NationStates Jolt Archive

One is lead by a warmongering bible basher the other has a two faced liar with his tounge up the others arse!

But ours speaks like a relatively normal person. :) And ours has a majority that isn't really a majority (37%), so he'll be out soon.

They're both good in their different and distinct ways.

How very diplomatic of me lol!

Niether will be removed as long as big industries continue to make money from their policies

Niether will be removed as long as big industries continue to make money from their policies Well, it all hangs on the meaning of the word "removed", doesn't it…?

The difference between Tony B Liar and a carp? One's a bottom feeding scum sucker and the other's a fish

The United Kingdom has the best health service in the world(i know, hard to believe), the greatest history, the best welfare system and lots of other things. In the UK people have the right to think and talk without the federal agency attacking their rights under the guise of civil protection. america stands for liberty, but the uk is the only free nation out of the two.

I found an interesting fact that the USA spends more on healthcare than the rest of the world, but healthcare is actually better in other countries who spend much much less.

USA v UK, Which is better off?

Oh, and quit making these threads.

I think we're better off in the UK. At least our leader actually won his first election...

I found an interesting fact that the USA spends more on healthcare than the rest of the world, but healthcare is actually better in other countries who spend much much less.



Oh, and quit making these threads.


:rolleyes: Yeah if you like waiting on a list for a year or two for surgery. :rolleyes:

the u.s. is not only a ecomonic powerhouse but THE BEST MILITARY there are 20200 nukes in the world and 20000 of them belong to the faded U.S.S.R. or the most addvaned military in the the U.S. the UK need liberty ships in WW2 just to maintain a groupe of bad teethed celtic and queer sing like the worst piano player ever Elton John :headbang:

Here's some interesting sites made by Americans themselves:

America No. 1? (http://207.44.245.159/article8191.htm)
Why do they hate us? (http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html)

Also, an interesting conversation popped up with a friend online who was American, he said that America was the richest and most genrous country in the world. It's actually Luxembourg <.<

(Btw, just to clarify this, I don't hate Americans, I just hate American politics)

i agree, removed is a relative term. as to the health system its a shambles the uk has some of the dirtest hospitals in the world! with long waiting lists and a lack of localy avalible specialist. in the uk you have no choice to accept this. in the usa you can chose your own health insurance. howerver it does have the best trained docters just a lack of funding

the u.s. is not only a ecomonic powerhouse but THE BEST MILITARY there are 20200 nukes in the world and 20000 of them belong to the faded U.S.S.R. or the most addvaned military in the the U.S. the UK need liberty ships in WW2 just to maintain a groupe of bad teethed celtic and queer sing like the worst piano player ever Elton John

America has to borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function.

Tell me, have you heard of the words trade deficit?

And, it's a matter of debate whether America has "The best military". You have a bloated, post-cold war military budget that means nothing. I'd have to say The UK armed forces are the best trained.

I'm not even going to touch on your stereotyping.

It doesn't really matter which one anyone thinks is better. No one on this forum can do anything about it, so you end up just bitching and you look like a complete idiot.

If you want to get active in your own governemnt you need to start at the local level, vote, get involved, or shut up.

I think we're better off in the UK. At least our leader actually won his first election...

so did Bush, following Florida election laws that were in place at the time

after about two weeks it became clear the Gore wanted them to just keep counting and re-counting until he came up with enough votes to win Florida. Of course, he never had enough in the first place.

i agree, removed is a relative term. as to the health system its a shambles the uk has some of the dirtest hospitals in the world! with long waiting lists and a lack of localy avalible specialist. in the uk you have no choice to accept this. in the usa you can chose your own health insurance. howerver it does have the best trained docters just a lack of funding

Seriously, you need to stop basing your facts on what you see on TV. I agree the NHS is currently in need of a major renovation but it's not as bad as you think it is.

The us may have the largest and best equiped army in the world, but they couldn't hit water if they fell out a boat. There tactics are a discrace. The usa asks the UK for help when the shit hits the fan and the problem cant be solved with carpet bombing!

Yes, during WW2, America could only firebomb Japan and drop Atomic weapons. It's not that hard to drop bombs - oh wait, America has problems doing that properly as well!

How wonderful, a thread where liberals can wallow in self-pity together :D

America has to borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function.

Tell me, have you heard of the words trade deficit?

And, it's a matter of debate whether America has "The best military". You have a bloated, post-cold war military budget that means nothing. I'd have to say The UK armed forces are the best trained.

I'm not even going to touch on your stereotyping.

Do you have a source that isn't biased?

Do you have a source that isn't biased?

Have you even read the sites? The writers clearly state that they aren't biased and just wanted to bring the facts to light.

Yes, FACTS.

REPLY TO THIS THREAD! SPREAD ANIMOSITY! LET'S ALL HATE EACH OTHER, THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD!

