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It's about to start. My guess in July. Now we'll reap the benefits of a Communist government. Usually, before the government troops make the rounds shooting people wholesale, they gather up any means that people might have to resist.

"Surrender All Automatic Weapons'

The Herald (Harare)

June 25, 2005
Posted to the web June 27, 2005

Harare

Police yesterday urged people with automatic weapons at their homes to surrender them at the nearest police station.

These weapons include, self-loading weapons, G3 (all types), FN 7.62 mm rifles, UZI M.G and scorpion pistols.

Police chief spokesperson Assistant Commissioner Wayne Bvudzijena urged the public to co-operate and did not give the reasons of the withdrawal.

"We would like to urge the people to fully co-operate with the police and those who will remain with these weapons would be contravening the law," he said.

Harare police spokesperson Inspector Jessie Banda said the firearm licences for such weapons had been withdrawn with immediate effect.

"Police would like to advise members of the public that firearm licences of the following weapons, self loading weapons, G3, FN 7,62 mm rifles and scorpion pistols have since been revoked in terms of sub section (7) of Section (6) of the Firearms Act (Chapter) 10:09," she said.

"Possession of the above listed firearms is now unlawful. Members of the public are being urged to surrender these firearms to their nearest police stations by 30 June 2005. They will be issued with an issue voucher upon surrendering the firearm," said Insp Banda.

Its easier to round people up and make them dissapear when you know they no longer have weapons.

That's why the 2nd Amendment is so important. When people can't defend themselves, the government can do whatever it wants.

BUT GUNS ARE STILL EVIL RAH RAH BAH[/anti-gun nut]

I hope someone steps up to this before it goes too far, but everyone will just find a way to complain about the US not taking care of it, nevermind that they're busy with a couple of other evil regimes right now.

Does someone have psychic powers? Or is it the knee-jerk "rights to guns are threatened, world will end"-alarmism as always?

You can still defend yourself with non-automatic weapons.

Automatic weapons are nice during civil wars, but not in most other situations. That's why most African countries -- who have suffered from civil unrest and wars in the 20th century -- try to get these weapons out of the street.

In Canada, 23% of the population has a gun in the house -- most of them for hunting, but there are also handguns. But automatic weapons aren't allowed.

So where do we draw the line? Should people be allowed to buy a gatling gun, a bazooka, a mortar, a heat-seeking missile, a tank?

Private ownership of small caliber, semi-automatic or one-bullet-a-time weapons is wayyy enough.

What? WL hasn't yet said something like, "since the rest of the world hates us, the good old US of A is going to sit in the garden eating worms, yum, yum, while the UN lets another genocide go by unnoticed..."?

So where do we draw the line? Should people be allowed to buy a gatling gun, a bazooka, a mortar, a heat-seeking missile, a tank?

Private ownership of small caliber, semi-automatic or one-bullet-a-time weapons is wayyy enough.

Why not? It's not like many people can afford tanks, let alone tanks with ammunition and a crew and fuel. They want to park a chunk of metal on their property, who am I to say no? Same with gatling guns and bazookas. If more people had access to high explosives I bet there'd be a lot less pent-up rage. At least, I might be out there on a firing range blowing up things instead of aggressively tackling online issues.

I'm afraid there will be a massacre - the gun confiscation is a signal. It's been a long time coming.

What's the solution?

At least, I might be out there on a firing range blowing up things instead of aggressively tackling online issues.
LOL
Good point

I'm afraid there will be a massacre - the gun confiscation is a signal. It's been a long time coming.

What's the solution?
There is no realistic solution. The world will stand by and watch while another massacre takes place in Africa.

Does someone have psychic powers? Or is it the knee-jerk "rights to guns are threatened, world will end"-alarmism as always?

I don't know, Mugabe's followed the worst predictions pretty closely so far, I don't think it's chicken-little to presume that he's going to continue-at this point, he really has no other option beyond stepping down.

