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Just out of curiousity...
What do you think your countries founders (as in the people who created its current government, not the people who first settled it :P) think about your country as it is today? Pride? Anger? Damn I wish I had been born a hundred years later?

I personaly think that Americans founders would have a heart attack on hearing that we were the new World Power and that Britain was no longer the owner of half the planet. OH, and thats new as well, did you know we have NINE planets now? :p

I personaly think that Americans founders would have a heart attack on hearing that we were the new World Power and that Britain was no longer the owner of half the planet. OH, and thats new as well, did you know we have NINE planets now? :p

I think they would consider the replacement of "E pluribus unum" by "In God we Trust" far more shocking...

Since my country (NL) is not so much "founded" as "evolved" (republic to constitutional monarchy anyone ;) ?) I cannot make a general statement. Possibly happy we are not occupied, unhappy that our navy is no longer the supreme ruler of the seas and surprised at the reduced appreciation for capitalism.

My countries founders would be shocked we allow non-whites in and that the Federal government is more powerful than the state governments.

They'd be thinking "finally", as we're in a military alliance with Germany.

Other than that, they, many of then monarchists, would strongly disagree with the recent curtailing of the president's powers, and would be deeply suspicious of the Social Democrats of today.

I think the Canadian founders would have a heart attack if they found out Canadians weren't British citizens. They would also freak about the size of America, fearing an attack from them any day now...

My countries founders would be shocked we allow non-whites in and that the Federal government is more powerful than the state governments.

I racked my brains for a comment to this trash about the "non-whites" but I believe just quoting it will be enough to show my disgust!

Oh, and just to eliminate any possible confusion, I'm from Portugal and as white as they come.

I think they would be apalled by the decline in Christian moral values which for so long were embraced by nearly everyone.

Just out of curiousity...
What do you think your countries founders (as in the people who created its current government, not the people who first settled it :P) think about your country as it is today? Pride? Anger? Damn I wish I had been born a hundred years later?

I personaly think that Americans founders would have a heart attack on hearing that we were the new World Power and that Britain was no longer the owner of half the planet. OH, and thats new as well, did you know we have NINE planets now? :p
They'd be appalled by your terrible grammar and spelling.
It's Country's founders.

Mao would froth from his mouth, fall back, and die of a heart attack :D

I guess they'd be proud, extremely proud!

Especially the writers of our constitution would be very glad to see, how well it stood up over time :-)

I think they'd be a bit surprised with the fact that we stopped worshipping Odin and the rest, but really shocked to see that the raping, maiming and pillaging had stopped and that we have had peace for roughly 200 years.

I think they'd be a bit surprised with the fact that we stopped worshipping Odin and the rest, but really shocked to see that the raping, maiming and pillaging had stopped and that we have had peace for roughly 200 years.
Although, perhaps at their age they might just want to stick to maiming and pillaging, eh? ^_^

Hmmm.... Well, this being the US:
First would probably be "Whoops"
Then there would be "That wasn't my fault"
and then they would complain about how divided our country is when we need to be united.

The US Founders would first be amazed that we ever went to war over slavery...because they had a chance to deal with it all when writing the constitution. Next, they would probably be amazed that the constitution ever lasted that long. They'd go into shock about the rise of minorities to power, and the sheer vastness of the US and her strongholds. They'd be darn proud of her military. I'm not so sure about the internal United States. We kind of in shambles at this moment in time, in my opinion only.

They'd probably find it hard to believe that there is a 'United Nations'...and that France has a President. They'd be surprised that Germany ever rose out of the shambles that it was in before Otto Von Bismarck. They would probably think that cars were magic, and that the technology at hand was just simply stunning and so much to handle in one sitting.

I think that the Founding Fathers, especially after the recent SCOTUS decision of de facto abolishment of property rights, would be trying to figure out how to start a new Revolution...a very, very bloody one.

What do you think your countries founders think about your country as it is today?
They'd be rolling over in their grave at the size of the government (back in the Jeffersonian era it was 1 official : 2000 citizens; now it's 1:62), the idiocy of things like PC and AA, as well as Washington going berserk over the amount of "entangling alliances" we're in.

