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This is one of the major reasons as to why Bush got re-elected.

Psychos like below.

From rightwingnews.com

10) "A war of real information and real issues alone is doomed to fail. The Texas Fascist Party carries elections by drawing the hordes of stupid white men who are itching to 'get even' for decades of imagined slights. Arguing issues with these people is pointless.

These people are not interested in issues, social justice, or even the fact that the US government will go bankrupt in a decade. All they want is to get back at welfare mothers, blacks, Arabs, immigrants, liberals, feminists, and intellectuals for shrinking their paychecks and threatening their masculinity. They are a nation of psychopaths created and sustained by right-wing hatred and are utterly beyond the limits of reason.

The way to approach this vital segment of the electorate is not with issues but rather with propaganda. Speak to their hatred and direct it not towards the goals of the Texas Fascist Party but rather against them. Make them hate not liberals for raising taxes but rather offshoring that deprives them of their jobs. Make them hate big government which takes from hard working people such as themselves and gives it to the rich. Chanelling hatred, not addressing issues, is the challenge for resistance propagandists." -- Resistance Is Futile

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9) "Doesn't a part of you wish that Queasy and Duh-day were alive?

I'll admit they're scum and rightfully so, but anything that lands as even more humiliation on W's grotesque shrivelled face is that much the better.

It's sad, really, that as despicable as they are, Saddam's family seems to be the lesser of two evils when you compare them to the wretched little b*stard* occupying the White House and destroying America in the process..." -- thermodynamic

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8) "I'm assuming (Michael Kelly's) family won't be reading this, but frankly, I'm gratified to learn that he paid the ultimate price for his sins of warmongering. This guy was scum. My first thoughts on seeing the thread were that I hoped it was that scum Post warmongering writer. My second thought was that it was a late April Fool's joke. But no false sadness from me, only happiness that someone as mean and vicious as Mike Kelly got what was coming. As for all the posts about "coming by his views honestly" and "not speaking ill of the dead", congratulations on taking the high road guys, but *ssholes like Kelly have to die sometime, and I prefer it is as a direct result of their sins. But what do I know, I'm happy that Reagan has Alzheimers and that * has access to pretzels. I wish death on my enemies, and these guys are enemies." -- jackswift on the death of Michael Kelly in Iraq

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7) "well...I guess I'm "supposed" to feel good about (Saddam being captured) Because he is a "brutal dictator" who "killed thousands of his own people."

But he was also a guy who posed no threat to us. And a guy who managed to keep a hostile area of the world relatively sedate (albeith through brutal tactics). And a guy who was a secular muslim leader instead of a hardcore fundamentalist.

But I think in cold, crass political terms. I think it's good for Bush so I think it's bad for me. So I'm not happy, and I don't care if it's politically incorrect to say so." -- Magic Rat

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6) "...We know the recall's about getting a Repub Gov. in office in order to make California easier to steal, or make the 2004 Election at least close ENOUGH to steal our precious Electoral votes. We know it has nothing to do with Gray Davis being crummy, really.

...I think Rove's got something particularly nasty up his sleeve this time that will change Arnold's fortunes dramatically. I mean, he's about to subject himself and Maria to more salient stories about what he calls "getting my helmet polished." This could be humiliating to him, even before he loses. But what if he "knew" the fix was in?

...My tinfoil hat theory is this:

ROVE/BUSH/CHENEY ARE GOING TO INSTIGATE SOME MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) TERROR ATTACK, BIO ATTACK IN THE US, MAYBE CALIFORNIA, WHEREBY CALIFORNIANS WILL BE CLAMORING FOR A "STRONG" GOVERNOR TO PROTECT US! THEY CAN FINISH THE JOB ENRON STARTED, AND GET A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR TO HAND THEM THE STATE IN 2004." -- CaptainMidnight

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5) "The capture of Saddam is all fine and good, but does how does this help someone facing a bleak Christmas because they lost their job? How does this help someone with an illness who just lost their insurance coverage? How does this help someone who's underemployed, working several jobs and struggling to pay the mortgage? It just don't make me any money." -- bushwentawol

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4) "..I expect that the A**HOLES and Sons of B****ES at www.rightwingnews.com will try to smear us first with stupid EDITED POSTS then insist that the feds arrest all of us as traitors. Typical of a Nazi group. Typical of low-life Fascist and Racist Pigs. They will try to scare us off. These people fear free speech because it tears their mask off. I have ONE MESSAGE for them...