What? WL hasn't yet said something like, "since the rest of the world hates us, the good old US of A is going to sit in the garden eating worms, yum, yum, while the UN lets another genocide go by unnoticed..."?How about if I do it?

June 27, 2005

JPFO ALERT: Warnings in Chapter 15 of Death by "Gun Control" Proved Correct

Remember Chapter 15 of our book, Death by "Gun Control," entitled: "Zimbabwe: None So Blind"?

In 2001, when Death by "Gun Control" was published, the Zimbabwe government's program of disarming farmers and taking their land was underway. Some people had already been killed, and we predicted that the Zimbabweans were facing a national persecution at the hands of their government.

We wrote: "The lesson of Zimbabwe: Minorities who fail to prepare for self-defense against their own government are easy targets of the Genocide Formula. A good government will never try to render its citizens defenseless -- an evil government always will." (Pp. 194-195)

Zimbabwe in 2005 is a hell hole of horrific human suffering and government decreed death. Like the Soviet Terror Famine and several of the Red Chinese economic programs that killed thousands and millions, the Zimbabwean government has begun a national campaign of destroying homes and businesses.

Cathy Buckle, a resident of Zimbabwe and author of two books about its government-designed self-destruction, wrote last week:

"I am in deep shock at the situation in Marondera as the government's 'Operation Restore Order' to cleanse the town has gone into its third week. Everywhere you look you see only desperation, fear and shock on people's faces. Everyone is saying the same thing: 'But why are they doing this to us, what are we going to do, where can we go, we are going to die.'

"On a short drive around Marondera town the aftermath is there for all who care to see. There are mounds of rubble on street corners, stacks of timber, tin and asbestos piled on road sides, dismantled pre-fabricated houses leaning against trees and people staring in shock at what was there one day and gone the next."

We at JPFO urge you to visit two websites and read what is currently happening to the Zimbabwean people.

http://africantears.netfirms.com

http://www.swradioafrica.com/

You need to see exactly what is happening there, because it is exactly what happens when evil governments reign in disarmed countries.

The Zimbabwean government is committing atrocities against its own people of the exact same sort as what the British did to the American colonists -- and worse. The American colonists rose up against the British government and overthrew its rule by force of arms.

In Zimbabwe, however, the people are victims of horrors against which they cannot now effectively fight. The people are disarmed in fact and in spirit.

If you dismiss the Terror Famine and the Red Chinese horrors and the Cambodian genocide as ancient history, then you need to read about Zimbabwe *now* !

Take 15 minutes and see how disarmament and deliberate government economic and "law and order" policies are endangering millions and killing thousands -- *right now."

Click on:

http://africantears.netfirms.com

and visit the articles archived on the left column under "Cathy's Letters." Cathy Buckle is on-site, a life-long Zimbabwe resident, and she has seen and heard it all. Years ago Cathy Buckle warned about the house-to-house disarmament, she described the thousands of farm confiscations, and she has continuously reported the resulting national famine. Now she reports the government's destruction of homes and property that aims to force people to submit, relocate and die.

Click also on:

http://www.swradioafrica.com/

and read the articles posted there. These articles are written by Zimbabwean journalists and observers on-site.

===

To understand the mechanisms of genocide, like the mechanisms currently taking operating in Zimbabwe, get and read Death by "Gun Control."

www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm

With the insights you gain from that book, you will be able to understand how man's inhumanity to man can become government policy that kills millions.

With the cold facts of history and today, you can unmask the advocates of "gun control" and big government, and expose them for what they are: the carriers of killer ideology.

Click on these websites and get educated -- for the sake of the victims of the looming genocide in Zimbabwe. As pro- liberty activists, you owe it to them to care enough to know how they suffered and died. Perhaps their plight can help save others ... through you.

Q: "What happens when the protectors become the predators?"

A: Zimbabwe.

