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I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic. I have searched fruitlessly and all biographical sources give his full name only as 'Adolf Hitler'. Did Hitler actually have a middle name? Were middle names not common amongst Austrians at the time?

I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic. I have searched fruitlessly and all biographical sources give his full name only as 'Adolf Hitler'. Did Hitler actually have a middle name? Were middle names not common amongst Austrians at the time?
If you've searched fruitlessly amongst biographical sources, then he probably didn't have one. I know plenty Germans that don't have a middle name. It's uncommon but not unheard of.

Right. Then I guess the thread ends here. LOL!

As far as i know he didn't have one... does he need one? :confused:

Middle names aren't common, period. I should know, they'd be on CADLs and I see enough of those.

I have a middle name, as does every member of my family the generation older than me, but my family was imported about a hundred and twenty years ago, and has kept many traditions from back then alive (Jewish families tend to do that.)

But if I recall, only two of my four cousins have 'em, and I'm not certain if I'd give my kid a middle name.

Besides, I just can't see Hitler as having a middle name.

Adolf William Hitler just sounds more like a comedy act and not a deranged facist dictator.

I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic. I have searched fruitlessly and all biographical sources give his full name only as 'Adolf Hitler'. Did Hitler actually have a middle name? Were middle names not common amongst Austrians at the time?

I don't think he had one. Middle names (sometimes three names or more) are still very fashionable in Austria, albeit in the middle and upper classes. Hitler was born in a small Austrian border town into a not very well-off family. I think if he had a middle name, it would be more widely known.
At least my grandmother would know about it... when she was 6 years old, her school teacher made her write Hitler's name and birthsday 100 x on the blackboard, as she had cnfused the dates in class...

does he need one? :confused:

Wouldn't that have a been a question for his parents?

At least my grandmother would know about it... when she was 6 years old, her school teacher made her write Hitler's name and birthsday 100 x on the blackboard, as she had cnfused the dates in class...

Wow...

Wouldn't that have a been a question for his parents?

the way you asked it just sounded like he's less of a man if he doesn't :p

Adolf William Hitler just sounds more like a comedy act and not a deranged facist dictator.

Now shouldn't that be Adolf Wilhelm Hitler in his language? LOL!

At least my grandmother would know about it... when she was 6 years old, her school teacher made her write Hitler's name and birthsday 100 x on the blackboard, as she had cnfused the dates in class...
Where did she live at the time?

It's funny how I'm reading a book about Hitler's sex life titled Hitler and Geli by Ronald Hayman. He's certainly a very odd during his teens. I think Hitler was either asexual or impotent after numerous fears. LOL!

Now shouldn't that be Adolf Wilhelm Hitler in his language? LOL!

I stand corrected.

someone wrote a book about Hitler's sex life?? I find that quite disturbing. :eek:

Where did she live at the time?

Tiny little village in Germany. That happened in 1935

It's funny how I'm reading a book about Hitler's sex life titled Hitler and Geli by Ronald Hayman. He's certainly a very odd during his teens. I think Hitler was either asexual or impotent after numerous fears. LOL!

The only relationship I know of was his affair with Eva Braun. And that was strange to say the least. I think he was definitely seriously disturbed regarding sexuality, although I couldn't say exactly...

Middle names are mostly found in Anglo-Saxon societies. They're not used in most parts of the world. I, for example, don't have any middle name. Same thing for all my friends and relatives.

The only relationship I know of was his affair with Eva Braun. And that was strange to say the least. I think he was definitely seriously disturbed regarding sexuality, although I couldn't say exactly...
I think he might have been seriously disturbed regarding some other things, too.

someone wrote a book about Hitler's sex life?? I find that quite disturbing. :eek:

Well, it's that one or a more recent one written by some homosexual historian wannabe who quotes out off context and tries to portray Hitler as a raving poofter. His arguments have been repeatedly rebuked by other sources.

What I believe is that Hitler was either asexual, impotent or that he wanted to hide his heterosexualism to present a 'moralistic' image. Some claim that his oratory was orgasmic (which I find absurd and unconvinced) and that rallies and public speaking (especially by shouting) as means of both sexual release and attracting women (by the parades of stormtroopers and the brooding atmosphere of power).

I think he might have been seriously disturbed regarding some other things, too.

There have been psychologists who suggested that there may be a relation between sexual frustration and megalomanism.
I can't think of any oppressive tyrant right now who had a fulfilling sexual and emotional life...

Well, it's that one or a more recent one written by some homosexual historian wannabe who quotes out off context and tries to portray Hitler as a raving poofter. His arguments have been repeatedly rebuked by other sources.

What I believe is that Hitler was either asexual, impotent or that he wanted to hide his heterosexualism to present a 'moralistic' image. Some claim that his oratory was orgasmic (which I find absurd and unconvinced) and that rallies and public speaking (especially by shouting) as means of both sexual release and attracting women (by the parades of stormtroopers and the brooding atmosphere of power).
Wow. It seems like quite a few people put serious thought into this. To be honest, I haven't even read a real biography of Hitler, so I know close to nothing about personal, not to mention sexual aspects of his life.
But the 'orgasmic oratory' does seem a little far-fetched. ... to me .. but maybe I'm just weird :)

The only relationship I know of was his affair with Eva Braun. And that was strange to say the least. I think he was definitely seriously disturbed regarding sexuality, although I couldn't say exactly...

