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I have heard rumors that Disney has gotten rid of "gay day". I find it rather offensive that Disney had gay day when it is a theme park for children, for one thing, but then they didn't have a straight day! That is discriminating the straight! What about straight pride? We want a straight day!

The same thing applies to colleges. They have scholarships for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans but none Caucasions (honkies). Now, I can agree with giving scholarships to people who have low income and their parents do, too, but not to people because of race! If you give scholarships for race then ANY race you live out is being discriminated on, is it not? So why in the world should someone get a scholarship for their skin color? I thought we already got rid of all of this discrimination.


Oh, and I can call you white people honkies because I am one, too. :)

I'm glad to see Disney has done away with "Gay Day." Like the rest of us, they can go on any "regular day."

As for your scholarship problem, I might be able to help you. If you are a Catholic of Irish decent, you might check with the Ancient Order of Hibernians. If you are of any race and interested in a career in Aviation you might check with Aviation Electronics Association. If you are not Irish-Catholic or interested in Aviation but just a plain old Honkey, you might check with the KKK I’m sure they would have a scholarship for people like you. :eek:

I'm glad to see Disney has done away with "Gay Day." Like the rest of us, they can go on any "regular day."

As for your scholarship problem, I might be able to help you. If you are a Catholic of Irish decent, you might check with the Ancient Order of Hibernians. If you are of any race and interested in a career in Aviation you might check with Aviation Electronics Association. If you are not Irish-Catholic or interested in Aviation but just a plain old Honkey, you might check with the KKK I’m sure they would have a scholarship for people like you. :eek:


But thats not the point. They are giving scholarships just based on RACE and not on income. Anyone who is Native American can get a scholarship even if they made 1 million a year! Don't you see my point?

I have heard rumors that Disney has gotten rid of "gay day". I find it rather offensive that Disney had gay day when it is a theme park for children, for one thing, but then they didn't have a straight day! That is discriminating the straight! What about straight pride? We want a straight day!



Then certain people will bitch about gay PDA's in front of their kids.
At least with gay day, only the homo's and homo tolerant folk have to see it.
If they didn't have gay day, you'd whine about homo's flaunting their perversion in front of your kids.

But thats not the point. They are giving scholarships just based on RACE and not on income. Anyone who is Native American can get a scholarship even if they made 1 million a year! Don't you see my point?

No. Their money. They can give it to anyone they want. So, if you are a rich white honkey, try the KKK. They might have a scholarship just for you.

Then certain people will bitch about gay PDA's in front of their kids.
At least with gay day, only the homo's and homo tolerant folk have to see it.
If they didn't have gay day, you'd whine about homo's flaunting their perversion in front of your kids.

Unfortunately, at least one year Disney did not announce it was gay day. So there were families at Disney who did not know it was Gay Day and were very displeased.

Then certain people will bitch about gay PDA's in front of their kids.
At least with gay day, only the homo's and homo tolerant folk have to see it.
If they didn't have gay day, you'd whine about homo's flaunting their perversion in front of your kids.

I hope the rumor isn't true.

I've been thinking Disney would be even better with less kids.

(Not that gays and lesbians don't have children nor that there are not gay and lesbian children.)

Then certain people will bitch about gay PDA's in front of their kids.
At least with gay day, only the homo's and homo tolerant folk have to see it.
If they didn't have gay day, you'd whine about homo's flaunting their perversion in front of your kids.

I mean, think of the CHILDREN!

I think a straight pride day is a pretty bad idea. I've never been ashamed of being straight and I see no reason to believe you are. Gay pride days have the purpose of helping a minority cope with intense intolerance of general society. The fact that gays can face serious problems if they come out justifies gay pride. There's no reason for anyone to put on a straight pride parade. It would be like having a commemorational day for Nazis in response to a Holocaust memorial.

No. Their money. They can give it to anyone they want. So, if you are a rich white honkey, try the KKK. They might have a scholarship just for you.


No, you missed my point again. I am a honky, but I am not rich. Anyone with a larger income than I who is of a different race gets a scholarship because they are a minority. But to eliminate discrimination, you must only go on INCOME! I am being discriminated against and I am speaking out!

But wait, since I am white I am a racist. I see how the world works now...

No, you missed my point again. I am a honky, but I am not rich. Anyone with a larger income than I who is of a different race gets a scholarship because they are a minority. But to eliminate discrimination, you must only go on INCOME! I am being discriminated against and I am speaking out!

But wait, since I am white I am a racist. I see how the world works now...

Actually most scholarships are based on the abilities of the person getting them. You usually have to accomplish something to get the scholarship, like applying. Those scholarships were originally made to combat the severe racism in American schooling so you have the white man to blame for it.

Positive discrimination/affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. We would do better to improve the educational opportunities of minority groups so they can compete in the job market on a level playing field, rather than giving people in minority groups what may amount to preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates.

No, you missed my point again. I am a honky, but I am not rich. Anyone with a larger income than I who is of a different race gets a scholarship because they are a minority. But to eliminate discrimination, you must only go on INCOME! I am being discriminated against and I am speaking out!

But wait, since I am white I am a racist. I see how the world works now...
You know, when they told you the world was fair, they lied.

Positive discrimination/affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. We would do better to improve the educational opportunities of minority groups so they can compete in the job market on a level playing field, rather than giving people in minority groups what may amount to preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates.
Ditto

We want a straight day!

Everyday is straight day :p

Positive discrimination/affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. We would do better to improve the educational opportunities of minority groups so they can compete in the job market on a level playing field, rather than giving people in minority groups what may amount to preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates.

Nice sounding rhetoric, devoid from reality.

Giving anyone preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates on the basis of race, sex, etc., is illegal.

White males have built-in advantages. Like a fish doesn't realize it is immersed in water, most white males don't realize they swim in privilege. You get things all the time that you did not earn or did not deserve.

Between equally qualified candidates, seeking diversity and the occasional offset of majority privilege is not simple discrimination.

Racism is still out there. Equally or more qualified candidates that are members of minorities do not get jobs because of their race. It is extremely rare that this happens to white males. So, even if the educational playing field were level, more needs to be done.

But how will shutting minorities out of college opportunities help level the educational playing field?

Actually most scholarships are based on the abilities of the person getting them. You usually have to accomplish something to get the scholarship, like applying. Those scholarships were originally made to combat the severe racism in American schooling so you have the white man to blame for it.


I know that most are based on a person's abilities, but there are scholarships for race. The reason they have them for the minorities is because they GENERALLY have less money. To take away from the discrimination from the poor people who don't get those kinds of scholarships, it is discrimination.

So, they are trying to get the smart but poor people scholarships, but they are giving it only to certain races. They should base it on ability and INCOME and not RACE. Do you now see my point AND understand? :headbang:

You know, when they told you the world was fair, they lied.


I know, Leroy, but America is said to be free of racial discrimination. It isn't right now and it probably won't be for a while because of inactive people like yourself.

Nice sounding rhetoric, devoid from reality.

Giving anyone preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates on the basis of race, sex, etc., is illegal.

White males have built-in advantages. Like a fish doesn't realize it is immersed in water, most white males don't realize they swim in privilege. You get things all the time that you did not earn or did not deserve.

Between equally qualified candidates, seeking diversity and the occasional offset of majority privilege is not simple discrimination.

Racism is still out there. Equally or more qualified candidates that are members of minorities do not get jobs because of their race. It is extremely rare that this happens to white males. So, even if the educational playing field were level, more needs to be done.

But how will shutting minorities out of college opportunities help level the educational playing field?


It is not shutting them out of college. Any person with low income and with the ability to succeed should get a scholarship and not someone who is black with the ability to succeed while a white man/woman cannot. The racial scholarships they have need to be changed to any low income with the ability to succeed.

Oh, and if black people are able to have BET, then I want Honkey Entertainment (HE) and I want to have HE Awards just like the BET Awards and I don't want ANYONE to complain otherwise they can cancel BET for all I care. If BET is a look into black culture, why not have a channel that looks into white culture? I am sure no one would wanna see a bunch of guys or horseback with dogs hunting a fox so maybe the fox could be a woman...

I know, Leroy, but America is said to be free of racial discrimination. It isn't right now and it probably won't be for a while because of inactive people like yourself.
Leroy? :rolleyes: America is said to be a lot of things which it isn't. To be honest, the only reason I'm inactive is because I've got German citizenship in addition to my American one, entitling me to the State paying half of what I theoretically need to live and giving me the rest as an interest free loan, because my parents don't earn enough to support me and since I study in Germany.

Nice sounding rhetoric, devoid from reality.

Giving anyone preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates on the basis of race, sex, etc., is illegal.

Doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. If organisations are required to have a certain number of employees or students from ethnic minorities, then it is concieveable that a candidate from an ethnic minority will be given a position over a more qualified non-minority candidate, simply to fulfil the quota.

White males have built-in advantages. Like a fish doesn't realize it is immersed in water, most white males don't realize they swim in privilege. You get things all the time that you did not earn or did not deserve.

Is that the universal "You", or the individual "You"? If it's the latter, you need to rethink some of your assumptions. If the former, your point here is broadly correct.

Between equally qualified candidates, seeking diversity and the occasional offset of majority privilege is not simple discrimination.

I wasn't talking about the cases where the candidates are equally qualified. My point was that positive discrimination (which is by nature discriminatory) is not the answer to the problem of discrimination against minority groups. It breeds resentment, and fails to tackle the root of the problem. Providing equal educational opportunities and strictly enforcing anti-discrimination laws is the best way

Racism is still out there. Equally or more qualified candidates that are members of minorities do not get jobs because of their race. It is extremely rare that this happens to white males. So, even if the educational playing field were level, more needs to be done.

Yes, racism is still out there. That's why we need anti-discrimination laws. But I disagree with your last point there. If the educational playing field is levelled, and anti-discrimination laws are enforced, positive discrimination/affirmative action is unnecessary and unhelpful. It's good to prevent discrimination against people, but if a person can't get a position on their own merit, why should they have it?

But how will shutting minorities out of college opportunities help level the educational playing field?

Exactly where did I advocate shutting minorities out of college? I think you either need to carefully reread my original post, or get rid of that straw man.