Well, you ba****ds, bring it on. I ain't afraid of your f***in jails. Bring it on, you worthless bunches of s**t! You saltless wastes of human skin!

Turn me in! Have ME arrested! Go ahead, you idiots! Bug my telephones! Follow me! Spy on me! Track me down through the internet! VIOLATE my constitutional rights! I hate this stupid oil-war fever! NO WAR for BIG OIL AND SUVs! NO WAR! The ROTUS SUCKS! ARREST ME for giving that chimpanzee the "finger!!" THE ROTUS SUCKS!

And so does his useless, worthless,politically motivated war! And so do YOU, you products of a bowel movement! You are a worthless bunch of morons who want to feed us all to the cannons while you (chickenhawks ) sit next to your swimming pools! Have ME arrested for SPEAKING OUT! Bring it on! Turn ME in as a traitor to your Joe McCarthy Homeland Security, you goose-stepping, "HEIL HITLER" fools!

I hereby challenge you!

I GUARANTEE that you a**holes will regret the day you were born if you mess with this black woman.

Steal and PRINT THIS POST, if you dare!

(Forgive me Lord--this really made me mad!)" -- brensgrrl

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3) "When the 2nd plane hit the WTC I remember thinking......OMG, he's got his war now. Then, the next day or the day after that, when the roar of "war with Iraq and Afganistan" really got going I couldn't help but think "well Bush II get's to finish Daddy's work now". As for when the plane hit the Pentagon and the other plane went down in that field in Penn I screamed at the TV, "Get the WH, for God's sake you missed the WH." I invented some cuss words on that one. There were times before 9/11 as well as in the days to follow that the boy king mentioned Saddam "tried to kill my Dad" and couldn't help but scream at the TV each time, "Well, give him a medal for effort anyway." -- LiberalLibra

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2) "What we MUST realize in order to win - Americans are stupid and uninformed. This is very important because in order to win we must understand the way the average American thinks. I'm afraid WE have nothing in common with them.

I came to the two following conclusions when I saw the large number of people who voted for Bush back in 2000.

#1 - I would dare to assume that most of us here are in the upper 1%-20% of the population intelligence-wise. We must come to the realization that the majority of the population is in the lower 80% to 99% percent of the bell-curve. WE are not the norm. The Republicans understand that the average American is not very bright. They cater and pander to the masses. The Democratic Party tries to appeal to the population about "issues" that these people just don't understand.

I've heard it said that the reason that Clinton's sex scandal resonated so strongly among "the people" was because it was a scandal that the average American understood. The average person can't understand a financial scandal.

In addition, people of average or lower intelligence tend to not be as logical or reasoned as those of higher intelligence - they deal with emotion. Therefore they are more likely to get riled up about someone burning a flag rather than a illogical tax cut.

#2 - The majority of people do not read the newspaper OR listen to the news, CNN, etc. Therefore -they get their news from the Tonight Show, Letterman, Oprah and Saturday Night Live. Or, they get their news from talking to their co-workers at the water cooler.

Also, for the few people who DO listen to the news - who do they hear it from? Fox News and Bill O'Reilly are the most popular. Most newspapers and media outlets are owned by Republicans.

THIS is what we are fighting against people. In order to win we will need to start pandering to the masses." -- Janekat

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1) "I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids. Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accompishing squat in Iraq, they are doing crap nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot.

The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil barron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a sh*t hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free. Soldiers usually did that directly--i.e., fight those invading and harming a country. This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent. They need to die so that Americans get rid of this deadly scum. It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts." -- Starpass
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Ah, the liberal left. Cannot argue back.

