NationStates Jolt Archive


Twin Towers Footage

Trexia
30-06-2005, 04:35
Should the media put the footage of the planes hitting the twin towers back on TV? Give me your reasons.
Robot ninja pirates
30-06-2005, 04:37
Thanks to my unrelenting belief in the sanctity of free speech and freedom of the press, I voted yes.
Monkeypimp
30-06-2005, 04:38
Why would they put them on? Just randomly? "we interupt your programming to bring you this: (planes hit towers) carry on"
Dostanuot Loj
30-06-2005, 04:38
That was the funniest thing I ever saw on TV. I still laugh.
So, for the sake of my twisted sense of humor. I demand that it be brought back!
Trexia
30-06-2005, 04:39
Why would they put them on? Just randomly? "we interupt your programming to bring you this: (planes hit towers) carry on"

Sounds good to me.
Monkeypimp
30-06-2005, 04:39
Oh right, was it banned or something?
Sarkasis
30-06-2005, 04:44
Hmmmmmmmm...
Sweet, crunchy Twix Towers...
Trexia
30-06-2005, 04:45
Yeah by the liberal media.
Niccolo Medici
30-06-2005, 04:51
I don't want to see that footage unless its VERY relevant to the subject at hand. But I can change the channel if I don't think that's the case.

I would NEVER support a ban on it being shown, no matter how distastefully done it was. But then again, I support free speech and freedom of the press, so I guess I'm biased. :(
Iztatepopotla
30-06-2005, 04:52
What? You didn't have enough with the 15 billion times they put them on?

If it's relevant, they should use it. Otherwise it becomes a cliché.
Andaluciae
30-06-2005, 04:52
Only if it pertains to a story at hand.
Dontgonearthere
30-06-2005, 04:55
Hooray for randomly showing atrocities on TV!

I can see it now.

Hey, Kids! Welcome to (Ukranian Terrorists executing school children) Nickleodian! Today we (Palenstinian suicide bomber blows up bus stop) will be randomly removing all of our good shows in favour of mass produced crap designed to (Random Al-Queda beheading video) reduce your attention span to about five seconds.
The Capitalist Vikings
30-06-2005, 04:55
That was the funniest thing I ever saw on TV. I still laugh.

You are certainly, how should I say it, F*CKED UP. How the hell could you consider the ruthless attack on hundreds of civilians funny? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones in the crash--to the brave men and women in the police and fire teams who risked their lives. You make me sick.
Kandam
30-06-2005, 04:55
Again, not sure why they would show it, but if it was relevant, why not?
Andaluciae
30-06-2005, 04:58
Again, not sure why they would show it, but if it was relevant, why not?
Agreed, I have no problem with it being shown, just so long as it pertains to the issues at hand. For example, the History Channel has shown footage of the towers collapsing, but in the context of a study on the buildings and their history, as such that is appropriate. If they were to just play the footage of the towers collapsing for no apparent reason though, that's just random.
OceanDrive2
30-06-2005, 05:02
I don't want to see that footage unless its VERY relevant to the subject at hand. But I can change the channel if I don't think that's the case.

I would NEVER support a ban on it being shown, no matter how distastefully done it was. But then again, I support free speech and freedom of the press
exactamente.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 05:11
I can't find anything anywhere about any official decision not to show the towers being hit. Seems to me that every now and then I have to look at either the smoldering wreckage or the Towers billowing smoke, so I can't say that I have noticed them not playing it. Not to mention that I couldn't watch anything for a while without seeing it.

Seems to me like this is a non-issue, I would almost say made up. Specially when I see a cry wolf like this:
Yeah by the liberal media.

Why is this a question?
Chatham County
30-06-2005, 05:19
It irritates me how 9/11 is seen as a blemish on American history and is being so quickly forgotten. We shouldn't put it out of our minds, we should use it as a rallying cry for our nation (America) to unite and stomp the shit out of our enemies.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 05:24
It irritates me how 9/11 is seen as a blemish on American history and is being so quickly forgotten. We shouldn't put it out of our minds, we should use it as a rallying cry for our nation (America) to unite and stomp the shit out of our enemies.
Who's forgotten it? Seriously, who in this country has gone a single day without something reminding them about it? Where are you living that you get to 'forget about it?'

