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It's very simple. If Saddam had WMDs and was an "imminent threat" to the point that we thought he'd use them on America or Israel, then why didn't he use them when we invaded?

This has been hashed over so many times on this forum. Again, Iraq had WMD that is a proven fact. Wether or not he had them now? Who knows. But everyone said he did including John Kerry, the French, Germans and Russians. So who is wrong?

Yeah but it still sounds absurd to me...

This has been hashed over so many times on this forum. Again, Iraq had WMD that is a proven fact. Wether or not he had them now? Who knows. But everyone said he did including John Kerry, the French, Germans and Russians. So who is wrong?
Oh yeah, except for both U.N. weapons inspectors. Oh, and, from the Downing Street memos, clearly, the British were skeptical about him having WMDs.. Oh, and also, according to the Sunday Herald and the BBC, several intelligence sources said France opposed the war because they truly didn't believe Iraq had any WMDs.

Oh, and by the way, since France, Germany and Russia agreed with our intelligence on Iraq's WMDs, I'm curious about two things:
#1. How many soldiers did those countries send to Iraq? Since they agreed with us, and all.
#2. Why did Russian intelligence warn Iraq that they were going to be invaded in March of 2002?

This has been hashed over so many times on this forum. Again, Iraq had WMD that is a proven fact. Wether or not he had them now? Who knows. But everyone said he did including John Kerry, the French, Germans and Russians. So who is wrong?
"Had" is an awfully vague time frame--I mean, I had a pet dog--eight years ago. Haven't had one since, so to accuse me of, say, potentially having a dangerous, child-eating dog based on the fact that I owned a puppy--no, let's make it a pit-bull--eight years ago and with no further proof that I continue to own a dog is a bit of a stretch, especially if you've had inspectors coming into my home for most of the last eight years, dismantling my formerly used dog care facilities, and then bombing me when I toss you out.

At the very least, it's shitty info around which to build a case for war, especially when you're telling everyone around me that I not only have a child eating pit-bull, but that I have a whole pack of them, that you know where they are, and that I can strike people in the next city with them, even though inspectors came in and found no signs that I had any pit-bulls. Then you look like a dumbass when you invade my home, look around and find that I haven't had a pitbull in years, and the only proof you find that I ever had one is a crusty lump of dogshit that was hidden behind the couch twenty years ago.

So a really shitty comic proofs something that has already been proofen. Thank you internet!

Uhm, zee Germans never said he had'em, remember? Your "evidence" just wasn't good enough for us to buy it...

"America. They dumb."
-Saddam Hussein

Uhm, zee Germans never said he had'em, remember? Your "evidence" just wasn't good enough for us to buy it...
But who can trust Germany? They're a Socialist country that forces women into prostitution!!!

Oh, wait, no. Sorry. That was just a false story put out by the shitty mainstream U.S. media, based upon a German editorial.

No WMD's found -> No WMD's there.

Simple, no ?

No WMD's found -> No WMD's there.

Simple, no ?
No. Even though they're using antiquitated equipment, they have STATE-OF-THE-ART mobile weapons facilities that would be virtually undetectable by the U.S. military. Either that or they could have flown them out on their unmanned aircraft... which also could've gotten past U.S. radar, because Hussein had rather advanced stealth technology. ;)

Iraq was 'do'able.

It was invaded precisely because it did not have WMDs that would be a danger to the invading US soldiers.

The whole WMD, Saddam friends with AQ and was involved in 911 thing was used to manufacture consent, US being democracy and all.

Y'all need to look beyond these obvious lies and look for what the Bush Adm actual objectives were and what is the progress on those objectives.

I am guessing the objectives could be, removing Saddam and making Iraq a democracy, drawing in the Jihadis, securing a base so that US can reduce dependance on KSA and sure the money from the contracts are a bonus.

But surely the real overriding reasons for the war were NOT the WMDs or the non-existent Iraq's connection with 9/11.

"proofs" does not matter, since the reasons were bogus to start with anyway !

