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Im pretty sick and tired of the US bashing the UN. Even when it comes to John Bolton.

thoughts?

I'm glad my country's bashing the UN. It's a corrupt and useless organization for the most part.

Im pretty sick and tired of people bashing the US, especialy people on NS.

Thoughts?

Im pretty sick and tired of people bashing the US, especialy people on NS.

Thoughts?
That's a whole different thread. Plus I don't think we were being bashed here.

What a well argued and considerd start to a thread :eek:

There's a poll up there

That's a whole different thread. Plus I don't think we were being bashed here.
I was trying to make a point.

Im pretty sick and tired of the US bashing the UN. Even when it comes to John Bolton.

thoughts?
Mr Bolton claimed that 'there is no such thing as the United Nations', and now he is nominated to serve as an ambassador to the entity he considers non-existent. That's a little Kafkaesque.

I voted yes on the poll, but not for UN bashing reasons. The US has played host to the UN since the UN's inception. In that time NY city has been home to numerous foreign officials with diplomatic immunity. They ignore traffic rules, commit misdemeanors, their family members also participate, and nobody can do anything about it because they have immunity. They can't be fined, they can't be imprisoned, and the only other option, deportation, causes too many diplomatic headaches to make it worthwhile unless they've commited crimes like murder or rape. Let someone else deal with these spoiled scumbags for a while. Why should the USA be saddled with them forever?

Technically, the UN building is not in a country, it's international ground that the US ceded for this especific purpose. Of course, it's surrounded by the US, which means that all services and access are controlled by the US and that makes the point moot, but still it's a nice gesture.

Maybe there could be a good sized chunk of international space in Antarctica put aside for the UN, but I guess that would be a bit inaccessible.

Im pretty sick and tired of people bashing the US, especialy people on NS.

Thoughts?

hmmmm.....lets see...

-Iraq war
-Gas prices
-opposing people's equal rights
-Softwood lumber
-Gitmo
-Getting paranoid about terrorism and BSE
-FOX TV
-racial discrimination, especially against arabs and muslims.
-the idiotic patriot act
-not listling to the UN
-George W. Bush
-Condolezza Rice
-Making other countries do things when they dont want to

too much to list......

I think the UN is okay where it is now because it is in the area that needs the most change in my opinion. If you wanted to put it in a place that follows it's ideals, Paris may be a better idea. But what would be the point? I woudl say Washinton would be better but that is a little too close to American politics and nob ody really wants that much corruption.

Yes.

Why bother having it in the middle of such a crappy area? I mean, NYC? Kick it out of there. Heck, actually it doesn't have to leave the US(although it'll probably get kicked out of there at some point, for good reason or not). Just put it in the middle of some open country area. Fewer people to be annoyed by it.

hmmmm.....lets see...

-Iraq war
-Gas prices
-opposing people's equal rights
-Softwood lumber
-Gitmo
-Getting paranoid about terrorism and BSE
-FOX TV
-racial discrimination, especially against arabs and muslims.
-the idiotic patriot act
-not listling to the UN
-George W. Bush
-Condolezza Rice

too much to list......
Iraq war- Guilty, but we have to see it through now or let Iraq become a failed state like Afghanistan after the Soviets split.

Gas prices- Um, why would you blame us for that?

Opposing equal rights- We have a little way to go on that subject, but over the long term we do tend to make progress.

Softwood Lumber- What about it?

Gitmo- It's not all that bad. I wish we'd make more of an effort to find out which detainees can be safely released, but other than that I've got no problem with it.

Terrorism/BSE- Excuse us, but three thousand of our people were killed in one day by a group that has our extermination as it's main goal. Also we don't want to see a generation of Americans twitching and drooling because they ate bad beef ten years earlier.

FOX- Everyone's entitled to his opinion, even if it's stupid. That's why fox is still around.

Racial discrimination vs. Arabs and Muslims- Not much of that happening. Someone posted a list of the bias crimes against them in the years since 9/11. It worked out to about three crimes per year, and many of them were simple grafiti and property crimes.

Patriot Act- Some parts of it are orwellian. Some parts are common sense.