I'm sick of Senators using it as an excuse to do just about anything-that seems far more disrespectful than anything else.
Barlibgil
30-06-2005, 05:28
Who's forgotten it? Seriously, who in this country has gone a single day without something reminding them about it? Where are you living that you get to 'forget about it?'

I'm sick of Senators using it as an excuse to do just about anything-that seems far more disrespectful than anything else.


They said it perfectly.
The Lightning Star
30-06-2005, 05:29
It's banned?!?!? Sweet Zombie Jesus!

While I'm not for putting it on at random times(like certain companies would do *cough*FOX*cough*), it should still be allowed to be played.
Chatham County
30-06-2005, 05:30
Who's forgotten it? Seriously, who in this country has gone a single day without something reminding them about it? Where are you living that you get to 'forget about it?'

I'm sick of Senators using it as an excuse to do just about anything-that seems far more disrespectful than anything else.

I mean that we talk about it all the time, but the significance and seriousness of it has already escaped most of us. Meanwhile, politicians are using this real threat as an excuse to shred the Bill of Rights.
AkhPhasa
30-06-2005, 05:30
I was unaware that it was even NOT being shown on TV. I have seen it more times than is safe or necessary, in Canada at least. Was it banned in the Land of Freedom or something, while the oppressed nations of the world got to see it?
Dostanuot Loj
30-06-2005, 05:33
You are certainly, how should I say it, F*CKED UP. How the hell could you consider the ruthless attack on hundreds of civilians funny? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones in the crash--to the brave men and women in the police and fire teams who risked their lives. You make me sick.

And I ask you, whatmakes you any less "fucked up"?
What makes my sense of humor any sicker then you eating the carcass of another animal? What makes you're enjoyment of destroying life to cure yourself of "Disease" any different from my enjoyment of those people being killed? Surely you could say that the fact that this "Disease" is hurting you, and thus must be stopped. But how can you assume that these people who died were not hurting me by their influence upon the economy, no matter how small?

You can jump in and call me anything you like, or be sickened by me. But you're no better then me, as I am no better then any living thing.
AkhPhasa
30-06-2005, 05:37
Hrm. I can't say I ever thought any real death was funny. Sometimes one might get a sense of grim satisfaction from seeing someone "get what they deserve", á la "Jackass", but even then it's more of a "shake your head at the idiocy of man" sort of thing. I can't imagine what would be funny about the twin towers.
Greedy Pig
30-06-2005, 06:24
Sure, as long as it's done tastefully.
CSW
30-06-2005, 06:30
I was unaware that it was even NOT being shown on TV. I have seen it more times than is safe or necessary, in Canada at least. Was it banned in the Land of Freedom or something, while the oppressed nations of the world got to see it?
It wasn't banned, to the best of my knowledge. The author of this thread appears to be flamebaiting and trolling.
Adrian Barbeau-Bot
30-06-2005, 06:35
i am a very firm believer in "if you dont want to see it, change the damn channel. better yet, read a book."

...personally, i would suggest hunter s. thompson, or william s. burroughs.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 06:50
It wasn't banned, to the best of my knowledge. The author of this thread appears to be flamebaiting and trolling.
I'm with you on this. I've tried a couple variations on searches and not even a whisper. Gonna have to call bullshit on this until I see something about it.
AkhPhasa
30-06-2005, 07:56
Yeah it all seemed kinda weird to me...I could have sworn it has been all over the media for the past few years....
The Capitalist Vikings
30-06-2005, 08:33
And I ask you, whatmakes you any less " ed up"?

I'm not claiming I'm any "better" than you persay, I am simply strongly objecting to your enjoyment of a very serious event that led to the s of hundreds of people. I don't find that funny--perhaps you do. I am sickened that there is such a possiblity, but I guess that's why we have serial killers and rapists running around in this world.

What makes my sense of humor any sicker then you eating the carcass of another animal? What makes you're enjoyment of destroying life to cure yourself of "Disease" any different from my enjoyment of those people being killed? Surely you could say that the fact that this "Disease" is hurting you, and thus must be stopped. But how can you assume that these people who died were not hurting me by their influence upon the economy, no matter how small?