Seriously. Debating whether a country is better than another country!?!

First of all, barely anyone here has REALLY experienced life & culture in both countries.

Secondly, all of our opinions are skewed by the mass media and the education we've received from a young age.

Thirdly, we all have no life, as we hang out all day on fourms such as this, debating which country can beat the other country up.

"My country can kick your country's butt! (arse for you brits... but seriously... arse?)"

Here's some interesting sites made by Americans themselves:

America No. 1? (http://207.44.245.159/article8191.htm)
Why do they hate us? (http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html)

Also, an interesting conversation popped up with a friend online who was American, he said that America was the richest and most genrous country in the world. It's actually Luxembourg <.<

(Btw, just to clarify this, I don't hate Americans, I just hate American politics)
From the first site:
Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
*cough*bullshit*cough*

That discredits everything on that site, statistics are so easily manipulated.

This will turn into nothing but mediocre flaming. There will be people from Britain complaining about how we're supposadely free but not really. Obviously they've never lived here, we are free despite the propoganda. There will be Americans belittling Britain. They've obviously never been to Britain.

The countries are suprisingly similar, the standards of living are nearly identical, and we enjoy basically the same levels of freedom. The only problem I have with England is that it rains too much.

Have you even read the sites? The writers clearly state that they aren't biased and just wanted to bring the facts to light.

Yes, FACTS.

Just because they STATE they aren't biased doesn't mean they are not.

I mean.. HELLO they keep referring back to a single book the EUROPEAN DREAM.. gee that isn't biased or anything now is it.

I think that America THINKS that it's great, but it Isn't:
-They think they are the richest nation in the world; they aren't. as Vampad said, Luxembourg is. (Which I'm very proud of, because my own RL last name is Van Luxemburg (Dutch)
-most free nation, PWAH! Netherlands has more Freedom than that nation of sh*tty cowboys.
-Do you Americans have ever heard of AOW (Dutch, this means that if you can't work you will get paid by the government.) as far as I know, the Americans don't know it.
- You don't have your own language: It's English, just like Great Britain speaks, only with a different accent to it.

-I don't hate America.

- and i could think of a few facts for the UK.

REPLY TO THIS THREAD! SPREAD ANIMOSITY! LET'S ALL HATE EACH OTHER, THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD!

Seriously. Debating whether a country is better than another country!?!

First of all, barely anyone here has REALLY experienced life & culture in both countries.

Secondly, all of our opinions are skewed by the mass media and the education we've received from a young age.

Thirdly, we all have no life, as we hang out all day on fourms such as this, debating which country can beat the other country up.

"My country can kick your country's butt! (arse for you brits... but seriously... arse?)"


Amen to that. Now who is up for a pint? :D

Arse is a much better word than ass. So the UK wins.

But I do agree with the whole "My country is better than yours" bullshit. Its a little childish if not a guise for hate mongering.

i agree, removed is a relative term. as to the health system its a shambles the uk has some of the dirtest hospitals in the world! with long waiting lists and a lack of localy avalible specialist. in the uk you have no choice to accept this. in the usa you can chose your own health insurance. howerver it does have the best trained docters just a lack of funding

The NHS may have issues with MRSA at the moment but it's the best health service in the world - I'd much rather have a handful of people die a year because of MRSA than the alarming amount of people who die in the US because they can't afford healthcare...
You can choose your own health insurance in the UK if you feel the need to, and as for lack of funding, as the usa has proven, you can throw as much money as you like at hospitals but the problems aren't purely economical!!

I'd be interested to know what you base these facts on, wouldn't be surprised if you are a daily mail reader and urge you to go and visit India and Africa before harping on about dirty hospitals.

And seriously... a debate about which country is better? I recall arguments in primary school over who's dad would win in a fight...

REPLY TO THIS THREAD! SPREAD ANIMOSITY! LET'S ALL HATE EACH OTHER, THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD!

Seriously. Debating whether a country is better than another country!?!

First of all, barely anyone here has REALLY experienced life & culture in both countries.

Secondly, all of our opinions are skewed by the mass media and the education we've received from a young age.

Thirdly, we all have no life, as we hang out all day on fourms such as this, debating which country can beat the other country up.

"My country can kick your country's butt! (arse for you brits... but seriously... arse?)"

I am here to discuss and analise the issues, in a light hearted manner. Which is the way to come up with solutions. This is not simply a schoolboy argument of who has the "better country"

"the u.s. is not only a ecomonic powerhouse but THE BEST MILITARY there are 20200 nukes in the world and 20000 of them belong to the faded U.S.S.R. or the most addvaned military in the the U.S. the UK need liberty ships in WW2 just to maintain a groupe of bad teethed celtic and queer sing like the worst piano player ever Elton John"

Wow you're countries so awesome! It has hundreds more n00ks than anyone else!