Hmm... well, I guess the founders of Belgium would be surprised to see that Flanders is now more economically succesful than Wallonia, that the the Flemish education is of a higher standard, that it's allowed to speak Dutch in Flemish schools, and that the regional governments of Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels have so much power in comparison to the federal Belgian government. They'd also be surprised to see that the debts of our country are so huge, seeing that Belgium used to be richer than Holland before 1815. But they'd be happy to see that the government budget is now recovering and that Belgium is still doing strong in the World Trade, thanks to the port of Antwerp (though Belgium is no longer has the most modern industry on the European continent, like they used to have in 1839.)

Britain.

Well, it depends which monarch you want to stop at. If it was Charles I - wait, I'll say James I, because he was the first proper Stuart King, he'd probably be wondering whether the country was Catholic or Protestant (and then faint when he discoved that it was 'non-denominational'), then he'd wonder why the Monarchy had so little power (and throw a fit when he found out that it was his son's fault) and the Parliment so little. (comparitivly speaking)

I think they'd be a bit surprised with the fact that we stopped worshipping Odin and the rest, but really shocked to see that the raping, maiming and pillaging had stopped and that we have had peace for roughly 200 years.


They be shocked even more to find out that the only reason you've had peace for two hundred years is because you're collectively afraid to 'pitch in' when needed and not because there wasn't anyone to fight... :rolleyes:


*I'm of Sweedish decent and I'm ashamed for them (the Vikings you were talking about) :p

I guess they'd be proud, extremely proud!

Especially the writers of our constitution would be very glad to see, how well it stood up over time :-)Yeah, it lasted almost a century. That's pretty impressive.

I'm pretty sure Adenauer would forgive the German people for allowing homosexual-tolerant legislation since we managed to re-unite. He'd be a bit shocked by recent developments in the EU, but otherwise overly proud at how far its gotten. I think he might even have wanted to live today, just to see what he'd accomplished.

The Portuguese court of the 16th century? Who cares and it is impossible to guess.

Hmm... well, I guess the founders of Belgium would be surprised to see that Flanders is now more economically succesful than Wallonia, that the the Flemish education is of a higher standard, that it's allowed to speak Dutch in Flemish schools, and that the regional governments of Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels have so much power in comparison to the federal Belgian government. They'd also be surprised to see that the debts of our country are so huge, seeing that Belgium used to be richer than Holland before 1815. But they'd be happy to see that the government budget is now recovering and that Belgium is still doing strong in the World Trade, thanks to the port of Antwerp (though Belgium is no longer has the most modern industry on the European continent, like they used to have in 1839.)

The founders of Belgium (who are, it must be said, a bunch of bourgeois opera-goers who just decided: let's have a riot and kick old Dutch's ass) would first of all be extremely surprised that Belgium is there at all: they intended a transitional state, to merge with France in the foreseeable future... Furthermore they'd also be surprised that there is such a thing as Flanders vs. Wallonia tension today (there was none of it in their day) and, perhaps less importantly, they'd be surprised to see our flag flipped over.

They'd be glad to see the river Scheldt open and the port of Antwerp booming once more, and they'd 'fall over and have a heart attack' to see our friendly relations with Holland these days...

They'd also be proud to see our liberal tradition, unhampered by the everlasting presence of the catholic church, and democratic values upheld...

Zimbabwe

Well if you count from the end of Rhodesia, all the good ones would be furious and all the bad ones are still alive..

If you take it from UDI
Well if you count from the begining of UDI (Unilateral Declaration of Independance - one of only two countries to ever do that to Britain), all the good ones would be furious and all the bad ones are be fuming some racist diatribe..

If you take it from becoming a British colony (1927)
They would be horrified that we are not in the Empire any more, more so that the empire does not exist

If you mean Cecil J Rhodes and the British South Africa Company
He would hate the collapse of business and the rampant homophobia (he was gay apparently), and he would want the name changed back - I beleive he once said "they Jameson, I have secured my place in history... they never change the names of countries" bollocks both of those named after him have changed their names.

America's Founding Fathers would probably be asking how their $20/citizen government evolved into what it is now.
They'll also wonder what a "Federal Reserve Note" is, and then ask us why in the world we let Missouri in.

The Founding Fathers would take one look at how humongous our government is and faint.

Just out of curiousity...
What do you think your countries founders (as in the people who created its current government, not the people who first settled it :P) think about your country as it is today? Pride? Anger? Damn I wish I had been born a hundred years later?