I enjoy eating steak and not being sick (I don't know where you get this "destroying life" buisness. If you are referring to medical testing on animals, I ask you, are human lives worth more than an insect, a bird or another mammal? If you are referring to stem-cell research or testing on humans, I disagree with most of those methods). You enjoy watching a merciless attack on civilians, seeing the buildings crumble to the ground, and watching people jump out of windows because they have no other choice. If you cannot see the difference I question your intelligence. Even if these people had some "influence on the economy" that may or may not have hurt you (the point is you don't know), does that make watching them die enjoyable? You exhibit the most self-centered, simple-minded philosophy there is.
Paternia
30-06-2005, 08:40
I believe that they should not only put it back on TV, not randomly though, they should just re-run the entire coverage of that day for someone who missed a part.

Each network should put it's coverage of the event on DVD and sell it. It's damn interesting. I'm serious.

Then they have to do the same thing with the OJ and Peterson trials.
Undelia
30-06-2005, 09:33
I'm with you on this. I've tried a couple variations on searches and not even a whisper. Gonna have to call bullshit on this until I see something about it.

It wasn’t a government ban. The networks and various news agencies just decided that they shouldn’t show it anymore.

If it were up to me, I’d show it every day.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 09:46
It wasn’t a government ban. The networks and various news agencies just decided that they shouldn’t show it anymore.

If it were up to me, I’d show it every day.
I don't see any official word anywhere, not even statements from networks came up-even then it would seem more akin to a decision not to show the OJ chase-it's not currently relevent or neccisary* to report the news with. If it becomes so, then I imagine they will use it.


*Don't hyperventilate, I'm not suggesting that the attacks aren't relevent-but when you say '9/11' do you really need the footage in order to go 'Oh, that 9/11...[/i]? They don't show the Hindenberg explosion much anymore either, but we all understand that it is a tragedy.
Undelia
30-06-2005, 09:51
*Don't hyperventilate, I'm not suggesting that the attacks aren't relevent-but when you say '9/11' do you really need the footage in order to go 'Oh, that 9/11...[/i]? They don't show the Hindenberg explosion much anymore either, but we all understand that it is a tragedy.

The Hindenberg wasn’t an attack on American soil. Americans have incredibly short attention spans and are easily deterred. We need the footage to remind people that we have enemies and that we still have things that need to be fought for.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 10:42
The Hindenberg wasn’t an attack on American soil. Americans have incredibly short attention spans and are easily deterred. We need the footage to remind people that we have enemies and that we still have things that need to be fought for.
Dammit, you hyperventilated. I told you not to.

No one, no matter how cynical you might want to be, NO ONE has forgotten. Not only that, but they played the crap out of it. Playing it gratiutiously now will really only serve as desensitation, becoming just another saturated image in the sea of noise.

I would suggest that it is that very 'easy deterance' that would mean that over-playing it would only be useful by those trying to appropraite the image for thier own agendas.
Lankuria
30-06-2005, 10:43
I don't know why it should be banned, but don't put it on "every day", or it will be trivialised. Treat it seriously. We don't have footage of nazi death camps on our screens every day, and people still remember it.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 10:45
I don't know why it should be banned, but don't put it on "every day", or it will be trivialised. Treat it seriously. We don't have footage of nazi death camps on our screens every day, and people still remember it.
Bold added.

That's the example I should have used.
British Socialism
30-06-2005, 10:46
The media is the mind and memory of millions. You cant deny things like this happened by ignoring it in the media or people will never come to terms with it. Do people think we should just forget the holocaust?
Undelia
30-06-2005, 10:50
I don't know why it should be banned, but don't put it on "every day", or it will be trivialised. Treat it seriously. We don't have footage of nazi death camps on our screens every day, and people still remember it.

Not as often as they should.

I would suggest that it is that very 'easy deterance' that would mean that over-playing it would only be useful by those trying to appropraite the image for thier own agendas.