Canada City']Ah, the liberal left. Cannot argue back.

Wait a minute. So you = liberal or conservative?

You've got me confused... :confused:

These people need some serious mental help.

"I GUARANTEE that you a**holes will regret the day you were born if you mess with this black woman."

What do you think would happen if I said: "I guarantee you will regret the day you were born if you mess with this white man," huh?

Canada City']This is one of the major reasons as to why Bush got re-elected.


Because of 10 random quotations on the internet?


riiiight.

Because of 10 random quotations on the internet?


riiiight.

Actually, I think he was referring to the mentality of some of those on the left.

Actually, I think he was referring to the mentality of some of those on the left.

Meh, everyside has their wackos.

Pretending that liberals are the only ones is just silly.

Meh, everyside has their wackos.

Pretending that liberals are the only ones is just silly.

True. But to me, the ones on the far left seem to be further out of touch with reality than those on the right.

True. But to me, the ones on the far left seem to be further out of touch with reality than those on the right.
Ann Coulter.

Meh, everyside has their wackos.

Pretending that liberals are the only ones is just silly.
Oh believe me...there's plenty of wackos on the right, too. It's just that the ones on the left seem to be more plentiful because they're more visible and louder.

Ann Coulter calls them idiots, but she doesn't go around making secret plans with her hideous fascist cronies about how the rest of America is out to get them and how they have to trick them into voting for their candidates.

ZOMG U FAZISHTZ WITEZ I R STRUNG BLAK WUMUN!!111 WACH OOT R I WIL KAL U TEH RACIZT AND FAZISHT AGUN. WUT CLARENCE THOMAS IZn't A REEL BLAK HE R TEH WITEZ PUPET.

Ann Coulter.

Enough said. :)

Ann Coulter calls them idiots, but she doesn't go around making secret plans with her hideous fascist cronies about how the rest of America is out to get them and how they have to trick them into voting for their candidates.

ZOMG U FAZISHTZ WITEZ I R STRUNG BLAK WUMUN!!111
Yeah, but have they advocated blowing up the New York Times?

Yeah, but have they advocated blowing up the New York Times?

No, just the World trade towers :)

Ann Coulter.

That is probably the only responce one needs.....

However, my favorite conservative quote would have to be:

"For seven and a half years I've worked alongside President Reagan. We've had triumphs. Made some mistakes. We've had some sex...uh...setbacks." —George Bush, Sr.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blclassicquotes.htm

Doesn't that explain everything....

PS. Pulling a few lines from the extreme left or the extreme right does not really prove anything. Meanwhile, the extreme right is going mainstream.. Ann "Kill them all or force them to convert" Coulter made it on the cover of time. I hardly imagine any of those people making it higher than a list serv.

No, just the World trade towers :)
*stares* What the hell are you on?

If she did, I'm sure it would be in jest. Sounds like it's a joke playing off of some liberals' tolerance of terror, but I'll have to look this up.

Meanwhile, the extreme right is going mainstream.. Ann "Kill them all or force them to convert" Coulter made it on the cover of time. I hardly imagine any of those people making it higher than a list serv.

I thought that was happening with the extreme left and Democrats?

The same thing could be said for them, and even more, they're growing crazy not being able to win any elections. Eventually they'll snap and start burning churches.

*stares* What the hell are you on?

*nods*

Ward Churchill, my friend. Read the article the thread starter posted. There was one bit about "you forgot the whitehouse, you forgot the whitehouse". What kind of an idiot would advocate blowing up the capital of their own country?

Of course, I'm no fan of Ann Coulter, either.

Meanwhile, the extreme right is going mainstream.. Ann "Kill them all or force them to convert" Coulter made it on the cover of time. I hardly imagine any of those people making it higher than a list serv.
Howard Dean
Dick Durbin
Harry Reid
Barbara Boxer
Diane Feinstien
Nancy Pelosi

Looks like the extreme left, while not going "mainstream", are definitely taking over the Democrat party as well.