Not listening to the UN- The UN isn't always right. We are a sovereign nation, and shouldn't be ordered around by the UN. Face it, the UN isn't a fair and reasonable organization. They've got Sudan on the human rights commite for fuck's sake!

George W. Bush- Guilty

Condi Rice- Guilty

We're not as bad as you've been led to think.

hmmmm.....lets see...

-Iraq war
-Gas prices
-opposing people's equal rights
-Softwood lumber
-Gitmo
-Getting paranoid about terrorism and BSE
-FOX TV
-racial discrimination, especially against arabs and muslims.
-the idiotic patriot act
-not listling to the UN
-George W. Bush
-Condolezza Rice
-Making other countries do things when they dont want to

too much to list......
All of which have been beaten to death a million times on this forum, whereas UN-bashing is a relativly new thing.

EDIT:
What Drunk Commies said :P

It could not be efficient out in the countryside though. THe resources are just not there.

The UN shouldn't move, no. The UN should be expelled from United States soil. They make the politicians on Capitol Hill look like angels by comparison.

hmmmm.....lets see...

-Iraq war
-Gas prices
-opposing people's equal rights
-Softwood lumber
-Gitmo
-Getting paranoid about terrorism and BSE
-FOX TV
-racial discrimination, especially against arabs and muslims.
-the idiotic patriot act
-not listling to the UN
-George W. Bush
-Condolezza Rice
-Making other countries do things when they dont want to

too much to list......


Speaking from an European point of view, he's right. Why do americans always complain about being made fun of, when they cause all these stupid problems.
And they're fat.
And they're unhealthy.
And they were unusually good in World Cup 2002
And BUSH IS A COMPLETE IDIOT

Speaking from an European point of view, he's right. Why do americans always complain about being made fun of, when they cause all these stupid problems.
And they're fat.
And they're unhealthy.
And they were unusually good in World Cup 2002
And BUSH IS A COMPLETE IDIOT
Way to debate. You've really won me over to your side with your well-reasoned and detailed argument.

Speaking from an European point of view, he's right. Why do americans always complain about being made fun of, when they cause all these stupid problems.
(1)And they're fat.
(2)And they're unhealthy.
(3)And they were unusually good in World Cup 2002
(4)And BUSH IS A COMPLETE IDIOT
1. Yes, and you fellows are rapidly catching up to us, in case you havent been watching the news.
2. And of course all Europeans are in perfect health with a broken socialized healthcare system.
3. Im not a soccer fan, Im afriad.
4. Incorrect. You dislike President Bush, this does not make him stupid. See the 'Bush is smarter than Kerry and I can prove it' thread, which I beleive contains Bush's assorted grades and SAT score. I realize that its a dumb topic, but its a handy refrence that shows Bush is not, in fact, an idiot.

I think what we need is a reason why it should be moved not just random bashing of various parties, I am not defending the us, but everybody knows they have issues, jsut like everyone else, so what is the point?

I think what'd be more to the point, much more to the point would be for the US to be asked to leave. North America.

Would a ninety-day eviction notice work, I wonder?

Probably not. Be fun serving Mr. Bush with it, though.

Heh.

I think what'd be more to the point, much more to the point would be for the US to be asked to leave. North America.

Would a ninety-day eviction notice work, I wonder?

Probably not. Be fun serving Mr. Bush with it, though.

Heh.

OMG! THat would be awesome! But where would they go? It would not be nice to inflict that kind of torture on any other continent. THe moon maybe? Mars? A rogue asteroid so they never have to be seen again?

The UN should relocate to Paris, immediately.

I hate how the idiots say that 9/11 was a massacre, and everyone should care alot. OH YEAH I RATIONALIZED BUSH A LITTLE BY SAYING HE'S STUPID, BECAUSE KERRY IS STUPID ALSO.

1992, americans fly into Yugoslavia and bomb key military academies and barrackses. over 40,000 people died, and americans act like its a victory and leave thier 1st division to get destroyed by angry Serb. Communists.

1945, americans drop the A-Bomb on Hiroshima, over 200,000 people within a 1.5mile radius were vaporized

1960's, vietnam, random rebels were killed along with 19,000 civilian casualties, WOW, thanks america

How do you like america now
civilian :) :mp5: america

I hate how the idiots say that 9/11 was a massacre, and everyone should care alot.
1992, americans fly into Yugoslavia and bomb key military academies and barrackses. over 40,000 people died, and americans act like its a victory and leave thier 1st division to get destroyed by angry Serb. Communists.