If these “agendas” are to hunt down and destroy everyone responsible for the attack, all who adhere to their sick ideology and all who support it, then so be it.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 10:51
The media is the mind and memory of millions. You cant deny things like this happened by ignoring it in the media or people will never come to terms with it. Do people think we should just forget the holocaust?
But as has been pointed out, they don't show footage of the holocaust all the time, not even on the History Channel.

It's not banned, it's just not being shown everyday and someone has decided that it's some sort of conspiracy. And the media is doing anything but ignoring 9/11-that is on the news still everyday-it's just not neccisary to show it anymore in the news. We know it.
British Socialism
30-06-2005, 10:52
But as has been pointed out, they don't show footage of the holocaust all the time, not even on the History Channel.

It's not banned, it's just not being shown everyday and someone has decided that it's some sort of conspiracy. And the media is doing anything but ignoring 9/11-that is on the news still everyday-it's just not neccisary to show it anymore in the news. We know it.

Im not advocating showing it all the time, but it cant be left alone. It doesnt even have to be shown in the news it can be shown in any media on the subject. Especially when Bush is going off wasting more lives people need to know what we are fighting for besides oil and 'democracy' :rolleyes:
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 10:56
Not as often as they should.
Runs dangerously close to social programing. That would dishonor those who fought against facism in WWII to incorperate the very tactics that allowed the Holocaust to happen. (on the population level-of course there where many elements...)



If these “agendas” are to hunt down and destroy everyone responsible for the attack, all who adhere to their sick ideology and all who support it, then so be it.
The people directly responsable for the attacks died doing it. Everything else, and the method of dealing with it, is up for debate. How would you sideline that debate and play off bloodlust to, say, attack a nation that wasn't involved? Play that footage a whole lot. Not so cut and dry.
Cannot think of a name
30-06-2005, 10:59
Im not advocating showing it all the time, but it cant be left alone. It doesnt even have to be shown in the news it can be shown in any media on the subject. Especially when Bush is going off wasting more lives people need to know what we are fighting for besides oil and 'democracy' :rolleyes:
It's not been. This whole prompt is a red herring.

Bush used that image to fight his war for oil and 'democracy.' Even though the country he attacked was not involved.
Safalra
30-06-2005, 11:00
Should the media put the footage of the planes hitting the twin towers back on TV? Give me your reasons.

When had it been off TV? I see it in a documentary almost every month, and I only have access to four channels... It's beginning to lose its shockingness though, which is probably a bad thing.
Bodies Without Organs
30-06-2005, 11:00
Not as often as they should.

How often should the death camps be remembered?
British Socialism
30-06-2005, 11:07
It's not been. This whole prompt is a red herring.

Bush used that image to fight his war for oil and 'democracy.' Even though the country he attacked was not involved.

Well yeah I see that, but there are millions of people that think the war was right lol. Bush needs a reason and oil wont cut it. Of course the oxymoron of enforced democracy is good enough for some...
Keruvalia
30-06-2005, 11:24
Can't show them all the time. If they did, we'd become desensetized to it and then we wouldn't furrow our brows and nod sagely everytime King Bush says something about freedom and 9/11.

Can't have that, now can we?

Anyway, though, you can always watch it as much as your heart desires on the internet. The footage shot by the French film crew gives you both planes hitting, plus instant bystander reaction. It's really very surreal ... even after having seen it thousands of times. Still difficult to force parts of my brain to say, "No ... this isn't a movie."
Undelia
30-06-2005, 11:31
Bush used that image to fight his war for oil and 'democracy.' Even though the country he attacked was not involved.

Saddam gave financial aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, thus providing more incentive for a person to become one. These bombers could have just as easily been sent to the USA. We are fighting a War on Terror.
Keruvalia
30-06-2005, 11:33
Saddam gave financial aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, thus providing more incentive for a person to become one. These bombers could have just as easily been sent to the USA. We are fighting a War on Terror.

I'm the epitome - a public enemy
Used, abused without clues
I refused to blow a fuse
They even had it on the news
Don't believe the hype...
British Socialism
30-06-2005, 11:33
Saddam gave financial aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, thus providing more incentive for a person to become one. These bombers could have just as easily been sent to the USA. We are fighting a War on Terror.

