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(To all who are reading this, I am not a Muslim, I am a devout Catholic. I do not understand fully other religions. Heck, I don't even fully understand mine. But that's just faith. But I'm going to try and just clear somethings up for everyone)

Islam is a complex religion, and is a hot topic in the world today. Most Muslims are good people and understand what their Koran truly means. They are true Muslims: ones who obey the spirit of the law. Then, there are the fanatics: the Islamic terrorists. They practice every word of the Koran, which explains a lot, for their are many violent passages in the Koran. But that's the same with all religions' holy books. The Bible has violence in, too. But these terrorist scum think they are holy by practicing cowardly acts of pure evil. These are not true Muslims, these are monsters, bent on destruction. And for those who are Muslim that don't like the terrorist ways, but agree with their beliefs, remember what happened to Cambodia:America came in there, and people were angry. So American forces got called back. Due to this premature departure, the ruthless Pol Pot, and the Khmer Rouge came to power and said to the Cambodians, "You're not Cambodian enough," and killed them. This will happen if America is defeated by terrorists. The extremists will tell all other Muslims, "You're not Muslim enough," and you'll be killed. So, don't believe their ideals, for they are garbage.

Everyone, give your input, especially if you follow the religion of Islam.

Erm...what is it you're after, here?

Yes, as a British schoolchild, I learn Religious studies as part of the curriculum until im 15 or something.

Islam is a very solid religion, that resembles Christianity in many ways. I considered converting at one point, mind you, I also felt that way about buddhisim.

And like Christianity it can be hijacked to serve a malicious purpose.

I am a Muslim and I have to say that there is a move to suddenly deny that Islam could ever possibly conflict with anything because we're all so nice and cuddly.

Fact is Islam and capitalism are incompatible as systems but there is no Islamic evidence for blowing up random people. There is a specific methodology for implementing Islam and if you are interested I suggest you read up on the methodology of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

The most aggressive people I know are Buddhists, not Muslims.
With a Muslim you can discuss normally, and for a long time, about religious values and other topics. But Buddhists keep insulting you and telling you how a bad person you are, and how ridiculous your beliefs are.

Fact is Islam and capitalism are incompatible as systems

Did you know Muhammod(is that how you spell his name?) was a merchant?

Did you know Muhammod(is that how you spell his name?) was a merchant?
Yes. There is a difference between allowing commerce and basing a system on capitalism.

Selling = an action.
Capitalism = an ideology.
You = need some learning.

The most aggressive people I know are Buddhists, not Muslims.
With a Muslim you can discuss normally, and for a long time, about religious values and other topics. But Buddhists keep insulting you and telling you how a bad person you are, and how ridiculous your beliefs are.
You know some strange Buddhists...

I think Islam has a view of capitalism that is not far from the Presbytarian (protestant) view: profit is good, unless it generates suffering or injustice.

Islam encourages giving to the poor. That's why there are som many Muslim charities, some of them (such as Aga Khan) being highly respectable.

The most aggressive people I know are Buddhists, not Muslims.
With a Muslim you can discuss normally, and for a long time, about religious values and other topics. But Buddhists keep insulting you and telling you how a bad person you are, and how ridiculous your beliefs are.

It sounds like you know people who're trying to be Buddhist, but're just jerks. The most peaceful people I've ever met are Buddhists.

Aga Khan
Isn't Muslim. Ismaili which is something else.

But you're right Sadaqah (charity) is a key part of Islam.

You know some strange Buddhists...
Just tell a buddhist (a real, devout one) that you eat meat.
Expect the guy to patronize you forever.

And that's just one example.

Another one.

If you suffer because someone you know has died, they will have this little ironic smile, and explain to you that you should get rid of material things and human connections in order to be happy. I think that's so rude.

These people might be very soft-mannered, but they are often very intolerent, dismissive and judgemental. I just don't like people judging me, my beliefs and my lifestyle, believing that they are so eminently superior.

