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NOTE: I don't scare easily, but these people scare the crap outta me! This is a fascinating look into the "thinking" of a potential suicide bomber. Note that he is a member of the former ruling minority in Iraq. This article is six pages long, but well worth the time it takes to read it. To read the entire article, please click on the title or follow the link at the bottom of this post.


Inside the Mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber (http://www.military.com/News/Home/0,13324,4-XX-0-DAYX20050627,00.html)


IN A RARE INTERVIEW, A TERRORIST IN TRAINING REVEALS CHILLING SECRETS ABOUT THE INSURGENCY'S DEADLIEST WEAPONS

By APARISIM GHOSH / BAGHDAD
Posted Sunday, Jun. 26, 2005

One day soon, this somber young man plans to offer up a final prayer and then blow himself up along with as many U.S. or Iraqi soldiers as he can reach. Marwan Abu Ubeida says he has been training for months to carry out a suicide mission. He doesn't know when or where he will be ordered to climb into a bomb-laden vehicle or strap on an explosives-filled vest but says he is eager for the moment to come. While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer. "First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of casualties among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact monotone, as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul so I am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many Americans."

At 20, Marwan is already a battle-hardened insurgent, a jihadi foot soldier in Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi's terrorist group, al-Qaeda in Iraq. Like the bulk of insurgents, he is a Sunni Muslim from the former ruling minority community. In his hometown, Fallujah, he is known for his ferociousness in battle and deep religiosity. Marwan asked his commander to consider him for a suicide mission last fall but had to wait until the beginning of April for his name to be put on the list of volunteers. "When he finally agreed," Marwan recalls, "it was the happiest day of my life." There are, he says, scores of names on that list, and it can be months before a volunteer is assigned an operation. But at the current high rate of attacks, Marwan hopes he will be called up soon. "I can't wait," he says, rubbing his thumbs with his fingers in nervous energy. "I am ready to die now."

Among the embittered population of Iraq, it's not hard to find young men who talk the terrorist talk, boasting of their willingness to serve as human bombs. It's hard to judge the speakers' sincerity. But the latest surge of suicide operations proves there is no scarcity of volunteers to become the most lethal weapon Iraq's insurgents have. Since May 1, Iraq has witnessed at least 129 suicide attacks, accounting for several of the estimated 150 U.S. fatalities during this period, including as many as six soldiers killed in an attack of their convoy near Fallujah last week. Most of the 1,200 Iraqis killed by insurgents since May 1 have died in suicide bombings. And yet, despite the frequency and deadliness of their attacks, almost nothing is known about individual bombers. Their identities have rarely been revealed and then only posthumously, on jihadist websites or carefully edited videotapes aimed at promoting the insurgent cause and attracting fresh recruits. Among the few who have been named, most are foreigners, many from Saudi Arabia.

[ This article is six pages long. To read the entire article, please go here (http://www.military.com/News/Home/0,13324,4-XX-0-DAYX20050627,00.html). ]

*shivers*
Three things:
1. This is really creepy.
2. This is why religion and politics don't mix.
3. This is really creepy.

You know, I really wish there was a practical way to assist these people in their death wish...

If they have a point to make with their own death, why can't they use the time-honored technique of public self-immoliation? At least people MIGHT feel sorry for you and your cause... :rolleyes:

*shivers*
Three things:
1. This is really creepy.
2. This is why religion and politics don't mix.
3. This is really creepy.
No shit! :(

You know, I really wish there was a practical way to assist these people in their death wish...

If they have a point to make with their own death, why can't they use the time-honored technique of public self-immoliation? At least people MIGHT feel sorry for you and your cause... :rolleyes:
I'll chip in to help buy the gasoline! :)

What these people don't realize is, if it were an ACTUAL Jihad and if he died during ACTUAL combat then he'd probably go to heaven. But it's not and he cowardly decided to try a suicide mission and therefore he'll go to hell.

No shit! :(
Maybe when more leftists like me read stuff like this they can start to rethink their positions on Israel. [/THREADJACK]

This sort of thing just doesn't happen in the First World. Or indeed in a good chunk of the Second World.

Just goes to show: They need more Internet porn in Iraq.

ROFL, true, one of the major points of Islam, as many religions, is to help and create, not cause pain and destroy. Looks like old Abu there is going to Hell, ah well, such a pity.