Well, historians aren't exactly sure of his relations with his niece, Geli Raubal (the daughter of his half sister who lived with him prior to his rise to power). Incest or not, it was certainly much closer than what society's value government between an uncle and his niece. There's claims that he had casual sexual relationships with other women but that cannot be backed up with sufficient evidence. Prior to his ascension as dictator, Hitler did attract the attention of women. He also exploited being single to that advantage.

Middle names are mostly found in Anglo-Saxon societies. They're not used in most parts of the world. I, for example, don't have any middle name. Same thing for all my friends and relatives.

Not necessarily. There's a catholic tradition to give the child the godmother's/godfather's name as middle name.
And you will find middle names in upper classes in most western societies. I know Germany allows a maximum of 4, my father has 3, my mother 2. But they gave us only one name each, as they thought the tradition to be too elite.

someone wrote a book about Hitler's sex life?? I find that quite disturbing. :eek:

:eek: I quite agree *shudders*





hitler-----> :fluffle: <-----geli

Well, historians aren't exactly sure of his relations with his niece, Geli Raubal (the daughter of his half sister who lived with him prior to his rise to power). Incest or not, it was certainly much closer than what society's value government between an uncle and his niece. There's claims that he had casual sexual relationships with other women but that cannot be backed up with sufficient evidence. Prior to his ascension as dictator, Hitler did attract the attention of women. He also exploited being single to that advantage.

Geli Raubal... that name rings a bell. Didn't she eventually kill herself? Shot herself? Or am I confusing things here?

There have been psychologists who suggested that there may be a relation between sexual frustration and megalomanism.
I can't think of any oppressive tyrant right now who had a fulfilling sexual and emotional life...
...what's megalomanism?
Hey, this would be worth some serious research, you could get famous for that thesis! (oor... I could just steal your idea, write a book on that and in my preface acknowledge the 'enourmous help of the nationstates community' ;))

There have been psychologists who suggested that there may be a relation between sexual frustration and megalomanism.
I can't think of any oppressive tyrant right now who had a fulfilling sexual and emotional life...

Hitler feared sex because of two concerns:

1. He had a birth defect of having only one testicle. Men with similar conditions fear being ridiculed by their partners.

2. He feared that he carried Jewish blood. Unknown to him at the time that this was proven to be untrue after subsequent research into his family history.

"I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic."

Bro, we all started like that ;). Ah. Five months ago.. Boy, Five months ago ruled speaking of that.

Geli Raubal... that name rings a bell. Didn't she eventually kill herself? Shot herself? Or am I confusing things here?

Records claim suicide, but the background to that seems murky as the weapon was Hitler's own gun. It was also claim that Hitler's vegetarianism started after the incident as meat reminded him of her corpse.

For the rest of his life, he could not speak of her without having tears in his eyes. There was an unwritten code amongst those who worked for him to never mention her. At the annual anniversary of her death, Hitler would put fresh flowers beneath her portrait. Even during the war.

"I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic."

Bro, we all started like that ;). Ah. Five months ago.. Boy, Five months ago ruled speaking of that.
what?

"I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic."

Bro, we all started like that ;). Ah. Five months ago.. Boy, Five months ago ruled speaking of that.

What the hell are you on about? I've been interested in WWII and the Nazis since two years ago, enhanced by playing MOHAA, WWII documentaries on TV and my long time interest in weapons and the military.

what?

It started with the SS uniforms, then Hitler himself, then.. Well just look at my nation.

Also, I thought Hitler's one testicle, (which I thought wasnt proven, or disproven by the way) was caused by WWI?

What the hell are you on about? I've been interested in WWII and the Nazis since two years ago, enhanced by playing MOHAA, WWII documentaries on TV and my long time interest in weapons and the military.

Actually in depth yes, MOHAA, documentries and my love of history and military had alot of factors!

Having one testicle missing could affect hormonal balance in a man. It was common amongst the eunuchs of China to be shrewd and deceitful, as well as sadistic, compared with normal men.

It was also probably because of this condition that Hitler took less interest in sex and more lust in power and violence.

I'm very intrigued by Adolf Hitler, not that I'm a neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic. I have searched fruitlessly and all biographical sources give his full name only as 'Adolf Hitler'. Did Hitler actually have a middle name? Were middle names not common amongst Austrians at the time?

Did Adolf Hitler have a middle name?

No. He was listed in the baptismal registry simply as Adolfus Hitler.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:K1y_IN1kexcJ:www.historyplace.com/specials/faq/+adolf+hitler+%22middle+name%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Also, I thought Hitler's one testicle, (which I thought wasnt proven, or disproven by the way) was caused by WWI?
sooo.... you're saying someone came sneaking up behind him and cut off one one his testicles?

It started with the SS uniforms, then Hitler himself, then.. Well just look at my nation.

Also, I thought Hitler's one testicle, (which I thought wasnt proven, or disproven by the way) was caused by WWI?