I guess the main point I'm trying to make is, patching over the inequalities by providing minority groups with exclusive opportunities or advantages in the hope that this will somehow balance out the fact that life does tend to be easier when you're white, is not the best approach and is not a viable long-term solution. The root causes need to be addressed instead.

Also there is affirmative action to think about.

I don't remember any recent date that people hired based on skills, rather then on race/connections/affirmative action.

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Leroy? :rolleyes: America is said to be a lot of things which it isn't. To be honest, the only reason I'm inactive is because I've got German citizenship in addition to my American one, entitling me to the State paying half of what I theoretically need to live and giving me the rest as an interest free loan, because my parents don't earn enough to support me and since I study in Germany.


But what I am saying is that the scholarship shouldn't be based on race because I am sure there are some rich Germans who get the same scholarship as you do but dont need it. The scholarship should rather be based on income to help out the needy.

Oh, and thanks for BMW and Prosche. I sure wish I can afford a nice Carrera some day. :D

But what I am saying is that the scholarship shouldn't be based on race because I am sure there are some rich Germans who get the same scholarship as you do but dont need it. The scholarship should rather be based on income to help out the needy.

Oh, and thanks for BMW and Prosche. I sure wish I can afford a nice Carrera some day. :D
It's not a scholarship per se, it's financial aid to students whose parents don't earn enough money. I had to send my parent's financial records to get this. A rich kid certainly won't be able to get BaföG legally.

No, you missed my point again. I am a honky, but I am not rich. Anyone with a larger income than I who is of a different race gets a scholarship because they are a minority. But to eliminate discrimination, you must only go on INCOME! I am being discriminated against and I am speaking out!

But wait, since I am white I am a racist. I see how the world works now...

The whole point there are scholarships out there, many of which go un-used, for just about anyone. There are scholarships for left handed people, people of different racial and religious backgrounds, interests, etc. Scholarships are privately funded and they can decide what the criteria are to be eligible for the scholarship. Some scholarships don't care about your income, like the AEA I mentioned. Some don't even care that much about your GPA. So, my point is quit bitching and start goggling for scholarships that you are eligible to apply for. They are not hard to find.

It is not shutting them out of college. Any person with low income and with the ability to succeed should get a scholarship and not someone who is black with the ability to succeed while a white man/woman cannot. The racial scholarships they have need to be changed to any low income with the ability to succeed.

Here, chcek with these folks and see if they have a scholarship program. Sounds like they might be just the ones you are looking for http://www.naawp.com/

Hmmm got rid of gay day?

Not surprised since they are constantly bombarded by the good "Christians" of this country. Even by ones who have no plans to attend the parks.

It has nothing to do with "saving" the children. It's the fact they have it.

It's a pity. Oh and those that want straight days? Get over yourselves. You are hardly being discriminated against. You don't have good Christians going out and looking to bash you. Tie you to a post and crush your skull in. Trying to put a plaque in your hometown and report you are burning in hell.

Christianity is so good for everybody. :rolleyes:

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It's not a scholarship per se, it's financial aid to students whose parents don't earn enough money. I had to send my parent's financial records to get this. A rich kid certainly won't be able to get BaföG legally.

The US also has educational grants based on income. Could be this guy (or gal) is not poor, but middle income which means his/her parents make too much money to qualify for grants but don't earn enough to pay for college. In that case, there are low interest education loans that are available and many scholarships. Sounds like this person either just wants to bitch, or is too lazy to check into what is available.

I'm not poor, but I'm not rich either and my son managed to put himself through five years of undergraduate school and two or three years of graduate school by himself. He did it on scholarship, grants and loans. Mom and dad did send food and sometimes some money to help out, but he did it on his own. Oh, he is also white.

Actually most scholarships are based on the abilities of the person getting them. You usually have to accomplish something to get the scholarship, like applying. Those scholarships were originally made to combat the severe racism in American schooling so you have the white man to blame for it.
MOST. There are scolarships for people JUST because they are black, they could have enough money to buy the school and could still possibly get teh scholarship

To be honest, the only reason I'm inactive is because I've got German citizenship in addition to my American one, entitling me to the State paying half of what I theoretically need to live and giving me the rest as an interest free loan, because my parents don't earn enough to support me and since I study in Germany.
So you arn't 18 yet?

ooh ooh ooh, I want ATHEIST day at Disney World, all atheists get half off park tickets and can go around shouting "god isn't real"

Ihatevacations']MOST. There are scolarships for people JUST because they are black, they could have enough money to buy the school and could still possibly get teh scholarship

And the same is true for Irish, Italians, Catholics, Methodists, children of veterans groups, etc, etc, etc.

Then certain people will bitch about gay PDA's in front of their kids.
At least with gay day, only the homo's and homo tolerant folk have to see it.
If they didn't have gay day, you'd whine about homo's flaunting their perversion in front of your kids.
Sad but true ... but too bad if I want to kiss my BF out in public (if I had one) fuck anyone that tries to stop me

There is no 'priveleges' whites get that allows us to stay one step ahead of the the game. It's called resource management, and if most minorities complaining about equal opportunities new anything about it, they'd get into colleges without having to rely on Affirmative Action. It's no one's fault but their own if they can't get an equal education. Let's put it like this (Taken from Contemporary Moral Problems Seventh Edition, Louis P. Pojman: The Moral Status of Affirmative Action.):

"Here are two families from different racial groups, Green and Blue. The Greens decide to only have two children, to spend all their resources on them, to give them the best education. The two Green kids respond well and end up with achievement test scores in the 99th percentile. The Blues fail to practice family planning. They have fifteen children. They can only afford two children, but they lack of ability or whatever prevents them from keeping their family down. Now they need help for their large family. Why does society have to step in and help them? Society did not force the Blues to have fifteen children. Suppose that the achievement test scores of the fifteen children fall below the 25th percentile. They cannot compete with the Greens. But now enters AA. It says it is society's fault that the Blue children are not as able as the Greens, and that the Greens must pay extra taxes to enable the Blues to compete. No restraints are put on the Blues regarding family size. This is unfair to the Greens. Should the Green children be made to bear the responsibility for the consequences of the Blues' voluntary behavior?"

Nice sounding rhetoric, devoid from reality.

Giving anyone preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates on the basis of race, sex, etc., is illegal.
Except for your inapropriate and snide remark I agree completely.


White males have built-in advantages. Like a fish doesn't realize it is immersed in water, most white males don't realize they swim in privilege. You get things all the time that you did not earn or did not deserve.
Hey! While we're talking about stereotypes lets talk about the fighting irish, lazy mexicans and the criminal blacks! Oooh, don't forget the geeky gadget-obsessed orientals! Apparently, like a fish in water, you are immersed in bigotry.

Between equally qualified candidates, seeking diversity and the occasional offset of majority privilege is not simple discrimination.
Didn't you open by saying race should not be a consideration? Make up your mind already, Sparky!

Racism is still out there.

sad, but true. No ethnic or gender group is exempt, as you have already brilliantly illustrated.

Equally or more qualified candidates that are members of minorities do not get jobs because of their race.
according to whom?

It is extremely rare that this happens to white males.
According to whom? (http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2005/0615.html) clicky.


So, even if the educational playing field were level, more needs to be done.
You dismiss the benefit of education quite casually.

But how will shutting minorities out of college opportunities help level the educational playing field?
Who said anything about college? How is providing college going to help when 30% of students (and even more among minorities) don't even graduate from the free education alraedy provided through high school. Why work on the elite few and ignore the many who can't even make it past the 12th grade? Elitist!

Hey! While we're talking about stereotypes lets talk about the fighting irish, lazy mexicans and the criminal blacks! Oooh, don't forget the geeky gadget-obsessed orientals!

As an Irish-American, I objecet. You got the sterotype wrong, it's the drunken Irish. :D

Unfourtinatly, prejudice of every kind still exists, and will continue existing till the end of the world. Thing is, nowadays, it is starting to swing against the people who are white males, because of what happened to blacks, and women.

EVERY day is "straight day".

Just like every day is "white day."

I just don't see why a theme park, unless it's actually "GayWorld" simply MUST have a "Gay Day." Demanding or expecting silly "rights" like this is no way to make yourself or your cause seem reasonable. There's gotta be SOME places where sexuality doesn't need to be brought up every five goddamned seconds.

Give it a rest already. Go on and fuck whatever it is you wanna fuck and leave the rest of us out of it, please. You don't want me discussing what I do in private (good grief, neither do I), so why should I have to witness the entire Gay Spectacle? There's no "doggie style" day or "69 Pride Parade".

Be gay and be done with it, should that be your thing, and shut the fuck up.

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No restraints are put on the Blues regarding family size. This is unfair to the Greens. Should the Green children be made to bear the responsibility for the consequences of the Blues' voluntary behavior?"

The Greens' behavior was voluntary, too. There goes that argument.

However, the Greens should NOT be made to pay for the fact that the Blues don't know what a condom is -- UNLESS that's because their religion had anything to do with it. Religions that preach against family planning and contraception should be taxed and those funds used to help the Blues. Problem solved. Unless, of course, there was no religion involved. If that's the case, then it's medical experiments for the lot of them.

That's basically your argument, right? Nobody should be forced to help the fifteen children of the Blues, who had no say in being created, therefore, they should all starve and die.

Sorry, but that's crap. The Greens have a vested interest in society because it helped them get where they are. Failing that, they have a vested interest in the Blue children NOT being criminals and threatening their safety and property. Either way, it's in the Greens' best interest to help the Blue children (THE CHILDREN ONLY, mind you) to educate themselves and learn why their parents were ignorant of the concept of supply and demand, choosing to place themselves above their own ability to care for their children (it ain't like all 15 happened at once, right?).

How? Orphanages. Ugly word, but with all the shit I keep hearing about foster parents and the crimes many of them are found guilty of, it seems to me that an updated orphanage system needs a try. Yeah, it's a judgment call, but I'm making it, 'cause somebody has to. Clearly what's happening now is just about a complete failure.

Ooh, how's about mandatory sterilizations? If we're gonna control the population, let's go whole hog.

There, the extreme views are out of the way. What's next?