A war that cannot be fought however. You cant fight suicide terrorism because they want to die! The only way to prevent it is heavy repression, which cant really be done without massive international backlash. Im not saying we shouldnt do anything, but we arent doing the right thing and I dont even know what we can do.
Undelia
30-06-2005, 11:34
The people directly responsable for the attacks died doing it.

Their financial backers still lived, the people who spread their ideological hatred still lived and the people who would commit more acts of Terror against the US still lived.
British Socialism
30-06-2005, 11:36
Their financial backers still lived, the people who spread their ideological hatred still lived and the people who would commit more acts of Terror against the US still lived.

As do the people who are doing the same back.

Terrorism - Killing people for what you believe in
War On Terrorism - Killing people for what you believe in

Cant be done this way
Keruvalia
30-06-2005, 11:40
Terrorism - Killing the wrong people for what you believe in
War On Terrorism - Killing the wrong people for what you believe in


Amended in bold. :)
Undelia
30-06-2005, 11:43
A war that cannot be fought however. You cant fight suicide terrorism because they want to die! The only way to prevent it is heavy repression, which cant really be done without massive international backlash. Im not saying we shouldnt do anything, but we arent doing the right thing and I dont even know what we can do.

We can militarize the boarders, bomb any location of mass terrorist signups, topple the regimes of those who support Terror and replace them with puppet regimes when necessary, pass laws like the Patriot Act, end foreign aid to terrorist producing nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, allocate large sums of public money into alternate fuels, audit all Mosques in the US and freeze the bank accounts of all supporters of Terror.
British Socialism
30-06-2005, 11:47
We can militarize the boarders, bomb any location of mass terrorist signups, topple the regimes of those who support Terror and replace them with puppet regimes when necessary, pass laws like the Patriot Act, end foreign aid to terrorist producing nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, allocate large sums of public money into alternate fuels, audit all Mosques in the US and freeze the bank accounts of all supporters of Terror.

Yeah you can do that, but part of it only encourages more terrorism. You also talk about freezing bank accounts of supporters - Thats persecution of belief and should be criminal. Why should people become non-citizens just because they believe what the masses dont?
Undelia
30-06-2005, 12:37
Yeah you can do that, but part of it only encourages more terrorism

Lamest excuse in the book. Anything the US does will encourage terrorism, we are a too convenient scapegoat.

You also talk about freezing bank accounts of supporters - Thats persecution of belief and should be criminal. Why should people become non-citizens just because they believe what the masses dont?

Soliciting murder is a felony in the US and financially aiding the enemy is treason.
Super-power
30-06-2005, 12:38
If they decide to, then they should go ahead. Remember, it isn't our decision; it's the media's.
Pure Metal
30-06-2005, 12:40
Should the media put the footage of the planes hitting the twin towers back on TV? Give me your reasons.
Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul/Orthanc?

sorry, had to :D
Super-power
30-06-2005, 12:44
Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul/Orthanc?
sorry, had to :D
Minas Morgul and Orthanc are not the same. Minas Morgul was Minas Tirith's sister city before it was captured by Sauron. Orthanc, or Isengard, was where Saruman was living before Gandalf cast him down. :D
Pure Metal
30-06-2005, 12:53
Minas Morgul and Orthanc are not the same. Minas Morgul was Minas Tirith's sister city before it was captured by Sauron. Orthanc, or Isengard, was where Saruman was living before Gandalf cast him down. :D
i know that, just i understand there is some contention as to whether Tolkein meant Minas Morgul & Minas Tirith to be the two towers, or whether its Minas Tirith and Orthanc (as per the movie). so i put both options not to offend any Tolkein nerds;)
Monkecia
30-06-2005, 14:03
How the hell could you consider the ruthless attack on hundreds of civilians funny? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones in the crash--to the brave men and women in the police and fire teams who risked their lives. You make me sick.

Oh please. A brave, heroic attack on the heart of the capitalist beast by 19 brave young men would make better heroes than 500 odd glory-hunting, money-grabbing firefighters.

The twin tower attacks should be shown no more than footage of 9 year old girls on fire after American napalming of Vietnam, from the American genocide against Nicaragua, or of the bombing of a medicine factory in Sudan which killed around 600,000 people.