It couldn't have been an injury, from what other medical examiners or the Soviet surgeons who performed his autopsy had told.

sooo.... you're saying someone came sneaking up behind him and cut off one one his testicles?

No, I meant perhaps he had been shot in one of them, but that dosent make sense I suppose.

sooo.... you're saying someone came sneaking up behind him and cut off one one his testicles?

Records show that he was treated for an injury in the upper thigh.

Did Adolf Hitler have a middle name?

No. He was listed in the baptismal registry simply as Adolfus Hitler.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:K1y_IN1kexcJ:www.historyplace.com/specials/faq/+adolf+hitler+%22middle+name%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Adolfus?! Wow!

Actually in depth yes, MOHAA, documentries and my love of history and military had alot of factors!

Are you mocking me? I also admire Nazi image, but rest assured, I like the uniforms, although I loathe the ideology.

Not necessarily. There's a catholic tradition to give the child the godmother's/godfather's name as middle name.
And you will find middle names in upper classes in most western societies.
Not in Quebec. And not in France. Not in most French-speaking countries, as well as all Latin American countries I've visited.

Some people here have composite names, but that's absolutely not a middle name. A composite name has a dash between the words.
"Marc-André"
"Marie-Élaine"
"Jean-Paul"

When asking a "Jean-Paul Smith" for his initials, he'll either give "J.P.S." or "J.S.", but the "P" is by no means a middle name.

I think composite names are rare, and don't work the same way, in English.

Yes, as a Catholic I have 4 "registered" names, but I only use one, and I won't ever use the other 3. Same thing for people around me. It's quite useless here.

Records show that he was treated for an injury in the upper thigh.
that would be close enough I guess...
but ... except for his middle name...is there nothing you don't know about him? where did you get all this from?
...sigh...just when I thought that maybe there were a few things i kind of knew something about you make me realize that really... I don't have a clue :(
oh well... I can live with that ;)

Some of those Hitler rumours were certainly outrageous as one Belgian bastard claimed that Hitler was his real father. He was tested in 1979 and the results came back negative. It would be very out off character for Hitler to be the father as his comrade seldom spoke about French girls.

Are you mocking me? I also admire Nazi image, but rest assured, I like the uniforms, although I loathe the ideology.

No, I am not. Sorry if it seemed that way.

that would be close enough I guess...
but ... except for his middle name...is there nothing you don't know about him? where did you get all this from?
...sigh...just when I thought that maybe there were a few things i kind of knew something about you make me realize that really... I don't have a clue :(
oh well... I can live with that ;)

There would be a marked difference in the record if he was injured in the groin as that can be very serious for a man. He was afraid of being nude even in his boyhood.

No, I am not. Sorry if it seemed that way.

That's O.K., it's just that those dreaded liberals on some other thread criticized and slandered me viciously when I spoke about how WWII German uniforms were stylish.

No, I am not. Sorry if it seemed that way.

When it comes to Nazism, you can't be too careful.

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DAMNIT I CAN'T HELP IT!

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For those who are interested, Eric Emmanuel Schmitt has written an interesting novel about Hitler. The title is "The alternate hypothesis".
It's a fascinating book. Every odd chapter tells a little bit of Hitler's biography, with great details. Every even chapter tells his biography in an alternative universe... where he succeeded in becoming a painter.
A great book, very unsettling.

There would be a marked difference in the record if he was injured in the groin as that can be very serious for a man. He was afraid of being nude even in his boyhood.
...I'm pretty sure that back then people were a lot more uncomfortable being naked around other people to begin with. I'm sure he must have had quite a few psychological problems he had to deal with. It would be very hard to understand how someone could turn out to be this manipulative otherwise.

I'd be very interested to read that. I'm also waiting to read Robert Harris' Fatherland.

When it comes to Nazism, you can't be too careful.

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DAMNIT I CAN'T HELP IT!

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Who or what is Godwin?

Don't worry, I'm careful enough. I also admire Jewish nationalism. Keep the bulldozers rolling! Ya see, I admire Hitler's nationalism, not racism. Even if the Nazis weren't anti-Semitic, they would still achieve power as the loss of the war injected nationalism into Germany's veins. Dried kindling only needs a spark.

There have been psychologists who suggested that there may be a relation between sexual frustration and megalomanism.
I can't think of any oppressive tyrant right now who had a fulfilling sexual and emotional life...

Mao? ;)

I just found out today that SA originally stood for Sport Abteilung (yes, SPORT), it was soon changed to Sturm Abteilung after their beerhall brawling reputations. LOL!

I just found out today that SA originally stood for Sport Abteilung (yes, SPORT), it was soon changed to Sturm Abteilung after their beerhall brawling reputations. LOL!
that ... is hard to believe.

Mao? ;)

I don't exactly know about Mao, but he's one lucky bastard when it came to sex!

Recent revelations confirm that his ousted successor Hua Guofeng, was in fact his bastard son begot during his youth. The senile Hua already bears an uncanny resemblance to his famous father. It was a fact that Hua was almost a political nobody until Mao's twilight years!

I always thought "SA" was from German words to "Section d'Assaut". Sorry I have only the word in French, not in German.

that ... is hard to believe.