That's one good post Intangelon!

Vielen Dank, Herr Laerod.

Yeah, gay day.

As long as Disney was having 'days' for sexual preferences, they should have been more inclusive and had "dry humping day" and "titty sex day."

Yeah, gay day.

As long as Disney was having 'days' for sexual preferences, they should have been more inclusive and had "dry humping day" and "titty sex day."
FUN!

I have heard rumors that Disney has gotten rid of "gay day". I find it rather offensive that Disney had gay day when it is a theme park for children, for one thing, but then they didn't have a straight day! That is discriminating the straight! What about straight pride? We want a straight day!

Boo-hoo-a-frickin'-hoo.

Straight people feeling hard done by at the gates of frickin' Disney World on 'Gay Day'. Give me a frickin' break. What, you think straights are turned away for 24 hours?

Just give it a rest and go to Branson. Hell, petition Mike Eisner to build a Disney World in Boise. Just stop this petulant whining crapola. You just want to capitalize on other people's legitimate lifelong struggles, something you obviously know little to nothing about.

Hmmm got rid of gay day?

Not surprised since they are constantly bombarded by the good "Christians" of this country. Even by ones who have no plans to attend the parks.

It has nothing to do with "saving" the children. It's the fact they have it.

It's a pity. Oh and those that want straight days? Get over yourselves. You are hardly being discriminated against. You don't have good Christians going out and looking to bash you. Tie you to a post and crush your skull in. Trying to put a plaque in your hometown and report you are burning in hell.

Christianity is so good for everybody.

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Nice flaming, Mr. Generalizations :rolleyes:

Sad but true ... but too bad if I want to kiss my BF out in public (if I had one) fuck anyone that tries to stop me


It's this kind of attitude that makes extremists kill you.

The whole point there are scholarships out there, many of which go un-used, for just about anyone. There are scholarships for left handed people, people of different racial and religious backgrounds, interests, etc. Scholarships are privately funded and they can decide what the criteria are to be eligible for the scholarship. Some scholarships don't care about your income, like the AEA I mentioned. Some don't even care that much about your GPA. So, my point is quit bitching and start goggling for scholarships that you are eligible to apply for. They are not hard to find.


Dude, you still missed my point! My point is having scholarships for any other reason than ability and GPA is discrimination, and scholarships on race is racial discrimination, is it not? I am just trying to bring these issues to light and get rid of it. No other nations have those scholarships I can almost certainly guarantee!

It's this kind of attitude that makes extremists kill you.

What, the attitude that says it's a beautiful thing to see two people, in love, publicly displaying mutual affection? This is what makes extremists kill? The sight of love?

No doubt they'd have no trouble at all seeing two people kicking the shit out of each other, but that whole kissing thing...break out the torches and pitchforks.

Screw the extremists. They'll just have to learn to cope with love.

Boo-hoo-a-frickin'-hoo.

Straight people feeling hard done by at the gates of frickin' Disney World on 'Gay Day'. Give me a frickin' break. What, you think straights are turned away for 24 hours?

Just give it a rest and go to Branson. Hell, petition Mike Eisner to build a Disney World in Boise. Just stop this petulant whining crapola. You just want to capitalize on other people's legitimate lifelong struggles, something you obviously know little to nothing about.


Well, Disney is where many people take their kids, that is the issue. There are gay bars and clubs and movies and anything else you can think of that doesn't put this right in front of 5 year olds.

I know when I was 5 I wouldn't have wanted to see any two women or men kissing because:

1. I was 5 and kissing meant you got cooties.

2. Its just plain confusing when you are that little to see two men or women kissing.

Gays and lesbians aren't shunned away from Disney or any other public place. They may get stared at but how do you think a midget looks to a kid or someone with no legs. People stare at them when they try and go out but Disney didn't have a day for them, why? I don't know, go ask Mike.

Being gay is a choice and if you don't have the balls to go out in fear you may be stared at then go f yourself. You don't choose how tall or short you are or if you have any disabilities but they go on with life.

I don't mind if gays or lesbians go out or anything, I am still going to watch them women and watch out for the men, but keep your bodies off one another when you are around children. Have you NO MORALS?

Ihatevacations']MOST. There are scolarships for people JUST because they are black, they could have enough money to buy the school and could still possibly get teh scholarship


So you arn't 18 yet?

ooh ooh ooh, I want ATHEIST day at Disney World, all atheists get half off park tickets and can go around shouting "god isn't real"

Madelaine Murray O'Hair's organization, American Atheists, gives out scholarships too. Apply and quit whining.
Though they do expect you to have participated in some pertinent political activities, whining does't count.

There is no 'priveleges' whites get that allows us to stay one step ahead of the the game. It's called resource management, and if most minorities complaining about equal opportunities new anything about it, they'd get into colleges without having to rely on Affirmative Action. It's no one's fault but their own if they can't get an equal education. Let's put it like this (Taken from Contemporary Moral Problems Seventh Edition, Louis P. Pojman: The Moral Status of Affirmative Action.):

"Here are two families from different racial groups, Green and Blue. The Greens decide to only have two children, to spend all their resources on them, to give them the best education. The two Green kids respond well and end up with achievement test scores in the 99th percentile. The Blues fail to practice family planning. They have fifteen children. They can only afford two children, but they lack of ability or whatever prevents them from keeping their family down. Now they need help for their large family. Why does society have to step in and help them? Society did not force the Blues to have fifteen children. Suppose that the achievement test scores of the fifteen children fall below the 25th percentile. They cannot compete with the Greens. But now enters AA. It says it is society's fault that the Blue children are not as able as the Greens, and that the Greens must pay extra taxes to enable the Blues to compete. No restraints are put on the Blues regarding family size. This is unfair to the Greens. Should the Green children be made to bear the responsibility for the consequences of the Blues' voluntary behavior?"


Yes, but I have seen many cases where the Blues have only had 1 or 2 children and bought them the coolest toys and cloths and things of that nature with the little money they made at their job, (probably less than 23,000 a year), and then recieved food stamps and because they are "poor" the colleges decide to give scholarships to Blues, since this is what many Blue families do.

Instead of giving the Blues money from the Greens or giving them those scholarships based on race they should be taught how to spend money wisely so that they do not have to rely on their race for money and instead be smart with that 23,000 a year and go to school. ANY degree, a 2 year or 4 year, earns you more money a year and opens up more opportunities jobwise.

Punt THAT in your blunt and smoke it!

Well, Disney is where many people take their kids, that is the issue. There are gay bars and clubs and movies and anything else you can think of that doesn't put this right in front of 5 year olds.

I know when I was 5 I wouldn't have wanted to see any two women or men kissing because:

1. I was 5 and kissing meant you got cooties.

2. Its just plain confusing when you are that little to see two men or women kissing.

Gays and lesbians aren't shunned away from Disney or any other public place. They may get stared at but how do you think a midget looks to a kid or someone with no legs. People stare at them when they try and go out but Disney didn't have a day for them, why? I don't know, go ask Mike.

Being gay is a choice and if you don't have the balls to go out in fear you may be stared at then go f yourself. You don't choose how tall or short you are or if you have any disabilities but they go on with life.

I don't mind if gays or lesbians go out or anything, I am still going to watch them women and watch out for the men, but keep your bodies off one another when you are around children. Have you NO MORALS?
Ah... I remember one time as a (younger) kid, we were going to watch a movie, and there was some sleazy local program w/ same-sex kissing on, but then the teacher freaked and pressed the play button real quick. At the time, I was shocked, but only because I hadn't been exposed to enough same-sex relationships. Now, just 5 years later, I don't find it the least bit unsettling. I personally believe that children shouldn't be sheltered from such things.

Well, Disney is where many people take their kids, that is the issue. There are gay bars and clubs and movies and anything else you can think of that doesn't put this right in front of 5 year olds.

I don't mind if gays or lesbians go out or anything, I am still going to watch them women and watch out for the men, but keep your bodies off one another when you are around children. Have you NO MORALS?

Oh, so gays can bring their kids to a gay bar or a night-club instead of Disney World?

Have YOU no morals?

Hmmm got rid of gay day?

Not surprised since they are constantly bombarded by the good "Christians" of this country. Even by ones who have no plans to attend the parks.

It has nothing to do with "saving" the children. It's the fact they have it.

It's a pity. Oh and those that want straight days? Get over yourselves. You are hardly being discriminated against. You don't have good Christians going out and looking to bash you. Tie you to a post and crush your skull in. Trying to put a plaque in your hometown and report you are burning in hell.

Christianity is so good for everybody.

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Well, I don't see any gays being discriminated against. I don;t see them being pushed out of a seat for a straight couple at a resturaunt or they can't drink from the same water foutain as straights. I live pretty close to Disney and I have hardly seen any "gay bashing". The last time I have heard of someone's skull being crushed in because they were gay was the 80's, man. Why don't you grow some balls. Then you might feel bold enough to go out or even, dare I say, DATE WOMEN!

One of my relatives, I'm not sure how we are related, is gay and he is confused why Disney, a theme park know around the world to children, has created a made up day for gays.

Put THAT in your blunt and smoke it!

Let's put it like this (Taken from Contemporary Moral Problems Seventh Edition, Louis P. Pojman: The Moral Status of Affirmative Action.):


Big deal, I used the same book in college. Did you read the part where it argues the other side of the debate?

Well, I don't see any gays being discriminated against. I don;t see them being pushed out of a seat for a straight couple at a resturaunt or they can't drink from the same water foutain as straights. I live pretty close to Disney and I have hardly seen any "gay bashing". The last time I have heard of someone's skull being crushed in because they were gay was the 80's, man. Why don't you grow some balls. Then you might feel bold enough to go out or even, dare I say, DATE WOMEN!

One of my relatives, I'm not sure how we are related, is gay and he is confused why Disney, a theme park know around the world to children, has created a made up day for gays.

Put THAT in your blunt and smoke it!
Gays are discriminated against. Homophobia-relatd statistics: http://www.now.org/issues/lgbi/stats.html

One of my relatives, I'm not sure how we are related, is gay and he is confused why Disney, a theme park know around the world to children, has created a made up day for gays.

Put THAT in your blunt and smoke it!