Don't forget that your "oh so awesome" US left britain in the lurch against the nazis for TWO YEARS before they joined in cause the Japanese kicked their ass. O but now "you won WWII cause you invented fire bombs and nukes. While we're hopeless because we we carpet bombed by the nazis and sacrificed our empire to protect the world from the nazis. But now, so they tell me, the US won cause you were awesome.

I really shouldn't have dropped to your level, but ignorance and mindless stereotyping should be combatted wherever they are found.

The NHS may have issues with MRSA at the moment but it's the best health service in the world - I'd much rather have a handful of people die a year because of MRSA than the allarming amount of people who die in the US because they can't afford healthcare...
You can choose your own health insurance in the UK if you feel the need to, and as for lack of funding, as the usa has proven, you can throw as much money as you like at hospitals but the problems aren't purely economical!!

yes you can chose your own health insurance but you still have to pay the national health insurance. the govenment still takes your money for a shit service, and only the rich can afford a decent one

I think that America THINKS that it's great, but it Isn't:
-They think they are the richest nation in the world; they aren't. as Vampad said, Luxembourg is. (Which I'm very proud of, because my own RL last name is Van Luxemburg (Dutch)
-most free nation, PWAH! Netherlands has more Freedom than that nation of sh*tty cowboys.
-Do you Americans have ever heard of AOW (Dutch, this means that if you can't work you will get paid by the government.) as far as I know, the Americans don't know it.
- You don't have your own language: It's English, just like Great Britain speaks, only with a different accent to it.

1. Luxembourg has only 460,000 people, and is in one of the best economic locations in Europe. It doesn't need a military, and government costs are low.
Thus, its economy has fewer constraints than the US, who has the largest economy in the world. By the way, richest does not equal per capita GDP but rather net GDP.

2. Nation of shitty cowboys? You don't hate America? A little ignorant seeing as less than 1/2 of 1% of Americans are actually cowboys.

3. People don't need to be subsidized by the government if they lose their job. It is their responsibility to find work, not ket the govt. take care of them.

Netherlands unemployment is 6.7%, US 5.1%

4. Our language is the most important in the world in business, and anyone who wants to compete on a global level has to know it.

I think that America THINKS that it's great, but it Isn't:
-They think they are the richest nation in the world; they aren't. as Vampad said, Luxembourg is. (Which I'm very proud of, because my own RL last name is Van Luxemburg (Dutch)
-most free nation, PWAH! Netherlands has more Freedom than that nation of sh*tty cowboys.
-Do you Americans have ever heard of AOW (Dutch, this means that if you can't work you will get paid by the government.) as far as I know, the Americans don't know it.
- You don't have your own language: It's English, just like Great Britain speaks, only with a different accent to it.

-I don't hate America.

- and i could think of a few facts for the UK.

It's very interesting that you put EVERY American into one category, like we're all exactely the same. That shows me that you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Most fo us don't think we are the richest country, and are well aware of our national debt. Good for Luxembourg for being the richest nation... money only goes so far. And no one cares what your last name is.

We are a free nation, but I'm not sure we say that we're the most free nation. I really know that you have no idea about us because you refer to us all as "Shitty Cowboys". We rarely see actual cowboys anymore, in fact that era went out a long time ago, do they update your textbooks over there?

AOW? As far as you know, you know nothing at all. America has loads of welfare programs to help those in need. There are probably 50 or so that are just like the AOW system you spoke of. Seriously, do some research.

Please people, before you post, get your facts right... lest you make yourself look like an idiot.

(snip)

4. Our language is the most important in the world in business, and anyone who wants to compete on a global level has to know it.


That maybe true to some extent, but Chinese and Japanese are right up there.

Oh come on you people, don't take everything so seriously!
I'm pretty sure van luxemburg didn't mean to insult anyone personally.

That maybe true to some extent, but Chinese and Japanese are right up there.

I agree, but it was more of a point against their elitist condemnation of my country. Chinese wil become at least #3 in importance, if not #2 in the near future.

the u.s. is not only a ecomonic powerhouse but THE BEST MILITARY there are 20200 nukes in the world and 20000 of them belong to the faded U.S.S.R. or the most addvaned military in the the U.S. the UK need liberty ships in WW2 just to maintain a groupe of bad teethed celtic and queer sing like the worst piano player ever Elton John :headbang:

The only thing the US army every charged was the 10% they charged on the money they lent the uk in ww2. (the wordplay may be lost on some yanks)

Oh come on you people, don't take everything so seriously!
I'm pretty sure van luxemburg didn't mean to insult anyone personally.

The insult was him posting without knowing the facts. It's more of an insult to intelligent life forms. It's not at a personal level. If someone posts untrue or biased "facts" we have every right to shoot them down for it.