That was taken from old party records. They originally recruited fit and strong individuals for this social program but they proved useful as thugs and fighters.

Mao? ;)

What about Paraguy's Stroessner? He purchased thousands of virgins to deflower after having reduced much of the population into poverty.

That was taken from old party records. They originally recruited fit and strong individuals for this social program but they proved useful as thugs and fighters.
even so, sportabteilung just sounds way too... something. not serious enough, that is. to me it suggests a general 'ooh, let's all go to the sportabteilung and have some fun' - attitude.

I can't think of any oppressive tyrant right now who had a fulfilling sexual and emotional life...

You may be on to something there Cabra. There are many examples to support that throughout history. Ivan the Terrible was tolerable until his first wife died. Napoleon’s wife was quite the adulteress, which caused him tremendous grief. Stalin may be an exception. Though, I don’t think he ever found a stable loving relationship. I may be wrong. Soviet history isn't my strong suit.

even so, sportabteilung just sounds way too... something. not serious enough, that is. to me it suggests a general 'ooh, let's all go to the sportabteilung and have some fun' - attitude.

When they weren't brawling or escorting their leaders, they were a weekend shooting club. It wasn't meant to be serious, it was just out off security and manipulation that atheletic muscle became used as fighting muscle.

Look Godwin up on Wikipedia. Specificially, Godwin's law.

Stalin may be an exception. Though, I don’t think he ever found a stable loving relationship. I may be wrong. Soviet history isn't my strong suit.

Let's see, he beat his first wife and had a very poor relationship with that son. He was speculated to be cruel to his second wife and her suicide was also suspected to be a murder committed by Stalin. Funny how his first son was a POW during the war and the Nazis shot him in an escape attempt. Pity.

When they weren't brawling or escorting their leaders, they were a weekend shooting club. It wasn't meant to be serious, it was just out off security and manipulation that atheletic muscle became used as fighting muscle.
that's it. you just know too much.
...now i have to read a hitler biography.
are you happy now? :p

Middle names are mostly found in Anglo-Saxon societies. They're not used in most parts of the world. I, for example, don't have any middle name. Same thing for all my friends and relatives.

It's pretty common in Germany too. I bear the names of my grandfathers in addition to my own name (makes quite a impressive signature ;) ). My brother and my two sisters also bear names of other relatives (like the grandmothers, aunts or uncles).

Though it is a tradition which is dying a slow death.

A thing totally unknow in Germany is adding numbers to one's name (like Charles Ratchford III.), or that "junior"/ "senior" thingy.

I just found out today that SA originally stood for Sport Abteilung (yes, SPORT), it was soon changed to Sturm Abteilung after their beerhall brawling reputations. LOL!
That is so not true!

Look Godwin up on Wikipedia. Specificially, Godwin's law.

Roger.

That is so not true!

I couldn't believe it myself. I think one book referenced that to Fest's biography about Hitler and some other book cited by Hoffmann (the party's photographer).

If you've searched fruitlessly amongst biographical sources, then he probably didn't have one. I know plenty Germans that don't have a middle name. It's uncommon but not unheard of.

It was Logan.

It was Logan.
and for a tiny little second I thought you were serious there. :p
edit: i really need to get me some coffee.

Yeah. Ha. Ha. I thought Sport Abteilung was funny enough but that just spoiled it.

It was Logan.

Young man, I don't think so.

I just found out today that SA originally stood for Sport Abteilung (yes, SPORT), it was soon changed to Sturm Abteilung after their beerhall brawling reputations. LOL!

sport abteilung... if my 2 years of german serve me correctly, doesnt that translate as "sport troops"

sport abteilung... if my 2 years of german serve me correctly, doesnt that translate as "sport troops"

Hell I don't know. I was skeptical of that at first.

You may be on to something there Cabra. There are many examples to support that throughout history. Ivan the Terrible was tolerable until his first wife died. Napoleon’s wife was quite the adulteress, which caused him tremendous grief. Stalin may be an exception. Though, I don’t think he ever found a stable loving relationship. I may be wrong. Soviet history isn't my strong suit.

I thought Stalin had his share of troubles in this section as well? I don't know for sure either, though. I wouldn't want to include Carl XII of Sweden into the same cathegory as these other fellows but he appears to have been totally asexual as well. No women at all,...although he must have recieved a lot of offers for sure.

sport abteilung... if my 2 years of german serve me correctly, doesnt that translate as "sport troops"

I don't think German translates directly to English. Try Schutzstaffel, for example.

I thought Stalin had his share of troubles in this section as well? I don't know for sure either, though.

Hitler and Stalin were both taugh sadism from their fathers' beating. They've learnt that love does not exist and through fear and power, people only have their uses. This was especially true in the case of Hitler observing his unchangeable, subservient mother acting as his father's "slave". He soon distinguished the the preferred role in any victimizer-victim relationship.

It was also known that Hitler later tried to be brave after reading the works of Karl May (a popular German writer of adventure novels for boys at the time). His mother thought the son had gone insane when throughout the beating he refused to make a sound, then simply pulled himself together and reported to her how many times he got hit.