Eventually they'll snap and start burning churches.
Not quite burning...but just one little step away from it.

http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualsattackchurch.htm

http://www.connectionmagazine.org/2003_09/ts_homosexuals_attack.htm

http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?action=eventview&event_id=706

Bastard child of this hegemonic cluster-fuck, his majesty the baby, George W. Bush, throws global-wide tantrums of thwarted entitlement.

Source (http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/06/29_bubble.html)

You think the people writing this kind of garbage are on the fringe of the Democratic party? Think again. The Republicans have pushed them back so far recently in a total battering at the ballot box that they've been pushed to the very edge.

True. But to me, the ones on the far left seem to be further out of touch with reality than those on the right.
Of course they do, to you.

Howard Dean
Dick Durbin
Harry Reid
Barbara Boxer
Diane Feinstien
Nancy Pelosi

Looks like the extreme left, while not going "mainstream", are definitely taking over the Democrat party as well.
You Americans are so sheltered. Those guys are centre-left at best, and they didn't say any of the above DU quotes.

Seriously, what extreme-left* policies do you see them proposing?



*gun control, healthcare, environmental regulation, even if undesirable, are not extreme policies.

Not quite burning...but just one little step away from it.

http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualsattackchurch.htm

http://www.connectionmagazine.org/2003_09/ts_homosexuals_attack.htm

http://www.peroutka2004.com/schedule/index.php?action=eventview&event_id=706
You're just as bad as the Democratic Underground, who probably think that the Matthew Shepard murder was a Republican Party operation.

It bears noting that trolling a forum for questionable comments is possible on almost every web forum. I could come up with some choice quotes from NationStates if I really felt like it.

Also, there is no such thing as the "Democrat party" in the United States. And Diane Feinstein isn't exactly an "extreme left"ist....in fact, I recall many posts on DU attacking her for not being liberal enough.

It bears noting that trolling a forum for questionable comments is possible on almost every web forum. I could come up with some choice quotes from NationStates if I really felt like it.

Also, there is no such thing as the "Democrat party" in the United States. And Diane Feinstein isn't exactly an "extreme left"ist....in fact, I recall many posts on DU attacking her for not being liberal enough.

*makes mental note not to ever post on the DU forum* :D

Of course they do, to you.


You Americans are so sheltered. Those guys are centre-left at best, and they didn't say any of the above DU quotes.



You forgot to add: "in Europe, those guys are centre-left at best..."

Domestic Politics, in the U.S., they're not-quite-fringe left.


*gun control, healthcare, environmental regulation, even if undesirable, are not extreme policies.


You're just as bad as the Democratic Underground, who probably think that the Matthew Shepard murder was a Republican Party operation.

Bring up the subject and see how long it takes for Karl Rove's name to be invoked., or GW Bush's, as being "Responsible" for it.

You forgot to add: "in Europe, those guys are centre-left at best..."

Domestic Politics, in the U.S., they're not-quite-fringe left.

I don't think of these things relatively. If I did, sure in the USSR Stalin would probably be a centrist, and Krushchev would be very libertarian.

Bring up the subject and see how long it takes for Karl Rove's name to be invoked., or GW Bush's, as being "Responsible" for it.
I agree, it's silly, with the trolls. That murder happened before Bush and Rove even got into power!

And if the Far-Left democrats continue on as they are now, be it what posters on a forum or what politicians are actually saying, they'll continue to lose in elections.

The Democratic Party needs to change. Dean is making things worse for them because the Republican Party has raised more money by nearly 3-1 than the democratic party has.

To bad the FBI and Secret Service can't do anything about Democratic Underground. Some of that warrents investigation.

And if the Far-Left democrats continue on as they are now, be it what posters on a forum or what politicians are actually saying, they'll continue to lose in elections.
Do you actually have difficult differentiating? Or do you assume that what any leftist wacko on this forum says to be official Democratic policy?