Oh come on you people, don't take everything so seriously!
I'm pretty sure van luxemburg didn't mean to insult anyone personally.

I know, but there are times when you get tired of hearing baseless America bashing without any support.

Firstly, this is a retarded thread. NO nation is 'better' than another, 'better' implies a list of subjective factors, so this is all utterly pointless.

It does seem however, that much of the USA's population have their heads stuck far up their own arses. Watch out for China you suckers, you'll be struggling to learn Mandarin in 150 years, and kicking yourselves for being so f-ing cocky about your capacities and superiority all the time.

The only thing the US army every charged was the 10% they charged on the money they lent the uk in ww2. (the wordplay may be lost on some yanks)

Don't worry, I get it. :)

1. I have learned at highschool that the best economic position is near water (sea, Ocean)
2. it is just a lie that America (The USA) consists of Cowboys, I know.
3. If you lost your Job, wouldn't it be great to get some money so you can pay your bills in the time you're looking for a new Job?
4. OUR? It's just as good the language of Canada, Great Britain and Ireland, it makes no sense that it's important, I meant that there is no language called american, it's just English.

but what I meant was, that SOME of the Americans think they're the best of the world, I tried to prove otherwise with (*Ahum*) facts. I could think of some for any nation in the world (even my own nation).

(snip)

Don't forget that your "oh so awesome" US left britain in the lurch against the nazis for TWO YEARS before they joined in cause the Japanese kicked their ass. O but now "you won WWII cause you invented fire bombs and nukes. While we're hopeless because we we carpet bombed by the nazis and sacrificed our empire to protect the world from the nazis. But now, so they tell me, the US won cause you were awesome.

I really shouldn't have dropped to your level, but ignorance and mindless stereotyping should be combatted wherever they are found.

What about all the military and food supplies that the US was sending before they got into the war? I am pretty sure that counts for something. I don't agree with the US won because our army was awesome.

WWII was ended because the Allies worked together towards a common goal.

I agree 100% that broad generalizations need to be stopped.

Firstly, this is a retarded thread. NO nation is 'better' than another, 'better' implies a list of subjective factors, so this is all utterly pointless.

It does seem however, that much of the USA's population have their heads stuck far up their own arses. Watch out for China you suckers, you'll be struggling to learn Mandarin in 150 years, and kicking yourselves for being so f-ing cocky about your capacities and superiority all the time.
you might have an interesting point, put you sure should watch your language...

I agree, but it was more of a point against their elitist condemnation of my country. Chinese wil become at least #3 in importance, if not #2 in the near future.

It's my country for the time being as well my fellow American. I'm north of you in the Great Lakes State. GO BLUE ^_^

Firstly, this is a retarded thread. NO nation is 'better' than another, 'better' implies a list of subjective factors, so this is all utterly pointless.

It does seem however, that much of the USA's population have their heads stuck far up their own arses. Watch out for China you suckers, you'll be struggling to learn Mandarin in 150 years, and kicking yourselves for being so f-ing cocky about your capacities and superiority all the time.

If it is so pointless why do you waste time with a response?

1. I have learned at highschool that the best economic position is near water (sea, Ocean)
2. it is just a lie that America (The USA) consists of Cowboys, I know.
3. If you lost your Job, wouldn't it be great to get some money so you can pay your bills in the time you're looking for a new Job?
4. OUR? It's just as good the language of Canada, Great Britain and Ireland, it makes no sense that it's important, I meant that there is no language called american, it's just English.

1. Usually, unless you can control the land trade routes like the Saracens or Turks did during the middle ages.
2. Well, now that that's cleared up, no problem.
3. Yes, but not too much, especially when people with jobs have to pay for it.
4. Only stupid people call our language American, and they usually cal Mexico's language Mexican.

I think I'm going to post every now and again and say what idiots you all are for using this as an excuse to show the fact that most of you seem to be ethnocentric morons.

YOU GUYS SUCK!!! But I don't hate anybody.

Give it a rest.

1. Usually, unless you can control the land trade routes like the Saracens or Turks did during the middle ages.
2. Well, now that that's cleared up, no problem.
3. Yes, but not too much, especially when people with jobs have to pay for it.
4. Only stupid people call our language American, and they usually cal Mexico's language Mexican.

so this means we're on one line, isn't it?

(snip)
3. If you lost your Job, wouldn't it be great to get some money so you can pay your bills in the time you're looking for a new Job?


The US does have social programs in every state to do just that. It's called unemployment. How long you receive it varies from state to state just as the amount received does.

edited because I forgot the ole I before E except after C rules lol. :D

so this means we're on one line, isn't it?

I suppose. :)

OK, well that's cleared up, The other part of the Thread was about the British, isn't it? :D

OK, well that's cleared up, The other part of the Thread was about the British, isn't it? :D

Originally, but these threads very rarely stay on topic for long.