Do you people suspect that I admire Hitler? My mother is quite concerned about me getting excited when Auschwitz: The Nazis and the 'Final Solution is on TV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/index.shtml

LOL! Dark side of the Force?

hmm...you sure do know a lot about this...what an interesting discussion, anyway.

I couldn't believe it myself. I think one book referenced that to Fest's biography about Hitler and some other book cited by Hoffmann (the party's photographer).
Although I'm a bit wary of Fest, he is generally a reliable source. I'll check up next time I'm at our univerity library and then may stand corrected :)

History fascinates me. I enjoy discussing about that and there's no need to hide it. I am particularly drawn to history of the 1930s-50s, with the topic of deep interest being Nazi Germany.

I used to be the typical democracy loving boy until three years ago, when they talked about the origins of WWII in history class. I was drawn to Hitler's ability of rebuilding German in such a short time and how nationalism was the vehicle to national glory. Now comparing with that piece of crap I was born in, I wish there's more nationalism...

Following the failure of the Kapp putsch Mar 1920 the use of field grey were discontinued and the unit was redesignated Ordnertruppe.

The Ordnertruppe was soon banned but it was reformed in the summer as the Turn- und Sportabteilung. Emil Maurice took command of this unit Nov 1920, but was replaced by Leutnant Hans Ulrich Klintzsch (of Brigade Ehrhardt) in the summer of 1921. The Brigade Ehrhard also supported the development by helping them with training and also financing parts of their activities.

The SA was formally formed 4 Nov 1921 following a party meeting when a large number of opponents attempted to disrupt it but was beaten and thrown out by the men of the Turn- und Sportabteilung.
The history of SA
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3078

Although I'm a bit wary of Fest, he is generally a reliable source. I'll check up next time I'm at our univerity library and then may stand corrected :)

You might want to read Hayman's Hitler and Geli. There's a copy of that at my university's library. That's the book that told me about the Sport Abteilung (I still can't stop laughing about it).

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERraubalbook.jpg

That book claims that Emil Maurice (Hitler's first chauffeur) caused Hitler great rage when it was revealed that Maurice slept with his neice.

I was drawn to Hitler's ability of rebuilding German in such a short time and how nationalism was the vehicle to national glory.
Which didn't last long, was built on the suffering and death of millions of people and resulted in the complete and utter destruction of Germany, loss of German land, a nearly 50 year seperation of east and west Germany and loss (through death or exodus before or after the war) of Germany's cultural and scientific elite.
Great job, Adolf!

The history of SA
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3078

See! That did mention Sport Abteilung.

Which didn't last long, was built on the suffering and death of millions of people and resulted in the complete and utter destruction of Germany, loss of German land, a nearly 50 year seperation of east and west Germany and loss (through death or exodus before or after the war) of Germany's cultural and scientific elite.
Great job, Adolf!

He got greedy. But still, what Hitler could do with Germany (rebuilding the economy and military, and turning her into a world power again) in five years the Chinese could not achieve in fifty or even a hundred years!

History fascinates me. I enjoy discussing about that and there's no need to hide it. I am particularly drawn to history of the 1930s-50s, with the topic of deep interest being Nazi Germany.

I used to be the typical democracy loving boy until three years ago, when they talked about the origins of WWII in history class. I was drawn to Hitler's ability of rebuilding German in such a short time and how nationalism was the vehicle to national glory. Now comparing with that piece of crap I was born in, I wish there's more nationalism...

well. I don't totally agree with you but I must admit that, at first, he did some things right. It's just that people tend to forget about that, for some reason... :rolleyes:

Have you heard about Lemmy [of Motörhead fame] and how he has a huge collection of stuff from the nazi era? Among others a card with the phrase "frohe weihnachten" [or whatever, I don't speak german] and Hitler's autograph underneath it.

I thought Stalin had his share of troubles in this section as well?

In both dictators, power was very addictive. They would minimize other bodily functions in order to enjoy that. It would not be surprising if power renders politicians sexually inactive or create marital problems.

China's last emporer, Henry Puyi was a turned sexually inactive or driven to the point of being an asexual after his tireless but fruitless struggle to regain the throne. He toiled endless and his 'empress' ended up being impregnated by his chief bodyguard!

By comparison, do serious gambling addicts need sex? In fact, my local casino needs new carpets every few months because the people on the slot machines wouldn't stop pissing their pants.

well. I don't totally agree with you but I must admit that, at first, he did some things right. It's just that people tend to forget about that, for some reason... :rolleyes:

Have you heard about Lemmy [of Motörhead fame] and how he has a huge collection of stuff from the nazi era? Among others a card with the phrase "frohe weihnachten" [or whatever, I don't speak german] and Hitler's autograph underneath it.

Losing the war was the ultimate downfall, but don't forget that there's a chance that he could have won. If he chose to invade countries more carefully. I know for a fact that Hitler was a very poor commander. Yes, he's got two Iron Crosses, but those were from being a grunt. He was never in command in WWI. he was a madman, sure. But there were some logic to his madness.

Pity I don't have any Nazi antiquities. Those things are probably worth fortunes now.

Losing the war was the ultimate downfall, but don't forget that there's a chance that he could have won. If he chose to invade countries more carefully. I know for a fact that Hitler was a very poor commander. Yes, he's got two Iron Crosses, but those were from being a grunt. He was never in command in WWI.

um, reminds me of a certain jerk active today...

um, reminds me of a certain jerk active today...

