives.

I dont trust Stephen Harper, he's not a right man for the job.

Incase you are wondering, Prime Minister Paul Martin promised a election 30 days after the release of the Gomery report.

Paul Martin Jr also promised to get rid of the GST. He is a liar and the worst kind cause he is able to brainwash people into believing he is the best person to save medicare when medicare is already dead.

He is just waiting long enough for the Gomery inquiry to not be the only issue in the election and he will succeed

The next election will be in regards to medicare, same-sex marriage, and the sponsorship scandal.

To bad it won't be about the rapid increase in violent crime but then our leaders do not have to worry about being robbed on the streets of Toronto, or having a violent repeat offender stalk their children so what do they care anyhow, as long as they get their salary and pension. :(

Canada City']I want a party that won't bullshit the media, screw our economy over, harbors terrorists, turn our country into a one-state banana republic, and refuse to give us proper healthcare.
Yeah... and do you want to fly with your arms, too? :D
If that party existed, the others would eat their shorts!

Canada City']I would love to see the Conservatives win, but that won't happen because people in Canada are retarded, as shown by this fine citizen.
No we aren't retarded! The conservatives are evil! (From my point of view, the Jedi are evil! - Darth Vader, Episode III) There would be no abortions, no drugs, no gay weddings, the fire would burn down all the cities, after the earthquakes have stop. At this point, the tsunamis would destroy all remaining life in Canada.

The liberals are far better. It was just Gagliano and his dudes who have been corrupt.

Canada City']I'm voting for Harper.
I think he will be out of a job after the next elextion. He just doesn't have what it takes to run this country.

Canada City']Liberals fucked up this country.
The last time the Conservatives were in power in 1993, they were running a $42 Billion deficit, and the National Debt had increased from $170 Billion when Trudeau was in power to over $450 Billion during the Mulroney years, an increase of over $280 Billion in 8 short years.

For the past 8 years under the Liberal governments of Chretien and Martin, Canada has had a budgetary surplus.

Although the linked article is 2 years old, it is a good read:

Canada's Budget Numbers
Budget numbers shows Canada's spectacular performance (http://fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?PubID=533)

Another comparison underlines that point. In 1996, interest payments gobbled up 37 cents of every dollar Ottawa raised in revenue. The figure is now down to 21 cents, the lowest since 1980. Total spending -- the sum of spending on programs and interest -- is also down sharply from the 20- to 25-per-cent range that was common in the 1980s and early 1990s. At about 15 per cent of GDP, it is back to levels not seen since the early 1950s.

Ottawa's debt, which peaked at 67.5 per cent of GDP in 1996, is already down to 44.5 per cent and expected to fall to 40 per cent by 2005. You have to go back to 1984 to find figures that low. (The recent numbers have been revised lower because the government shifted to a new accounting system, one recommended by the Auditor-General, but a full set of historical revisions will likely show the same result.) Cast the data net across the G7 leading industrial countries and Canada's recent fiscal showing is nothing short of spectacular. Counting all the provinces, as well as Ottawa, Canada racked up the biggest improvement of all in its budget situation during the past decade. We're now the only G7 country with government surpluses.

Canada City']I work, therefore NDP will be counter-productive.
I can't argue with you there, other than the fact that the last Tory government was extremely counter productive, which is probably why they won only 3 seats in the 1993 election?

Canada City']I want a party that won't bullshit the media,
That party doesn't exist yet?

Canada City']screw our economy over,
You mean like the last Conservative government?

Canada City']harbors terrorists,
Canada harbours terrorists? BTW, are you an American? Couldn't help but notice your spelling of the word "harbor".

Canada City']turn our country into a one-state banana republic,
Well I honestly think that Canada is nowhere near "banana republic" status.

Canada City'] and refuse to give us proper healthcare.
The latest Liberal budget offers $51 Billion in new money for healthcare.

Canada City']I would love to see the Conservatives win, but that won't happen because people in Canada are retarded, as shown by this fine citizen.
I think Canada has some of the finest citizens in the world and are nowhere near "retarded", as you suggest, which is a rather juvenile comment to make.

...hey, i don't care who co-opts the policy, as long as the policy is eventually implemented i'm all good. as a matter of fact, the minority gov't. is really working out for me. the liberals are in power, but there's enough chance of them losing power any moment that they lay off the arrogance and corruption. if they had a "Liberal/ndp minority" box on the ballot, i'd check that in a heartbeat.

Well then, keep an eye on the polls and don't be at all afraid of voting NDP come the election. I know too, too many lefties who regularly fall into the trap of election-day spookery, and end up voting Liberal 'cause they're scared a Tory might get in in their riding.