OK, well that's cleared up, The other part of the Thread was about the British, isn't it? :D


True but I don't really see anything wrong with the British. My friend in Woking is editing my book for me right now so I really have to behave. ;)

I think I'm going to post every now and again and say what idiots you all are for using this as an excuse to show the fact that most of you seem to be ethnocentric morons.

YOU GUYS SUCK!!! But I don't hate anybody.

Give it a rest.

There are only a few posts in this thread that are pathetically ethnocentric, so I am officially dragging you off your high-horse on the grounds of generalising a group of COMPLETELY different people with COMPLETELY different political views - this is what NationStates is all about

I was busy offtopic as I haven't said which was better off.
but what I meant with "the other part of the thread was about the British"
is that I can insult anyone if I want to. I'm also insulting The Netherlands very frequently the same as I just did with the USA.

I was busy offtopic as I haven't said which was better off.


I don't see how a person could say one way or another without living in both countries. I mean you can throw up examples of this and that until you are blue in the face but until a person experiences both countries it is all nothing more than a war of words.

I just know that my favorite foods are way cheaper in the USA :D but the UK has universal healthcare which would save me a ton on diabetic testing supplies and insulin.. hmmm I'd say it's a toss up for me. I'll have an opinion 100% after I live in the UK for a few years.

The countries are suprisingly similar, the standards of living are nearly identical, and we enjoy basically the same levels of freedom. The only problem I have with England is that it rains too much.

^^^ Only accurate thing I've read so far.



Plus, I don't think this thread was started off as a 'Who's Country is Best?' penis-slapping contest. It seems more like a question of which country has the shittiest leadership at the moment.

I cannot say which was/is better off, as I haven't been to either countries, I stay in Europe on my holidays, nicely on a holiday with a Caravan :D .
but it's hard to say in which country you want to live. every country has it's ups and downs.

I found an interesting fact that the USA spends more on healthcare than the rest of the world, but healthcare is actually better in other countries who spend much much less.



Oh, and quit making these threads.
It's BETTER in the UK because ours is FREE, and yours is not. There is also more spent on healthcare in proportion to the size of the country in the
UK.

As someone who has lived in both countries I can say the UK is better. People tend to be better informed, free healthcare and there is a hell of a lot less gun crime. At least in Britain you don't need millions or be the son of a former idiot.. sorry head of goverement to become PM.

I cannot say which was/is better off, as I haven't been to either countries, I stay in Europe on my holidays, nicely on a holiday with a Caravan :D .
but it's hard to say in which country you want to live. every country has it's ups and downs.


Bingo. It is like that in America when it comes to the 50 states. Gee do I want to live in earthquake prone California and so on.

As someone who has lived in both countries I can say the UK is better. People tend to be better informed, free healthcare and there is a hell of a lot less gun crime. At least in Britain you don't need millions or be the son of a former idiot.. sorry head of goverement to become PM.


True there is less gun crime the UK but don't you have more stabbings in proportion?

Australia is better than both of them as is Canada. ;)

Everything cleared up here? Yes? OK I'm outta here! :D

Everything cleared up here? Yes? OK I'm outta here! :D


Hey take care and thanks for being civil :)

why not stop arguing and form an empire. i mean really....we could call it the United Kingdom States Empire and conquer the world.

but seriously...does it really matter which government has screwed up their country the most?

OK, I'll be monitoring this, are we Conquering the World? Bush has the Ideas for it, be sure to check him out! ( :D )

why not stop arguing and form an empire. i mean really....we could call it the United Kingdom States Empire and conquer the world.

but seriously...does it really matter which government has screwed up their country the most?


In the long run it does not.

OK, I'll be monitoring this, are we Conquering the World? Bush has the Ideas for it, be sure to check him out! ( :D )


:D Just as long as we don't attack the countries I like. :D

polititians would be so much better off if everything weren't so political...

I know, but there are times when you get tired of hearing baseless America bashing without any support.

amen. it happens a lot in here.

What Countries do you mean? I hope The European Union will team up with the UK and USA!

amen. it happens a lot in here.


Yes it does but then again there are also alot of anti France threads that pop up.

I agree with anyone saying this thread is pointless, it always makes people come out of the woodwork to state some ridiculous comments eithr pro or anti American.

The fact that Britain has a twist of socialism is a good thing, a healthcare for all is very important.
Having a large amount of nuclear arsenal does not make you al powerful, having just a handful would do the job.
Stating the Americans are up themselves is so short cited, just if there are a few idiots that say things.
If I had to choose which country to live in, I would go for the UK, obviously because I live there :p

Don't get me wrong, Europe needs to change also, with China growing at an astonishing rate with very little social investement, low taxes and huge resources, you end up with Europe pushing for higher taxes (bad for investement) recruiting poorer countries to give aid too.