I don't see why any of this is confusing. I really, really don't.

Disney, a theme park known around the world to children, is also known to children of gay families. Gay Day strikes me as being an attempt to foster a feeling of inclusiveness, so that gay families are more inclined to spend their tourist dollars in an environment free from the intimidation and open hostility that exists MOST places that families go for vacation.

And as for putting that in my blunt and smoking it, that's again, somebody else's struggle. Stop trying to capitalize on other people's accomplishments for your own selfish ends.

Well, I don't see any gays being discriminated against. I don;t see them being pushed out of a seat for a straight couple at a resturaunt or they can't drink from the same water foutain as straights. I live pretty close to Disney and I have hardly seen any "gay bashing". The last time I have heard of someone's skull being crushed in because they were gay was the 80's, man. Why don't you grow some balls. Then you might feel bold enough to go out or even, dare I say, DATE WOMEN!

One of my relatives, I'm not sure how we are related, is gay and he is confused why Disney, a theme park know around the world to children, has created a made up day for gays.

Put THAT in your blunt and smoke it!

If you live in a cave then you miss a great deal.

1) Matthew Sheppard had his skull crushed.
2) I know of a friend who had the HR department express "concern" over his picture of his boyfriend. Good Christian woman. The CEO who was a friend threated to fire the HR director over that.
3) Friends hold their own Halloween parties after a friend was bashed in San Francisco. His attacker said his existence goes against Gods will.

Try reading about events in the country and the world for a change. You might learn something.

Finally, pretty much most of what you say only rates a :rolleyes:

Dude, you still missed my point! My point is having scholarships for any other reason than ability and GPA is discrimination, and scholarships on race is racial discrimination, is it not? I am just trying to bring these issues to light and get rid of it. No other nations have those scholarships I can almost certainly guarantee!
no really its NOT

private scholarships are given to all sorts of people on all sorts of bases. field of study, geography, ethnicity, gender, relation to the trust that funds the scholarship, employment. it goes on and on. private money can go for anything the private money WANTS to go for.

consider the rhodes scholarship. you have to be a student ATHLETE and GENTLEMAN for gods sake.

no really its NOT

private scholarships are given to all sorts of people on all sorts of bases. field of study, geography, ethnicity, gender, relation to the trust that funds the scholarship, employment. it goes on and on. private money can go for anything the private money WANTS to go for.

consider the rhodes scholarship. you have to be a student ATHLETE and GENTLEMAN for gods sake.

To chime in on this as an example:

I was part of a group that started a scholarship fund for English as a Second Language (ESL) students. We decided that after starting a club whose purpose was to give any a chance to work on their English usage with English speakers.

Requirements of the scholarship was the obvious grade requirement and the fact that English was not your primary language.

and then there are athletic scholarships. given out in spite of your GPA

OK Gabrones, if you want to get your college paid for, join the National Guard, Reserves, or active military. They have excellent tuition programs. In fact, if you are in Oklahoma and join the Guard you can go to any state college for no tuition. So here is a for you way to get your education. Stop your whining.

However, I think you will turn this down because all you want to do is whine and cry instead of taking the time to look and apply for scholarships and/or loans and grants. You will probably convince Mom & Dad to help pay for a Community College, and then drop out after the first semester because the teachers are discriminating against you. Then when you can't get a decent job you will blame Affirmative Action instead of your lack of qualifications. How sad. Grow up and get a life.

It is not shutting them out of college. Any person with low income and with the ability to succeed should get a scholarship and not someone who is black with the ability to succeed while a white man/woman cannot. The racial scholarships they have need to be changed to any low income with the ability to succeed.

Yes, you would be shutting minorities out of college. This is exactly what has happened in California when affirmative action was banned via proposition. In fact, without affirmative action the percentage of black students at many selective schools would drop to only 2% of the student body. This would effectively choke off black access to top universities and severely restrict progress toward racial equality.

At the same time, if half of the people of color who are admitted to schools under affirmative action programs were cut, the acceptance rates of white men would only increase by 2%.

While I find the idea of class-based scholarships wonderful, they are no solution for the problem of racism.

You act as if racism does not exist it. It does.

Moreoever, educational opportunities are not equivalent. For example, read Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060974990/103-0345811-1703011?v=glance) by Jonathan Kozol. The book should make you either cry or throw up. Minority children attending schools literally filled with sewage up to the second floor. In Illinios, for another example, per-capita education spending in the state varies from $18,000 to less than $5,000 per year. Guess where the minority students go to school.

Oh, and if black people are able to have BET, then I want Honkey Entertainment (HE) and I want to have HE Awards just like the BET Awards and I don't want ANYONE to complain otherwise they can cancel BET for all I care. If BET is a look into black culture, why not have a channel that looks into white culture? I am sure no one would wanna see a bunch of guys or horseback with dogs hunting a fox so maybe the fox could be a woman...

Um -- the vast majority of channels are dominated -- if not exclusively about -- white culture. :headbang:

Doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. If organisations are required to have a certain number of employees or students from ethnic minorities, then it is concieveable that a candidate from an ethnic minority will be given a position over a more qualified non-minority candidate, simply to fulfil the quota.

Although you are being very reasonable, your views are based on the common, but false, perceptions of what affirmative action is.

No one is required to meet quotas. To the contary, they are illegal.

Nor is it true that whites suffer from affirmative action. According to the U.S. Commerce Department, there are 1.3 million unemployed Black civilians and 112 million employed White civilians (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 2000). Thus, even if every unemployed black worker in the United States were to displace a white worker, only 1% of whites would be affected. Furthermore, affirmative action pertains only to job-qualified applicants, so the actual percentage of affected whites would be a fraction of 1%.

Is that the universal "You", or the individual "You"? If it's the latter, you need to rethink some of your assumptions. If the former, your point here is broadly correct.

Both universal and individual. I'm glad you recognize that whites in general are privileged. But even disadvantaged whites have privileges.

I paid my own way through college. Life is sometimes hard.

I wasn't talking about the cases where the candidates are equally qualified. My point was that positive discrimination (which is by nature discriminatory) is not the answer to the problem of discrimination against minority groups. It breeds resentment, and fails to tackle the root of the problem. Providing equal educational opportunities and strictly enforcing anti-discrimination laws is the best way

Most affirmative action programs have nothing to do with what you call positive discrimination.

But to the extent it does, there is a qualitative, moral difference. Taking away unearned advantages is not unfair.

Another way of looking at it is that you are using the same word -- discrimination -- to describe two very different things. Job discrimination is grounded in prejudice and exclusion, whereas affirmative action is an effort to overcome prejudicial treatment through inclusion. The most effective way to cure society of exclusionary practices is to make special efforts at inclusion, which is exactly what affirmative action does. The logic of affirmative action is no different than the logic of treating a nutritional deficiency with vitamin supplements. For a healthy person, high doses of vitamin supplements may be unnecessary or even harmful, but for a person whose system is out of balance, supplements are an efficient way to restore the body's balance.

Resentment appears to be bred primarily by (a) misconceptions such as you have stated here and (b) whites don't like loosing their privileges -- especially the ones they don't recognize were unearned advantages. Regardless, reliable surveys (depending on who by and how the questions are asked) still show solid majority support for affirmative action programs.

Affirmative action helps ensure equal educational opportunities (as I'll discuss more below.)

Yes, racism is still out there. That's why we need anti-discrimination laws. But I disagree with your last point there. If the educational playing field is levelled, and anti-discrimination laws are enforced, positive discrimination/affirmative action is unnecessary and unhelpful. It's good to prevent discrimination against people, but if a person can't get a position on their own merit, why should they have it?

If the playing field were level and if anti-discrimination laws truly prevented discrimination, then things would be different. Althought there would still be a case for pursuing diversity.

But those prerequistes don't exist. Anti-discrimination laws have long proven inadequate to end racism. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect white workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually white. Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor white students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.

And affirmative action is one of the best ways to level the educational playing field and end discrimination. Having diversity in positions of power and influence will help the most.

Several studies have documented important gains in racial and gender equality as a direct result of affirmative action

Again, this has nothing to do with giving positions to people that are not qualified. But qualifications are not a matter of black & white (no pun intended) -- particularly when it comes to college admissions.

Regardless, giving positions to those who are less qualified is directly contrary to both the law and the purposes of affirmative action.

Exactly where did I advocate shutting minorities out of college? I think you either need to carefully reread my original post, or get rid of that straw man.

That is what you are advocating, whether you know it or not.

In fact, without affirmative action the percentage of black students at many selective schools would drop to only 2% of the student body. This would effectively choke off black access to top universities and severely restrict progress toward racial equality. This is exactly what has happened in California when affirmative action was banned via proposition.

I guess the main point I'm trying to make is, patching over the inequalities by providing minority groups with exclusive opportunities or advantages in the hope that this will somehow balance out the fact that life does tend to be easier when you're white, is not the best approach and is not a viable long-term solution. The root causes need to be addressed instead.

Again, you misunderstand or mistate what affirmative action does or is.

Regardless, the hegemony of power and privilege is one of the root causes of racism and minority disadvantage.

Lack of diversity is one of the root causes of racism and minority disadvantage.

Affirmative action works. It is increasing diversity. It is distributing opportunities more proportionately -- and actually expanding opportunities for all.

Oh, so gays can bring their kids to a gay bar or a night-club instead of Disney World?

Have YOU no morals?


No, I do have morals. Gay Day was just for gays and hardly any of them had kids. It was just a giant gay convention at a children's theme park and that isn't right.

There are things you can do some places, but not others. Would you have sex in front of a daycare? Then why have a gay convention at a children's theme park?! You just DON'T have an adult situation around kids.

Yes, you would be shutting minorities out of college. This is exactly what has happened in California when affirmative action was banned via proposition. In fact, without affirmative action the percentage of black students at many selective schools would drop to only 2% of the student body. This would effectively choke off black access to top universities and severely restrict progress toward racial equality.

At the same time, if half of the people of color who are admitted to schools under affirmative action programs were cut, the acceptance rates of white men would only increase by 2%.

While I find the idea of class-based scholarships wonderful, they are no solution for the problem of racism.




Listen, college is not right for everyone. If you do not put forth the effort, why should other people's money be spent on you?

