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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/29/newsamesex050629.html

Eight members of the provincial legislature, including Justice Minister Ron Stevens, met Wednesday morning to decide how to continue the fight against same-sex marriage.

But Klein acknowledged Tuesday that he had few options.

''There are no legal weapons. There's nothing left in the arsenal,'' Klein said. ''We're out on a lurch.''

Klein repeated that using the notwithstanding clause is not an option because the definition of marriage falls under federal jurisdiction, and the province can't affect that.

Instead, Klein proposed that the province might withdraw from sanctioning marriages and just recognize civil unions, leaving marriage to religious orders.

''We simply wouldn't be involved in the solemnization of marriage,'' he said.

I also find it funny that Harper attacked the decision because the Bloc took part in making it. I need to find the article where he says that though. Should be amusing.

Way to go Klein! Now if only the Feds and the rest of the provinces would follow suit. Get the government out of marriage altogether.

Well, it seems to be for the wrong reasons, but he's taking a step I wish the government here in the USA would take.

Way to go Klein! Now if only the Feds and the rest of the provinces would follow suit. Get the government out of marriage altogether.
Marriage was civil before it was religious. Get the religions out of marriage.

It ticks me off, in Toronto people are dying everyday, pedophiles are being released and are likely to reoffend, Homolka is being released and probably going to reoffend, and what does the government do about all this, nothing. Though they extend the legislature to deal with same sex legislation.

Bill -38 passes, they go home and Homolka is out in a few days (the conditions are being put on Homolka's release by the PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT by the way). Just noting that last part before anyone who supports Martin Jr wants to chime in that the federal liberals actually care that they are releasing that psycho (Homolka) back into the world.

Way to go Klein! Now if only the Feds and the rest of the provinces would follow suit.
You'll never get Quebec to follow that.
And soon, we'll have a GAY prime minister anyway!!!!
And believe me, he WILL get elected.

GO ANDRÉ BOISCLAIR GO!!!! :cool:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119021625016_114430825/?hub=TopStories

It ticks me off, in Toronto people are dying everyday, pedophiles are being released and are likely to reoffend, Homolka is being released and probably going to reoffend, and what does the government do about all this, nothing. Though they extend the legislature to deal with same sex legislation.

Bill -38 passes, they go home and Homolka is out in a few days (the conditions are being put on Homolka's release by the PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT by the way). Just noting that last part before anyone who supports Martin Jr wants to chime in that the federal liberals actually care that they are releasing that psycho (Homolka) back into the world.
First off, the homeless problems in Toronto should be dealt with more by the city and possibly the province should kick in some money. The rest of the country has its own problems, we don't need to be all throwing our money into helping the most populous city, they can take care of themselves.

Secondly, according to all the psychologists who have examined Homolka, she is not likely to reoffend. Thirdly, I don't think the federal government has anything to do with what happens in the ontario judicial system.

And yeah, the rest of your rant is about Homolka, which has absolutely fuck-all to do with the federal government, if you want to bitch about the provincial government, then do so, but don't go on a rant about the federal government and how they're not stepping in and involving themselves in something that is not their place to involve themselves in.
Hell, I know Ontario's judicial system sucks. My bf's little brother died in a car accident where the driver was trying to catch some air in a minivan and she will never see the inside of a prison for it, she might actually get to drive again. However, it is retarded to blame the federal government for it.

Well, that killed the thread without much discussion...

Well, that killed the thread without much discussion...

Well, it killed a lot of discussion because many of us have no idea who Homolka is, or what she has to do with gay marriage.

Secondly, according to all the psychologists who have examined Homolka, she is not likely to reoffend. Thirdly, I don't think the federal government has anything to do with what happens in the ontario judicial system.
Homolka was most likely in a federal prison (because her sentence was more than 2 years). Provincial prisons only manage the least dangerous cases and the smaller offenses.

PS: I used to work in a federal prison (max security) a few years ago, as a computer monkey.

Well, it killed a lot of discussion because many of us have no idea who Homolka is, or what she has to do with gay marriage.
She doesn't have a damn thing to do with gay marriage, I have no idea what that one post was about except to say that there are other, local issues that apparantly the federal government should get a wad in their panties about. Some Torontonians think this country is built around them for some reason.

Homolka was most likely in a federal prison (because her sentence was more than 2 years). Provincial prisons only manage the least dangerous cases and the smaller offenses.

PS: I used to work in a federal prison (max security) a few years ago, as a computer monkey.
She was still sentenced by Ontario courts, was she not?

I think what this person was trying to say is that federal MP's should be looking at the sentencing provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada, and while I am thrilled with C-38's passage into law I tend to agree that there are a lot of other issues that probably merited more attention.

I think it goes without saying (watch me say it anyway...) that overhauling the Criminal Code and sentencing provisions is something better dealt with by special committee in concert with the Solicitor General and Attorney General and the judiciary, and NOT by a lot of partisan shouting and insults in Question Period. Politicians can signal that the electorate wants changes made, allocate funds to study and implement those changes, and then step out of the picture.

I also find it funny that Harper attacked the decision because the Bloc took part in making it. I need to find the article where he says that though. Should be amusing.

I think he is pissed off so many people accused him of sleeping with the block to reverse Martin last month. He claimed the vote of quebec shouldn't count because it might separate one day.

Nothing to help him get more elector here

Homolka is being released

She's (for non-Canadian, her and her husband Bernardo raped and killed few girls 12 years ago) gonna live in Quebec and the media will have the right to tell is address. So is live in short term will be a living hell (i'm not trying to show sympathy)

Yes, Harper took the favour of the Bloc to try and topple the government, and possibly cause THE FRACTURING OF THE CONFEDERACY, but when they vote with the Liberals on a human rights issue that will cause a greater union throughout Canada, they are illegitimate?

Yes, Harper took the favour of the Bloc to try and topple the government, and possibly cause THE FRACTURING OF THE CONFEDERACY, but when they vote with the Liberals on a human rights issue that will cause a greater union throughout Canada, they are illegitimate?
The Federation wouldn't have shattered, although the BQ would have gained many seats. The BQ are to be condemned at all times for trying to destroy our country.

I think he is pissed off so many people accused him of sleeping with the block to reverse Martin last month. He claimed the vote of quebec shouldn't count because it might separate one day.

Nothing to help him get more elector here
I think he's just acting like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum and pouting when he doesn't get his way instead of an adult who is trying to portray an image of responsability.

Yes, Harper took the favour of the Bloc to try and topple the government, and possibly cause THE FRACTURING OF THE CONFEDERACY, but when they vote with the Liberals on a human rights issue that will cause a greater union throughout Canada, they are illegitimate?

Well, it was dark days for the Confederacy, what with losing the American Civil War and all...

There's still hope for libertarianism in Canada then...

Maybe just Maybe - Klien & Harper should be kicked out of politics - they are both an enbarrsement in Canada & Alberta.
Klien for stuffing his fat pockets at the expense of Albertans at the public's expense even though they have recorded 5 billion in surplus revenues over expense for the last 2 years, but still insist that taxes be raised not cut back.
Harper cause his comment always border on the thin edge of liable and frankly most times contradict himself. Funny he'll get in bed with the Bloq if it suits his purpose, but if he dosen't agree the the Bloq are portraid as "Illigimite" cause they only speak for Quebec - Funny weren't they exected by Canadains in a Federal election.