The people that would suffer first would be Europe out of the China, USA and Europe power struggle.

HM

i agree, removed is a relative term. as to the health system its a shambles the uk has some of the dirtest hospitals in the world! with long waiting lists and a lack of localy avalible specialist. in the uk you have no choice to accept this. in the usa you can chose your own health insurance. howerver it does have the best trained docters just a lack of funding
I know that was said a while ago, but i just want to make something clear.
Private medical insurance is available in the UK, its just that those who cant afford it aren't left to die, unlike in another certain country.

I know that was said a while ago, but i just want to make something clear.
Private medical insurance is available in the UK, its just that those who cant afford it aren't left to die, unlike in another certain country.


FALSE. In the US if you don't have health insurance and you are injured by law they have to treat you even if you cannot afford to pay. There are also clinics that charge very little to see you.

Please get your facts straight before you make accusations.

UK. It's closer to Holland

One is lead by a warmongering bible basher the other has a two faced liar with his tounge up the others arse!

what's wronge with a warmonger bible basher? the u.k's leadership certianly isn't a very large problem. i think that their affiliation with the e.u. is probably one of the worst ones they have...

UK. It's closer to Holland


Hmm Holland.. what is Holland like? I only remember a little bit of what Camilla our exchange student said many years ago.

Hmm Holland.. what is Holland like? I only remember a little bit of what Camilla our exchange student said many years ago.
Flat and rainy at the moment. I like the laid-backness of the people

I found an interesting fact that the USA spends more on healthcare than the rest of the world, but healthcare is actually better in other countries who spend much much less.



Oh, and quit making these threads.

I was involved in a comparative study of the United Kingdom's and United States health care systems back in 2001. Actually visiting both countries and experiencing the type of health care given. The UK health care system was strong in regards to daily health care needs, preventative medicine, and the dissemination of health care education. The United States was stronger in regards to speed of care given (when access to was not considered) dental surgeries, and the use cutting edge technologies in fighting chronic and or lethal conditions.

General weaknesses were the UK's waiting list and US access to care. In a strange way they are both access to care issues with just different causes.

This by no means was a comprehensive study nor is this a comprehensive list. It was meant to be a simple comparative study. So who has the better system. Neither I would have my every day care in the UK and my dental and emergency care in the US. :)

Flat and rainy at the moment. I like the laid-backness of the people


That sounds like a nice place to live.

That sounds like a nice place to live.
it is :)

it is :)


I'll have to make sure I visit Holland then. :p

Yes you do get care for an injury, as you do in the UK, but what happens if you're ill?

Yes you do get care for an injury, as you do in the UK, but what happens if you're ill?

Like as in just sick as in like a bad cold or sinus infection or the like? Either pay the doctor out of pocket or just suck it up and deal...


(at least the new insurance kicks in on Friday so I can finally see the doctor about this stupid sinus infection that won't go away...)

I prefer the USA. For several reasons;

Better healthcare (Doctors are there to treat, it seems, not to hold hands.)
Cheaper to live there.
Better roads (Completely undebateable. Britain has the among the, if not the worst roads in the developed world.)
Better school system (They seem about the same in end results, but the US is much more malleable and gives far more choice. Also, after-school activities are far more widespread and better funded, from what I have seen.) Mind you, BOTH systems have far too much emphasis on grades, exams, and homework, and not nearly enough on actually educating people about life.
More polite people (Again, no debate. The only time strangers in the US have ever spoken to me is to say something complimentary.) (Also, American prejudice oddly seems to actually be based on principles, values, and beliefs, no matter how stupid those are, at least I can respect the people who hold the views. Over here all there is is complaints about 'fookin' pakis' taking our houses and jobs.)
More choice of goods.
Less government involvement in personal freedoms. (No nanny state sentiments)
Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Legal gun ownership.
UK has done sweet FA in any field outside entertainment for about 60 years.
Really great cities. We get Manchester, London, and Brum. They get New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
Far, far larger houses and stores and the like. Far larger in general in fact. Helps with the old claustrophobia.
Sports. The UK has produced some of the worst sports on the planet. Cricket? Rugby? Soccer? Yeah, I'll take Football, Ice Hockey, or Basketball any day.

Thing is, the UK isn't actually bad in most of those aspects, it's still a damn fine place to live and I don't begrudge being here for one second, seeing as the only places I'd rather be are Canada, the US, or Australia - and there are about 250 countries I'd much less prefer to be in, but I'll take the USA any day of the week. The UK people are more likely to be sceptical and untrusting of authority, and at least certain groups seem less quick to judge others.