1945, americans drop the A-Bomb on Hiroshima, over 200,000 people within a 1.5mile radius were vaporized

1960's, vietnam, random rebels were killed along with 19,000 civilian casualties, WOW, thanks america

How do you like america now
civilian :) america :mp5:
Where the hell did that come from?

I hate how the idiots say that 9/11 was a massacre, and everyone should care alot.
How do you like america now
civilian :) :mp5: america

I think america had 9/11 coming
You can only piss off people so much before they retaliate.

I hate how the idiots say that 9/11 was a massacre, and everyone should care alot.
1992, americans fly into Yugoslavia and bomb key military academies and barrackses. over 40,000 people died, and americans act like its a victory and leave thier 1st division to get destroyed by angry Serb. Communists.

1945, americans drop the A-Bomb on Hiroshima, over 200,000 people within a 1.5mile radius were vaporized

1960's, vietnam, random rebels were killed along with 19,000 civilian casualties, WOW, thanks america

How do you like america now
civilian :) america :mp5:
Show me one military that has participated in a war and hasn't caused civilian casualties. Just one. Go ahead. I dare you.

The US military currently uses guided weapons IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. How many other nations are willing to expend the money and take the risk to do the same?

In WWII Japan declared war on us. We fought not because we wanted to, but because we were attacked. Don't forget the Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major factory towns. They were the places where the Japanese war machine was being built and supplied.

im just saying that some of the most notable massacres in history where american

Show me one military that has participated in a war and hasn't caused civilian casualties. Just one. Go ahead. I dare you.

The US military currently uses guided weapons IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. How many other nations are willing to expend the money and take the risk to do the same?

In WWII Japan declared war on us. We fought not because we wanted to, but because we were attacked. Don't forget the Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major factory towns. They were the places where the Japanese war machine was being built and supplied.

Right and we did the honorable thing and exterminated thousands who still had lives to live, rather than risking the lives of those who had devoted their lives to die.

I think america had 9/11 coming
You can only piss off people so much before they retaliate.


Right on, they did, they really pissed off the terrorists.

THEY'RE TERRORISTS, OF COURSE THAT WE PISSED THEM OFF, AMERICA IS BETTER, I'M JUSY SAYING THAT 9/11 WASN'T AS BIG OF A DEAL AS SOME OTHER EVENTS IN HISTORY.

That was probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard :headbang:

I think america had 9/11 coming
You can only piss off people so much before they retaliate.
Yeah, helping free Afghanistan from the soviets was horrible. We so had 9/11 comming. I wish I could reply in the manner that your post demands, but the mods have warned me that my next infraction will get me permanently banned.

Im pretty sick and tired of the US bashing the UN.
Well I'm pretty sick of the UN bashing the US
Ohhhhhh!

Right and we did the honorable thing and exterminated thousands who still had lives to live, rather than risking the lives of those who had devoted their lives to die.

Quite honorable, very honorable

Gas prices- Um, why would you blame us for that?

The world can always say that americans are gas guzzlers. geez go ride a bike.

Opposing equal rights- We have a little way to go on that subject, but over the long term we do tend to make progress.

Canada passed Bill C-38 (gay marriage act), do you.

Softwood Lumber- What about it?

Maybe not a major story down south.

Gitmo- It's not all that bad. I wish we'd make more of an effort to find out which detainees can be safely released, but other than that I've got no problem with it.

considering human rights abuse

Terrorism/BSE- Excuse us, but three thousand of our people were killed in one day by a group that has our extermination as it's main goal. Also we don't want to see a generation of Americans twitching and drooling because they ate bad beef ten years earlier.

-Do u know why canada is not a target

-Ralph Klein: "stop that nonsense"

FOX- Everyone's entitled to his opinion, even if it's stupid. That's why fox is still around.

FOX is loves Bush

Racial discrimination vs. Arabs and Muslims- Not much of that happening. Someone posted a list of the bias crimes against them in the years since 9/11. It worked out to about three crimes per year, and many of them were simple grafiti and property crimes.