- The Liberty Crew

I don't know, Mugabe's followed the worst predictions pretty closely so far, I don't think it's chicken-little to presume that he's going to continue-at this point, he really has no other option beyond stepping down.
I say he has had the means for quite some time now and is still walking a small line between being a dangerous asshole and an asshole dangerous enough to be crushed. I dont think massacres will help his case. If he wanted he could have the army kill off the last white settlers and dissidents and no small amount of firearms would have stopped it.

Not like we are helping Zimbabwe, the UK is just deporting people back there and then they "disappear"

Not like we are helping Zimbabwe, the UK is just deporting people back there and then they "disappear"

But... isn't Bob Mugabe a Progressive Vanguard? (ergo, he gets a "pass" until after he's butchered his first million.)

But... isn't Bob Mugabe a Progressive Vanguard? (ergo, he gets a "pass" until after he's butchered his first million.)

Well he's gotta be close to that

Probably beyond if you factor in his economic incompetence.

Legs is right in this case. Mugabe is not having a good time of it ATM, he needs to be sure he can win. I doubt may will hand their guns in, they see the writing on the wall as well.

Private ownership of small caliber, semi-automatic or one-bullet-a-time weapons is wayyy enough.
Didn't read the article did you? Self-loading(Read semi-automatic) weapons are part of the ban. As for WL's assumption given Mugabe's recent actions it's pretty much a certainty.

What? WL hasn't yet said something like, "since the rest of the world hates us, the good old US of A is going to sit in the garden eating worms, yum, yum, while the UN lets another genocide go by unnoticed..."?
Actually, the US has already quietly offered logistics and air superiority assistance to any african countries(namely S. Africa) willing to intervene. They won't.

Actually, the US has already quietly offered logistics and air superiority assistance to any african countries(namely S. Africa) willing to intervene. They won't.

Really? I had heard something about S. Africa, but it was vague. Source?

I'll go ahead and make another prediction.

What these revolutions are really about is a) the redistribution of wealth and b) some payback.


The redistribution of wealth is promised to be peaceful, and the payback is promised to be done through legal means.

Of course, the people who are now in charge of the country have supporters who can't wait for the redistribution to take place over any reasonable time period, and they DO want some physical payback.

So what's happenning in Zimbabwe will happen in South Africa in due time. It's human nature at work - simple greed, simple payback, and the natural corruption that comes with being in power over other people.

Wait... they have a communist dictatorship there?

I thought it was just a dictatorship.

Wait... they have a communist dictatorship there?

I thought it was just a dictatorship.

Let's see. The official party started out as a Communist revolutionary organization, sponsored with money and arms by the USSR. The party claims to be Communist to this day.

Yes, it is Communist. And it looks like it's doing what most Communist revolutions do - devolve into a "Communist" government that acts as nasty as you can imagine.

Let's see. The official party started out as a Communist revolutionary organization, sponsored with money and arms by the USSR. The party claims to be Communist to this day.

Yes, it is Communist. And it looks like it's doing what most Communist revolutions do - devolve into a "Communist" government that acts as nasty as you can imagine.


Correction from a Zimbabwean, the ruling party ZANU (PF) is a composite of the perdominantly Shona ZANU party who were Chinese/Cuban/North Korean backed who gobbled up the old predominantly Ndebele (Patriotic Front) ZAPU Party who were Soviet/East German/Yugolav backed with help from the US who did not want Zim to become a Russian puppet in the 80's. The Gukurahundi (blow away the chaf i.e genocide) in the 80's was ignored by Britain and the US and allowed Mugabe to push aside both the surviving white parties (Rhodesian Front and Liberals) and the Russian backed (PF) ZAPU. After a six year state of emegancy Mugabe force (PF) ZAPU to sign the Unity accord which was essentialy a surender agreement and the two parties were amalgamated. At this time the Senate was abolished and the post of the President and Prime-Minister were made into the single post Mugabe now holds. It should be rememberd that the founders of ZANU were all killed off by Mugabe or the Rhodesians and that is how he became top dog.

Excellent article, Syniks, Thanks !