America, the only nation to have been convicted by the UN of state sponsored terrorism, needs to grow up. Self-righteous, insulent nazis dressed in Republican clothing using violence they caused to furtehr their own ends only makes the world hate you more. Want to know why al-Qaeda don't like you? Look no further than the bombing of the Sudanesse medicine factory.
Undelia
30-06-2005, 14:07
-SNIP-

Ward Churchill?
Krankor
30-06-2005, 14:13
I still get a kick out of watching my allies, the Neptune Men, blowing up the Hitler Building in downtown Tokyo.
Whispering Legs
30-06-2005, 14:33
Not only should they play the footage over and over again, but the government should put together the same kind of public service messages that we had in WW II about Pearl Harbor and our enemies, and play them in movie theaters and on the radio as well.

Otherwise, people forget.
Pure Metal
30-06-2005, 14:38
Not only should they play the footage over and over again, but the government should put together the same kind of public service messages that we had in WW II about Pearl Harbor and our enemies, and play them in movie theaters and on the radio as well.

Otherwise, people forget.
don't forget to keep telling people to look out for "suspicious" activity and suspicious looking people...... oh wait you do that already :rolleyes:
Whispering Legs
30-06-2005, 14:51
don't forget to keep telling people to look out for "suspicious" activity and suspicious looking people...... oh wait you do that already :rolleyes:

That's because the government wants us to turn each other in, even if there aren't terrorists.
Pure Metal
30-06-2005, 14:52
That's because the government wants us to turn each other in, even if there aren't terrorists.
better dead than red! your neighbour could be a commie, etc etc
Whispering Legs
30-06-2005, 14:54
better dead than red! your neighbour could be a commie, etc etc

No, ever since the 1990s, it is enough that someone just doesn't like the government. They don't need to belong to a cause - just be different.
Super-power
30-06-2005, 14:59
don't forget to keep telling people to look out for "suspicious" activity and suspicious looking people...... oh wait you do that already
http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg
Pure Metal
30-06-2005, 15:00
No, ever since the 1990s, it is enough that someone just doesn't like the government. They don't need to belong to a cause - just be different.
sounds scary to me:(

and Super-power, thats exactly the picture i was thinking of :D
Whispering Legs
30-06-2005, 15:11
sounds scary to me:(

and Super-power, thats exactly the picture i was thinking of :D

Let's see if I have my history straight:

Randy Weaver, albeit a white supremacist, moved himself and his family to the middle of nowhere in order to stay away from modern society. The government at the time didn't like that, so they put an agent next door to his property to pretend to be another white supremacist. They tried over and over again through this agent to get Randy to commit "some" crime - "any" crime. Eventually, he was talked into sawing off the barrel on a shotgun - which is a crime.

You'll realize of course that this IS a setup, and that they spent the time and money to pursue this because they just didn't like Randy's beliefs, and they couldn't tolerate him having them, even if he moved to the middle of nowhere.

So they showed up in black uniforms, unannounced, and shot his dog and his son with silenced weapons (his young son had no idea who the people in black uniforms were as they did not announce themselves as police - they did not announce themselves at all). The dog was shot first, and the son shot the man who shot the dog. Then they killed his son.

Later, surrounded in his cabin, Randy's wife made the mistake of opening the cabin door with a baby in her arms. An FBI sniper shot her in the throat - shooting an unarmed woman is apparently not considered a crime.

Later, Randy gave up - but they couldn't convict him of anything because the jury found the whole thing ridiculous. The sniper was promoted, as were others involved in the misdeed. Randy won a lot of money in a lawsuit, but that's small consolation for a dead wife and a dead son.

That was in the early days of the Clinton Administration - when an emboldened Janet Reno began the campaign of murder and setup against people who she and the Clintons did not agree with.

Within our own borders.
Aeruillin
30-06-2005, 15:23
Yeah by the liberal media.

No, I think it should be aired by an existing media outlet.
Aeruillin
30-06-2005, 15:28
I'm not claiming I'm any "better" than you persay, I am simply strongly objecting to your enjoyment of a very serious event that led to the s of hundreds of people. I don't find that funny--perhaps you do. I am sickened that there is such a possiblity, but I guess that's why we have serial killers and rapists running around in this world.



