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You're wrong.

I stopped wearing Nikes over a decade ago when they moved a lot of their production to Viet Nam. (I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country, so I also don't buy much at Wal Mart...)

Anyway: buy New Balance (made in Massachussettes!)

http://www.voodoovenue.com/images/salad.jpg

Brian Baker's (right of picture) shoes...

...anyhow, yes, Nike are pure evil. This is hardly news.

I'm an Adidas (and Roots) devotee.

I stopped wearing Nikes over a decade ago when they moved a lot of their production to Viet Nam. (I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country, so I also don't buy much at Wal Mart...)

Anyway: buy New Balance (made in Massachussettes!)

New Balance shoes rock.

I stopped wearing Nikes over a decade ago when they moved a lot of their production to Viet Nam. (I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country, so I also don't buy much at Wal Mart...)

Vietnam isn't communist. They have sweatshops, don't they, which contradict some huge socialist ideals.

Vietnam isn't communist. They have sweatshops, don't they, which contradict some huge socialist ideals.

So they're self contradictory communists.

Nothing new there...

Vietnam isn't communist. They have sweatshops, don't they, which contradict some huge socialist ideals.

HUH? Ok only their government and prime minister are. Or he was when he touched down in Canada this morning. Are you for real?

Vietnam isn't communist. They have sweatshops, don't they, which contradict some huge socialist ideals.

:confused: Where did you get that idea?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html#Govt

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So they're self contradictory communists.

Nothing new there...

There's another kind??? :D

:confused: Where did you get that idea?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html#Govt

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No, no, no, that will not work. People like this have to get it straight from the perpetrators mouth before they belive anything. Anyone elses word doesn't mean a thing.

http://www.cpv.org.vn/index_e.html

I <3 GENERIC brands from RANDOM non-chain stores

:confused: Where did you get that idea?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html#Govt

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If I say I am a vegetarian, but I continue to eat meat, am I a vegetarian?

Furthermore, I am a cabbage.

Vietnam is no more communist than China is. To imply otherwise is to display gross ignorance of elementary political-economic theory. I suggest you read up on what communism actually means.

Vietnam is no more communist than China is. To imply otherwise is to display gross ignorance of elementary political-economic theory. I suggest you read up on what communism actually means.

Yes yes, we all know this line. They're not TRUE COMMUNISTS.

So I looked it up on the dictionary.

adj.

1. often communist Relating to, characteristic of, or held to resemble communism or Communists.
2. communist Supporting, advocating, or serving to further communism: communist propaganda.


Key portion is in bold.

They're communists. Quit it with the No-True-Scotsman fallacy already!

Vietnam is no more communist than China is. To imply otherwise is to display gross ignorance of elementary political-economic theory. I suggest you read up on what communism actually means.

I second this. I reccomend you pick up a copy of whatever the standard Ideaology texbook is for Politics classes near you and read it ALL.

Key portion is in bold.


So? 'relating to' and 'characteristic of' don't apply here, if you know what you're talking about. And 'held to be' only means you can call it communist if you're ignorant.

Key portion is in bold.

They're communists. Quit it with the No-True-Scotsman fallacy already!
Today 10:20 PM

Now try to understand the difference between claim and fact.

To demonstrate.

I am a homeless Black guy in Thailand. That is my claim.

Do you believe me? No you don't. And you'd be rght, self evidently I am not a homeless black guy in Thailand. I'm a 17-year-old white geek in Leicester writing this from my bedroom.

Now try to understand the difference between claim and fact.

To demonstrate.

I am a homeless Black guy in Thailand. That is my claim.

Do you believe me? No you don't. And you'd be rght, self evidently I am not a homeless black guy in Thailand. I'm a 17-year-old white geek in Leicester writing this from my bedroom.

Are you saying I'm not a cabbage?

Now try to understand the difference between claim and fact.

To demonstrate.

I am a homeless Black guy in Thailand. That is my claim.