I prefer the USA. For several reasons;

Better healthcare (Doctors are there to treat, it seems, not to hold hands.)
Cheaper to live there.
Better roads (Completely undebateable. Britain has the among the, if not the worst roads in the developed world.)
Better school system (They seem about the same in end results, but the US is much more malleable and gives far more choice. Also, after-school activities are far more widespread and better funded, from what I have seen.) Mind you, BOTH systems have far too much emphasis on grades, exams, and homework, and not nearly enough on actually educating people about life.
More polite people (Again, no debate. The only time strangers in the US have ever spoken to me is to say something complimentary.) (Also, American prejudice oddly seems to actually be based on principles, values, and beliefs, no matter how stupid those are, at least I can respect the people who hold the views. Over here all there is is complaints about 'fookin' pakis' taking our houses and jobs.)
More choice of goods.
Less government involvement in personal freedoms. (No nanny state sentiments)
Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Legal gun ownership.
UK has done sweet FA in any field outside entertainment for about 60 years.
Really great cities. We get Manchester, London, and Brum. They get New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
Far, far larger houses and stores and the like. Far larger in general in fact. Helps with the old claustrophobia.
Sports. The UK has produced some of the worst sports on the planet. Cricket? Rugby? Soccer? Yeah, I'll take Football, Ice Hockey, or Basketball any day.

Thing is, the UK isn't actually bad in most of those aspects, it's still a damn fine place to live and I don't begrudge being here for one second, seeing as the only places I'd rather be are Canada, the US, or Australia - and there are about 250 countries I'd much less prefer to be in, but I'll take the USA any day of the week. The UK people are more likely to be sceptical and untrusting of authority, and at least certain groups seem less quick to judge others.


Hang on, a few slight points need to be challenged there,
You can own a gun in the UK legally- fact.
Sports are sports, I happen to enjoy Cricket and basketball, you can view both on cable or satelite in the UK.
Nothing in outside Entertainment? You mean winning things or hosting events?What?

The worst roads? No, we have the least accidents on our roads compared to Europe. (and when you consider the size and population that's excellent!)
Hospitals are free and treat everyone, whether that be stupid, it is something to be proud of, and Doctors don't hold your hands particularly, what evidence is there of this? They offer support, but all Doctors should if it's making you unwell.

A written constitution, we laugh at that on two reasons. The last real threat we had was with Charles I in the 17th century (in the English Civil war) when a written document was thought about. Unless you count the Magna Carta written in 1215! history mate and something we have learnt from and what we have more of than the USA.

Polite people- you have to be serious in making rash claims. Some British people aren't very friendly but that's the same in the USA- not everybody is nice. When I see people visiting on their holidays I often try to help them and talk with them, but that's the pride I have for the UK.

I should hope that anybody born in either the USA or UK should have a bias towards their country, but also an open mind.

I disagree with the "fookin' Pakis, taking our jobs and houses" statement. That is all down to who you talk to. We have our share racist tits, but then other countries do as well.

The UK is a free country. You can do what you like as long as you obtain, at a cost, a licence!
Is this the same in the usa?

I think due to the inability of the american people to elect a proper president and of the britsh people to elect a decent prime minister, america's indipendace should be revoked and the british parliment dissolved. we should then return to a constitutional monarchy! lets face it, with modern politics we dont get a choice who wins anyway and we still get taxed to the max!!

I think we're better off in the UK. At least our leader actually won his first election...

You mean Bush won his second election :eek:

Well, I think having lived in both nations, I'd say the UK because guns are not legal and people are much more free (freedom is an apparence in the USA).
Furthermore, some people have the guts to resign when their PM takes the wrong decision (ie Clare Short or Robin Cook), whereas in the USA, the President supported an illegal war, lied to the public, and nobody has resigned over the prisoner abuse thing: it is a disgrace.

guess this thread just goes to show, there's a bunch of envious bitter people in the UK :( and alot of them hang out here...

guess this thread just goes to show, there's a bunch of envious bitter people in the UK :( and alot of them hang out here...

Bitter and envious of what, exactly?

That's quite offensive Twatwaffle. I'd suggest you think before putting finger to the keyboard. Your comment there is doing nothing to repair or garner the next generation of UK / US relations.

Also, with comments like that - is it any wonder?

wow you whine alot too lol, got an idea, don't take everything like an act of war, take both countries for what's best about them, and be glad you're not living in a mud hut in a 3rd world country fighting with your kids over someone elses trash.

wow you whine alot too lol, got an idea, don't take everything like an act of war, take both countries for what's best about them, and be glad you're not living in a mud hut in a 3rd world country fighting with your kids over someone elses trash.

Fair comment!

There are good and bad things about both countries.

Pros-

USA-
1. Lots of room over here. Things aren't very crowded outside of the major cities.
2. Nice people. Normally, you can expect to at least be treated with respect.

UK-
1. Island. Sorry, but Island nations are just too cool. It's like you've got your own tree fort or something.
2. Nice people. Generally approachable, not rabid, and usually sane. My kind of people.

