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Prisons across Iraq to hold as many as 16,000 detainees, says US military.

Dobbsworld
28-06-2005, 07:30
I think America is in for a lot longer than they bargained for.

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http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050627/w0627100.html

U.S. military to expand lockups in Iraq to hold 16,000 detainees

02:24 AM EDT Jun 28
FRANK GRIFFITHS

BAGHDAD (AP) - The U.S. military said Monday it plans to expand its prisons across Iraq to hold as many as 16,000 detainees, as the insurgency shows no sign of letup one year after the transfer of sovereignty to Iraqi authorities.

The plans were announced on a day three U.S. army soldiers were killed - two pilots whose helicopter crashed north of Baghdad and a soldier who was shot in the capital. At least four Iraqis died in a car bomb attack in the capital.

The AH-64 crashed in Mishahda, 30 kilometres north of the capital, and witness Mohammed Naji told Associated Press Television News he saw two helicopters flying toward Mishahda when "a rocket hit one of them and destroyed it completely in the air."

Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari said in London on Monday that two years would be "more than enough" to establish security in his country, a task U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld believes may take up to 12 years.

Following talks with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, al-Jaafari said factors such as building up Iraq's own security forces, controlling the country's porous borders and pushing ahead with the political process would all play a part in ending the violence.

"I think two years will be enough, and more than enough, to establish security in our country," he told reporters.

The prison population at three military complexes throughout the country - Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca and Camp Cropper - has nearly doubled from 5,435 in June 2004 to 10,002 now, said Lt.-Col. Guy Rudisill, a spokesman for detainee operations in Iraq. Some 400 non-Iraqis are among the inmates, according to the military.

"We are past the normal capacity for both Abu Ghraib and Camp Bucca. We are at surge capacity," Rudisill said. "We are not at normal capacity for Camp Cropper."

The burgeoning prison population has forced the U.S. military to begin renovations on existing facilities, and work has also begun on restoring an old Iraqi military barracks near Sulaimaniyah, about 250 kilometres northeast of Baghdad.

The facility, to be called Fort Suse, is expected to be completed by Sept. 30 and will have room for 2,000 new detainees, Rudisill said.

All renovations should be done by February and are expected to make room for 16,000 detainees in Iraq, he said.

Two weeks ago, the military completed a new 400-detainee compound at Abu Ghraib, which the U.S. government sought to tear down after it became a symbol of an abuse scandal. It was kept in service after the Iraqi government objected. A new compound of the same size should be finished by the end of July at Abu Ghraib, Rudisill said.

The spokesman attributed the rise in the number of prisoners to "successful ongoing military operations against the insurgency and terrorists."

Those operations, however, have not stemmed the daily carnage demoralizing the country of 26 million people. With the Sunni Arab-dominated insurgency targeting the Shiite majority, the wave of killings has slowly been pushing the country toward civil war.

Dozens of foreign fighters have been reported killed in U.S.-led offensives in recent months, including Operation Spear at the porous Syrian border last week, but the deaths have had little effect on the resolve and ability of suicide bombers to strike at will.

"Al-Qaida in Iraq," headed by Jordanian-born extremist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has claimed responsibility for many of the attacks carried out by such fighters, but there are other insurgent groups - including homegrown factions.

On Monday, the U.S. military raised the death toll in last week's Fallujah attack to six, announcing that three women service members were killed in the ambush on an American convoy.
Sabbatis
28-06-2005, 07:56
I suspect they will need more capacity than that before this is over.
[NS]Ein Deutscher
28-06-2005, 09:28
It'll never be over. Rightly so. Just as the occupation will never end, the insurgents will always fight it. US arrogance is obviously endless, to think that they could erradicate the rebellion in Iraq. Laughable. :rolleyes: I keep watching with great interest as the US entrenches itself for years and years in this quagmire. While the rose-cheeked GI-boys die one by one, decimating America's youth, the civil war in Iraq looms ever nearer. Maybe it'll be a lesson for the US. A second Vietnam is apparently needed to counter the baseless supremacy-complex of the US military, who think they can control a guerilla war.
Upitatanium
28-06-2005, 10:55
When I read something like this it makes me wonder if the Democrats REALLY want the White House. I mean...would you want to go into the bathroom after someone made the most smelliest dump ever in there?