Considering racial profiling at the border.

Patriot Act- Some parts of it are orwellian. Some parts are common sense.

American govt can see my info from here.

Not listening to the UN- The UN isn't always right. We are a sovereign nation, and shouldn't be ordered around by the UN. Face it, the UN isn't a fair and reasonable organization. They've got Sudan on the human rights commite for fuck's sake!

At least the UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said there are NO WMDs in iraq (thats true)

Speaking from an European point of view, he's right. Why do americans always complain about being made fun of, when they cause all these stupid problems.
And they're fat.
And they're unhealthy.
And they were unusually good in World Cup 2002
And BUSH IS A COMPLETE IDIOT

BURN ON USA!!! :D

im just saying that some of the most notable massacres in history where american
OH dear, oh dear.
Where to start.
Well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres

That list starts in 334 BC and ends in 2005.
Bet you a dollar a majority of those have nothing to do with America. Ill bet you a majority of those past 1776 have nothing to do with America.

Does anybody care to total up the casualties and see which nation has killed the most civilians throughout history?

Right on, they did, they really pissed off the terrorists.

THEY'RE TERRORISTS, OF COURSE THAT WE PISSED THEM OFF, AMERICA IS BETTER, I'M JUSY SAYING THAT 9/11 WASN'T AS BIG OF A DEAL AS SOME OTHER EVENTS IN HISTORY.

That was probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard :headbang:

Ugh. You have to look at the consequences of your actions. Terrorists would not be near so prevelant if the states were not so over bearing and arrogant. If they just minded their own business and left other countries to do the same unless other countries asked for help may terrorist groups would nto even be formed since the primary goal is to stop the states from interfering in their countries affairs. Yes I know that many countries have iussues that need to be dealt with but those countries must ask for help. Imposing assistance, is not help, it just creates more problems and causes the formerly nonviolent citizens to rise up against nto the true oppressors which is their own governemnt, but the new oppressors which would be the states.

Don't let my Mossberg hit you on your way out.

I'd like to say, that US isn't BAD in any way. It's just that they've done alot of crap, and now they deny it. That makes me mad.

And another thing that makes me mad is that americans believe that the world revolves around them.

P.S. STOP SAYING THAT "MUSLIMS" WRE THE CAUSE FOR 9/11, IT'S NOT THE RELIGIONS FAULT THAT PEOPLE BOMB BUILDINGS

The US military currently uses guided weapons IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. How many other nations are willing to expend the money and take the risk to do the same?

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.georgiapeace.org/USmilitary%20Budget.htm

Who else besides America has this sort of money?

"A third of the bombs dropped on Iraq were old-style "dumb weapons" - despite suggestions from the Pentagon that 90 per cent of munitions used would be precision-guided." http://www.cfba.info/analyst/analysts_who_back_Dove_Ad.cluster_bombs.html
http://www.why-war.com/news/2003/03/31/precisio.html

Of course, the obvious question is: why are we in Iraq in the first place but that's a zillion different threads.

I hope the M0ds lock this thread. Some of the comments SUCK

I hope the M0ds lock this thread. Some of the comments SUCK
I find this thread rather depressing, and yet I cant stop posting.
That 'BURN ON USA!' comment should have emberased everybody that read it, for the sake of humankind.

I find this thread rather depressing, and yet I cant stop posting.
That's how trolls exist, sadly....

Ugh. You have to look at the consequences of your actions. Terrorists would not be near so prevelant if the states were not so over bearing and arrogant. If they just minded their own business and left other countries to do the same unless other countries asked for help may terrorist groups would nto even be formed since the primary goal is to stop the states from interfering in their countries affairs. Yes I know that many countries have iussues that need to be dealt with but those countries must ask for help. Imposing assistance, is not help, it just creates more problems and causes the formerly nonviolent citizens to rise up against nto the true oppressors which is their own governemnt, but the new oppressors which would be the states.

I somehow wouyld like to agree with you, but being a Superpower, the USA is forced to make police actions to help the world,and to help their reputation.

Funny thing is that it only worsened their reputation.

So i guess your right, US needs to stop being so nosey, because they'll get their but whooped by china if they don't stop (stop with that sweatshop bullcrap)

hA! its kind of funny to think that China can whoop America

Even though its true.....

