NationStates Jolt Archive


Bush & CO. need to read their Bibles again!

Arnburg
27-06-2005, 23:37
We should be taking Jesus and his Apostles as an example and teaching people what is commanded in the Bible. They wanted to see people doing what God intends so they can enter the kingdom of heaven. Sorry if this sounds too hard but I am aware that Jesus and the Apostles said things like stated below. This is not directed to any of you personally. It is just an example of what could be said to groups of rebellious people.

Jesus and his Apostles were extremely bold and gave either their jobs or money away to do God's ministry, unlike most people today who who do not follow their example. What would Jesus and the Apostles say to people today? The information is based on the information that if you earn as much as a pension in a country with high living standards you are in the top 10% of income earners in the world.

Where the word fortunate is used, it indicates a financial advantage in this world. This advantage does not indicate a person is hard working or honest. God therefore expects people to use this advantage for God's will.

Remember the Apostles accused people of murdering Jesus when they did not directly do it. Some of them among the group accused, may not even have supported it. People were called thieves when they were not stealing in man's view. Some of the verses below refer to people as, hypocrites, vipers, liars, murderers and betrayers. Instead of saying some people are murderers they said you are murderers. They stated ye which means you who would be the people they were talking to. This was probably to stir them up more so they would do something about their life, repent and believe. Weaker talk has less of an impact. Some of the people referred to in the below verses were actually believers in the church who had the wrong idea. Some of the bolder remarks also included in the verses are: "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.; Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers; Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money; Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. 25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. 26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee; sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor; He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; be content with your wages; O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?; Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?; Thou hypocrite, ye have made it a den of thieves; Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.; Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified."

The below verses indicate that the church is too lukewarm and not bold or hot enough. "Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:"

Would the Apostles say the below to the people of today? How would we do it? As an act of love, should we say something like below to people obviously in error to stir them so that they will repent and become strong believers?

I would like to see everyone including you more well off in this life. It would be good if everyone could easily find paid work and only work a small number of hours to receive plenty of spare money and time for God's will. The problem is this is not the case. Most people are much worse off than you. The term "excess money" below means the money you receive in earnings or profit minus what you would receive if you only received a pension or unemployment assistance. For example, if you earn $25,000 per year and the pension rate is $10,000/year, your excess money would be $15,000/year. This is only an estimation as God may consider that you actually have more excess money than this, as only a small percentage of people in the world receive excess money. Savings would also be considered excess money.

Congratulations, if you earn more than a pension and use most of your excess money for God's will. You are considered innocent if you are using your income in excess of a pension, to pay off a debt that resulted from trying to do God's will. God's will can include many things such as helping others, lobbying people to support the sincere hard working needy, or helping missions and ministries. It could include purchasing tools for God's will. If you think, why should I give or use most of the money to God's purpose that I worked so hard for, just remember the poor honest Christian people who worked harder than you, who suffer health problems due to their trauma of not earning anything, and being denied a right to do God's will as a result.

If you earn more than a pension and unless you give or use most of the money you earn in excess of a pension for God's will, you are guilty of taking other peoples jobs and income away, bankrupting or destroying small businesses that are normally earning much less than yourself and stopping people doing God's will by denying them the funds. Therefore you are stopping people from hearing the gospel and getting saved. Also you will be partly responsible for other peoples poverty, trauma, illness along with suicides, mental problems and crimes by unfortunate people. Perhaps you could be considered as bad as a criminal in God's sight and it is money that is either directly taken from poor people by you or money they deserve but you are wrongfully accepting. This is like thieving and murder if it leads to someone else's death.

For example, if you work for a small business manager you may earn $25,000 a year and only work 40 hrs a week while the poor honest small business manager is among the vast majority of people who are victims of greed and corruption. He is losing money and has a net earning of less than a pensioner despite innovatively working or slaving hard for over 60 hrs a week. But you are taking from him much more that you really need to survive while you watch the manager destructing into poverty and maybe suicide. This you would be partially responsible for if you don't use your excess money for God's will. If you don't, you are probably seen as an unloving, greedy viper and hypocrite that destroys honest peoples lives in God's sight. This is the nature of evil.

Unless public servants use their excess money for God's will instead of themselves, public servants could be another example of unloving criminals who take more than what they need from the government. Some highly qualified people have unsuccessfully tried hard to get jobs for 10 or 20 years. They even said they were on the verge of suicide on national television. If you are taking the positions they want and not using your excess money for God's will, you could be guilty in God's sight for causing their deaths.

If you want wage rises that increase costs, cause others unemployment, and destroy small businesses you could be even a worse criminal. Every hard worker is entitled to a wage. So why are you not using your excess money, or time to fight for the rights of those slaving in poverty, (for no more than pensioners wage) all around you, instead of greedily trying to grab more for yourself. If you destroy small businesses, there will be mass unemployment and slave labour, under huge corporations or multinational control. Surely you must be intelligent enough not to want this.