Do you believe me? No you don't. And you'd be rght, self evidently I am not a homeless black guy in Thailand. I'm a 17-year-old white geek in Leicester writing this from my bedroom.

Thanks for making me laugh.

Now try to understand the difference between claim and fact.

To demonstrate.

I am a homeless Black guy in Thailand. That is my claim.

Do you believe me? No you don't. And you'd be rght, self evidently I am not a homeless black guy in Thailand. I'm a 17-year-old white geek in Leicester writing this from my bedroom.

Your claim as an individual person speaking to another person is somewhat different from the claim of the Chinese Communist Party, their nation-state and government, and pretty much most things in real politics. We treat China like communists, and the US as if it were democratic, because whereas the fate of the world doesn't depend on the relations between you and I, it does between those of China and the US.

And whereas the conditions of being homeless, black, male, and situated in Thailand are all falsifiable facts (or not), the condition of "being Communist" is far more subjective. Therefore I used a dictionary definition which fits China to Communism because I didn't feel like getting into a ten page argument about the "true" nature of some things. I hate that. Then we might as well have arguments about who is "truly American" and who isn't (and therefore a leftist/antiamerican/hippie/terrorist) etc etc. Those are equally ridiculous.

I stopped wearing Nikes over a decade ago when they moved a lot of their production to Viet Nam. (I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country, so I also don't buy much at Wal Mart...)

Anyway: buy New Balance (made in Massachussettes!)

Fuck, I just bought New Balance. If I had known that I would have bought the more expensive Nikes!

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/05-06/23.shtml
You're wrong.

Looks to me like parody. Sorta like how energizer 'stole' the bunny.

Zat iz vhy zee Germans hav invented adidas ///

If I say I am a vegetarian, but I continue to eat meat, am I a vegetarian?

Furthermore, I am a cabbage.

Yep. The same way that although I'm a 32 year old male but I'm a lesbian. ;)

You sir, are a jelly donut. :D

Looks to me like parody. Sorta like how energizer 'stole' the bunny.

A parody of Minor Threat?

I personaly prefer Timberlands. They tend to be a bit expensive, but they last forever. Plus theyre practically everything-proof. Somebody once dropped a 30 pound dumbell on my foot and I hardly felt it...well, I did feel it, but I only had a slight bruise as opposed to a broken foot :P
I buy Nike shoes when I need sneakers or something becuase I refuse to buy ANYTHING from Sketchers because of their damn commercials, and because theyre basicaly the only brand that doesnt print a huge logo on the sides of their shoes.
Free advertising is not my thing. If a company were to PAY me to wear shoes with a giant logo on them, that would be a differnt matter. Free money is something I like.

As to Vietnam being Communist...they are. Theyre just not Marxist. Communism is rather like Capitolism in that respect. Theres LOTS of kinds of Communism, theres Stalinism, Leninism, Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism, and the North Korean style 'Dynastic Communism'.
That is all :P

http://www.nike.com/nikeskateboarding/v2/letter/index.html

http://www.nike.com/nikeskateboarding/v2/letter/letter.gif

Pwned.

I stopped wearing Nikes over a decade ago when they moved a lot of their production to Viet Nam. (I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country, so I also don't buy much at Wal Mart...)

Anyway: buy New Balance (made in Massachussettes!)

Yay New Balance! Made in Boston, Massachusetts. I have a pair of New Balance cross trainers.

Oh noes.

My... my ideals ;___;

Oh, wait. I'm adult enough to make decisions of purchases based on my own opinions and, amazingly (It seems I am almost unique in this) the products in question, not on a commercial which uses an old album cover.

Could be irony, too.

Yay New Balance! Made in Boston, Massachusetts. I have a pair of New Balance cross trainers.


I have a pair of New Balance #608, but the label says they are made in China.

I'm due for a new pair and will look for New Balance made in the US.

I will always buy American, if its possible.

Yes yes, we all know this line. They're not TRUE COMMUNISTS.

So I looked it up on the dictionary.

adj.