I enjoy eating steak and not being sick (I don't know where you get this "destroying life" buisness. If you are referring to medical testing on animals, I ask you, are human lives worth more than an insect, a bird or another mammal? If you are referring to stem-cell research or testing on humans, I disagree with most of those methods). You enjoy watching a merciless attack on civilians, seeing the buildings crumble to the ground, and watching people jump out of windows because they have no other choice. If you cannot see the difference I question your intelligence. Even if these people had some "influence on the economy" that may or may not have hurt you (the point is you don't know), does that make watching them die enjoyable? You exhibit the most self-centered, simple-minded philosophy there is.

You have fed the troll.
Keruvalia
30-06-2005, 16:07
-snip-

Within our own borders.

Ya know ... I'm glad there is someone else out there who remembers that little piece of American Governmental thugery.
Whispering Legs
30-06-2005, 16:09
Ya know ... I'm glad there is someone else out there who remembers that little piece of American Governmental thugery.

People sometimes believe that the diminution of our rights began with the Patriot Act. But the truth is, we've been tolerating a slow decline for decades.
Aust
30-06-2005, 16:14
Was it banned?
Trexia
01-07-2005, 01:04
Was it banned?

Yes, please read at least the first page. I did say that the liberal media took it off of the air.
Trexia
01-07-2005, 01:11
Oh yeah, for all of those people that are saying "Was there a government ban?" "This guys crazy, the government didn't take it off", I'm talking talking about the government here. Ok?
Gambloshia
01-07-2005, 01:29
You are certainly, how should I say it, F*CKED UP. How the hell could you consider the ruthless attack on hundreds of civilians funny? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones in the crash--to the brave men and women in the police and fire teams who risked their lives. You make me sick.

*hands cookie*
Cannot think of a name
01-07-2005, 01:55
Yes, please read at least the first page. I did say that the liberal media took it off of the air.
You should also add that the 'ban' is imaginary and in fact doesn't exist.
Trexia
01-07-2005, 04:18
Imaginary and doesn't exist!? Who'da thunk it? I said the liberal media took it off the air.
12345543211
01-07-2005, 04:22
That was the funniest thing I ever saw on TV. I still laugh.
So, for the sake of my twisted sense of humor. I demand that it be brought back!

Are you joking, what? Im sorry, Its not often I say this but you sir, deserve death. You deserve to me struck by falling Piano.
12345543211
01-07-2005, 04:22
Why would they put them on? Just randomly? "we interupt your programming to bring you this: (planes hit towers) carry on"

LOL!!
Cannot think of a name
01-07-2005, 04:28
Imaginary and doesn't exist!? Who'da thunk it? I said the liberal media took it off the air.
I said I have a tiger. Doen't mean I have a tiger.
Trexia
01-07-2005, 04:39
But I didn't say there was a ban. I said the liberal media took it off of the air.
Cannot think of a name
01-07-2005, 04:41
But I didn't say there was a ban. I said the liberal media took it off of the air.
So you've said. And yet...
12345543211
01-07-2005, 04:42
And I ask you, whatmakes you any less "fucked up"?
What makes my sense of humor any sicker then you eating the carcass of another animal? What makes you're enjoyment of destroying life to cure yourself of "Disease" any different from my enjoyment of those people being killed? Surely you could say that the fact that this "Disease" is hurting you, and thus must be stopped. But how can you assume that these people who died were not hurting me by their influence upon the economy, no matter how small?

You can jump in and call me anything you like, or be sickened by me. But you're no better then me, as I am no better then any living thing.