Even worse you probably encourage or deceive others by telling them that they must try to earn more money than a pension. You are also encouraging them to take jobs away from others and wrongfully use their money on enjoyments, entertainments, fashions, unnecessary possessions, and investments in ungodly places that don't need it. You are lying to your family and friends, and encouraging them to do things which both destroy their lives and give them no time for God. You should be telling others to volunteer to do God's will instead. You are probably also encouraging others to be proud of their paid jobs, and you are probably also proud of having a job which is evil. Your motive should be to work to help others and not for excess money for yourself.

Very few small businessmen are fortunate enough to have a net earning of more than a pension. If you do, but don't use your profits for God's will, you are guilty of unfairly competing against and destroying other small businesses.

That means you need to use most of your excess money for God's will. The only other option is you give your paid occupation to someone who will use the income wisely for God's will and you do volunteer work earning at the pension rate. This could include helping the needy or doing God's ministry. If you do you will still have more money than most others who often work harder and are more clever than yourself. If you don't, how can you watch other hard working, honest, Christian people dying and suffering in poverty all around you, and not help them. God commands that you repent and follow him which means asking for forgiveness and doing his will, otherwise you are the children of the Devil and you are going to Hell.

If you are saving money or investing money for yourself and not using it, or planning to use it for God's will, you could be guilty of denying others the funds to do God's ministry. Also you are partly responsible for causing others to suffer in poverty. If you don't use your savings for God's will, you will soon lose your money anyway, when the economy collapses or you die.

If you are unemployed or on a pension you should do volunteer work to help the needy or freely do God's ministry which would involve many different occupations. You could start working hard today. Don't waste your time and money trying to earn an income in excess of a pension which will only take someone else's career off them or prevent someone else getting a career where there are not enough career opportunities to go around. There are plenty of opportunities for ministry or helping people. Under the current corrupted system, trying to earn more money than a pension, is almost as bad as trying to gain money by gambling on a poker machine or casino. Often it also involves working or studying in a system infiltrated with evil philosophies and evil organizations such as the Illuminati, U.N. and WTO. People with little chance of finding paid employment would be better off being satisfied with what money they are receiving. The Apostles did not seek to earn more money than a pension. Mostly they did only unpaid work for God's ministry.

Stop wasting your time and money on unnecessary things which could be considered idols or evil in God's sight. Instead use your time and money for God's ministry and helping those in need.

If you make satisfactory income it does not mean to say you are more clever or hard working than people who don't. It is just that you were fortunate to be in the right place to meet the right people at the right time. If you were unfortunate like being born in a poor country you probably would be in poverty and maybe crying out for other people to help you. By saying you are better than others by being successful is wrongfully putting yourself above others who are more hard working and more innovative than yourself. For example you may have randomly contacted only 20 people in a days work and very fortunately found the one person in your country of 19 million who can team with you and make you succeed. But someone else marketing in the best possible way spent years and enormous expense advertising and made one million people aware of what he needs but could not find the one person who could help him. How can a financially fortunate person like you say you are better than other people.

Under the current corrupt system you have to be fortunate to succeed financially. If you do, but don't use your money wisely, you deny someone who works harder than you the opportunity to succeed financially. If you don't use your time or money for God's will and to lobby for a better future, you will have no future. Do you care about your future and your families and friends future? If you do spreading the gospel would be top priority. God will forgive you if you accept Jesus and repent.

The disciples offended many, were put in prison and were killed for their bold testimony, but they also won many to God. The people they influenced were more committed than most today, because the bold testimony of the Apostles example motivated them to put their life right.

Should we be saying something like the above to the people of today?
German Nightmare
27-06-2005, 23:42
Sometimes I've got the bad feeling that they didn't even read the Bible (or their version is missing a hell lot of pages!).

The OT's message: Believe in Him or He'll smite you!

The NT's message: LOVE. Love Thine enemy, neighbor, friend, family, GOD - for He loves you.

How is that so hard to understand?
UberPenguinLand
27-06-2005, 23:48
Exactly, they ignore the entire new testament except for the fact that it says you will be saved from Sin and Death. And so do most Christians. It gives us a bad name.
Frisbeeteria
27-06-2005, 23:54
When you cross post from another site, it is considered polite to link to your source (http://www.truechristianity.com/philosophy/bold.htm). People might actually think you took the time to write the above.
Deleuze
27-06-2005, 23:59
People might actually think you took the time to write the above.
I sure did.
Arnburg
28-06-2005, 10:36
Thanks to those few that have answered this post and understand the Bible. And as you can see that was not very many of you, sort of like most of today's so called Christians. I'm surprised no one took the time to defend Mr. Bush.