I find this thread rather depressing, and yet I cant stop posting.
That 'BURN ON USA!' comment should have emberased everybody that read it, for the sake of humankind.

I didnt mean "we should burn USA with fire", I mean we burned u guy with comments we wrote.

Why do americans always complain about being made fun of, when they cause all these stupid problems.
And they're fat.
And they're unhealthy.
And BUSH IS A COMPLETE IDIOT

civilian :) :mp5: america

That was probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard :headbang:

I'd like to say, that US isn't BAD in any way. It's just that they've done alot of crap, and now they deny it. That makes me mad.
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I somehow wouyld like to agree with you, but being a Superpower, the USA is forced to make police actions to help the world,and to help their reputation.

Funny thing is that it only worsened their reputation.

So i guess your right, US needs to stop being so nosey, because they'll get their but whooped by china if they don't stop (stop with that sweatshop bullcrap)

In a way I agree with you. When you see what happens in other countries you jsut want to go and yell ant the people "WTF is wrong with you? DO you not see what you are doing?" ANd in a way that is what the states are trying to do. But the problem is that that does nto wwork. People have to solve problems for themselves to learn from them or else the jsut rebel against the people who are trying to help them.

Really it is the UN's job to be doign this, btu they have taken an much more layed back role. The states are acting like an angry mother with a teenager, and the UN is more like the grandparent that is jsut waiting until the children harm themselves enough that they ask for help. Dunno if that makes sense, but it does in my head.

That's how trolls exist, sadly....
NS needs a 'Troll feeders annonomous'...I NEED HELP MAN!
*curls into a corner and twitches*

UN..move to Canada :D

UN..move to Canada :D

I woudl love the UN here, but what would be the point? They have very little work to do here.

Ugh. You have to look at the consequences of your actions. Terrorists would not be near so prevelant if the states were not so over bearing and arrogant. If they just minded their own business and left other countries to do the same unless other countries asked for help may terrorist groups would nto even be formed since the primary goal is to stop the states from interfering in their countries affairs. Yes I know that many countries have iussues that need to be dealt with but those countries must ask for help. Imposing assistance, is not help, it just creates more problems and causes the formerly nonviolent citizens to rise up against nto the true oppressors which is their own governemnt, but the new oppressors which would be the states.
Bullshit. Different terrorists have different motivations. Al Quaeda and their kind want to spread their version of Islam to the entire world and reestablish a Muslim caliphate as a world government. To this end they've decided they need to destroy the most powerfull western nation, the USA, first. We've done nothing to them. They simply beleive Allah told them to conquer the world, so they're fighting to do just that.

hA! its kind of funny to think that China can whoop America

Even though its true.....
No, not yet they can't. One day they may be that powerfull. Then I want to be on NS as everyone who railed against US hegemony complains about how bad Chinese control over their countries is and longs for the good old days when the USA was the world's superpower.

Different terrorists have different motivations. Al Quaeda and their kind want to spread their version of Islam to the entire world and reestablish a Muslim caliphate as a world government. To this end they've decided they need to destroy the most powerfull western nation, the USA, first. We've done nothing to them. They simply beleive Allah told them to conquer the world, so they're fighting to do just that.[/QUOTE]

Althoguh nobody of course can predict what could have happened. If the us has not been infringing on their freedom people with such radical views may not have had said views. THe states have slandered and oppressed arabic nations for years. The consequences of that come out in many ways and this is one of them. I highly doubt if people ther had been left o ntheir own they would have any hostile intentions towards the states. It is jstu not logical. People act aggressively towards those whom they feel are blocking their goals. Before the states their goal was jstu to promote their religion in their area, jsut like the Jahova's Witnesses here. Nobody opresses them, and thus they do not act violently. Both of them have nonviolent codes of conducts in their religious texts. But the Muslim people have been oppressed for years and bullied highly by the states, eventually they had to fight back. I definately do not approve of how it is happening, but you could see it coming.