What jerk? Bush went AWOL during 'Nam and he was only in the National Guard.

It was Godwin :D

What jerk? Bush went AWOL during 'Nam and he was only in the National Guard.

Right. I shouldn't have said that, since I really wouldn't care to discuss that right now.

It was Godwin :D

Please stop it with the Godwin. I'm not a Nazi and this is a discussion about Hitler and maybe a bit of Nazism thrown in.

Losing the war was the ultimate downfall, but don't forget that there's a chance that he could have won. If he chose to invade countries more carefully. I know for a fact that Hitler was a very poor commander. Yes, he's got two Iron Crosses, but those were from being a grunt. He was never in command in WWI.
No, I don't think he could have won ultimately. His whole policy of gaining "Lebensraum" (living space) ifor Germany in the east was built on the premise that he'd have to invade not only all eastern neighbouring countries, but up to the black sea. What people forget is how few natural recources Germany had (and has). In order to sustain his campagne, he'd have to stretch further and further (wheat, oil, minerals). Sooner or later he would have overstretched himself.
He could have left western Europe alone, but wanted to beat France in order to correct the shame of the Versaille treaty. But even if he hadn't done so, the Brtitish would not have allowed Germany to rise in that way, eventually war with Brittain would have been inevitable.

If he had stopped after annexing the german parts of Bohemia, history might have been different. But what people forget was that he never intended to stop. The whole society and economy of Germany was tailored by him to the idea of expansion through war. Everything he did was part of this programme, i.e. the building of the motorways, which were to be used to move troops and heavy equipment about quickly. He never had any plans to build a peaceful nation.

It is rather uncomforting as Hitler and his niece have some facial resemblance.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TMS24IPIxZEJ:www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/hitler.jpg

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERraubal.jpg

No, I don't think he could have won ultimately. His whole policy of gaining "Lebensraum" (living space) ifor Germany in the east was built on the premise that he'd have to invade not only all eastern neighbouring countries, but up to the black sea. What people forget is how few natural recources Germany had (and has). In order to sustain his campagne, he'd have to stretch further and further (wheat, oil, minerals). Sooner or later he would have overstretched himself.
He could have left western Europe alone, but wanted to beat France in order to correct the shame of the Versaille treaty. But even if he hadn't done so, the Brtitish would not have allowed Germany to rise in that way, eventually war with Brittain would have been inevitable.

If he had stopped after annexing the german parts of Bohemia, history might have been different. But what people forget was that he never intended to stop. The whole society and economy of Germany was tailored by him to the idea of expansion through war. Everything he did was part of this programme, i.e. the building of the motorways, which were to be used to move troops and heavy equipment about quickly. He never had any plans to build a peaceful nation.

Yeah, I really can't see him telling his troups "alright, now I'm happy with what we've achieved, let's not do this anymore."
I mean, invading Russia? come on...

You might want to read Hayman's Hitler and Geli. There's a copy of that at my university's library. That's the book that told me about the Sport Abteilung (I still can't stop laughing about it).

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERraubalbook.jpg

That book claims that Emil Maurice (Hitler's first chauffeur) caused Hitler great rage when it was revealed that Maurice slept with his neice.
This is exactly how it was shown in Hitler, The Rise of Evil. I had heard about Geli but never knew there was something more in it before I saw the film.

No, I don't think he could have won ultimately. His whole policy of gaining "Lebensraum" (living space) ifor Germany in the east was built on the premise that he'd have to invade not only all eastern neighbouring countries, but up to the black sea. What people forget is how few natural recources Germany had (and has). In order to sustain his campagne, he'd have to stretch further and further (wheat, oil, minerals). Sooner or later he would have overstretched himself.
He could have left western Europe alone, but wanted to beat France in order to correct the shame of the Versaille treaty. But even if he hadn't done so, the Brtitish would not have allowed Germany to rise in that way, eventually war with Brittain would have been inevitable.

If he had stopped after annexing the german parts of Bohemia, history might have been different. But what people forget was that he never intended to stop. The whole society and economy of Germany was tailored by him to the idea of expansion through war. Everything he did was part of this programme, i.e. the building of the motorways, which were to be used to move troops and heavy equipment about quickly. He never had any plans to build a peaceful nation.

He could have kept the treaty with Stalin and focussed on Britain at first. In the end, the Americans will be left out, and a great blood bath between Germany and the Soviet Union would follow, despite delay. Even prior to his attack on Poland, the West feared communism more. Being the isolationist America as it was only Pearl Harbor managed to trigger their involvement.

Hitler lacked patience, and that could be seen with the blitzkrieg.

Yeah, he had one, it was Abraham, lol.

This is exactly how it was shown in Hitler, The Rise of Evil. I had heard about Geli but never knew there was something more in it before I saw the film.

A more specific TV movie about the subject was Uncle Adolf, also made by the British.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418271/

Yeah, he had one, it was Abraham, lol.

Cut the crap!

Yeah, I really can't see him telling his troups "alright, now I'm happy with what we've achieved, let's not do this anymore."
I mean, invading Russia? come on...