1. often communist Relating to, characteristic of, or held to resemble communism or Communists.
2. communist Supporting, advocating, or serving to further communism: communist propaganda.

Key portion is in bold.

They're communists. Quit it with the No-True-Scotsman fallacy already!

Does the phrase circular logic mean anything to you?

If you define something by using the word you're asked to define then your definition is meaningless. Dictionaries do it to save space, but the assumption is that you have the brains too look up the term that they give you in the definition.

In other words:
If you define sandy as "containing, resembling, or bearing sand," and then you define sand as "the substance that suffuses, is resembled by, or borne by sandy objects" your definitions haven't actually helped anyone understand what sand is.

Your definition of communism suffers the same fallacy. You define communist as resembling communism and leave the implications that:
a) that is in itself a satisfactory definition without a definition of the word communism.
b) a suitable definition of communism would be "befitting those things which are communist."

Talk about fallacious reasoning.

I have a pair of New Balance #608, but the label says they are made in China.

I'm due for a new pair and will look for New Balance made in the US.

I will always buy American, if its possible.

It generally isn't. Even the anti-sweatshop activists say that the best you can do at this point it to probably tear the labels of your clothing if it is made by a company that uses sweatshop labor.

I've been doing that for years, but only because I indulge in a bizzare sort of reverse vanity where I feel ashamed if I'm seen wearing designer labels.

Now try to understand the difference between claim and fact.

To demonstrate.

I am a homeless Black guy in Thailand. That is my claim.

Do you believe me? No you don't. And you'd be rght, self evidently I am not a homeless black guy in Thailand. I'm a 17-year-old white geek in Leicester writing this from my bedroom.

Are you claiming that homeless people tend not to have access to the internet? Yeah, right. Then why would Bush be pushing an employment plan in which jobs suitable for the homeless are advertised online?

It generally isn't. Even the anti-sweatshop activists say that the best you can do at this point it to probably tear the labels of your clothing if it is made by a company that uses sweatshop labor.

I've been doing that for years, but only because I indulge in a bizzare sort of reverse vanity where I feel ashamed if I'm seen wearing designer labels.

Go read Bill Gibson's "Pattern Recognition". :)

I tend to wear Vans or Chuck Taylors if I wear shoes at all ... which is rare ... so ... shrug. As for the Minor Threat ripoff ... feh. I couldn't possibly care less. There hasn't been an "alternative skate culture" in the US since the mid-90s - right about the time all those Tony Hawk Proskater games started coming out.

...I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country...

Anyway: buy New Balance (made in Massachussettes!)

Am I the only person who found this really ironic?

Am I the only person who found this really ironic?
Yeah, maybe.

What is ironic about it?

:confused:

Markreich, how do you avoid Chinese-made stuff? Everything seems to be made in China these days.

I'm an Adidas (and Roots) devotee.
They're just as bad!

Yeah, maybe.

What is ironic about it?

I imagine he's one of those ultra-Republicans who thinks of MA as communist!

Fuck Nike.

I'm sure the Nike-wearing skateboarders are all huge fans of Minor Threat :rolleyes:

Am I the only person who found this really ironic?

Yes. You are the only one here infantile enough to claim that Massachusetts is a communist country.

Fuck Nike.

I'm sure the Nike-wearing skateboarders are all huge fans of Minor Threat :rolleyes:

Look at it this way: All morons are Minor Threat fans :p.

I like Nike's. Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter are paid to wear Nike's on TV, and they play for my favorite basketball team. I don't like Massachusetts. The glory hogs, the Red Sox and Patriots are from there, not to mention John Kerry. Remember free speech? I think Nike is allowed to do this. The resemblance isn't uncanny enough. It would have to be red, blue is not the exact opposite of red but it's close. Anyway, LeBron James also endorses Nike. The only people I see endorsing New Balance are those geeky model kids in the commercials about "this is what blocking until the whistle looks like."

The glory hogs, the Red Sox and Patriots are from there

Glory hogs?!? The Red Sox hadn't won the World Series since 1918!

Look at it this way: All morons are Minor Threat fans :p.