"Just goes to show: They need more Internet porn in Iraq."
Today 4:45 PM
- Markreich -

LOL, maybe that'd help them get some of that pent up frustration out that they obviously have :D

Also, I don't see how Israel has to get sucked into this. America funds Israel's army essentially and if they were to cut their funding and divert in to the Palestinians then it might actually become a fairer fight.

Jesus H. Christ! This is what happens when people have nothing to lose and (according to their twisted version of Islam) only marterdom and virgins to gain.

Also, I don't see how Israel has to get sucked into this. America funds Israel's army essentially and if they were to cut their funding and divert in to the Palestinians then it might actually become a fairer fight.
I'm not going to jack this thread any more than I already have. But that's a stupid argument. Start another thread if you want me to answer it.

This is bad enough, but I've seen worse coming out the mouths of kids in Afghanistan.

I still think that for all of those people who think that Islam is not a threat, and that these people are just aberrations, and who think that there isn't a "war on terror", and that there aren't any terrorist organizations - just a few bad guys here and there with no organization...

they need a six month trip to a place where car bombs and suicide bombers blow up every day.

After six months of that sort of tension, assuming they survive, they'll have a different world view when they come home.

What these people don't realize is, if it were an ACTUAL Jihad and if he died during ACTUAL combat then he'd probably go to heaven. But it's not and he cowardly decided to try a suicide mission and therefore he'll go to hell.
I don't think they let soldiers in ... but I'm hoping. ;)

I still think that for all of those people who think that Islam is not a threat, and that these people are just aberrations, and who think that there isn't a "war on terror", and that there aren't any terrorist organizations - just a few bad guys here and there with no organization...

they need a six month trip to a place where car bombs and suicide bombers blow up every day.

After six months of that sort of tension, assuming they survive, they'll have a different world view when they come home.
Kinda like that dim-bulb who went to Iraq to serve as a "human shield," only to have an Iraqi taxi driver tell him the truth? Did you get to read that??

I don't think they let soldiers in ... but I'm hoping. ;)
A defender during Jihad is secured in heaven before a drop of blood leaves his body. But it's also important to understand Jihad in a war sense before making judgements.

This site gives a pretty good explanation:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/JIHAAD/understanding_jihad_islam.htm

I'm sure if you were to ask, most suicide bombers'd describe themselves as being 'politically centrist'.

Ha.

I'm sure if you were to ask, most suicide bombers'd describe themselves as being 'politically centrist'.

Ha.
So now you're comparing me to a "jihadist?" That's a kind of new record low, even for you.

A defender during Jihad is secured in heaven before a drop of blood leaves his body. But it's also important to understand Jihad in a war sense before making judgements.

This site gives a pretty good explanation:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/JIHAAD/understanding_jihad_islam.htm
I was referring to myself, but thank you for the link. :)

So now you're comparing me to a "jihadist?" That's a kind of new record low, even for you.
Oh, the first time I read his/her post, I thought he/she wrote "politically correct." Which would have been funny, because it's true. Just in its most literal sense.

So now you're comparing me to a "jihadist?" That's a kind of new record low, even for you.

Ohhhh, feeling defensive? Look back, I didn't actually compare anything or anyone at all. It's not my fault if you leapt to that conclusion.

Are you feeling unduly sensitive today?

*shivers*
Three things:
1. This is really creepy.
2. This is why religion and politics don't mix.
3. This is really creepy.


No shit. This is another reason why I hate reading the newspaper and watching the news on tv. Scary as hell.

Ohhhh, feeling defensive? Look back, I didn't actually compare anything or anyone at all. It's not my fault if you leapt to that conclusion.

Are you feeling unduly sensitive today?
Nope. Not at all. I just don't like mealy-mouthed, ignorant little "pigfuckers" who wouldn't know reality if it slapped them across their simpering little mouths. :D

EDIT: I didn't actually compare anything or anyone at all there. If's not my fault if you leap to the conclusion that I was referring to you. :D

I really hate those emoticons.

I really hate those emoticons.
It's ok, sweeite. I wasn't directing them at you. :D

Kinda like that dim-bulb who went to Iraq to serve as a "human shield," only to have an Iraqi taxi driver tell him the truth? Did you get to read that??
I remember reading something like that...

I still think that for all of those people who think that Islam is not a threat, and that these people are just aberrations, and who think that there isn't a "war on terror", and that there aren't any terrorist organizations - just a few bad guys here and there with no organization...

they need a six month trip to a place where car bombs and suicide bombers blow up every day.