To them I say, stop being scared. Vote with your heart. We've got those twisted, hateful xeno/gyno/homophobic warhawks and all-round negative-vibe merchants running scared all the way back to Red Deer, Alberta. Now is not the time for we on the left to be weak-kneed, indecisive. Nor is it the time for apathy or complacency; as pathetic and archaic as the ReformaTories may be, they nonetheless do hold quite a number of seats in the Commons.

Let's just make sure we change all that Canada -

and HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO US ALL - Happy 138th!

At the moment, I'm at a loss as to who to vote for:

The Liberals have proven their sole interest is in maintaining power and doing everything they can to hold onto it - including using kickbacks and influence peddling (which will be proven in Gomery's report).

The Conservatives' social policy appeals to me, but I'm absolutely frightened of their neo-con fiscal policy. I've lived in both Alberta under Ralph "the knife" Klein and Ontario Mike "cutbacks" Harris. The way they've gutted social programs has been reprehensible and the federal Tories have the same policy.

The NDP has drifted so far to the left, they've forgotten what socialism is. At the last policy convention they had the choice to shift in the direction of the British Labour Party and adopt sound fiscal policies (other than rob from the rich and give to the poor) or become the voice of every special interest group there is in Canada. They chose the latter, much to most socialists dismay.

The Bloc, etc. are all fringe parties where I am so I don't even bother with them.

Last time, I held my nose and voted Conservative simply because I didn't want to see the Liberals return to power. It didn't worik

I think he will be out of a job after the next elextion. He just doesn't have what it takes to run this country.


The last time the Conservatives were in power in 1993, they were running a $42 Billion deficit, and the National Debt had increased from $170 Billion when Trudeau was in power to over $450 Billion during the Mulroney years, an increase of over $280 Billion in 8 short years.

For the past 8 years under the Liberal governments of Chretien and Martin, Canada has had a budgetary surplus.



True, but this has come about for two reasons: the Liberals have been living off the avails of the GST. While it was the Mulroney government which brought it in, it's been the Liberals who have benefited from the GST being sucked into government coffers (remember Jean Chretien's promise to dump the GST - anothe Liberal lie).

Second, Paul Martin has gutted social programs by changing the way transfer payments were distributed to the provinces and downloading these costs to provinces, who have downloaded them to municipalities. Health care is one of the most significant programs to be effected. But so has welfare payments. And funding for social housing which as been totally eliminated from federal programs.

Yes, we enjoy a strong economy. Ooops, some of us enjoy a strong economy - those who were already part of the upper-middle class at the begin of the Liberal reign. The Canadian Social Welfare Council has repeatedly shown, in its annual reports, an increasing gap between upper and middle income Canadians.

All under the Liberals watch

Canada City']I'm voting for Harper.

Liberals fucked up this country.

I work, therefore NDP will be counter-productive.

And the other parties don't interest me.

I want a party that won't bullshit the media, screw our economy over, harbors terrorists, turn our country into a one-state banana republic, and refuse to give us proper healthcare.

I would love to see the Conservatives win, but that won't happen because people in Canada are retarded, as shown by this fine citizen.

let me guess......ur from Alberta aren't u?

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Whoa! :eek: you're farther left than I am!

I am:
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03

ya, i wish i can vote for the NDP.
im 17yo

Canada City']You also forgot to mention that Quebec and BC has been using Two-Tier healthcare system for quite some time. Oh look, they are doing fine.

B.C.'s healthcare system is not doing fine. Quite often people have to wait over a year to get major surgery, usually though this happens in Vancouver. If you do not live in the southwest of BC, you will have to drive several hours to get to a hospital. The government thinks that since it is Two-Tier they do not have to fund it as much as the system requires. Why would you consider that "doing fine"?

Why would you consider that "doing fine"?

From what I've seen of that poster's previously-stated opinion, it's presumably "doing fine" because those with a fetish for burning cash needlessly can sit in waiting rooms guaranteed to have never been entered into by smelly dirty homeless people with crabs.

Like buying a brand-new, gas-guzzling SUV instead of a fuel-efficient used car. Those that fetishize the burning of cash have very particular needs, and those needs don't include fraternizing with poor people, or even those who come in contact with poor people. Tsk. Really.

True, but this has come about for two reasons: the Liberals have been living off the avails of the GST. While it was the Mulroney government which brought it in, it's been the Liberals who have benefited from the GST being sucked into government coffers (remember Jean Chretien's promise to dump the GST - anothe Liberal lie).
You are aware that the 7% GST replaced the 11% Manufacturers Sales Tax? While the GST did end up generating more money for the Federal coffers, at least the Liberals were able to put it to good use by cutting first the deficits then cutting the National Debt. This has saved Canada billions of dollars in debt repayment charges. While Chretien did make that promise 12 years ago, it was a bit shallow, in that it would have to be replaced by another tax anyways.