This has been hashed over so many times on this forum. Again, Iraq had WMD that is a proven fact. Wether or not he had them now? Who knows. But everyone said he did including John Kerry, the French, Germans and Russians. So who is wrong?
Can you point me to the intelligence report from Germany stating that he had WMD? I think you're mixing things up or making things up to suit your agenda of excusing this war by using the name of countries who strongly opposed the war due to lack of evidence! Germany said repeatedly that Hussein had NO WMD and that the intelligence sources the US and Britain relied on were untrustworthy (i.e. Curveball). That's why our government wanted the UN weapons inspectors to finish their job, and did oppose the war - rightly so. :mad:

It's very simple. If Saddam had WMDs and was an "imminent threat" to the point that we thought he'd use them on America or Israel, then why didn't he use them when we invaded?
how is that PROOF?

the proof is in not finding any. who takes their best defence and buries it so deep in the desert that it cant be found? no one.

personally i consider hussein SAYING he didnt have any to be the final bit of proof necessary. he said the HAD to leave the impression that he had wmd so his neighbor iran wouldnt know how weak he really was and attack.

and why beat this dead horse now? we may as well hash over the 2000 election again.

Shrub,

You hang out at DemocraticUnderground, don't you? :rolleyes:

No. Even though they're using antiquitated equipment, they have STATE-OF-THE-ART mobile weapons facilities that would be virtually undetectable by the U.S. military. Either that or they could have flown them out on their unmanned aircraft... which also could've gotten past U.S. radar, because Hussein had rather advanced stealth technology. ;)
Or they have a bunch of heavy covered trucks which were seen by sats as crossing the Syrian border.

Saddam has WMD's! Just that the aliens took them. I could show you proof, but i'd have to kill you.

#1. How many soldiers did those countries send to Iraq? Since they agreed with us, and all.

None. I guess they were being dumb by not wanting to squander the lives of their men. I guess they were being dumb by trying not to engage in a bloody war. Why doesn't America invade Israel or Russia for that matter. They have WMDs too.

Although I have this feeling that there were no WMDs in Iraq to begin with (although they could have been shipped out quietly), the reason Saddam wouldn't have deployed them:

If I remember correctly, President Bush said something to the effect that "if chemical or biological weapons were used against American forces or her allies, Iraq becomes 169,000 square miles of glass." Although Saddam was a cruel dictator, he still had some concern for his country, and I doubt he would be willing to risk the entire nation's well-being to sate his anger.

Of course, this is all hypothetical.

None. I guess they were being dumb by not wanting to squander the lives of their men. I guess they were being dumb by trying not to engage in a bloody war. Why doesn't America invade Israel or Russia for that matter. They have WMDs too.

INVADE CHINA! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Great. Now if only you had known it back then. :rolleyes:

(Even the FRENCH wouldn't say that there were no WMDs in Iraq before the invasion. Sheesh!)

INVADE CHINA! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Well, it has been a bit over 100 years since that was done, but this time we have the disadvantage of them not being opium fiends...

Although I have this feeling that there were no WMDs in Iraq to begin with (although they could have been shipped out quietly), the reason Saddam wouldn't have deployed them:

If I remember correctly, President Bush said something to the effect that "if chemical or biological weapons were used against American forces or her allies, Iraq becomes 169,000 square miles of glass." Although Saddam was a cruel dictator, he still had some concern for his country, and I doubt he would be willing to risk the entire nation's well-being to sate his anger.

Of course, this is all hypothetical.
There's that and then given his comments when captured he's not the most stable person on the block. Didn't he make a comment to the judges presiding over his trial that he was still the president of Iraq?

Well, it has been a bit over 100 years since that was done, but this time we have the disadvantage of them not being opium fiends...

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right.

The US has only invaded China once, you know. During the Boxer Rebellion of 1900 - the saddest 'turn of a century' for China in all the centuries...:(

But the US was relatively kind in those years, compared with good ol' Britain and Japan.

What's up with all these Harry Potter-esque names? :D

Dragons Bay
Ravenshrike
Ancient and Holy Terra

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right.

The US has only invaded China once, you know. During the Boxer Rebellion of 1900 - the saddest 'turn of a century' for China in all the centuries...:(

But the US was relatively kind in those years, compared with good ol' Britain and Japan.

Er... it wasn't just the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

The insurgents finally fell to an international force, the Eight-Nation Alliance, eventually numbering 45,000 Japanese, American, Austro-Hungarian, British, French, German, Italian, Russian and anti-Boxer Chinese troops, which captured Tianjin on July 14 and Beijing on August 14.