Oooh. Flame much? You still bearing a grudge because you think one of your idols was snubbed?

I like Nike's. Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter are paid to wear Nike's on TV, and they play for my favorite basketball team. Anyway, LeBron James also endorses Nike.
They pay people you like to watch play a sport to wear thier shoes so anything else they do is okay? Money well spent on Nike's part. A little disapointing that that would be your only consideration when buying a $100+ shoe.


Remember free speech? I think Nike is allowed to do this. The resemblance isn't uncanny enough. It would have to be red, blue is not the exact opposite of red but it's close.
Sure, I remember free speech. The freedom to speak your mind-not neccisarily to speak other peoples minds for them, like appropriating thier image to imply endorsement. Remember 'intellectual property' and the use of iconic images? Do this mental exercise: Try and think how long it would have taken Nike to shut down Dischord if they had used an iconic Nike image to sell records. If this is difficult for you, google 'Too Much Coffee Man' and Starbucks...Changing the color and one word of an iconic image does not mean that it is not borrowing on that iconic image to imply endorsement. Even Nike agrees, page back to Nike's appology posted by I think Bodies Without Organs.
I don't like Massachusetts. The glory hogs, the Red Sox and Patriots are from there, not to mention John Kerry. The only people I see endorsing New Balance are those geeky model kids in the commercials about "this is what blocking until the whistle looks like."
Good thing that there are more than two options for your footwear needs. Though I don't know what a geographic similarity has to do with the quality of a shoe or its company, but if you're deciding to wear shoes based on who the company can pay to wear them, well...

Original post edited so that the ideas are placed together rather than stream of conscious...

It would have to be red, blue is not the exact opposite of red but it's close.

Here you go: one of the later repressings of the LP...

http://www.dischord.com/images/040.jpg

That noise was the sound of your ludicrous argument being blown out of the water, by the way.

i am not buying anything that is american so.....usa-boycot them!.i have a localy made cheap but high qualoty shoes-simovic.

Yay New Balance! Made in Boston, Massachusetts. I have a pair of New Balance cross trainers.

Yah. New Balance pwns. Too bad I'm such a poser that I make myself where Converse... they hurt like a bitch.

I like Nike's. Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter are paid to wear Nike's on TV, and they play for my favorite basketball team. I don't like Massachusetts. The glory hogs, the Red Sox and Patriots are from there, not to mention John Kerry. Remember free speech? I think Nike is allowed to do this. The resemblance isn't uncanny enough. It would have to be red, blue is not the exact opposite of red but it's close. Anyway, LeBron James also endorses Nike. The only people I see endorsing New Balance are those geeky model kids in the commercials about "this is what blocking until the whistle looks like."

*blink* You can't be serious. I'm just posting your comment in its original form so you can look at how stupid you sound. And hopefully that will suffice for an argument, because I'm too lazy to attempt to bestow common sense unto you.

Yah. New Balance pwns. Too bad I'm such a poser that I make myself where Converse... they hurt like a bitch.

Converse were a respectable brand... up until they got bought by Nike a few years back. The quality control went south after that. Fuck 'em. They were once iconic pieces of footwear, now they are just mass-produced trash with profits put ahead of quality and other more humanist concerns.

Look at it this way: All morons are Minor Threat fans :p.

I like Minor Threat...

I used to wear convers, 'till they got baught by Nike. Quality went down, price went up. And those things used to last, they were tough, comfortable little canvas shoes.

Now I wear Black Spots, which are expencive (because they are non-sweatshop) and fall apart almost as fast as a Nike (which means doesn't take very long), and look stupid. I only wear them because they are the only things I know were not made in sweatshops.

I try to avoid brands and stuff made in sweatshops/at the expence of other people. Makes it kinda hards.

I am a huge fan of small, local business, and no-name non-chain stores.

I hate Nike with a passion, as well as most big brands because of the horrible human rights abuses.

I won't buy anything that comes out of China, and I try to avoid using produces someone died for/was exploited for, which makes life really fucking hard.