I personaly think that Americans founders would have a heart attack on hearing that we were the new World Power and that Britain was no longer the owner of half the planet. OH, and thats new as well, did you know we have NINE planets now? :p

they'd start a revolution i bet. yopenya was started to be a dictatorship, but things don't go so well when the dictator dies and before he dies tells the people to decide what to do next on their own... atleast we're (mostly) still for the progress of the country rather than being weighted down with unused and in most cases bad rights.

They'd say, "Canada! You so crazzaay!"

And they'd party on Crescent St. all night.

They be shocked even more to find out that the only reason you've had peace for two hundred years is because you're collectively afraid to 'pitch in' when needed and not because there wasn't anyone to fight... :rolleyes:

I don't know why that particular troll of yours failed. Lacks that certain je ne sais quoi. Better luck with the baiting next time!

*I'm of Sweedish decent and I'm ashamed for them (the Vikings you were talking about) :p

Don't be. Your diluted blood would not be in high favour with them, but there's no need to feel shame for that.

1. Great distaste for our federal government becoming so huge and different branches such as FEMA being able to revoke the Constitution. This would probably set them off for another approval for revolution if the people desired it.

2. They would be glad the black/white issue was resolved. They didn't HAVE farm equiment back then.

3. Corruption and attacks on our civil liberties would disqust them the most.

4. They'd be amazed we have become a world power and amazed with our country's contributions in science and inventions.

5. Be probably grateful the republic is still somewhat intact.

(America) They would have been most pleased with the government they created until like the late 1950s and they grew more displeased (save the Civil Rights movement) and died again in 2000 out of disbelief.

Washington would probably be amazed by how far dentistry has come.

Canada's founders would be very surprised that the country still exists.

May I say: excellent question!
My country is Germany, so there's a whole set of possible founders, but I'll just go with two of them:
Bismarck: He would be happy with the way the country turned out domestically, although he'd be very shocked indeed that there are no more aristocrats, that the Emperor no longer exists (he'd probably cry) and that his house and extended garden is now a popular place for people to walk their dogs (I certainly like the place though). He'd be happy that there are statues of him still.
He'd be very angry that WW1 happened, cuz all his work was about preventing that one. I honestly have no idea what he would think of Hitler and WW2. He'd probably have trouble comprehending it all.
But he would like the idea of the EU. That kind of thing always seemed in the back of his brain somehow, with the balance of power and the good communications and all.
Then he'd start campaigning for Chancellor, you can be sure of that. I'd vote for him.

Adenauer: He probably wouldn't mind. He'd be surprised the Soviets are gone, but he would be ecstatic that the French are good friends of ours and that Germany is no longer an outcast on the world stage. He probably would be astounded as well that the Americans are attacking countries on sight now, although he'd probably support it cuz he'd think that if he didn't, Germany would eventually start a war again. He kinda thought the relationship with the US was the guarantee.

US Founders:

"Israel? Iraq, Iran, Lebanon? Palestine? Germany? Former U.S.S.R!? Im so confused!"

What would the founders of the current German nation (after '45) think of the country?
Ask Eutrusca. ;)

Just out of curiousity...
What do you think your countries founders (as in the people who created its current government, not the people who first settled it :P) think about your country as it is today? Pride? Anger? Damn I wish I had been born a hundred years later?

I personaly think that Americans founders would have a heart attack on hearing that we were the new World Power and that Britain was no longer the owner of half the planet. OH, and thats new as well, did you know we have NINE planets now? :p

I am sure the founding fathers would be pleased that the current president hadnt evolved fully yet

Mao would froth from his mouth, fall back, and die of a heart attack :D
Isn't the founder of China Emperor Qin, irrespective of any revolutionaries? I think that he'd be honestly surprised that the empire he managed to sew together is still there, and as a much more powerful and prosperous one. It'd be much like if the empire of Rome would still be there.

And who is the founder of Hong Kong?

This is all academic anyway, Thomas Paine (a founding father) once said: -

"The circumstances of the world are continually changing, and the opinions of men change also; and as government is for the living, and not for the dead, it is the living only that has any right in it. That which may be thought right and found convenient in one age, may be thought wrong and found inconvenient in another. In such cases, who is to decide, the living, or the dead?"