Second, Paul Martin has gutted social programs by changing the way transfer payments were distributed to the provinces and downloading these costs to provinces, who have downloaded them to municipalities. Health care is one of the most significant programs to be effected. But so has welfare payments. And funding for social housing which as been totally eliminated from federal programs.
I don't know about your Province but mine decided to cut taxes even though they were getting less revenue from the Federal government. This double whammy led to funding cuts to welfare, social housing, municipalities, schools and most importantly healthcare. The majority of the tax cuts went to the most wealthy citizens, so it would be difficult to blame the Federal government for the fiscal irresponsibility of the Provincial government?

Yes, we enjoy a strong economy. Ooops, some of us enjoy a strong economy - those who were already part of the upper-middle class at the begin of the Liberal reign. The Canadian Social Welfare Council has repeatedly shown, in its annual reports, an increasing gap between upper and middle income Canadians.

All under the Liberals watch
The increasing gap came from Provincial tax cuts that favoured the wealthy?

Do you have any links to these reports from "The Canadian Social Welfare Council"?

And yes, our economy is strong under the Liberal watch. One of the best economies in the G8, and the only country in that group that is actually running surpluses and paying down debt.

Well then, keep an eye on the polls and don't be at all afraid of voting NDP come the election. I know too, too many lefties who regularly fall into the trap of election-day spookery, and end up voting Liberal 'cause they're scared a Tory might get in in their riding.

As a pollster who has frequently worked for the NDP I couldn't agree more. If during the last election the liberals had not initiated a last minute scare campaign that a vote for ndp meant a vote for conservatives there would have been 25-27 ndp mp's right now and this past year would have been very different. And just to clarify the majority of these close ridings all went conservative.

Expect to see these kinds of numbers (25-40) for the ndp next time.

-Cheers from Ottawa Centre

Thanks Italia Major -Toronto Centre/Rosedale sends its' love and warm regards.

Thanks Italia Major -Toronto Centre/Rosedale sends its' love and warm regards.

If you have not found this essential canadian politics site you must check it out.

http://www.electionprediction.org/2005_fed/index.html

National polls are all well and good but they do not translate results to the HoC based on varying support levels in different areas. This site examines them very well over time and displays the most probable outcomes. Trust me, people on Parliament Hill follow this closely. It gives a great idea of individual ridings at a glance.

Oh, I already knew that one. Believe me, our house is always jumping whenever there's an election. No apathy 'round here.

Thanks though!

Well then, keep an eye on the polls and don't be at all afraid of voting NDP come the election. I know too, too many lefties who regularly fall into the trap of election-day spookery, and end up voting Liberal 'cause they're scared a Tory might get in in their riding.

...oh, don't worry about that one, i've pretty much always voted NDP, i think jack's done a fantastic job.

Canada City']You also forgot to mention that Quebec and BC has been using Two-Tier healthcare system for quite some time. Oh look, they are doing fine.

HAHAHA!!! This statement is laughable, Stephen Harper!

It's about time we get Two-tier in every provience. That will happen with the Conservatives.

The polls show we hate the conservatives.

B.C.'s healthcare system is not doing fine. Quite often people have to wait over a year to get major surgery, usually though this happens in Vancouver.

Doesn't sound much different from the Ontario.


let me guess......ur from Alberta aren't u?


Nope, Ontario. You know, that battlefield where every party wants to get their votes from and always vote Liberal because...I don't even think they know.


The latest Liberal budget offers $51 Billion in new money for healthcare.


In other words, just throw away money at a machine that hasn't been working for the past several years?

And you don't call this wasting money? Why not revamp the system so people don't die in the waiting rooms?

Let me guess, you thought the Gun Registry program was also worth the money as well?


Well I honestly think that Canada is nowhere near "banana republic" status.


:headbang:

That's enough. I can't debate someone who is has an IQ lower than his shoe size.

Canada City']That's enough. I can't debate someone who is has an IQ lower than his shoe size.

hmmmm....lets see.....that would be u. :D

Originally Posted by [NS]Canada City
You also forgot to mention that Quebec and BC has been using Two-Tier healthcare system for quite some time. Oh look, they are doing fine.
1) Healthcare isn't going well in Quebec (although the worst is behind us, hopefully).
2) We're on a universal healthcare regime here.

1) Healthcare isn't going well in Quebec (although the worst is behind us, hopefully).
2) We're on a universal healthcare regime here.