Althoguh nobody of course can predict what could have happened. If the us has not been infringing on their freedom people with such radical views may not have had said views. THe states have slandered and oppressed arabic nations for years. The consequences of that come out in many ways and this is one of them. I highly doubt if people ther had been left o ntheir own they would have any hostile intentions towards the states. It is jstu not logical. People act aggressively towards those whom they feel are blocking their goals. Before the states their goal was jstu to promote their religion in their area, jsut like the Jahova's Witnesses here. Nobody opresses them, and thus they do not act violently. Both of them have nonviolent codes of conducts in their religious texts. But the Muslim people have been oppressed for years and bullied highly by the states, eventually they had to fight back. I definately do not approve of how it is happening, but you could see it coming.
Religious people aren't logical. The US has done nothing to harm muslim people ever. (except siding with Israel, but that's not to harm muslims. It's to protect the nation of Israel from being wiped out.)

The US never had any collonies in muslim countries. Prior to 9/11 immigrants from muslim nations were welcomed with open arms. The US maintained friendly relations with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran, UAE, Indonesia, and many others. We have always been friends to muslim people.

Funded by the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia, expanded by the Muslim Brotherhood, a new vision of Islam has culminated in Al Quaeda. This version of Islam is bent on spreading it's dominion over the whole world through the Koran and the Kalashnikov. I'll be damned if they're going to bring down my nation, and with it western culture. You may not see this enemy for what they are but someday, hopefully, you'll be able to thank the USA for having saved you from it.

The UN should roll over and die.

The UN:

3 Arab/Israeli Wars
3 Pakastani/Indian Wars
1 Tanzania/Ugandan War

Several Invasions by the USSR, most notably Afghanistan

Genocides in Bosnia, Rwanda and other places that the UN has done nothing, US took care of Bosnia.

I could go on but what is the point? The UN has suffered through more wars than the US and has done nothing to prevent them.

hA! its kind of funny to think that China can whoop America

Even though its true.....

To bad it ain't true.

Im pretty sick and tired of the US bashing the UN. Even when it comes to John Bolton.

thoughts?
That's nice.

Several Invasions by the USSR, most notably Afghanistan

You forgot Grenada and Panama, which were invaded by.... oooh... wait a minute!

You forgot Grenada and Panama, which were invaded by.... oooh... wait a minute!

I said I could go on. If I listed every single violation of the UN Charter, I'd have a to many pages to print! :D

I said I could go on. If I listed every single violation of the UN Charter, I'd have a to many pages to print!

I agree it would be faster to list the resolutions that were actually enforced.

I agree it would be faster to list the resolutions that were actually enforced.

Wait? The UN enforced some resolutions? :D

nyuk nyuk

To the guy who said the US had it coming...

...just say that to someone who lost a close friend or family member in those attacks, and then try to justify it. It won't wash, and I don't know a single person that would help you when they decide to beat the crap out of you.

An arguement won't work unless you can justify it to those who were affected by the subject.

I voted yes because I believe the UN should move to a more welcoming country that actually follows international laws and respects human rights. In fact, it should move to Canada, given it was a Canadian who wrote the UN Human Rights Conventions to begin with and Canadians have a lot of respect for the UN, I think Canada would be a fabulous host for the UN. I also believe or at least think that the vast majority of Canadians would welcome the UN with open arms.

I'd rather vote for the UN in Iceland.
It's nicely located, and midway between Europe and North America.
Not to mention the fact that this small country, even though it has a Nato base, is generally peaceful and not too involved in tricky politics.

I'd rather vote for the UN in Iceland.

Actually, give it to the swiss. They are neutral.

Actually, give it to the swiss. They are neutral.

Uh yeah, tell that to all the Jewish families who's family wealth was stolen by the Nazi's with the help of the Swiss. Neutral my a$$!

I really do want to know.

I really do want to know.
We periodically ask brilliant people like yourself whether we should be inhaling or exhaling at that particular moment.

hA! its kind of funny to think that China can whoop America

Even though its true.....

Naah...i dont think so

The US still have a better military than China because of technology. Bigger military doesn't make a difference.

The UN:

3 Arab/Israeli Wars
3 Pakastani/Indian Wars
1 Tanzania/Ugandan War

Several Invasions by the USSR, most notably Afghanistan

Genocides in Bosnia, Rwanda and other places that the UN has done nothing, US took care of Bosnia.