Aren't people supposed to be individuals in America? Can't they hold opinions of their own without being forced into polarised groups?

Aren't people supposed to be individuals in America? Can't they hold opinions of their own without being forced into polarised groups?

Apparently not.

Do you actually have difficult differentiating? Or do you assume that what any leftist wacko on this forum says to be official Democratic policy?

If you bothered to READ, I said be it what posters on a forum say and what A politician actually says......

I do make a differenciation between the two. A politician has more clout than a peon on a chat forum. However, what a politician says has an annoying habit of coming right back at him and thus, he's looking for a new job.

Aren't people supposed to be individuals in America?

Last time I checked.

Can't they hold opinions of their own without being forced into polarised groups?

To bad everything is polarized as it is.

Well, I am far left, and these people don't speak for me. Please don't make the mistake of confusing ten idiots on a forum somewhere as representative of my side of the political spectrum.

Well, I am far left, and these people don't speak for me. Please don't make the mistake of confusing ten idiots on a forum somewhere as representative of my side of the political spectrum.

I take it you never been to democratic Underground. There are more than 10 idiots there.

Your right though that people shouldn't equat everyone with them. My apologies for doing such.

To bad everything is polarized as it is.
But you are proud to be adding to this problem? I don't see why what any poster on this forum says should count for jack on getting particular politicians elected.

So, you will start posting here Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, or rush limbaugh quotes? Those are funny too! :D

But you are proud to be adding to this problem? I don't see why what any poster on this forum says should count for jack on getting particular politicians elected.

We don't have to go by forums on how politicians get elected. Its what a politician says and does that decides if they get elected or not. The Democratic Party is finding out that you cannot run on a liberal platform in a conservative America. They will lose most of the time if they do.

The Democratic Party does need reforms and it starts with the leadership. Howard Dean does need to be replaced because he isn't bringing in the money. That is going to hurt when the midterms come up.

So, you will start posting here Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, or rush limbaugh quotes? Those are funny too! :D

Portu,

I have to agree with you. Some of what they say are very very funny. However Ann Coulter is a very very annoying individual. Even I tune her out.

We don't have to go by forums on how politicians get elected. Its what a politician says and does that decides if they get elected or not. The Democratic Party is finding out that you cannot run on a liberal platform in a conservative America. They will lose most of the time if they do.

The Democratic Party does need reforms and it starts with the leadership. Howard Dean does need to be replaced because he isn't bringing in the money. That is going to hurt when the midterms come up.

Wait, America is conservative?

*blink blink*

Not where I live. Hell, Orange County is supposed to be a bastion of conservatism in California, and it seems to be pretty liberal to me.

We don't have to go by forums on how politicians get elected. Its what a politician says and does that decides if they get elected or not. The Democratic Party is finding out that you cannot run on a liberal platform in a conservative America. They will lose most of the time if they do.

"A conservative America" sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. It's not like they're suffering landslide defeats.

"A conservative America" sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. It's not like they're suffering landslide defeats.

Considering they haven't won an election since 1994....

yea, they are definitely reeling from defeat after defeat. Why? People are tired of their BS. Besides that, after decades of democrat control, I wouldn't be surprised if the republicans hold onto the power they have now for about as long.

*gun control, healthcare, environmental regulation, even if undesirable, are not extreme policies.

Gun control and healthcare are extreme policies. Can't prove me wrong, can you? No, because it's all relative to the individual. I consider them absurd and infuriating, and if someone tries to forcibly take my firearm away in the name of law I will defend myself. I'd say that's extreme.

There's a reason why Bush won by such a wide margin. People get really turned off by this kind of talk

the most recent presidential election was decided by like 2%, and Kerry was pretty conservative. 2% is not a landslide.

Saying "they haven't won an election since 1996" is misleading and false. If you added "presidential," it would be less so, but still misleading. That only means they have lost 2 in a row. And they have won plenty of other elections, there are still democratic senators.