Anyway, this adds another interesting new wrinkle in the Bush saga.
Non Aligned States
28-06-2005, 11:15
When I read something like this it makes me wonder if the Democrats REALLY want the White House. I mean...would you want to go into the bathroom after someone made the most smelliest dump ever in there?


Only if I was wearing a NBC suit, was the janitor, and paid in accordance to the mess caused. I could probably retire on the proceeds.
Cadillac-Gage
28-06-2005, 11:48
I suspect they will need more capacity than that before this is over.

I think you're right. America doesn't do the "Efficient" thing and just shoot people to make room in the manner of the European Colonial Powers or the local bully-boys.

I think Al-Jafaari is probably right, though-if our guys can finish retraining the local troops to higher professional standards, and manage to in-grain those standards in, two years is plenty of time for Iraq to feel stable enough for the elected government to ask our guys and gals to go home-something most of the kids over there now, probably want more than sex.
Rumsfeld's 12 year number is probably the nicest of the worst-case scenarios. You realize, in the parallel most people like to use, Vietnam had an elected government when the U.S. entered their civil war, and then went to a military dictatorship as the war progressed. We're trying to remove a military dictatorship, and install an elected government... and keep it running long enough to remain running after we leave.
Leetistan
28-06-2005, 12:29
I have real doubts that the USA can train up an army to deal with the insurgency given that whenever the army has been left to their own devices they've either run away or joined in the insurgency themselves...
Tactical Grace
28-06-2005, 13:15
Ein Deutscher']While the rose-cheeked GI-boys die one by one, decimating America's youth.
Oh come on. :rolleyes: There's plenty more where they came from. It's only if they want to invade Iran that they would have to consider conscription and contemplate serious casualties.
[NS]Ein Deutscher
28-06-2005, 13:16
Oh come on. :rolleyes: There's plenty more where they came from. It's only if they want to invade Iran that they would have to consider conscription and contemplate serious casualties.
.. or China... or North Korea.
BlackKnight_Poet
28-06-2005, 13:20
:rolleyes:
Tactical Grace
28-06-2005, 13:21
Ein Deutscher'].. or China... or North Korea.
Well, I think sacrificing a generation is a fair price to pay for Freedom, don't you? :D
Very Angry Rabbits
28-06-2005, 13:24
I think America is in for a lot longer than they bargained for.More correctly, the United States is in for a lot more than was bargarined for by the complete and utter idiots that were unfortunately elected by a miniscule majority of us. Some of us knew all along that we got into this the wrong way, and that it was going to be an incredible mess.
BlackKnight_Poet
28-06-2005, 13:30
More correctly, the United States is in for a lot more than was bargarined for by the complete and utter idiots that were unfortunately elected by a miniscule majority of us. Some of us knew all along that we got into this the wrong way, and that it was going to be an incredible mess.


Yup. My brother who has seen action in both Afghanistan and Iraq used to support Bush. Now he flipping hates him.

You want to laugh? American serviceman not only hold prisoners in Abu Grabiab. They sleep in cells as well :D
Very Angry Rabbits
28-06-2005, 13:32
Ein Deutscher']It'll never be over. Rightly so. Just as the occupation will never end, the insurgents will always fight it. US arrogance is obviously endless, to think that they could erradicate the rebellion in Iraq. Laughable. :rolleyes: I keep watching with great interest as the US entrenches itself for years and years in this quagmire. While the rose-cheeked GI-boys die one by one, decimating America's youth, the civil war in Iraq looms ever nearer. Maybe it'll be a lesson for the US. A second Vietnam is apparently needed to counter the baseless supremacy-complex of the US military, who think they can control a guerilla war.I am, and have been all along, 100% against the US involvement in Iraq - particulary along the path our idiot leaders have choosen.

That being established, your attitude, as exemplified by use of phrases like "the rose-cheeked GI-boys die one by one", is just as wrong. While GWBush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and those jack-asses are an embarrassment to the United States, you are an embarrassment to the entire human race.