So i think that explains it quite well.....

Though i expect some would be unable to comprehend how this world works, that you can go from Washington (though MR 1st President would be flattered by that beutiful city named after him) to Moscow in 12 hours, though politically i suspect that the idea of universal democracy and unrestrictive franchise would be horrifying to them - Maddison echoed de Toquevilles view point in "the federalist" of the "Tyranny of the Majority". And the formation of political parties, whom Jefferson refered to with scorn as "Factions" would annoy them as well.

They'd be rolling over in their grave at the size of the government (back in the Jeffersonian era it was 1 official : 2000 citizens; now it's 1:62), the idiocy of things like PC and AA, as well as Washington going berserk over the amount of "entangling alliances" we're in.
It's all about how you measure isn't it? That would seem pretty impressive, but if instead we measure how much horsepower (or kilowatts if you prefer) we have per civil servant I think we'd find quite a different trend.

I don't know why that particular troll of yours failed. Lacks that certain je ne sais quoi. Better luck with the baiting next time!

Nah, it wasn't 'baiting' it was a comment on two hundred years of no wars, what a narrow view of history ~ And the Vikings founders would have been surprised that they didn't help-out... Of course they would have gotten creamed, by practically anyone on any side of the many wars over there in their neighborhood during the last two hundred years, but that's besides the point. :p


Don't be. Your diluted blood would not be in high favour with them, but there's no need to feel shame for that. Diluted blood? OMGosh, I better run off to the local blood bank and buy some more Swedish blood eh? *Transfusion progressing* *getting sudden urge to go shopping at IKEA*

:p :D

(Sweden)

I think Gustav Wasa, our "country father", would be very happy with the separation between church and state(he was doing it in the 16th century!) On the other hand, he'd hate how weak our goverment is. And like any other person from that time, he'd laugh at our pitiful law enforcement.

(Sweden)

I think Gustav Wasa, our "country father", would be very happy with the separation between church and state(he was doing it in the 16th century!) On the other hand, he'd hate how weak our goverment is. And like any other person from that time, he'd laugh at our pitiful law enforcement.

and your cricket team...

Isn't the founder of China Emperor Qin, irrespective of any revolutionaries? I think that he'd be honestly surprised that the empire he managed to sew together is still there, and as a much more powerful and prosperous one. It'd be much like if the empire of Rome would still be there.

And who is the founder of Hong Kong?

Well, the topic line did say "country" - as in political system.

I honestly think the Qin Emperor would have done the same thing as Mao as he finds out that the Qin Dynasty had ended only several years after him and everybody today mostly hates him more than likes him.

The founder of Hong Kong...you mean the British colonisers? I think they'd be surprised and happy that what they built today had lasted and developed so nicely, though they would hardly believe that Hong Kong's size has increased by several hundred percents and that we're part of an officially Communist China. I bet they believed a permanent cession.

John A. MacDonald, first Primeminister of Canda, would say *hic* pass the Canadian Club *hic*, then down the entire bottle. He'd be to pissed to care.

Laurier would be horrified to see his likeness on th $5 bill turned into a picture of a horrible actor famous for playing a boring character on a godawful TV show by bored art college students and geeks across the nation (Oh, come on, you've never seen a "Spocked" $5 bill before?)


Tupper would be pretty pissed, seeing as how some nut job blew his brains out.

and your cricket team...

We have one? :eek:

i guess Englands founding fathers would be annoyed that the Empire was lost, and that Britain is part of the European Union. They most certainly would be shocked at Catholics allowed in Parliament and the amount of atheism. Though some other founding fathers, such as the old kings would be annoyed, and Oliver Cromwell would be annoyed that the Irish are still alive and independent! Others would me mortified by democracy so to be honest im not concerned what the majoritant of our founding father think, i disagree with their ethics in a lot of things....

Why is it so dark in here? ;)

He'd probably be surprised that it's still one country, after all the sons he begot.

Canada's founders would be very surprised that the country still exists.
I think they would be amazed about how well we are doing economically and that the U.S.hasn't invaded us yet. ;)

Oh, and just to eliminate any possible confusion, I'm from Portugal and as white as they come.
really? Most portuguese are darker than regular white, what part of portugal?