I used to wear convers, 'till they got baught by Nike. Quality went down, price went up. And those things used to last, they were tough, comfortable little canvas shoes.

Now I wear Black Spots, which are expencive (because they are non-sweatshop) and fall apart almost as fast as a Nike (which means doesn't take very long), and look stupid. I only wear them because they are the only things I know were not made in sweatshops.

I try to avoid brands and stuff made in sweatshops/at the expence of other people. Makes it kinda hards.

I am a huge fan of small, local business, and no-name non-chain stores.

I hate Nike with a passion, as well as most big brands because of the horrible human rights abuses.

I won't buy anything that comes out of China, and I try to avoid using produces someone died for/was exploited for, which makes life really fucking hard.

I like you.

thank you, I probably like you too http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

wow, I somehow fucked up a smily.

Let's try again: :D

I like you.
thank you, I probably like you too

I believe the phrase 'get a room' is mandatory at this point.

I stopped wearing Nikes over a decade ago when they moved a lot of their production to Viet Nam. (I refuse to buy anything from a Communist country, so I also don't buy much at Wal Mart...)

Anyway: buy New Balance (made in Massachussettes!)
i LOVE new balance! i accidentally lit my new ones on fire last weekend at a party tho...

They pay people you like to watch play a sport to wear thier shoes so anything else they do is okay? Money well spent on Nike's part. A little disapointing that that would be your only consideration when buying a $100+ shoe.

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Sure, I remember free speech. The freedom to speak your mind-not neccisarily to speak other peoples minds for them, like appropriating thier image to imply endorsement. Remember 'intellectual property' and the use of iconic images? Do this mental exercise: Try and think how long it would have taken Nike to shut down Dischord if they had used an iconic Nike image to sell records. If this is difficult for you, google 'Too Much Coffee Man' and Starbucks...Changing the color and one word of an iconic image does not mean that it is not borrowing on that iconic image to imply endorsement. Even Nike agrees, page back to Nike's appology posted by I think Bodies Without Organs.

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Good thing that there are more than two options for your footwear needs. Though I don't know what a geographic similarity has to do with the quality of a shoe or its company, but if you're deciding to wear shoes based on who the company can pay to wear them, well...

Original post edited so that the ideas are placed together rather than stream of conscious...


What can I say, I'm a real person. Nike marketed to me when they signed on Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson. New Balance never did that. It was a poor business decision on their part. Not only that, but I now learn that they're from Massachusetts, not my favorite state of the union. I guess not as bad as California, but almost. And besides, it's hard to avoid products made in California(much like China). Not so with Massachusetts. I see, Bodies without Organs, that's a closer picture. Not as deep a blue, but now the resemblance is uncanny enough.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm not going to boycott a pair of shoes for being made cheaply in Indonesia, for being highly overcommercialized, or because there's another alternative made in Massachusetts. I like them. I like the logo too. So simple, it's a wonder they were first to think of it. It's funny I say this when I'm wearing Reebok's right now. Iverson's. I don't even like Allen Iverson but they were such a deal, and they looked really cool. Totally black with silver eyelets. Crazy.

I like the logo too. So simple, it's a wonder they were first to think of it.

Question: how much did they originally pay the designer of the logo?

Answer: $35

Markreich, how do you avoid Chinese-made stuff? Everything seems to be made in China these days.


It's not easy. I also won't buy anything from Viet Nam, Cuba (almost impossible to find, barring cigars), Laos (rare to find) or Korea (South Korea is ok. Just Korea is a no-go).

* Whenever I can, I buy online. Most sites (esp. Amazon) will tell you the origin of manufacture.

* In stores, I always check the label and then look around to see if I can find the good made anywhere else.
For example, the last thing I bought was a new steam iron. Everything at the "Bed Bath & Beyond" was made in China, except for the Brauns, which were made in Spain. I bought one.