I could go on but what is the point? The UN has suffered through more wars than the US and has done nothing to prevent them.

Sounds like the US wanted to be a "world police".

I voted yes because I believe the UN should move to a more welcoming country that actually follows international laws and respects human rights. In fact, it should move to Canada, given it was a Canadian who wrote the UN Human Rights Conventions to begin with and Canadians have a lot of respect for the UN, I think Canada would be a fabulous host for the UN. I also believe or at least think that the vast majority of Canadians would welcome the UN with open arms.

Put it on the island of Montreal.

I voted yes because I believe the UN should move to a more welcoming country that actually follows international laws and respects human rights. In fact, it should move to Canada, given it was a Canadian who wrote the UN Human Rights Conventions to begin with and Canadians have a lot of respect for the UN, I think Canada would be a fabulous host for the UN. I also believe or at least think that the vast majority of Canadians would welcome the UN with open arms.

I totally respect your comments.

Yeah, I'd like to see the HQ located elsewhere, like Switzerland or Sweden.

And, the USA is just another member of the UN (except from the veto power, but holding that they have a lot more responsibility), so they can't keep blaming the UN itself for inefficiency, corruption, whatever, without taking at least some of the blame themselves (IMO, they are responsible for a lot of it, with their usage of the veto power, and supporting/ignoring resolutions as it suits them).

Wait? The UN enforced some resolutions? :D

nyuk nyuk
What about Korea in 1950 and Kuwait in 1991? The relevant resolutions were enforced, weren't they?

Well the US should be the last people to bag the UN since it was there President Woodraw Wilson who created it's predecessor. But I admit that the UN is an incompetant and squabbling body, hopefully it doesn't take another world war to prove that it doesn't work, like the League of Nations didn't.

Change scares me.

Things shouldn't change.

Unless they include snowcones.
:)

Im pretty sick and tired of people bashing the US, especialy people on NS.

Thoughts?

"I wish the US would stop bashing the UN"

I'm a patriotic American who's pretty sick of certain Americans maligning the organization that our government helped create. Stop being so goddamned touchy about "America bashing;" you make it seem like the whole country is functionally retarded instead of only half.

The UN needs to move to a different country simply to remove the image that it's 'USA this USA that'. It's not really like that, but thats what people think.

I think it should go to a country in Africa or perhaps Latin America.

Im pretty sick and tired of people bashing the US, especialy people on NS.

Thoughts?


Well, where do you want to move the US? Some nice place like the middle east, for example?

Uh, O.K. just watching the news. You really want to move there?

Hey, does anybody else remember this arcade game where terrorists seize control of NYC and the UN building, and you're some sort of special ops machine gunner who's supposed to take them down ('Gun-something NY' or something like that)?

Personally I'd just play until NYC is libertated - then I'd do one of two things if it was allowed:
1) "Libertate" the UN building, but cause massive collateral damage to the building
2) "Fail" the level with the UN

:D

What about Korea in 1950 and Kuwait in 1991? The relevant resolutions were enforced, weren't they?

Someone missed the :D and the nyuck nyucks!

I know full well they did Olantia! It was what you would call, a joke.

Someone missed the :D and the nyuck nyucks!

I know full well they did Olantia! It was what you would call, a joke.
Who the hell are those nyuk nyuks? :rolleyes:

Well the US should be the last people to bag the UN since it was there President Woodraw Wilson who created it's predecessor.

:confused: What does this have to do with the UN? Also we were never part of the League of Nations.

But I admit that the UN is an incompetant and squabbling body, hopefully it doesn't take another world war to prove that it doesn't work, like the League of Nations didn't.

I agree with you.

"I wish the US would stop bashing the UN"

"I wish the world would stop bashing the US" but its an imperfect world.

I'm a patriotic American who's pretty sick of certain Americans maligning the organization that our government helped create. Stop being so goddamned touchy about "America bashing;" you make it seem like the whole country is functionally retarded instead of only half.

I'm a Patriotic American who will do as he pleases since I have the right to speak out against the UN. The UN has done jack to do anything that it states in its charter.

It is highly corrupt as all the scandals that have been exposed. I'm sorry but once the UN shapes up, then I might stop criticizing them.