What's up with all these Harry Potter-esque names? :D

Dragons Bay
Ravenshrike
Ancient and Holy Terra

Ew, groce!

*distances myself as far as possible from Harry Potter*

I hate Harry Potter.

What's up with all these Harry Potter-esque names? :D

Dragons Bay
Ravenshrike
Ancient and Holy Terra

.....only one of those sounds harry potter-esque

Er... it wasn't just the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

The insurgents finally fell to an international force, the Eight-Nation Alliance, eventually numbering 45,000 Japanese, American, Austro-Hungarian, British, French, German, Italian, Russian and anti-Boxer Chinese troops, which captured Tianjin on July 14 and Beijing on August 14.

I know it wasn't just the U.S., but I was talking a Chinese invasion of US "only". All Western imperialists are evil! *fumes* Chinese imperialists do so much better. We don't push drugs.

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It's very simple. If Saddam had WMDs and was an "imminent threat" to the point that we thought he'd use them on America or Israel, then why didn't he use them when we invaded?


Dude, go find a new subject.

One word strikes fear into the heart of terrorist: America. Do you not realize that we are a Superpower and have the strongest military in the world? Why would anyone want to fight us face to face? Its just like what we decided to do when we gained our independence from Britian. They were stronger and had more men so we used gorilla tactics. When they come to meet you, you run and hide and then attack again. That is why they didn't fight much when we invaded.

Again, another meaningless post by a shrub with NO evidence to support his theories.

GOD BLESS THE USA

You hang out at DemocraticUnderground, don't you?

I think he's a Moveon'er.

I know it wasn't just the U.S., but I was talking a Chinese invasion of US "only". All Western imperialists are evil! *fumes* Chinese imperialists do so much better. We don't push drugs.

True. Chinese imperialists just shoot their own people, artificially peg their currency, and have no respect for patents or copyright laws. :(

I think he's a Moveon'er.

An ironic name, really, since they never seem to. I swear I'll be hearing about the 2000 election when I retire in 2041...

I thought it'd already been established that it's very unlikely Iraq had WMDs. Even the Bush administration has switched from taking about invading Iraq to remove the threat posed by their WMDs, to saying the invasion of Iraq was about spreading "Freedom" and democracy, and liberating the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator.

The debate about whether Iraq had WMDs should be all but over, however there is still plenty of room for debate on the subject of whether the Bush admin knew there were no WMDs and deliberately used them as a ploy to gain support for the war, or whether they believed, due to faulty intelligence, that Saddam did posses WMDs.

I think he's a Moveon'er.
It could be an either/or situation. The reason I said DemocraticUnderground is that they tend to be more shrill and less coherent. ;)

Or they have a bunch of heavy covered trucks which were seen by sats as crossing the Syrian border.

I like how no one has been able to come back against this comment lol.

Good work Ravenshrike

This cartoon is incredibly ugly, and hurts my artistic feelings.

Oh yeah, except for both U.N. weapons inspectors. Oh, and, from the Downing Street memos, clearly, the British were skeptical about him having WMDs.. Oh, and also, according to the Sunday Herald and the BBC, several intelligence sources said France opposed the war because they truly didn't believe Iraq had any WMDs.

UN weapons inspectors are a joke. The Downing street memo is bs. Its been already proven to be an unreliable story. BBC is a left leaning news org. Cant believe all they say.

Oh, and by the way, since France, Germany and Russia agreed with our intelligence on Iraq's WMDs, I'm curious about two things:
#1. How many soldiers did those countries send to Iraq? Since they agreed with us, and all.
#2. Why did Russian intelligence warn Iraq that they were going to be invaded in March of 2002?

#1 Russia didnt send soldiers. They sent advisors! To help Saddam set up defenses against the coalition.

#2 Russian warned Iraq that they were going to be invaded cause they were in bed with Saddam.

Very clear picture here. Why the questions?

I know it wasn't just the U.S., but I was talking a Chinese invasion of US "only". All Western imperialists are evil! *fumes* Chinese imperialists do so much better. We don't push drugs.

Now thats a good one. Nah Chinese dont push drugs at all, nah never. They dont do anything illegal, not at all! Maybe thats why the Europeans think they are so great.