But as God forbids one from passing judgement, you cannot say that one is or is not a true Muslim.

Aga Khan

Isn't Muslim. Ismaili which is something else.
Sorry, I thought it was.
And I thought Ismailis were a marginal Muslim group (non Sunni, non Shia, non Sufi), having specific beliefs.
Now I'll have to do some research.

They practice every word of the Koran, which explains a lot, for their are many violent passages in the Koran.
Just curious, could you fill me in on some of these 'violent' passages?

And like Christianity it can be hijacked to serve a malicious purpose.



He's correct, just look at the Crusades...

Fact is Islam and capitalism are incompatible as systems
Out of curiosity, what sort of economic system could coexist w/Islam?

I suppose the ones that always have done. they created Islamic empires, gotta have some sort of economy.

Out of curiosity, what sort of economic system could coexist w/Islam?
I can't explain it right.

Just go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economics

The economic system is best explained by:

http://www.1924.org/books/pdfs/EconomicSystem.pdf

The economic system is best explained by:

http://www.1924.org/books/pdfs/EconomicSystem.pdf
It's a freaking book!

Yes, I find it rather sad how Muslims are villified in such a manner, just like we Christians are constantly reminded of the Crusades by unbelievers. Apparently, the concept of "the sin of the father shall not be upon the son" is a bit foreign to them.

He's correct, just look at the Crusades...

speaking of the Crusades, I heard recently that the christians went East because Muslims wouldn't allow them to travel in the Holy Land... in other words, it was fought over passport restrictions.

is there truth in this?

Religon, here we go again..........

WEll islam and christianty are the same thing, both belive in the god of abraham....

so all the religons that belive in ONE god are the same, they have more or less coltural differences, or different points of wiev on christ, son f god almighty or profet etc......


etc....................


buddhist i never understood their religon..

And all i know is hindu is fachisam with lower kasts of people on so on, like you are porn either rich or poor and depending on that if you are allowed to have certain jobs, well like i said, never understood budhisam, never understood hindu except for that it is discusting

Religon, here we go again..........

WEll islam and christianty are the same thing, both belive in the god of abraham....

so all the religons that belive in ONE god are the same, they have more or less coltural differences, or different points of wiev on christ, son f god almighty or profet etc......


etc....................


buddhist i never understood their religon..

And all i know is hindu is fachisam with lower kasts of people on so on, like you are porn either rich or poor and depending on that if you are allowed to have certain jobs, well like i said, never understood budhisam, never understood hindu except for that it is discusting
Dude. No offense, but ... learn to spell!

And all i know is hindu is fachisam with lower kasts of people on so on, like you are porn either rich or poor and depending on that if you are allowed to have certain jobs, well like i said, never understood budhisam, never understood hindu except for that it is discusting
No it's not. The caste system is a cultural ideology in India. Hinduism is a pretty beautiful religion other than the thousands and thousands of Gods they have.

Christians are constantly reminded of the Crusades by unbelievers. Apparently, the concept of "the sin of the father shall not be upon the son" is a bit foreign to them.


Aye, but dont forget, "those who forget are bound to repeat"

Aye, but dont forget, "those who forget are bound to repeat"
Correct. WWI was thought to be the last of it's kind at the time.

Correct. WWI was thought to be the last of it's kind at the time.


lol...They'll probley say that after WWIII too.

No it's not. The caste system is a cultural ideology in India. Hinduism is a pretty beautiful religion other than the thousands and thousands of Gods they have.
I have lot of respect for Hinduism, it is a fascinating religion with interesting Gods and stories (I have a story about Ganesh punishing me, but that will be for another time). But I DON'T respect it as a STATE religion, nor do I respect their priests who often live like parasites and exploit the villagers. It's really a rip-off.

But I DON'T respect it as a STATE religion, .

It isn't. It never was and never will be.

I suppose the ones that always have done. they created Islamic empires, gotta have some sort of economy.

Yes. Slave economy. The loot from conquests helped.