Racism is a different thread. This one is discrimination, remember? The two are too big of issues to be combined.

Madelaine Murray O'Hair's organization, American Atheists, gives out scholarships too. Apply and quit whining.
Though they do expect you to have participated in some pertinent political activities, whining does't count.
I assuming thinly veiled insults don't either?

I don't see why any of this is confusing. I really, really don't.

Disney, a theme park known around the world to children, is also known to children of gay families. Gay Day strikes me as being an attempt to foster a feeling of inclusiveness, so that gay families are more inclined to spend their tourist dollars in an environment free from the intimidation and open hostility that exists MOST places that families go for vacation.

And as for putting that in my blunt and smoking it, that's again, somebody else's struggle. Stop trying to capitalize on other people's accomplishments for your own selfish ends.


Dude, its fine if gays go to Disney and bring their kids. I have been to Disney many times since my grandad works there and it gets really old really fast.

Now, out of all of the at least 5 times I've been there in the past 2 years I have not seen anyone, not even from another country, look at any gay people strangely. No gays got the eye or the finger, and if you weren't looking for it, you didn't notice them because there were so many people.

Gay Day is an adult situation :fluffle: placed in front of kids. :confused: How much money do you think Disney puts out to let their customers around the world know when Gay Day is? I live in Orlando and I have not recived any paper in the mail nor any phone call In the past 5 years. The only one in our family who knows when the date is is my grandad and its because he works there.

YOU DON'T PUT ADULT SITUATIONS IN FRONT OF CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY WILL HANDLE IT LIKE CHILDREN.

We usually get my daughter a little princess dress to wear there.

Does Disney carry an adult size?

No, I do have morals. Gay Day was just for gays and hardly any of them had kids. It was just a giant gay convention at a children's theme park and that isn't right.

There are things you can do some places, but not others. Would you have sex in front of a daycare? Then why have a gay convention at a children's theme park?! You just DON'T have an adult situation around kids.

Well, I don't think you'll see any heavy ass-pounding sessions happening on '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' or circle-jerks on 'Space Mountain', if that's what you're getting at.

Why would adults want to spend time in an over-priced, kitschy theme-park? Because they have kids. And kids love that sort of crap. Even kids in gay families.

How do you know whether "hardly any of them had kids"? Did you stand outside the gates and card them? Were you part of Disney World's marketing team? Did you plant hidden cameras on Goofy?

Families can be comprised any number of ways, but more often than not, a family is comprised of adults and children. So, no matter what you do, you're going to HAVE "adult situations" around kids every so often. But what, in this context, constitutes an "adult situation"? Certainly not ass-pounding, circle jerks, watersports, or any of a half-dozen or more varieties of "adult situations". Chrissakes, man, it's not as though 'Gay Day' means 'Open-air Sodomy in the Magic Kingdom'. The worst displays of public affection you're liable to see are precisely the same displays of public affection you're liable to see between the adult members of a straight family: Kissing, hugging, nuzzling, touching. There is nothing offensive about witnessing affection between consenting adults. Affection is a thing of beauty. Loathing is ugly.

You're employing a massive double-standard, but I'm sure you know that. As for having sex in front of a daycare, well now...you're just being ludicrously silly. However, Disney World isn't a "children's" theme park, it is a "family" theme park. And gays, y'know, have those too. Families, that is. Surprise, surprise, they weren't hatched, cloned, or summoned up from the netherworld.







EDIT: WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

Well, I don't think you'll see any heavy ass-pounding sessions happening on '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' or circle-jerks on 'Space Mountain', if that's what you're getting at.


Dobbs, I have to tell you that this weekend, I went to Red Lobster (the seafood restaurant, in case there aren't any up there). Some people held up signs saying, "Don't Eat Canadian Seafood - Save the Baby Seals".

As misinformed and ill-conceived as that sounds, you have to realize that huge numbers of people also believe that ass-reaming, double fisting, two-fisted circle-jerk action is exactly what does go on.

I mean, people believe everything. That the people who hunt baby seals love to make them suffer (the cute things!) - that gays are constantly lubing up and getting down...

But I digress...

The start of this whole thread is a thinly disguised troll - meant to emphasize what the original poster really wants - discrimination against gays.

Well, I don't think you'll see any heavy ass-pounding sessions happening on '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' or circle-jerks on 'Space Mountain', if that's what you're getting at.

Why would adults want to spend time in an over-priced, kitschy theme-park? Because they have kids. And kids love that sort of crap. Even kids in gay families.

Were they adopted? Seeing as two gay men or two gay women can't get pregnant from each each other.

Or were they married and chose to try being gay and brung their children with them to live with the neew partner?

The worst displays of public affection you're liable to see are precisely the same displays of public affection you're liable to see between the adult members of a straight family: Kissing, hugging, nuzzling, touching. There is nothing offensive about witnessing affection between consenting adults. Affection is a thing of beauty. Loathing is ugly.

Touching is offensive around children. It shouldn't even be done till 3rd base. Holding hands is okay because that is first base. kissing is kinda okay but it is second base.

I think they yell to empthasizing it and some of us are hard of hearing lol.

I find it rather offensive that Disney had gay day when it is a theme park for children, for one thing,
Yes, and children are all straight, but some of them suddenly turn gay upon the age of majority?




but then they didn't have a straight day! That is discriminating the straight! What about straight pride? We want a straight day! :rolleyes: Every day is straight day. Take a look around.

The start of this whole thread is a thinly disguised troll - meant to emphasize what the original poster really wants - discrimination against gays.

Yes, I realize that, but I cannot abide this particular brand of stupidity. Especially not when the original poster seems intent on capitalizing on the very real lifelong struggles of his fellow citizens, not because the original poster is in any way himself marginalized, but just to pad out his overbearing sense of entitlement.

And that's why I'm bothering, Legs.

But thats not the point. They are giving scholarships just based on RACE and not on income. Anyone who is Native American can get a scholarship even if they made 1 million a year! Don't you see my point?
Find me one Native millionaire. If you actually manage to pull that off, factor in that one millionaire into the total population of Natives. You're creating a straw man here.

But thats not the point. They are giving scholarships just based on RACE and not on income. Besides, plenty of scholorships and busuries have nothing to do with income. They are often private donations from private citizens and private citizens can use whatever criteria they want. If I want to give $5000 to a student who is Asian, crosseyed, intersexed and only listens to Bach, that's my prerogative.

Unfortunately, at least one year Disney did not announce it was gay day. So there were families at Disney who did not know it was Gay Day and were very displeased.
Yes, because all 'families' are homophobic, who want the 'queers' to only come out when they are not around. [/sarcasm]

By the way, I'm straight, I have a family, and I happen to have no problem with homosexuals.

Find me one Native millionaire. If you actually manage to pull that off, factor in that one millionaire into the total population of Natives. You're creating a straw man here.


All the "native" owners of Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. A thousand or so, sharing in several hundred millions of tax-free dollars.

Yes, I realize that, but I cannot abide this particular brand of stupidity. Especially not when the original poster seems intent on capitalizing on the very real lifelong struggles of his fellow citizens, not because the original poster is in any way himself marginalized, but just to pad out his overbearing sense of entitlement.

And that's why I'm bothering, Legs.

It's summer here. And occasionally, I venture downtown to the Mall in DC - not a shopping mall, but a great expanse of greenspace from the Lincoln Memorial to the Capitol Building.

It's full of people hanging out in the summer weather.

You'll see couples kissing and hugging, or laying on a blanket together. Nothing "overtly" sexual - no ass pounding or gang banging going on.

The couples are heterosexual for the most part, but DC seems to be a relaxed enough place for homosexuals to do this as well.

And no one seems to have a problem with it. I certainly don't.

When I do go down there, I take my children to the merry-go-round (it's been there since I was a kid). Occasionally, there are people of various preference who may be seen holding hands, kissing, etc. My children and I think it's a good thing - to see people being good to each other is a good thing, and I think that children see too damn little of it.

Turn on the news, and what am I going to see, nine times out of ten? Disaster and bad news - either natural or man-made disaster.

So, I'll be taking my children where everyone eventually falls in love, and expresses that love without fear.

No, you missed my point again. I am a honky, but I am not rich. Anyone with a larger income than I who is of a different race gets a scholarship because they are a minority. But to eliminate discrimination, you must only go on INCOME! I am being discriminated against and I am speaking out!


Okay...wait a minute and actually think about this. You're talking about students, not career people, getting scholorships. Few students have much income worth mentioning, so you must be talking about their parents. So now, you are advocating that parents who can afford it MUST pay for their child's education? Isn't that taking away freedom of choice just a bit?

And seriously, have you even LOOKED into applying for scholarships and bursaries? Because you seem incredibly uniformed about the criteria out there.

Positive discrimination/affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. We would do better to improve the educational opportunities of minority groups so they can compete in the job market on a level playing field, rather than giving people in minority groups what may amount to preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates.
And yet, that is exactly what these scholarships are trying to do...allow a person who otherwise would not be able to afford it (forget the millionaire Native strawman crap) a chance to attend a school. So...you are for this, and against it?

Yes, because all 'families' are homophobic, who want the 'queers' to only come out when they are not around. [/sarcasm]

By the way, I'm straight, I have a family, and I happen to have no problem with homosexuals.


I'm straight, have a family and no problems with anyone, until such time as they make themselves a problem.

Were they adopted? Seeing as two gay men or two gay women can't get pregnant from each each other.

Or were they married and chose to try being gay and brung their children with them to live with the neew partner?

Touching is offensive around children. It shouldn't even be done till 3rd base. Holding hands is okay because that is first base. kissing is kinda okay but it is second base.

I think they yell to empthasizing it and some of us are hard of hearing lol.

What does it matter how families form? This is irrelevant to the matter-at-hand.

Touching is not at all "offensive" around children. Perhaps it's "offensive" to some adult, outside of the family, looking on. But children aren't "offended" by their parents displaying affection for one another. Unless you're misappropriating the word 'touching' and using it as a euphemeism for masturbation or some other explicitly sexual term (and puh-leeze, it should be clear as DAY that was not how I'd employed the word 'touching' earlier in this thread).