I also shun Wal Mart on principle - they squeeze prices to the point that they've driven manufacturers TO China. :mad:

Read this, if you're interested: http://www.rense.com/general45/manuf.htm

I imagine he's one of those ultra-Republicans who thinks of MA as communist!

:confused: I'm saying to BUY New Balance, as they're made in the USA, vs Nike, which are made in Viet Nam.

Am I the only person who found this really ironic?

What's ironic about it? That I refuse to spend my money to fund a government that I disagree with?

What's ironic about it? That I refuse to spend my money to fund a government that I disagree with?

He was trying to say that Massachusetts is comparable to Vietnam.

That's absolutely disgusting of them! If dischord wants to start collecting funds to get better lawyers to fight this shit, I'll throw in some cash... and I'm broke.

I only wore nike for a brief time from grades 9-10 when I actually gave a damn what my classmates thought of me. I only wear those old shoes when I know they're going to get dirty and/or ruined and I don't want to wreck my good shoes.

He was trying to say that Massachusetts is comparable to Vietnam.

Ah. Oy vey.

Ah. Oy vey.

Yeah. I saw a Viet Cong battalion down by Harvard Square just the other day, let me tell you. Charlie has this state locked up.

For the record, these are the shoes I wear.
http://www.florsheim.com/flstore/style.do?cID=10544

Yeah. I saw a Viet Cong battalion down by Harvard Square just the other day, let me tell you. Charlie has this state locked up.

For the record, these are the shoes I wear.
http://www.florsheim.com/flstore/style.do?cID=10544

Charlie don't surf. :D
Er... wait... People's Republic of Massachusettes... Charlie don't watch the Pats? ;)

Watch out for Commisar Kennedy...

Yah. New Balance pwns. Too bad I'm such a poser that I make myself where Converse... they hurt like a bitch.
Nike bought converse recently, it's why you don't have to hunt them down anymore.

That, combined with the fact that their shoes are too narrow for my feet (which are generally pretty narrow for average shoes) is why I don't wear those anymore.

Nike bought converse recently, it's why you don't have to hunt them down anymore.

That, combined with the fact that their shoes are too narrow for my feet (which are generally pretty narrow for average shoes) is why I don't wear those anymore.

And the fact that it's damn near impossible to walk in them... God, I hated those shoes... Kept tripping over almost everything...

Since everyone seems to be posting their shoes, I might as well, since I'm bored... :p

http://www.etnies.com/footwear/mens/callicut/black-white/

Yeah. I saw a Viet Cong battalion down by Harvard Square just the other day, let me tell you. Charlie has this state locked up.

For the record, these are the shoes I wear.
http://www.florsheim.com/flstore/style.do?cID=10544

I was flying over Massachusetts on my way back home, and they were parading the huge commie flag(Chinese I think...all red, but I was so high up I couldn't tell whether it was a star or a hammer-sickle) over Harvard Square. Simply rediculous.

Anyway, those kicks are tight, homey.

What can I say, I'm a real person.
I would hate to think that 'easily swayed by marketing' would be the qualifier for 'real person.'
Nike marketed to me when they signed on Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson. New Balance never did that. It was a poor business decision on their part.
Probably has more to do with Nike's deep pockets from charging you $100 for a shoe they paid someone $.50 to make. If New Balance could have afforded it, I'm sure they would have.
Not only that, but I now learn that they're from Massachusetts, not my favorite state of the union. I guess not as bad as California, but almost. And besides, it's hard to avoid products made in California(much like China). Not so with Massachusetts.
You'll avoid shoes built in states you don't like but buy shoes made in countries that in some cases have the actual policies that you'd pretend Cali or Mass has?