If he was better prepared then there might be victory against the Ivans. He was impatient.

And that documentary about Auschwitz that this sino fellow was talking about is actually shown on Finnish national tv as well.

I can't think of any oppressive tyrant right now who had a fulfilling sexual and emotional life...

King of Swaziland?

16 year old virgins and Maybachs.......

And that documentary about Auschwitz that this sino fellow was talking about is actually shown on Finnish national tv as well.

Did it attracted a lot of viewers?

King of Swaziland?

16 year old virgins and Maybachs.......

What about the emporers of China- up to 1000 concubines?

What's a Maybach?

Well I don't know about a middle name, but I do know that Hitler's original surname was Heidler, or something quite similar to that.
His father was Alois Heidler (may have spelt that wrong), but I think Hitler didn't want to use that name coz his father was an illigitemate child or something like that.
Anyway, somehow Adolf was embarrassed about having the name Heidler, so changed it to Hitler.
Perhaps if you looked up that surname it might come up with something...

Did it attracted a lot of viewers?

well I'm sure it does. I don't know if this was the same thing but if I remember it correctly it was in six "episodes". So it still runs every saturday, I think. It seemed very interesting anyway. That is if one's interested in these kind of things. It can get a bit heavy at times...

Ok, a quick google search proves that Hitler was indeed without a middle name.

yes, but what about this surname question? anyone?

Well I don't know about a middle name, but I do know that Hitler's original surname was Heidler, or something quite similar to that.
His father was Alois Heidler (may have spelt that wrong), but I think Hitler didn't want to use that name coz his father was an illigitemate child or something like that.
Anyway, somehow Adolf was embarrassed about having the name Heidler, so changed it to Hitler.
Perhaps if you looked up that surname it might come up with something...

Being illiterates, the variants of Hiedler, Huettler and Hitler is the same name. His grandfather (who was a bastard), upon being legitimized to Heidler somehow showed up on record as Hitler. Either the clergyman had a hearing problem or that the Habsburgs were standardizing spelling. Prior to that, Alois Hitler was Alois Schicklgruber (from his mother's surname).

Now imagine excited crowds chanting "Heil Schicklgruber!" It just won't have the same effect. Surprisingly enough, geneologists point out that Hitler was a surname of Bohemian origin.

My Grandfather had 4 Middle names.

Adolf Hitler's middle name was Patrick.

His Cousin was Patrick Hitler and was Irish.
Patrick left Ireland for US o'A and changed his last name.
Patrick joined the navy.
Patrick had a son youd never guess what his sons name was though....

well I'm sure it does. I don't know if this was the same thing but if I remember it correctly it was in six "episodes". So it still runs every saturday, I think. It seemed very interesting anyway. That is if one's interested in these kind of things. It can get a bit heavy at times...

Since this ain't a country interested in history, we're currently running Auschwitz late night on Saturdays. I don't care if they show it at other inconvenient times; my eyes are always there for good WWII documentaries.

Now imagine excited crowds chanting "Heil Schicklgruber!" It just won't have the same effect. Surprisingly enough, geneologists point out that Hitler was a surname of Bohemian origin.

yeah, that was the name I was thinking about! I remember having read a comment like that someplace else. I think he would, in the case of Schicklgruber, have taken an artist name or changed it to just Gruber or something like that.

My Grandfather had 4 Middle names.

Adolf Hitler's middle name was Patrick.

His Cousin was Patrick Hitler and was Irish.
Patrick left Ireland for US o'A and changed his last name.
Patrick joined the navy.
Patrick had a son youd never guess what his sons name was though....


sean ?

My Grandfather had 4 Middle names.

Adolf Hitler's middle name was Patrick.

His Cousin was Patrick Hitler and was Irish.
Patrick left Ireland for US o'A and changed his last name.
Patrick joined the navy.
Patrick had a son youd never guess what his sons name was though....

WTF? I know that he Hitler had a half-brother who later immigrated to Ireland but was very secretive about his past during the War.

How does your grandfather's 4 middle names come into this?

Since this ain't a country interested in history, we're currently running Auschwitz late night on Saturdays. I don't care if they show it at other inconvenient times; my eyes are always there for good WWII documentaries.

I think it airs sometime in the afternoon here, which I find a bit odd as well.

I think it airs sometime in the afternoon here, which I find a bit odd as well.

Maybe your country (being a European one) wants to forget about the Nazis and the suffering they've caused...

WTF? I know that he Hitler had a half-brother who later immigrated to Ireland but was very secretive about his past during the War.

How does your grandfather's 4 middle names come into this?


I think he actually had quite a few brothers and sisters...though some of them died in infancy.
I read somewhere that he had a sister who moved to America too.

Well, it's getting late over here. Pity there's no good WWII documentaries on tonight. So I'm off to shower then bed. Don't worry, it'll be water not Zyklon B. LOL!

I think he actually had quite a few brothers and sisters...though some of them died in infancy.
I read somewhere that he had a sister who moved to America too.

Not sure about the sister Paula moving off to America. She had mental problems and never married.

Maybe your country (being a European one) wants to forget about the Nazis and the suffering they've caused...