What's with all this 'bases' business? The implication is that this is all about fucking (that being a "home run"?) - and really, as I've said already, it's not as though "Pirates of the Caribbean" is going to suddenly play host to an aquatic orgy.

I know, Leroy, but America is said to be free of racial discrimination.
In what fairytale story is this?

Oh, and if black people are able to have BET, then I want Honkey Entertainment (HE) and I want to have HE Awards just like the BET Awards and I don't want ANYONE to complain otherwise they can cancel BET for all I care. If BET is a look into black culture, why not have a channel that looks into white culture? I am sure no one would wanna see a bunch of guys or horseback with dogs hunting a fox so maybe the fox could be a woman...
As Cat said...a fish in water...

...look at all the rest of your major networks, and then try to tell me that Honkey Entertainment isn't ALREADY the majority of programming out there. :rolleyes:

Also there is affirmative action to think about.

I don't remember any recent date that people hired based on skills, rather then on race/connections/affirmative action.
Ah...you keep your finger on the pulse of hiring practices everywhere, do you?

Give me a break. No company is going to survive hiring based on race instead of skills.

I suppose I got my job not because of my Spanish and teaching skills, but because I'm Native, right?[/rhetorical question as I roll my eyes once again]

I have heard rumors that Disney has gotten rid of "gay day". I find it rather offensive that Disney had gay day when it is a theme park for children, for one thing, but then they didn't have a straight day!
1) the gay people won't have sex in public
2) why not having a straight day or even better, a "large family day" (more than 4 kids, get a super discount)

Ah...you keep your finger on the pulse of hiring practices everywhere, do you?

Give me a break. No company is going to survive hiring based on race instead of skills.

I suppose I got my job not because of my Spanish and teaching skills, but because I'm Native, right?[/rhetorical question as I roll my eyes once again]
Naw you got it for your looks … you and your feminine wiles ;) (j/k)

It's no one's fault but their own if they can't get an equal education.
I love this argument.

"Hey guys! Let's set it up so that this group of people have no job opportunities, no education, and no future, and then let's turn it around and say it's their fault when they can't get out of the cycle we gleefully helped create! Yay!"

...hmm. Maybe "Honkey Entertainment" doesn't go far enough, Sinuhue. Not far enough for Gabrones, anyways. I'm getting the impression that a given production wouldn't just have to feature an all-white cast, but might require an all-white crew, and all-white commercials, all-white, all-the-time, to maintain this Gabrones fellow's illusions.

...hmm. Maybe "Honkey Entertainment" doesn't go far enough, Sinuhue. Not far enough for Gabrones, anyways. I'm getting the impression that a given production wouldn't just have to feature an all-white cast, but might require an all-white crew, and all-white commercials, all-white, all-the-time, to maintain this Gabrones fellow's illusions.
That or a pure NASCAR channel :p

That or a pure NASCAR channel :p

They have in-car Pay Per View NASCAR on multiple channels.
Or you can watch the Speed Channel.

They have in-car Pay Per View NASCAR on multiple channels.
Or you can watch the Speed Channel.
I know was attempting a joke (though you just proved the existence of “honkey” programming lol)

Be gay and be done with it, should that be your thing, and shut the fuck up.
*shakes head disbelievingly*
Shut up about it? That's exactly what gays have had to do for centuries. Shut up about it. Hide it. Pretend you're straight. Pretend you're 'normal'. Gay Pride is not about, "Hey, look how we fuck!", it's about, "Hey, guess what, you can't 'cure' us, you can't 'fix' us, this is how we are, and we're sick of committing suicide or getting gay bashed because you people are too narrow-minded to let us fuck whom we choose". When puritanical straight folk quit nosing into other people's sex lives, and stop teaching gay kids to hate themselves, gay pride will no longer be necessary. Until then? Raise the fucking rainbow flag, because I'm sick of losing people to despair.

That or a pure NASCAR channel :p

LOL

"- And coming out of the straghtaway, it's white car #37 gaining on white cars 23 and 62!! White car #37 turns left - white car #37 takes the lead!"

I never could figure out the thrill of watching a bunch of pobuckers turning left for three hours at a time. Must be the car crashes.

I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if it's been said or not, but Disney has never created, supported, or endorsed "gay day". It has nothing to do with Disney at all - it's just a day that a bunch of gays picked to all go to Disney, so don't blame the theme park, they have nothing to do with it. The KKK could announce a "Clay Day" and they could all go to Disney once a year if they wanted to, it has nothing to do with the park or the company.

I know was attempting a joke (though you just proved the existence of “honkey” programming lol)

I'm still trying to figure out why someone feels threatened by the mere presence of gay people at a park, or feels disenfranchised by the presence of minorities.

It's this kind of attitude that makes extremists kill you.
No one MAKES anyone kill anyone else. You're putting the blame on the victim instead of the bigot? Ridiculous.

Dude, you still missed my point! My point is having scholarships for any other reason than ability and GPA is discrimination, and scholarships on race is racial discrimination, is it not? I am just trying to bring these issues to light and get rid of it. No other nations have those scholarships I can almost certainly guarantee!
Guess what. Canada does. So do many other countries. You just don't get this scholarship thing, do you?

I'm still trying to figure out why someone feels threatened by the mere presence of gay people at a park, or feels disenfranchised by the presence of minorities.
No kidding lol … would not even phase me I am all about the rides and such

I know when I was 5 I wouldn't have wanted to see any two women or men kissing because:

1. I was 5 and kissing meant you got cooties.

2. Its just plain confusing when you are that little to see two men or women kissing.
Only confusing when you have no idea gays and lesbians exist. I grew up very differently than you I suspect, and gays and lesbians were as much a fact of life as straight couples. Kissing period grossed me out when I was a kid...there was no 'extra' gross out factor depending on the sex of the kissers.



but keep your bodies off one another when you are around children. Have you NO MORALS?
Do you tell this to straight people too? 'Cuz I just HATE it when straight people hold hands and snuggle in public...

People always talk about minorities taking "their" spot in colleges and jobs, but did any of you care to look at the population of minorities in schools?

If anyone is taking "your" spot, it's the children of alumni and people with connections to the people at the top.

To me, the outcry against minorities is like getting angry at a speck of dust in a room that's all dirty.

There are things you can do some places, but not others. Would you have sex in front of a daycare? Then why have a gay convention at a children's theme park?! You just DON'T have an adult situation around kids.
Oh, I see. Gays have sex in public. I hadn't realised that. Wow. Perverts.

Ah...you keep your finger on the pulse of hiring practices everywhere, do you?

Give me a break. No company is going to survive hiring based on race instead of skills.

I suppose I got my job not because of my Spanish and teaching skills, but because I'm Native, right?[/rhetorical question as I roll my eyes once again]


If you look like Pocahantas, I would probably hire you.

Listen, college is not right for everyone. If you do not put forth the effort, why should other people's money be spent on you? Because those people choose to give it to them, in the form of scholarships. Are you saying they should be prevented from giving to whomever they like?

Racism is a different thread. This one is discrimination, remember? The two are too big of issues to be combined.
*falls off chair laughing her red hot injun ass off*

Guess what. Canada does. So do many other countries. You just don't get this scholarship thing, do you?

Here in the US, they even have scholarships for people with certain family names. Or whose relatives fought FOR the Confederacy. They even have legacy scholarships at some schools.

If you can think of an odd reason for giving a grant or scholarship, there's probably one like that out there.

The US government gave my sister a scholarship - a full, free ride - and all she had to do was major in what the government wanted (master's in information security) at the school they chose (George Washington University), and pass a security clearance (Top Secret) so that they could employ her upon graduation.

So she got a full ride scholarship all the way through a Master's, at a great school, and then they gave her a job - a senior position in the IT section of the Justice Department.

Hey, the whole thing had nothing to do with race or gender. If you could get into the program at GW and pass your security clearance, they paid cash.

Still think the system is unfair? Maybe you need to take a good look around. The system is still geared for people with ambition to get ahead - including whites.

Well, Disney is where many people take their kids, that is the issue. There are gay bars and clubs and movies and anything else you can think of that doesn't put this right in front of 5 year olds.

I know when I was 5 I wouldn't have wanted to see any two women or men kissing because:

1. I was 5 and kissing meant you got cooties.

2. Its just plain confusing when you are that little to see two men or women kissing.

Gays and lesbians aren't shunned away from Disney or any other public place. They may get stared at but how do you think a midget looks to a kid or someone with no legs. People stare at them when they try and go out but Disney didn't have a day for them, why? I don't know, go ask Mike.

Being gay is a choice and if you don't have the balls to go out in fear you may be stared at then go f yourself. You don't choose how tall or short you are or if you have any disabilities but they go on with life.

I don't mind if gays or lesbians go out or anything, I am still going to watch them women and watch out for the men, but keep your bodies off one another when you are around children. Have you NO MORALS?So you know homosexuality is a choice because you were a homosexual and now are heterosexual?

If you look like Pocahantas, I would probably hire you.

Nobody looks like Pocahantas. Not like Disney's Pocahantas, anyway.

Racism is a different thread. This one is discrimination, remember? The two are too big of issues to be combined.

ROTFLASTC

That speaks more eloquently about the flaw in your views than anything I could say.

Good night, Gracie.

And these 'millionaires' decided to capitalise on 'discriminating scholarships' in order to go to post-secondary....?


I have no idea-I didnt order their financial statements yet.

You just said to show you one millionaire native. I was just pointing out there are many in Connecticut. Calm down.

If you look like Pocahantas, I would probably hire you.
*smack!*
Oh, I forgot to mention...I'm sure as a minority female, I 'stole' some white man's job. Sorry, Bob. Poor discriminated-against man.

Here in the US, they even have scholarships for people with certain family names. Or whose relatives fought FOR the Confederacy. They even have legacy scholarships at some schools.
Here, they have scholarships for people whose grandfather fought in WWI, WWII or Korea...scholarships for people who grew up in certain places, scholarships for people who are going into certain careers that are traditionally done by one group (to get more women in construction for example, more men in nursing...).

So yeah, this whole argument is a load of crap. And I just read through all 7 pages of it. Man!