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I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm not going to boycott a pair of shoes for being made cheaply in Indonesia, for being highly overcommercialized, or because there's another alternative made in Massachusetts.
It seems that you have a preference for products that are a product of exploitation. Speaks legions.
I like them. I like the logo too. So simple, it's a wonder they were first to think of it. It's funny I say this when I'm wearing Reebok's right now. Iverson's. I don't even like Allen Iverson but they were such a deal, and they looked really cool. Totally black with silver eyelets. Crazy.
We get the culture we pay for. The vote you make with your dollar is often more important in todays world than the vote you make with the ballot. Something to keep in mind when excusing a corperation because they have a cool logo.

dude, how can you boycott Cal and Mass, but not China? Cal and Mass don't gun people down, or keep political prisioners, or force people to work long hours in dangerous facteries for starvation wages. China is why worse, why not boycott them instead?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html#Govt
I dont trust that source...they have more bias than FOX/AP/CNN enuff said.

NIKE? yes I wear it.
also wear Avia, Adidas, depends on the model. it has to be comfortable and durable...and look good.

shop at WalMart? yes why not.

I dont trust that source...they have more bias than FOX/AP/CNN enuff said.

NIKE? yes I wear it.
also wear Avia, Adidas, depends on the model. it has to be comfortable and durable...and look good.

shop at WalMart? yes why not.

Yep. It's so biased that the UN encourages using it, as well as other sites (like Nationmater) that use it.
http://www.uneca.org/itca/governance/Judiciary.htm
"NationMaster is a vast compilation of data from such sources as the CIA World Factbook, United Nations, World Health Organization, World Bank, World Resources Institute, UNESCO, UNICEF and OECD. Using the form above, you can generate maps and graphs on all kinds of statistics with ease. "

*sigh* Then put up evidence to the contrary, or accept that they are Communist. :rolleyes:

So... how about the UN? I assume that it is unbiased enough for you?
http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/UNTC/UNPAN019082.pdf
"That also happened in the countries where the communist
party kept control, such as in China and Vietnam" - page 6.

Why not shop at Wal Mart?!?
Easy: 70% of all goods at Wal Mart are from China. You're giving money to a firm that lowers prices by forcing manufacturers to ship production to China. So you're supporting the unemployment of your own countrymen, and possibly yourself.
Further, China has the second largest national economy on Earth, yet didn't lift a finger to help during the Tsunami, is persecuting the Falung Gong and every other Church, and shoots it's own folks (ie: Tiennamen Square).

*sigh* Then put up evidence to the contrary, or accept that they are Communist. :rolleyes:.
the CIA "factbook" has too much bias.

Its like someone says that FOX or Al-Jazeera have bias...still 90% of theirs subjects could be true.

like reporting the weather...they have no interest whatsoever to give you the wrong temperature.

is Vietnam communist? probably... I don't know. I don't mind either way.

Am I going to trust the CIA factbook?
Lets just say I will crosschek their info with other sources...if the subject is of interest.
I don't trust the CIA...sue me.

I haven't trusted Nike since I heard they hired a guy to kill people to promote their products.

the CIA "factbook" has too much bias.

Its like someone says that FOX or Al-Jazeera have bias...still 90% of theirs subjects could be true.

like reporting the weather...they have no interest whatsoever to give you the wrong temperature.

is Vietnam communist? probably... I don't know. I don't mind either way.

Am I going to trust the CIA factbook?
Lets just say I will crosschek their info with other sources...if the subject is of interest.
I don't trust the CIA...sue me.

So... if the weather is rain, and you don't like getting wet, you get upset at the weatherman???

Look... if it WAS biased:
1) Don't you think over the past DECADE it'd have been challenged/condemned? :rolleyes:
2) That it wouldn't be used as a primary source, especially by groups not particularly friendly to the US? (Read: the UN).

Suing you isn't the idea. And I'm all for crosschecking data. But to rule out a very good source out of hand without even substantiating your point with a link is very limp wristed. :p

I personally wouldn't trust the CIA factbook entirely, but concider it a somewhat reliable source, but that is not the issue. The issue is difference in how people define/think of the word.

To me, countries like Viet Nam and China are communist the same way China and Iraq under Saddam are democracies.

So... if the weather is rain, and you don't like getting wet, you get upset at the weatherman???

Look... if it WAS biased:
1) Don't you think over the past DECADE it'd have been challenged/condemned?
the CIA is biased...Get Over it.