This is sad. The Supreme Court rules that Quebec cannot ban private healthcare (private health clinics to be exact).

IS THIS THE END OF MEDICARE (OR PUBLIC HEALTHCARE)? :eek:

This is sad. The Supreme Court rules that Quebec cannot ban private healthcare (private health clinics to be exact).

IS THIS THE END OF MEDICARE (OR PUBLIC HEALTHCARE)? :eek:

There was *never* a ban against private health care clinics.

You canadians don't even know your own country.

Le Bloc, baby!

Canada City']There was *never* a ban against private health care clinics.

You canadians don't even know your own country.

Or was it preventing people from paying for private insurance for health-care.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/09/newscoc-health050609.html

Which is a ban against private health care.

Canada City']There was *never* a ban against private health care clinics.

You canadians don't even know your own country.
Ahh, so I was right. You are not a Canadian, and probably not even old enough to vote, considering some of your retorts and lack of facts?

This is sad. The Supreme Court rules that Quebec cannot ban private healthcare (private health clinics to be exact).

IS THIS THE END OF MEDICARE (OR PUBLIC HEALTHCARE)? :eek:

Our system is screwed because it is public, but work like private. A doctor will open a private clinic, and every time a patient come and present is healthcare card he will get 35$ from the government (+5$ if he give a prescription and +5$ if he schedule an other consultation to follow is patient). So, many of them tend to give fast consultation so they could pass more people per hour, they give prescription for nothing raising our medication consumption and cost, and they make there patient come more often witch overload the system.

The judgment say we can't keep people from buying private insurance, but I'm not sure we have to allow real private clinic. So people may have to go in USA in order to us there private insurance. Anyway, our government will most likely use the notwithstanding clause if he want to keep a small chance in the next election.

This is sad. The Supreme Court rules that Quebec cannot ban private healthcare (private health clinics to be exact).

IS THIS THE END OF MEDICARE (OR PUBLIC HEALTHCARE)? :eek:
The short answer is NO. :)

Martin defends single-tier health care (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/06/20/1096871-cp.html)

"The way you avoid all of the problems of a two-tier system, which we see in the United States, for example, every single day, is to make sure your public health-care system is very, very strong."

Martin cited the first ministers' accord last year under which Ottawa promised to invest $41 billion over 10 years for health reform.

"We said we were going to deal with the question of waiting lists, that it was absolutely essential. The most recent Supreme Court decision has demonstrated that," Martin said.

"We've done that and we're going to continue to focus on the benchmarks and a reduction of waiting lists. Waiting lists are, in certain areas, coming down."

The only evidence to support that claim seems to come from Manitoba, where the provincial government says it has achieved substantial cuts for wait times for life-death situations.

Quebec is the shiznit.

Ahh, so I was right. You are not a Canadian, and probably not even old enough to vote, considering some of your retorts and lack of facts?

And now to the name calling.

Alright guys, let me ask you something.

If our government thinks our public healthcare is doing so well, why is Paul Martin's doctor part of a private clinic?

Says a lot about our healthcare if our own PM doesn't use it.

Back to the original-wiginal question, let's take a quick looky-wooky at the three main options for me (Not a Quebecer, so the BQ is not at my BBQ).

NDP:
Pros:
Focused on social issues that matter to me.
Leyton a smart, engaging leader who would put a better public face on Canada that Paul's "Mr. Nobody" yawnfest.

Cons:
Has a few too many members of the far-loopy-left.
Have a history of having even less fiscal sanity than GW on a bible-bender.


CRAP (as they first called themselves):
Pros:
Promise continued fiscal sanity.
Promise to enhance Canada's military to more appropriate levels.

Cons:
Leader is whiny, inconsistent pinhead who gets into bed with the BQ when it would help him, and then calls any other vote where the BQ is against him "illegitimate"
Western-centric focus understandable given it's roots, but unpalateable to Easterners who - even if they recognize past injustices to the flat provinces to the right of the rockies - don't feel like getting shafted in a childish return game of tit-for-tat.
Has a few too many members of the loopy-doopy-far-right


Liberals:
Pros:
Whine all you want about various instances of waste (every government has em), but don't argue with the fact that we've had unprecedented budget surpluses under their stewardship
Many of the worst, self-serving, corrupt pinheads from King Cretin's (sp on purpose) rule DID get purged from the party by Paul.
Social values more in line with my position on many issues.

Cons:
Paul. Drone-boy. Suck up to Bono for photo-ops to get elected, and then give him the shaft when quid-pro-quo time comes around. One instance amongst many others that doesn't speak well to his character.
Having surpluses just to have surpluses is nice, but still underfunding health, education, military etc. A better balance could be acheived.