*smack!*
Oh, I forgot to mention...I'm sure as a minority female, I 'stole' some white man's job. Sorry, Bob. Poor discriminated-against man.


Man-you smack like a girl. You'll never get a smacking job.

Dont pull that shit after quoting me-people will think that you're responding to my sentiment.
I've never lost anything to a so called "minority".

And I'm not Bob, either. loon

I have no idea-I didnt order their financial statements yet.

You just said to show you one millionaire native. I was just pointing out there are many in Connecticut. Calm down.
Don't worry, I wasn't directing that at you...you had provided the example I had asked for, but I was still speaking to the OP.

In any case, natives and casinoes is an interesting topic I may revisit at some point in the future...

I think one thing that some of you need to understand:

gay != gay sex

People talk about references to sex, but is it that way with heterosexuals? Two heterosexuals kissing and two homosexuals kissing is only a difference in the sexes kissing.

Man-you smack like a girl. You'll never get a smacking job.

Dont pull that shit after quoting me-people will think that you're responding to my sentiment.
I've never lost anything to a so called "minority".

And I'm not Bob, either. loon
Hahahahaha...but I WANT people to think you are a racist, misogynist bastard...Bob...:)

So yeah, this whole argument is a load of crap. And I just read through all 7 pages of it. Man!

Bet you're feeling disappointed.

Nobody looks like Pocahantas. Not like Disney's Pocahantas, anyway.


damn... their is something about a lithe female in deer hide...Mmmmm

She had an attitude anyway. She would need a bit of tenderizing first-before I hired that bitch.

Hahahahaha...but I WANT people to think you are a racist, misogynist bastard...Bob...:)

HaHa...racist, misogynistic bastard. With all the advantages of everything having been handed to him, huh?

Don't worry, I wasn't directing that at you...you had provided the example I had asked for, but I was still speaking to the OP.

In any case, natives and casinoes is an interesting topic I may revisit at some point in the future...


You directed it right at me-what are you talking about? You're borderline wacky today. And trying to misdirect and respond to me out of context really isnt going to get you anywhere.

You directed it right at me-what are you talking about? You're borderline wacky today. And trying to misdirect and respond to me out of context really isnt going to get you anywhere.
Today!!?? Are you kidding? When have I NOT been?

And to assuage your wounded pride, I deleted the post. Baby. :eek:

How about this? Ever go to a store or supermarket and see a mentally handicapped person working there? Does the though enter your mind, "Hey, a more qualified worker could be doing his job. The worker would be faster and smarter than this guy will ever be. This is horrible that the mentally handicapped are receiving 'special' privileges and treatment, getting jobs a more qualified person should have."

If you were a person applying for a job and a mentally handicapped individual got that job over you, would you be pissing in the river over this "travesty"? No, I'm not equating the mentally handicapped to racial minorities, I'm speaking more on the notion that one has lost "his" spot or position.

Positive discrimination/affirmative action is just another form of discrimination. We would do better to improve the educational opportunities of minority groups so they can compete in the job market on a level playing field, rather than giving people in minority groups what may amount to preferential treatment over more qualified and able candidates.

this is what p[isses me of when women in the u.k. sue their employers bcause a man in the same post gets paid more. the law says equal pay for equal work. this means that a less qualified person or less able worker gets paid less, end of story.

and yes, i feel that white undisabled male is a minority! if a white kid kills a black kid, it's racially motivated. if a black kid kills a white kid it's just a normal murder.

if we're white, they're black. we are not white, we're peachy-pinkish with a hint of olive, or in my case a geeky pale pink. but if we're still white and it isn't 'racist', why aren't non-white people black?

the government is afraid of being sued, and because of the history of slavery, black people carry more weight. therefore they can shout louder.

equality will never happen, it's impossible. what next, disabled black woman pope with a mental age of 4 elected president of the U.S.A. for eqaulity's sake?!

this is what p[isses me of when women in the u.k. sue their employers bcause a man in the same post gets paid more. the law says equal pay for equal work. this means that a less qualified person or less able worker gets paid less, end of story.
And these are all cases where the woman works less, in the same post?

Today!!?? Are you kidding? When have I NOT been?

And to assuage your wounded pride, I deleted the post. Baby. :eek:


No wounded pride, my little loin cloth clad, Sacagaweah (sp?). I just dont need your misdirected jibes helping other people to form an image of me.
Thats all. I wouldnt expect you'd tolerate it either.

this is what p[isses me of when women in the u.k. sue their employers bcause a man in the same post gets paid more. the law says equal pay for equal work. this means that a less qualified person or less able worker gets paid less, end of story.

Are you trying to claim women are less qualified then men?

and yes, i feel that white undisabled male is a minority!

You feel wrong then.

if a white kid kills a black kid, it's racially motivated. if a black kid kills a white kid it's just a normal murder.

:rolleyes:

if we're white, they're black. we are not white, we're peachy-pinkish with a hint of olive, or in my case a geeky pale pink. but if we're still white and it isn't 'racist', why aren't non-white people black?

Here's a paper bag.

Breathe

;)

the government is afraid of being sued, and because of the history of slavery, black people carry more weight. therefore they can shout louder.

Yep. That is because the majority of influential people in the UK are black.

Oh wait...

equality will never happen, it's impossible. what next, disabled black woman pope with a mental age of 4 elected president of the U.S.A. for eqaulity's sake?!

Just remember to breathe, hun.

:fluffle:

No wounded pride, my little loin cloth clad, Sacagaweah (sp?). I just dont need your misdirected jibes helping other people to form an image of me.
Thats all. I wouldnt expect you'd tolerate it either.
Okay okay! *hands up* I give in!

CARNIVOROUS LICKERS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS NEITHER RACIST NOR MISOGYNIST, AND I APOLOGISE IF ANYTHING I HAVE SAID MADE YOU THINK HE WAS!

I admit, I repent, I beg forgiveness. Now shut it, wolfman, because I'm only cutsie-nice for a two minute window daily... :D

Okay okay! *hands up* I give in!

CARNIVOROUS LICKERS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS NEITHER RACIST NOR MISOGYNIST, AND I APOLOGISE IF ANYTHING I HAVE SAID MADE YOU THINK HE WAS!

I admit, I repent, I beg forgiveness. Now shut it, wolfman, because I'm only cutsie-nice for a two minute window daily... :D


Yeah-whatever...just grab your ankles now...

Yeah-whatever...just grab your ankles now...
Too late. That window is now closed.

Too late. That window is now closed.


Its never too late for the old "in-out, in-out real savage like", Buttercup.

Its never too late for the old "in-out, in-out real savage like", Buttercup.
That's just punny! :D

CARNIVOROUS LICKERS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS NEITHER RACIST NOR MISOGYNIST, AND I APOLOGISE IF ANYTHING I HAVE SAID MADE YOU THINK HE WAS!


Carnivorous Who?

Carnivorous Who?
Lickers. You know...that mysoginist homophobe... :eek:
OK OK I'LL STOP NOW!

That's just punny! :D

Mmmm...I knew while being all serious, you'd still like it. (although, I didnt make that up for you, its a line from A Clockwork Orange)

Mmmm...I knew while being all serious, you'd still like it. (although, I didnt make that up for you, its a line from A Clockwork Orange)
I know, I did catch that...but it was fitting, nonetheless:).

Lickers. You know...that mysoginist homophobe... :eek:
OK OK I'LL STOP NOW!


And I was even letting you off the hook,after all-I dont hate women-just some that cannot spell M I S O G Y N I S T
(look for that latin root GYN as a memory crutch next time)

And I was even letting you off the hook,after all-I dont hate women-just some that cannot spell M I S O G Y N I S T
(look for that latin root GYN as a memory crutch next time)
I'd like to say I did that on purpose to make myself look stupid, but the truth is, I didn't care if I spelled it wrong, because I only worry about accuracy when I'm trying to make a real point:).

I know, I did catch that...but it was fitting, nonetheless:).


good...I'm not really here to debate you, just give you goosebumbs from time to time. Oh-and make a total trainwreck of an annoying thread.

This is what pisses me of when women in the U.K. sue their employers bcause a man in the same post gets paid more. The law says equal pay for equal work. This means that a less qualified person or less able worker gets paid less, end of story.Actually what they mean is that the same position gets the same pay. If someone is so bad at their job, you fire them or give a demotion, you don't pay less. And like Sinuhue said, are you saying that every case where women sue the employer for unfair pay is because the woman is doing less work?

I've seen more than enough cases where the woman does more work than her counterparts and receives less pay, but she still lobbies for EQUAL pay.

And yes, I feel that white undisabled male is a minority!But they're not and saying you believe it to be so won't make it so. Minority doesn't necessarily mean unfair treatment, but that usually is the case. Let's take South Africa for example, during apartheid, it was a majority population being treated unfairly by the minority.

If a white kid kills a black kid, it's racially motivated. If a black kid kills a white kid it's just a normal murder.That's not true at all, a white person killing a black person does not automatically mean it's racially motivated, that only comes out when the details of the case are known. A white person that mugs and kills a black person will be just that, unless he is targeting the person because he doesn't like black people. It would work the same way with a black person. Maybe you think this way because the cases where there is violence based on racial motivation receives the most press.

If we're white, they're black. We are not white, we're peachy-pinkish with a hint of olive, or in my case a geeky pale pink. But if we're still white and it isn't 'racist', why aren't non-white people black?Why don't you go and complain to your white compatriots from the Age of Exploration? Black people did not call themselves black first, someone else did, so if you are angered that now blacks (as well as other racial and/or ethnic groups) take pride in themselves, then you're complaining to the wrong person, white people called themselves white.

The government is afraid of being sued, and because of the history of slavery, black people carry more weight. Therefore, they can shout louder.I haven't the foggiest idea what this statement is for.

Equality will never happen, it's impossible. What next, disabled black woman pope with a mental age of 4 elected president of the U.S.A. for equality's sake?!And since the president is elected, why would you whine about it? Just because your white undisabled male candidate didn't win doesn't mean that you have to be angered that the majority of the population decided to choose a black female with a mental disability.

I'd like to say I did that on purpose to make myself look stupid, but the truth is, I didn't care if I spelled it wrong, because I only worry about accuracy when I'm trying to make a real point:).