And like someone said, the "liberals" in this country as pretty conservative on a non-relative scale.


“The enemy isn’t conservatism. The enemy isn’t liberalism. The enemy is bullshit." —Lars-Erik Nelson, political columnist"

I fully agree. Ignorant extreme liberals piss me off, ignorant moderate liberals piss me off, ignorant centrists piss me off, ignorant moderate conservatives piss me off, ignorant extreme conservatives piss me off. But, no matter where on the spectrum you fall, if you are intelligent, informed, have well thought out views that are your own, and can defend them with fact and logic, I find that I have alot of respect for, and agree alot with these people, regardless of where on the spectrum you fall.

You can't say one side is more extreme than the other, because anyone on any side can be "extreme" or "reduculous," so long as they have a different outlook from you.

There's a reason why Bush won by such a wide margin. People get really turned off by this kind of talk
It was one of the closest margins in history.

There's a reason why Bush won by such a wide margin. People get really turned off by this kind of talk

How wide was that margin? 1%? (something like that, I think) One percent doesn't seem all that wide to me, regardless of how many voters actually make up that one percent.

And like someone said, the "liberals" in this country as pretty conservative on a non-relative scale.

All scales are relative.

How wide was that margin? 1%? (something like that, I think) One percent doesn't seem all that wide to me, regardless of how many voters actually make up that one percent.

Actually 3% and in the grand scheme of things, that's still hefty. May not seem like it but when you look at how many million votes he won by, it is.

Actually 3% and in the grand scheme of things, that's still hefty. May not seem like it but when you look at how many million votes he won by, it is.

That also doesn't include the ballots from voters outside the country. I.E. Military overseas, Business etc. Those are not counted unless necessary and would have gone in favor of Bush by about 80 to 85%. One reason Gore attempted to invalidate them the first time around. But those are things never heard of after the fact.

This proves just how obsessed the neoconservatives are with liberals and Democrats.

And the moderates disappear...

All scales are relative.


Ok, on a more international scale, such as the one for the Political Compass many of us took. There is a quantified, accepted scale, I believe.

And like someone said, the "liberals" in this country as pretty conservative on a non-relative scale.
There is a reason for that.

If the liberals in the US, if they came out and espoused the truly modern liberal policies they believe in, would never win another election except for local positions in very liberal states. The majority of Americans are moderates with slightly conservative leanings. That's why Dick Durbin got his ass handed to him by the American people. The minute that "gulag" crap came out of his mouth, the Congressional switchboard got jammed with calls from all over the US and especially calls from his home state. If he's up for re-election in '06, he'll get ousted.

The reason liberal politicians (and conservatives as well) don't espouse the more extreme policies they believe in is because you can't foist immediate and extreme change on the US...there would be an immediate revolt. That's why they seem so centrist to the rest of the world.

These are the ten worst? Hell, some were pretty damn bad. But others weren't. Take #5 for example; "How does Saddam being captured make MY life better?"

That's a very good question. We spent billions of dollars on something that has NO DIRECT EFFECT on the American taxpayer. In a roundabout way, reducing the chances of Saddam developing and possibly even distributing WMD over time is a good thing...But MAN that's a lot of ifs, possiblys, chances, and such.

The fact that he was a brutal dictator in his own naiton had NO DIRECT EFFECT on the US citizenry. But we've been fed the idea that this man was somehow worth the hundreds of billions of dollars we paid for his capture. That seems...questionable.

Why was Saddam's capture worth so damn much money? How much of that money would have been better spent on the poor and the needy here? How much of that would have been better spent on port security and border patrols? How much of that would have been better spent on Airline Security and Nuclear Power station security? Hmm?

In my view #5 is a VERY good question, one that does not deserve the kneejerk response it was given here. Justify yourself; Is taking down Kim Jong Il ALSO worth 200 billion? How much is each dictator gonna cost us, and how many are we planning on taking down? Why was it important to US the people who PAY for the Government to fund this little game of hide and go seek with Saddam?