I think only the older generations get upset while discussing this issue, the "younger" [born after the second WW] are just curious of what really happened...

WTF? I know that he Hitler had a half-brother who later immigrated to Ireland but was very secretive about his past during the War.

How does your grandfather's 4 middle names come into this?
Well maybe my Grandfather got 4 and so Hitler got none.

*Sino there will be plenty of Rat poison for you and you know it!*

Well, it's getting late over here. Pity there's no good WWII documentaries on tonight. So I'm off to shower then bed. Don't worry, it'll be water not Zyklon B. LOL!

cruel joke... :rolleyes:

Rat poison? Just because I can't tell arse from elbow when it comes to online sarcasm.

cruel joke... :rolleyes:

Like other racist jokes, people joke about the Holocaust as well. I'm also very pro-Zionist, as I admire nationalism.

Well, I'm off for the night.

*Fake German accent:* "Heil Slumber!!!"

*Does the Nazi salute in mockery.*

Like other racist jokes, people joke about the Holocaust as well. I'm also very pro-Zionist, as I admire nationalism.

sure, no offence taken.. ;)

I think it airs sometime in the afternoon here, which I find a bit odd as well.

In the afternoon, the hour when children are watching their cartoons? No wonder Finnland has a solid education system!

What about the emporers of China- up to 1000 concubines?

What's a Maybach?


A Maybach (http://www.maybach.ru/wp/maybach-9_1024.jpg)

And that documentary about Auschwitz that this sino fellow was talking about is actually shown on Finnish national tv as well.
And it's damn good.

And it's damn good.

yeah, I do like it as well.

yeah, I do like it as well.
And it's on evry Sunday 16.05. Prime time (when there's no Formula 1...)

yeah, I do like it as well.
Too bad Yle never produces anything ambitious.

And it's on evry Sunday 16.05. Prime time (when there's no Formula 1...)

yeah, earlier I told saturday, but your right.

Too bad Yle never produces anything ambitious.

well, they haven't got a lot of money. and if they have, they waste it on some meaningless hockey competition.

Maybe your country (being a European one) wants to forget about the Nazis and the suffering they've caused...
Huh? We've only started to discuss about it. Every country (who involved) did some horrible acts during ww2. Only now other (than Germany/Italy) countries have started to admit their own mistakes.

And it's damn good.

Seig heil to that comment!

well, they haven't got a lot of money. and if they have, they waste it on some meaningless hockey competition.
I could discuss hours about Yle and other public televisions but I won't hijack this thread (anymore). What was the original question again? Oh yes, I've written somewhere that he did not have a middle name.

Weird, I never knew it was considered as "elite". Everyone has middle names (one or two) in Finland. I know only one person who has just one given name.

Huh? We've only started to discuss about it. Every country (who involved) did some horrible acts during ww2. Only now other (than Germany/Italy) countries have started to admit their own mistakes.

We all know about Ivan and his trophy brigades (hell, I'm also reading Beevor's Berlin: The Downfall 1945), I'm sure the other Allies only committed harm on their enemies.

Seig heil to that comment!
You keep saying that you're not a nazi but sometimes it's a bit hard to believe it. If you really aren't, maybe you shouldn't make posts like this. I understand it could be just a joke but it really isn't that obvious on internet.

Go on the hijack the thread. The Hitler question has been sorted. I can be off to bed. There could be grand rallies in my dreams. LOL!

You keep saying that you're not a nazi but sometimes it's a bit hard to believe it. If you really aren't, maybe you shouldn't make posts like this. I understand it could be just a joke but it really isn't that obvious on internet.

I mock and joke about Nazism all the time. Ask my mate _Taiwan who also posts on these forums. I can give a pretty good impersonation of Hitler. I imitated Hitler making a speech back in high school and the history teacher thought it was "disturbing". LOL!

Now if I'm White, have brown hair and hypnotic blues eyes, they would be even more convincing.

He could have kept the treaty with Stalin and focussed on Britain at first
Why should he have done that? He had originally admired the British and had even entertained hopes they would become allies. A war with Britain was not on the agenda. Hitler did not believe that Britain (and France) would honour the defense pact they had with Poland. Even when they officially declared war on Germany as a result of this, he still thought that a seperate treaty with England would be possible. Only when (after the battle of France and the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force at Dunkirk) this treaty proved to be out of his reach, did he plan to attack and invade Britain. After losing the Battle of Britain) these plans were abandoned (by then he had enough other problems anyway).
Hitler lacked patience, and that could be seen with the blitzkrieg.
The Blitzkrieg (lightening war) was not lack of patience, but a cleverly designed military strategy. It wasn't Hitler's idea either, but had been devised by military strategists shortly after WWI, in order to prevent a future war of attrition, like the trench warefare of WWI.
Blitzkrieg strategy is still used today, most recent in the 2nd Gulf war (Shock and Awe), where a smaller, but highly skilled and mobile army is pitched against a larger, less mobile army. Only the US doesn't call this strategy Blitzkrieg (wouldn't look to good), but "rapid dominance." The Israely army used similar tactics during the 1967 Six-Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

I'll answer this on another day. Good night!

g'dnight. yes, the original question was pretty thoroughly discussed already... :)