*L*

I have to get some dinner...There are like 40 decent restaurants within a few miles of here. Too many choices.

I'm not really here to debate...

*snips*

...and make a total trainwreck of an annoying thread.

Well, I don't exactly see Gabrones leaping to the defense of this shambles of a thread he's assembled.

Which is pretty much what I'd expect.

My garden is coming along nicely. Shame I'm locked up in a small room with the AC cranked.

:eek: Discrimination

Disriminatian is a thing that through the years will affect us more than now ,, so let´s combat it .
My nation have a leme that is that amlo is not well recived in it :sniper: , this is a factor that you probably don´t konw it but is affecting our future :confused:

we Caucasions who are streight deserve a day that is our, i mean we have done more for the world then the rest of you(both good and bad). NO offense meant.

I want a streight caucasion day :)

My garden is coming along nicely. Shame I'm locked up in a small room with the AC cranked.

Mine too. It rained hard here earlier, but that only increased the humidity afterward. Odd that the weather that makes us most uncomfortable is pefect for tomatoes and zucchini.

we Caucasions who are streight deserve a day that is our, i mean we have done more for the world then the rest of you. NO offense meant.

I want a streight caucasion day :)


you've got it, my friend. whatever the hell it is.

we Caucasions who are streight deserve a day that is our, i mean we have done more for the world then the rest of you. NO offense meant.

I want a streight caucasion day :)I think the problem people seem to have is that they don't understand the term "black," which I would say falls more into the category of talking about the American black who has always been idnetified as being black. This ethnic group lacks a cultural identity and unlike the Caribbean, they are a minority population that receives no acceptance in the society. As a result, they'll identify themselves as black.

That's the reason why you won't seen something like Caucasian Day or any other race for that matter. You'll see ethnic and national classification like Irish, Italian, Polish, South Pacific (a bit more regional), Caribbean, etc. These groups all have a connection to a land of ancestry that is known, whereas blacks in America don't have this, hence the identification as black. Of course you could look at the term African-American, but then the problem that arises is that it's a wholesale labelling of a continent with many different ethnic groups. This contrasts with say South Pacific where people will identify the region, but they also know their culture and place of origin, something lost with Blacks in America.

Caucasians don't need a day as they already have many cultural days that focus on different countries in Europe. The Black/African-American identity comes more as a response to racism and discrimination in America than it is to them trying to separate themselves. Someone mentioned BET earlier, BET was made in response to the refusal of MTV to play the videos of black artists, it wasn't created to say, "I am black!" It was created to provide an outlet for blacks in entertainment, television, one they were categorically being locked out of. People should pay attention to the history and the reasons why something exists instead of just the fact that it exists.

Mine too. It rained hard here earlier, but that only increased the humidity afterward. Odd that the weather that makes us most uncomfortable is pefect for tomatoes and zucchini.

A friend who dropped in out of town yesterday brought us some Sweetgrass from her own garden in the burbs - sadly, it's one of just a handful of things left after her boyfriend mistakenly dug up 90% of her perennials this spring, thinking they were weeds.

I just transplanted it, and moved some Lady's Mantle to accomodate it. Poor Lady's Mantle has been struggling all season. I've moved it to a more shady spot. The Monkeyflower next to it is quite happy, however.

We're not bothering with veggies this year - the breakdown is roughly 65% herbs, 35% flowers. Of course, there's the uh..."compassion garden", which'll be the same size as last years' "compassion garden", nine lovely ladies in all, growing fat, growing tall. Last year we used mongrel stock - all various crossbred indica/sativa plants, not one with the same lineage - but this year we opted for a higher-potency monoculture approach. September will see us harvesting the Silver Haze.

Whoo-hoo!

A friend who dropped in out of town yesterday brought us some Sweetgrass from her own garden in the burbs - sadly, it's one of just a handful of things left after her boyfriend mistakenly dug up 90% of her perennials this spring, thinking they were weeds.

I just transplanted it, and moved some Lady's Mantle to accomodate it. Poor Lady's Mantle has been struggling all season. I've moved it to a more shady spot. The Monkeyflower next to it is quite happy, however.

We're not bothering with veggies this year - the breakdown is roughly 65% herbs, 35% flowers. Of course, there's the uh..."compassion garden", which'll be the same size as last years' "compassion garden", nine lovely ladies in all, growing fat, growing tall. Last year we used mongrel stock - all various crossbred indica/sativa plants, not one with the same lineage - but this year we opted for a higher-potency monoculture approach. September will see us harvesting the Silver Haze.

Whoo-hoo!

I havent gotten to the flowers yet-I have a lot of work to do on my yard first. I've cut down 11 trees so far and there are two maybe three more I can do myself before I'll need a professional. I've removed most of the stumps myself, but may pay to have the next ones removed so I dont die trying. The previous owner had vines growing all pver everything-my yard had vine curtains of permanent shade-I removed all the vines. They never collected leaves either. A great deal of the yard was also covered with black plastic and then gravel-that combination is a back breaking bitch to remove.
So I started with vegetables and some herbs in a small garden. I've got some great basil, parsley and mint we're already using.

If you want some flowers, but you don't really have the time, might I suggest gazalias?

They're the pride of my garden, the splash of colour that offsets all the various greens. Some of the flowers are striped, some banded, others solid - and they run the gamut from white to yellow to orange to red to purple.

Really beautiful. Really low-maintenance. The only drawback is they're annuals (save those seeds!).

Mine too. It rained hard here earlier, but that only increased the humidity afterward. Odd that the weather that makes us most uncomfortable is pefect for tomatoes and zucchini.
I bet my garden could kick your garden's ass:). No, not really, but we took a chance and planted really early, and it paid off. I'm already eating lettuce, cilantro and peas, and the cucumbers are looking good...

Well, I don't think you'll see any heavy ass-pounding sessions happening on '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' or circle-jerks on 'Space Mountain', if that's what you're getting at.

Why would adults want to spend time in an over-priced, kitschy theme-park? Because they have kids. And kids love that sort of crap. Even kids in gay families.

How do you know whether "hardly any of them had kids"? Did you stand outside the gates and card them? Were you part of Disney World's marketing team? Did you plant hidden cameras on Goofy?

Families can be comprised any number of ways, but more often than not, a family is comprised of adults and children. So, no matter what you do, you're going to HAVE "adult situations" around kids every so often. But what, in this context, constitutes an "adult situation"? Certainly not ass-pounding, circle jerks, watersports, or any of a half-dozen or more varieties of "adult situations". Chrissakes, man, it's not as though 'Gay Day' means 'Open-air Sodomy in the Magic Kingdom'. The worst displays of public affection you're liable to see are precisely the same displays of public affection you're liable to see between the adult members of a straight family: Kissing, hugging, nuzzling, touching. There is nothing offensive about witnessing affection between consenting adults. Affection is a thing of beauty. Loathing is ugly.

You're employing a massive double-standard, but I'm sure you know that. As for having sex in front of a daycare, well now...you're just being ludicrously silly. However, Disney World isn't a "children's" theme park, it is a "family" theme park. And gays, y'know, have those too. Families, that is. Surprise, surprise, they weren't hatched, cloned, or summoned up from the netherworld.







EDIT: WHY ARE YOU YELLING?


I guess you have never been to Gay Day or seen it on local TV. MOST of the people who attend Gay Day do NOT have kids. They go there just because of the name and kiss and grab each other because everyone is supposed to know its Gay Day and they say get over it. THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM, DUMBASS!

I guess you have never been to Gay Day or seen it on local TV. MOST of the people who attend Gay Day do NOT have kids. They go there just because of the name and kiss and grab each other because everyone is supposed to know its Gay Day and they say get over it. THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM, DUMBASS!
Hey straits can do it in public so can gays

Dobbs, I have to tell you that this weekend, I went to Red Lobster (the seafood restaurant, in case there aren't any up there). Some people held up signs saying, "Don't Eat Canadian Seafood - Save the Baby Seals".

As misinformed and ill-conceived as that sounds, you have to realize that huge numbers of people also believe that ass-reaming, double fisting, two-fisted circle-jerk action is exactly what does go on.

I mean, people believe everything. That the people who hunt baby seals love to make them suffer (the cute things!) - that gays are constantly lubing up and getting down...

But I digress...

The start of this whole thread is a thinly disguised troll - meant to emphasize what the original poster really wants - discrimination against gays.

Well, I can tell you that the people who kill the baby seals don't care that they are alive while they are being skinned. There are tons of videos out there showing how they dont even bother to kill the seals and how the seals die of blood loss. Would you like to be skinned alive? Wouldn't you think the person who could handle that is cruel? What about a terrorist hacking away at someone's neck with a dull sword? Is that cruel because its a person?

No, I dont want gays discriminated against, but I don't want to take my kids to McDonalds to find its Gay Night there because Gay Day passed at Disney and people think its ok for kids to see two men or two women kissing. Children are easily molded. Would you want your kid going to Military Day at Disney where they have a ton of people from the military running around in formation?

When children are exposed to things when they are that young they think its ok. Thats why when kids are really young in some countries they used to steal them from their parents when they were little because it was so much easier to convince them.

So, again, YOU DONT EXPOSE CHILDREN TO ADULT SITUATIONS.

I guess you have never been to Gay Day or seen it on local TV. MOST of the people who attend Gay Day do NOT have kids. They go there just because of the name and kiss and grab each other because everyone is supposed to know its Gay Day and they say get over it. THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM, DUMBASS!

Why Gabrones, are you insulting me? Why would you want to do that? Are you tired of yelling in mile-high colourful fonts already?

Come on, impress me with your verbal skills instead. Tell me again how you're an expert on the goings-on at 'Gay Day'...

Would you want your kid going to Military Day at Disney where they have a ton of people from the military running around in formation?

Absolutly ... would have absolutly no problem with that

THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM, DUMBASS!Gabrones: Official Warning - Flaming.

Why Gabrones, are you insulting me? Why would you want to do that? Are you tired of yelling in mile-high colourful fonts already?

Come on, impress me with your verbal skills instead. Tell me again how you're an expert on the goings-on at 'Gay Day'...Dobbsworld: Official Warning - Flamebait.

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