Look let me tell you now so you dont ever forget it. The guy who called you a fuck up, I dont know him but he is better than you. In more ways than one I would imagine. He doesnt laugh at terror stricken people. I could imagine you in the North tower when it got hit. Running down the stairs. Life flashing before your eyes. Your getting dizzy now. The stairs are blocked. Wait? Whats that noise from above? Its your whole world crashing down on you, it may still be 50 floors above you but you might feel some of the soot hit the back of your shirt. you look ahead and see a man jumping by three steps at a time. But it is innevitable, you are on the 25 fifth floor. You hear a scream, you look up see grey and vrip! you are dead. Than to top it all off. Some guy laughing at your fear. And the fear of 100 of millions of Americans. Thinking, "are we next?" The last thing you heard was the second plane, full of miserable scumbags smashing into the second tower.
Takuma
01-07-2005, 04:53
I believe it's a news event, and therefore the footage should be given the light of day. I don't buy the crap that it's "a disgrace to the families" blah, blah, blah, it's done every day, pictures of suicide bombings, etc. So might as well.
Trexia
02-07-2005, 16:36
So you've said. And yet...

And yet what?
Undelia
02-07-2005, 16:47
Ya know ... I'm glad there is someone else out there who remembers that little piece of American Governmental thugery

I don’t remember it (too young) but I have read up on it. What I find startling is that it was carried out by so called “progressives.” Also, what about that time Reno had the police fire a rocket launcher at that compound of Seventh Day Adventists, even though she knew children were inside.
BlackKnight_Poet
02-07-2005, 17:05
Look let me tell you now so you dont ever forget it. The guy who called you a fuck up, I dont know him but he is better than you. In more ways than one I would imagine. He doesnt laugh at terror stricken people. I could imagine you in the North tower when it got hit. Running down the stairs. Life flashing before your eyes. Your getting dizzy now. The stairs are blocked. Wait? Whats that noise from above? Its your whole world crashing down on you, it may still be 50 floors above you but you might feel some of the soot hit the back of your shirt. you look ahead and see a man jumping by three steps at a time. But it is innevitable, you are on the 25 fifth floor. You hear a scream, you look up see grey and vrip! you are dead. Than to top it all off. Some guy laughing at your fear. And the fear of 100 of millions of Americans. Thinking, "are we next?" The last thing you heard was the second plane, full of miserable scumbags smashing into the second tower.


*bows down and kisses the ground*
Xanaz
02-07-2005, 18:38
I think if it's relevant to a news story they're carrying, than yes. However to play it just for the sake of playing it, nah, what would be the point? I also don't like the idea of any news agency being banned from airing anything that is news worthy. As I don't believe it is news worthy anymore it happened almost 4 years ago, I can't really see why it would be aired though.

I could see maybe it being aired on 9/11 each year as a reminder of what happened, as each year goes by kids that were not old enough to understand what happened at the time will be able to understand. So as far as educational I see merit. So I believe it should be aired for example if you're making a documentary on 9/11. There are some good reason's to air it, however on the other hand I don't really see it as news worthy any longer. It's as they say "old news"
Celtlund
02-07-2005, 18:46
Should the media put the footage of the planes hitting the twin towers back on TV? Give me your reasons.

Yes. I think it is important to remember why there is a war on terrorists. Some people forget so easily. :(
Roshni
02-07-2005, 18:48
Always remember that day! Yes, that day. It was the.. uh... october? no. Um... seventh... eleptember the seventh!
Celtlund
02-07-2005, 18:50
Without further comment. http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html
Xanaz
02-07-2005, 18:56
Without further comment. http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

Just a tad propagandized don't ya think? Geeze.
Celtlund
02-07-2005, 19:01
Just a tad propagandized don't ya think? Geeze.

Did you watch the whole thing, or are you making the comment without watching it?
Celtlund
03-07-2005, 05:07
Bump
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03-07-2005, 05:17
Thanks to my unrelenting belief in the sanctity of free speech and freedom of the press, I voted yes.
The question isn't whether or not the media should be allowed to air the footage again. The question is a moral/ethical question about whether or not it would be a good idea to air the footage again.

I personally do not see what purpose it would serve and therefore voted no. However, I think that it would be an excellent idea for the media (or someone/anyone) to make the footage easily accessible to the general public for anyone who wanted to access it.
Leonstein
03-07-2005, 05:34
I'm not voting on this because there isn't an option I agree with completely.

Now, of course they should be allowed to show the footage.
The question is of course for what purpose they would. Ratings? More sinister political motives?

I would think the latter could play a part, considering that the whole terrorism thing is a largely artificial hype and needs to be kept alive somehow, now that the war on "terror" has got itself stuck.