After six months of that sort of tension, assuming they survive, they'll have a different world view when they come home.

Are you saying the problem lies in the people who follow Islam, in general?

is this the guy who got in the van they were going to use for a suicide bombing, and then his "comrades" actually blew up the van via remote before he had a chance to, then he was ejected from the van and survived, therefore being captured? (didn't read all the article)

is this the guy who got in the van they were going to use for a suicide bombing, and then his "comrades" actually blew up the van via remote before he had a chance to, then he was ejected from the van and survived, therefore being captured? (didn't read all the article)

why is it i always seem to kill threads?

Are you saying the problem lies in the people who follow Islam, in general?
No, only with those who believe that jihad is an ongoing obligation, per the works of Zangi. For Shi'is, jihad is not an obligation because of the occultation of the hidden imam. Until he comes back, no jihad.

For Sunnis, especially radicaly Sunnis such as the Wahabbis, it is a problem.

why is it i always seem to kill threads?
OOhh. A new Stat for the Mods to track...

Last Poster on X# of threads...

Who would be NS General's most prolific (egregious?) Thread Killer...? :eek: :D

OOhh. A new Stat for the Mods to track...

Last Poster on X# of threads...

Who would be NS General's most prolific (egregious?) Thread Killer...? :eek: :D

The caveat is that they have to kill the thread without doing a Godwin.

The caveat is that they have to kill the thread without doing a Godwin.
What's a "Godwin?"

Curiously, Japanese Kamikaze pilots thought the very same way.. didnt helped them much.

There is no way to fight them.. to win them, one can only stop their creation.

What's a "Godwin?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

is this the guy who got in the van they were going to use for a suicide bombing, and then his "comrades" actually blew up the van via remote before he had a chance to, then he was ejected from the van and survived, therefore being captured? (didn't read all the article)
No, that's a different story. The one to which I'm referring was just some PC dude who thought it would be kewl to protest the coming invasion of Iraq by the US by volunteering to become a "human shield" for Saddam. :rolleyes:

Curiously, Japanese Kamikaze pilots thought the very same way.. didnt helped them much.

There is no way to fight them.. to win them, one can only stop their creation.

There is a technical solution, albeit a morally repugnant one.

The problem of suicide bombers who do so out of a belief in jihad could largely be solved by the judicious use of nuclear weapons, and the roundup and extermination of the remaining Muslims in the rest of the world.

That, Eutrusca, is a Godwin....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Thanks. Calling people "a Nazi" or "Hitler" seems to happen a lot on here, but doesn't usually seem to be thread-ending. Godwin's Law doesn't apply to Nation States? Hmmm.

EDIT: I didn't actually compare anything or anyone at all there. If's not my fault if you leap to the conclusion that I was referring to you. :D

You quoted him :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

There is a technical solution, albeit a morally repugnant one.

The problem of suicide bombers who do so out of a belief in jihad could largely be solved by the judicious use of nuclear weapons, and the roundup and extermination of the remaining Muslims in the rest of the world.

That, Eutrusca, is a Godwin....
I seee. Thanks for the additional example. But, like I indicated, I suspect that, for whatever reason, Godwin's Law doesn't seem to work on NS.

You quoted him :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I quote Peyton Conway March too, but that doesn't mean I'm referring to him.

You quoted him :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LOL

I spotted that too, but thought it seemed funnier to let it ride...

*giggling*

OOhh. A new Stat for the Mods to track...

Last Poster on X# of threads...

Who would be NS General's most prolific (egregious?) Thread Killer...? :eek: :D

I may well be in the lead for that one...

I may well be in the lead for that one...
It would certainly make an interesting archive search... I wonder if a script could handle it?

What these people don't realize is, if it were an ACTUAL Jihad and if he died during ACTUAL combat then he'd probably go to heaven. But it's not and he cowardly decided to try a suicide mission and therefore he'll go to hell.
That's assuming hell exists.

Curiously, Japanese Kamikaze pilots thought the very same way.. didnt helped them much.

There is no way to fight them.. to win them, one can only stop their creation.
Suicide bombers were actually very effective weapons; one of those could destroy an entire ship. It's just not moral (in my opinion) since the pilot has no chance of returning from a mission because he's not supposed to.