It's a pickle. The liberal party comes closest to my personal mix of social liberalism with fiscal control, but has equally put me into a very unChristian rage on too many occasions. But the memories of the Mulrooney years of corruption, debt, and overspending still make many of us suspicious of how CRAP will measure up their deeds to their promises. And both the NDP and Alliance have too many fringe members at the opposite extremes of the spectrum for my taste.


Which means that old Neddy-weddy feels like he has no real options, except to hold his nose at the voting booth, put the X in the box that he feels represents the least of the bad options, and hope for the best.

Canada City']And now to the name calling.

Alright guys, let me ask you something.

If our government thinks our public healthcare is doing so well, why is Paul Martin's doctor part of a private clinic?

Says a lot about our healthcare if our own PM doesn't use it.


Errrrrr................... under the Canadian system ALL GPs pretty much work under some form of private entity. They always have. Unless they work directly in a hospital, which is hardly the norm for most doctors.


Clearly the simple notion-wotion that Government-funded health-care does not equate to full-governmental control and ownership of all aspects of health-care delivery escapes you.

Errrrrr................... under the Canadian system ALL GPs pretty much work under some form of private entity. They always have. Unless they work directly in a hospital, which is hardly the norm for most doctors.


Clearly the simple notion-wotion that Government-funded health-care does not equate to full-governmental control and ownership of all aspects of health-care delivery escapes you.

Or maybe that our rich boys running this country don't use the public healthcare because IT ISN'T THAT GOOD.

If our healthcare was so great, why stick to private? I'm sure our PM has that choice.

Logic escapes you.

All I ask from our government is give us a choice between public and private healthcare. They get that choice, why can't us?

Canada City']Or maybe that our rich boys running this country don't use the public healthcare because IT ISN'T THAT GOOD.

If our healthcare was so great, why stick to private? I'm sure our PM has that choice.

Logic escapes you.

All I ask from our government is give us a choice between public and private healthcare. They get that choice, why can't us?

...i agree with what you're saying, but would suggest the opposite. force MP's to use public healthcare exclusively. if they're waiting in line with the rest of us, let's see how long it takes to shorten the lineups.

...i agree with what you're saying, but would suggest the opposite. force MP's to use public healthcare exclusively. if they're waiting in line with the rest of us, let's see how long it takes to shorten the lineups.

Thus, the Canadian Healthcare system is in dire need of a revamp or a blindfold with one final request.

I will grant you that our health care system is not flawless, and I will grant you that often it makes more sense for the very rich to get treatment in the United States or through private means. At the same time, however, you have to recognize that the fact that the system isn't perfectly balanced is not an excuse to do away with that balance altogether. That's precisely what you're suggesting right now.

Take the example of the criminal courts. It used to be that if you were well-educated and well-spoken you would get less time for committing the same crime as an uneducated person. You could present your case better in the courtroom so the courts would be more lenient. Lawyers were introduced to change this. This way everyone gets representation and the system is more balanced. Yes, the very rich can pay for better lawyers and still have a greater chance of getting off, but the current system is more balanced than the previous system.

The same thing should apply to health care. Yes, there will be cases in which the very rich get better treatment, just like in the courts, but for the most part our system creates a more balanced atmosphere. Just like paying lawyers Legal Aid, it costs us money to maintain this system, but we as a country have decided that achieving greater equity in health care is worth the price. Are there cracks? Yes. Could things be much, much worse? Absolutely.

Health insurance costs the average American 3500 dollars (US), and not even every American gets coverage. 1000 in tax dollars (Cdn) go towards health care in Canada per person, which is roughly 800 dollars American. Essentially, the American health care system costs the average American four times more than it costs the average Canadian to have health care. Is it four times better than our system? Absolutely not. I'll be interested to see what happens as the government increases the tax dollars per person over the next ten years to 2000 dollars, doubling the amount we spend on health care while still being much cheaper than the American system.

Harper has proven himself as a shoty conservitive leader. i consider myself a conservitive but after harper declined the idea of Kyoto, then started working along side of the national tradiors "The Bloc". i no longer would give him my vote. After this, there is no real party that supports my belifs. but my political stand is bassed upon the conservitive stand on things like gay-marraige, abortion, and gun control, but favor a economic platform such as one being used by more socialist parties "NDP" but have the primary conserns that are being addressed by the ever so small Canadian Action Party "keeping things Canadiana and such" When i get to school in Ottawa in a year, hopfully i can fond some other people who feel the same way, but who knows. Anyway, If an election was held, i would say i would have to vote for the NDP.