Cons-

USA-
1. Government. Bush. Out. Now. Joke of the world. Not cool.
2. Crappy people. Sometimes the most blazing asses imagineable are American. Why is it that they travel to other countries the most?
3. DMV. Must... be... destroyed.
4. Short attention span. While most people have... huh? what was eye typeming? oh well. :p

UK-
1. Crappy people. Some of the most paranoid, delusional, raving phycotics I've ever met on the net were from the UK.
2. Historical obsession. I know that you guys have a long history. I know that you're proud of it. We know that we don't know most of it. Please quit reminding us. We know. ;)

You can own a gun in the UK legally- fact.

Yes, but it's not easy, the kinds of guns you can own are very limited, and the idea of concealed carrying is so far from people's minds that suggesting it will have people assume you're either joking or mental.

Sports are sports, I happen to enjoy Cricket and basketball, you can view both on cable or satelite in the UK.

Yes, fair point. It's not my intent to condemn Britain for this, it's simply that my personal preference is towards American sports, ergo I lean towards the US on that issue.

Nothing in outside Entertainment? You mean winning things or hosting events?What?

Pretty much. Mainly all I see us doing really well anymore is TV and movies, and not many of them either. To be fair, we've done things on the world stage as well, and our armed forces are still in pretty good shape. However, our science is an absolute laughing stock - we spend the lowest GDP of the developed world on scientific research, and our culture has largely declined into yobbery and following sports, whilst the alternative segments (IE goths, skaters, and so on) of our youth are largely Americanized. No bad thing in my eyes, but hardly brilliant from the perspective of Britain.

The worst roads? No, we have the least accidents on our roads compared to Europe. (and when you consider the size and population that's excellent!)

Really? Fair enough, I'd never heard that. In that case it's not so bad, but nonetheless we have some of the most congested roads in the world. Now, obviously European cities were not build for cars, and certainly not in the numbers there are nowadays, but it looks like instead of tackling the problems the government is happy to - that's right - put more taxes on it. We already have some of the highest taxes in Europe for driving, and it's not giving us very much. Although safety is, of course, a very major issue.

Hospitals are free and treat everyone, whether that be stupid, it is something to be proud of, and Doctors don't hold your hands particularly, what evidence is there of this? They offer support, but all Doctors should if it's making you unwell.

I hardly consider it indicative of good healthcare when getting three stitches for a clean cut takes four hours. Free, yes, but that's not a lot of good when 80 year old cripples are left on hospital gurneys for 16 hours and then die. Ok, incidents of that seem to have fallen in the last couple of years, but I'm far from certain we've got it sorted.

A written constitution, we laugh at that on two reasons. The last real threat we had was with Charles I in the 17th century (in the English Civil war) when a written document was thought about. Unless you count the Magna Carta written in 1215! history mate and something we have learnt from and what we have more of than the USA.

I can understand why Britain doesn't have one, but it makes me very uncomfortable to only have common law. There's no document one can point to and say 'This is an inaliable right', and the government would have no trouble overcoming common law in the face of a threat, real or imagined.

Polite people- you have to be serious in making rash claims. Some British people aren't very friendly but that's the same in the USA- not everybody is nice. When I see people visiting on their holidays I often try to help them and talk with them, but that's the pride I have for the UK.

Fair enough. When people in the USA regularly mouth off at me and anyone else different from across the street/mall, and when they do such clever things as clapping their hands in front of my face to make me blink, maybe I'll consider the US to be as impolite as the UK. Yes, some British people - probably most - are perfectly decent. But not close to all, whilst in the US no matter how much of an asshole someone is, the worst a stranger ever seems to do is plain ignore you.

I should hope that anybody born in either the USA or UK should have a bias towards their country, but also an open mind.

Which is why, despite being raised in Britain, I prefer the US. It's not perfect at all, but I like it and what it stands for more than the UK.

I disagree with the "fookin' Pakis, taking our jobs and houses" statement. That is all down to who you talk to. We have our share racist tits, but then other countries do as well.

Aye, s'fair enough, I'm not so foolish as to claim the US doesn't have it's share of racists. Just seems to be more... endemic in the UK.

2. Historical obsession. I know that you guys have a long history. I know that you're proud of it. We know that we don't know most of it. Please quit reminding us. We know.

I think this might be because, unlike the US, we're taught sweet damn all of our history in our schools. We get some Tudors and Stuarts, we get some WW2 and that was about it. The thing about that is, without learning where we are and how we got there, I believe a lot of people have a flawed or entirely lacking sense of national identity. This makes those of us that do go out of our way to learn the whole thing much more ready to broadcast it to everyone else, because they want (I presume) to teach other people what they've found out.

But I think Trans-Caspia makes a good point overall. Both nations have their ups and downs, but both nations are, in the end, pretty damn great. It's simply for me that, based on who I am and what I believe, the USA is a preferable option.