Who the hell are those nyuk nyuks? :rolleyes:

3 stooges?

3 stooges?
Just in case my Journalism teacher barges in with his 2cents, I'd like to clarify that the 3 stooges are NOT Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld :D

It's Moe, Curly, and Larry

Actually I am glad the US consitantly bashes the UN, I hate it and it is corrupt and evil. I really should just be sestroyed but if we can't do that at least we can attempt to fix it by getting Bolton in there. I really hope he gets in. :)

3 stooges?
I suppose I am a representative of another culture. ;)

However, back to the UN. The UN cannot enforce anything, only the member states can. If they do not follow the UN resolutions... well, the organization has neither standing army nor police force. And I think that an idea of giving Mr Annan a standing army will be met with reasonable opposition... of many US conservatives, for example.

Yes UN leave New York. And don't let the door hit you on the way out...

...

*throws the door at the UN*

We can use the HQ for something better than the UN.

Actually I am glad the US consitantly bashes the UN, I hate it and it is corrupt and evil. I really should just be sestroyed but if we can't do that at least we can attempt to fix it by getting Bolton in there. I really hope he gets in. :)

I think getting rid of the corruption and making use of it for good is a better idea :rolleyes:

I voted yes on the poll, but not for UN bashing reasons. The US has played host to the UN since the UN's inception. In that time NY city has been home to numerous foreign officials with diplomatic immunity. They ignore traffic rules, commit misdemeanors, their family members also participate, and nobody can do anything about it because they have immunity. They can't be fined, they can't be imprisoned, and the only other option, deportation, causes too many diplomatic headaches to make it worthwhile unless they've commited crimes like murder or rape. Let someone else deal with these spoiled scumbags for a while. Why should the USA be saddled with them forever?

Put it in Geneva. I'm sure they'll love the sudden influx of disorder.

I think getting rid of the corruption and making use of it for good is a better idea :rolleyes:

It really is too far gone to save. It's only real purpose anymore is that it's a good place for intelliegence agencies to reaquire lost spies. If they want to keep it going, I say fine, but I want the United States to withdraw from it completely and entirely. I would find it entirely appropriate for John Bolton to get a recess appointment attend his first session, withdraw the US and disolve his position all in the same day.
Oh yes, and announce that all diplomatic immunity for delegates expires in 24 hours, but of course they are welcome to stay under the same conditions as everyone else. (half the corrupt bastards would be gone in a heart beat)

the UN should stay were it is. At least you can keep an eye on it and as some would say, control it, when its in the USA. Dont wish it away or it might happen! then before you know it it will be abusing its power in an anti-usa manner. if it moves we best start learning arabic!

the UN should stay were it is. At least you can keep an eye on it and as some would say, control it, when its in the USA. Dont wish it away or it might happen! then before you know it it will be abusing its power in an anti-usa manner. if it moves we best start learning arabic!

I went along with this argument when Ronald Regan first wanted to close it down, but the fact of the matter is, it is already abusing it's power in an anti-US manner on largely our own dime. Best to leave it, many of our allies will do the same and start a new organization with a completely re written charter more appropriate for the times.

Just in case my Journalism teacher barges in with his 2cents, I'd like to clarify that the 3 stooges are NOT Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld :D

It's Moe, Curly, and Larry
To paraphrase another stooge, "You forgot Shemp".

To paraphrase another stooge, "You forgot Shemp".

Kofi Annan is Shemp.

Liverbreath']I went along with this argument when Ronald Regan first wanted to close it down, but the fact of the matter is, it is already abusing it's power in an anti-US manner on largely our own dime. Best to leave it, many of our allies will do the same and start a new organization with a completely re written charter more appropriate for the times.

Well that might be the answer, scrap it and develop a new organisation that better reflects the current world climate we are in. In it original development it was not created to deal with international terrroisum. The requirment for world defense have change as we all know we are no longer trying to defend against invasion from other countries(i dont think any country is capable of invading the usa) but rather organizations

THE UN SHOULD BE A SPACE STATION OBITING THE EARTH, WITH A HIGH POWERED KINETIC MISSLE LAUNCHER TO KILL STUFF SO THAT AMERICA WONT HAVE TO SEND IN IT'S MARINES. :eek: