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All the gay people in the world need to listen.
(also, gay supporters)

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your gayness in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are gay, I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.


Moving right along, think about what you are doing before you tell people you like to dick people in the ass.

Was this not the view stated by Mr. Garrison in South Park while trying to get fired for being gay so that he could sue the school system?

I think you could have expressed your views in a slightly less offensive way, so as not to alienate people from your argument.

That aside, I agree with you. (To some extent)

Was this not the view stated by Mr. Garrison in South Park while trying to get fired for being gay so that he could sue the school system?
So not only is he homophobic and stupid, but he's unoriginal as well?

Alright people, move right along, just ignore the troll. Nothing to see here, it's all over.

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your gayness in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

Eeeehm... why should gay people be forced to hide their gayness ? Do you object to a straight couple kissing on a bench or holding hands ?
I do agree that standing naked on a boat swinging your genitals around is "unwanted flaunting", but that is true no matter what the sexual preference of the person in question is.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are gay, I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

It is your right to dislike them, just as other people have a right to dislike people of a certain faith, people of a certain skincolour etc.
That does not mean the laws of your country should discriminate against those people.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.
Correct - marrying is a choice. But a choice that offers you certain legal rights and benefits.

To quote The One-Stop Rules Shop:

"Don't feed the trolls."

Yea, I probably should have toned it down, but I have been up for nearly 20 hours now.


I dont watch south park, so I wouldnt know about that one.


But I was trying to point out the differnece between acceptance and tolerance, and yea, Im not a fan of seeing anyone kiss.

All the gay people in the world need to listen.
(also, gay supporters)

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your gayness in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are gay, I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.

Moving right along, think about what you are doing before you tell people you like to dick people in the ass.
I'm not gay, but I have friends who are, and I find your post offensive and bigoted in the extreme. I don't indulge in the "homophobia" type rants, but you need to learn a bit of compassion toward people who are simply different from yourself. Care to tell us what other groups against which you have an irrational prejudice?

I would hazard a guess as to who they are, but I would nt want to seem as bigotted and stereotypical as Po tato

It is your right to dislike them, just as other people have a right to dislike people of a certain faith, people of a certain skincolour etc.
That does not mean the laws of your country should discriminate against those people.

Amen.

im not ranting about gays! im ranting about acceptance vs. tolerance.

But I was trying to point out the differnece between acceptance and tolerance, and yea, Im not a fan of seeing anyone kiss.

Jealous? :D :p :fluffle:
Just treating this with the seriousness it deserves.

Why should you? the dictionary has already defined the meaning of those two words.

im talking about how they got and deserve tolerance, but not forced acceptance, like it appears they want.


although this is a very broad view of it all, and I am off to sleep finally.

im not ranting about gays! im ranting about acceptance vs. tolerance.

Give it up man, you wont get anything new outta them.

By the way, I love muffins! :D

ya know darlin' its attitudes like yours that makes it necessary for gay people to "flaunt it"

they arent just fighting for themselves but for all the gay people who are too afraid to be themselves. people like you would make it impossible for them to even live a quiet life to themselves.

so they get in bigots faces to show the world that its OK. they march down the street in parades. they fight for the right to marry the person they love. they KISS IN PUBLIC!

so, darlin'. "right back at ya" if you want gay people to "behave", shut up about it.

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT

im not ranting about gays! im ranting about acceptance vs. tolerance.
Then you're doing a piss-poor job of it.

Being accepted by others for who and what you are is a basic human need. By refusing to accept gays qua gays you are unjustly discriminating against an entire group of people based entirely on one thing: their sexuality.

Some few heterosexuals define themselves based on their heterosexuality, but by continuing to discriminate against gays based on their sexuality people are actually encouraging gays to define themselves as gay. Until this ceases, gays will continue to define themselves by their sexuality in response to the discrimination against them, thus making those discriminating even more inclined to be prejudiced. It's a viscious cycle.

In type, you sound an awful lot like dolly parton.

In type, you sound an awful lot like dolly parton.
Say what??? ME? ROFLMAO!

what does rofalmo mean?

Anyway, we don't fight for acceptance. We fight for tolerance. We've yet to obtain it in some places. You are not tolerant.

what does rofalmo mean?
Rolling
On
Floor
Laughing
My
Arse
Off.

BTW, it wasn't rofalmo.

ohhh, I seee. Well, thats just what it sounded like in my mind. lol

Give it up man, you wont get anything new outta them.

By the way, I love muffins! :D

Was that intended to be an ambiguous statement? :p

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT

Thats nice, now get off my damn lawn, and no I wont get used to it!
*wields shotgun*

ya know darlin' its attitudes like yours that makes it necessary for gay people to "flaunt it"

they arent just fighting for themselves but for all the gay people who are too afraid to be themselves. people like you would make it impossible for them to even live a quiet life to themselves.

so they get in bigots faces to show the world that its OK. they march down the street in parades. they fight for the right to marry the person they love. they KISS IN PUBLIC!

so, darlin'. "right back at ya" if you want gay people to "behave", shut up about it.

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT


You guys hear about that drag queen riot in san francisco, they trashed their own hangout and then it spilled out into the street where they trashed
some more stuff. I mean, what a hoot. Anyway This TV show I'm watching says that it was the first time homosexuals ever stood up to the man.
Thay called it the first act of militant homosexual resistance, (LMAO), anyway, they interviewed some of these militant drag queens who participated in the disturbance and these people all looked like crackheads. Half of them had mutalated their bodies at some time in the past. Imagine an 80 year old crackhead drag queen that just got pulled out of the trailer park and then got hit by the ugly truck. Half of them had been diagnosed with non gay related mental illnessess. These "heros of the militant gay movement" were hookers, I mean com'on. real good representitives

Was that intended to be an ambiguous statement? :p

Whats ambiguous about muffins?

Half of them had been diagnosed with non gay related mental illnessess.

What is a "gay related mental illness"?

What is a "gay related mental illness"?
Homoitis?

Homoitis?

Haven't heard of that one...

Haven't heard of that one...
Its caused by excess purple, and its symptons are fairly obvious, yes?
Of course, the govornment has hushed up the final stages of the disease, which generaly leads to implosion.

Then you're doing a piss-poor job of it.

Being accepted by others for who and what you are is a basic human need. By refusing to accept gays qua gays you are unjustly discriminating against an entire group of people based entirely on one thing: their sexuality.

As I've stated in the past, Its not about who they sleep with its about their behavior.

Some few heterosexuals define themselves based on their heterosexuality, but by continuing to discriminate against gays based on their sexuality people are actually encouraging gays to define themselves as gay. Until this ceases, gays will continue to define themselves by their sexuality in response to the discrimination against them, thus making those discriminating even more inclined to be prejudiced. It's a viscious cycle.

As I've stated in the past, you cant expect the majority of society to make the first steps or to cater to you, and by pushing harder you are just polarizing fairly middle of the road voters like myself against you. Im fairly left of center about social issues but you guys are starting to bug me.

Its caused by excess purple, and its symptons are fairly obvious, yes?
Of course, the govornment has hushed up the final stages of the disease, which generaly leads to implosion.

Oh my.

What do you mean by "excess purple"? Do tell.

Because my room is painted purple, and now I'm wondering if I will turn into a lesbian any time soon. I HAVE been thinking Sarah Michelle Geller is really pretty lately...

Oh my.

What do you mean by "excess purple"? Do tell.

Because my room is painted purple, and now I'm wondering if I will turn into a lesbian any time soon. I HAVE been thinking Sarah Michelle Geller is really pretty lately...
Oh dear, thats the first stage.
Im afraid theres nothing for it now, you have, oh, about 90 years until implosion. Of course, most people die before they implode, which is really rather dissapointing.

As I've stated in the past, Its not about who they sleep with its about their behavior.


So you'll put up with them as long as they behave as you wish? Jeez, do they have to like the same colors as you do as well? What about what kind of shoes they wear, is that acceptable?

So you'll put up with them as long as they behave as you wish? Jeez, do they have to like the same colors as you do as well? What about what kind of shoes they wear, is that acceptable?
ACCEPTABILITY IS DEFINED BY THE COLLECTIVE. WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. WE ARE PERFECTION. DEVIANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. PREPARE TO BE STANDERDIZED.
Note the boldness :P

What is a "gay related mental illness"?

sorry, I was trying to say their mental issues were things like schizophrenia
I was not implying that being gay is a mental illness.

ACCEPTABILITY IS DEFINED BY THE COLLECTIVE. WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. WE ARE PERFECTION. DEVIANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. PREPARE TO BE STANDERDIZED.
Note the boldness :P

Ah, so the majority is perfect and they are the ones who say who ISN'T. How surprising... :rolleyes:

Reminds me vaguely of high school. The popular kids say who's a loser and who's worthy of actually being cool.

Ah, so the majority is perfect and they are the ones who say who ISN'T. How surprising... :rolleyes:

Welcome to Democracy ;)

Ah, so the majority is perfect and they are the ones who say who ISN'T. How surprising... :rolleyes:

Reminds me vaguely of high school. The popular kids say who's a loser and who's worthy of actually being cool.
Which is exactly why they are to be made fun of at every oppurtunity.

So you'll put up with them as long as they behave as you wish? Jeez, do they have to like the same colors as you do as well? What about what kind of shoes they wear, is that acceptable?


How many riots ended well for black civil rights. They earned respect by dispelling stereotypes not by embracing them. Not that gay people have nearly as legitimate a reason to fight as the dignified african-american civil rights movement. Your plight pales in comparison.

How many riots ended well for black civil rights. They earned respect by dispelling stereotypes not by embracing them. Not that gay people have nearly as legitimate a reason to fight as the dignified african-american civil rights movement. Your plight pales in comparison.

Let's see if I get what I think you said.

So the African-American civil rights movement was acceptable because they dispelled stereotypes. And since gay people DON'T break through stereotypes (and are therefore not like you and other straight people), wanting to be tolerated and or accepted isn't a worthy goal?

ACCEPTABILITY IS DEFINED BY THE COLLECTIVE. WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. WE ARE PERFECTION. DEVIANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. PREPARE TO BE STANDERDIZED.
Note the boldness :P

We are the Borg?

So you'll put up with them as long as they behave as you wish? Jeez, do they have to like the same colors as you do as well? What about what kind of shoes they wear, is that acceptable?

Let me guess, Im a NAZI, right wing, evangelist, christian, right?

Let me guess, Im a NAZI, right wing, evangelist, christian, right?

Way to change the subject.

On the contrary, I don't think exploiting the holocaust would be a smart way to prove my point.

Let me guess, Im a NAZI, right wing, evangelist, christian, right?
No, your a collective assembly of sentient machines bent on assimilating the Universe.
*dons his tinfoil hat*

Let me guess, Im a NAZI, right wing, evangelist, christian, right?

And besides, while the nazis were mostly Christians (thats not to say all Christians in the 40s shared the same views as Hitler) who were prejudiced against homosexuals, among other groups of people, most anti-gay people today don't go around shooting gay people. So I wouldn't compare you to a nazi.

Let's see if I get what I think you said.

So the African-American civil rights movement was acceptable because they dispelled stereotypes. And since gay people DON'T break through stereotypes (and are therefore not like you and other straight people), wanting to be tolerated and or accepted isn't a worthy goal?

I think he meant to say that the black
a. do not owe their current acceptance and equality to riots or loud public protests that enforced societies stereotyped views (like them being dumb for instance), but instead to those who worked hard and showed that those stereotypes were incorrect, by becoming doctors, artists etc.
b. were treated somewhat worse by society than the gays are currently.

I agree that events like the gay canal parade in Amsterdam, where gays dance naked and suggestively on boats do not really help social acceptance of them in societies where people already assume that "gay = sexmaniac". I also agree that the plight of the black people was somewhat worse - I just do not see why that would take away any justification for gays to demand equal rights. Something else being even worse doesn't make a wrong right after all...

I think he meant to say that the black
a. do not owe their current acceptance and equality to riots or loud public protests that enforced societies stereotyped views (like them being dumb for instance), but instead to those who worked hard and showed that those stereotypes were incorrect, by becoming doctors, artists etc.
b. were treated somewhat worse by society than the gays are currently.

I agree that events like the gay canal parade in Amsterdam, where gays dance naked and suggestively on boats do not really help social acceptance of them in societies where people already assume that "gay = sexmaniac". I also agree that the plight of the black people was somewhat worse - I just do not see why that would take away any justification for gays to demand equal rights. Something else being even worse doesn't make a wrong right after all...

I agree that the naked dancing thing doesn't really help, but what other sterotypes do gays have other that sexmaniac? If you go to conservative Christian family oriented sites, you'll see that gay people are also seen as perverted, evil, and out to "gay-ify" your children. How are you supposed to break through stereotypes like those?

Sorry mods - this guy is just asking for it! :D

All the gay people in the world need to listen.
(also, gay supporters)

Oh boy - another loud-mouth raving lunatic. You know, we have mental asylums for people like you... THey even come with their own little imaginary audience of "yes men".

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your gayness in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

What's next, you're going to say that the blacks and other people of colour shouldn't have fought to the same kind of rights that the homosexuals and lesbians are fighting for?

And why should heterosexuals flaunt their sexuality in public? It's just as revolting. I fail to see how it's any different.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are gay, I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

Aw, the little baby doesn't like it. I guess that means we shouldn't be accepted - aw screw it!

There are plenty who think in the same narrow-minded frame of mind that you employ, and they still aren't getting their way.

Oh, and here's the thing about acceptance - just because you accept something doesn't mean you have to like it.

IE: I accept that the mods might give me a warning for flaming if I call you what I'm really thinking about you. I don't like it, but that's just tough shit for me.

So, just because you hate something doesn't mean you can't just be complecent and accept it.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.


Actually, no one needs to.

Should they? Why are they any different? A human is a human and we all have the same rights. So, therefore, they have the right to be married. You may believe otherwise because of religion, but everyone has their own beliefs and some people believe in this quirky thing known as "rights"...

Moving right along, think about what you are doing before you tell people you like to dick people in the ass.

Maybe you should think about what you're doing before you open your mouth.

Moving along now...

Oh my.

What do you mean by "excess purple"? Do tell.

Because my room is painted purple, and now I'm wondering if I will turn into a lesbian any time soon. I HAVE been thinking Sarah Michelle Geller is really pretty lately...

My girlfriend says that she can think of better looking girls out there than Buffy, "she wasn't cute on All My Children, and she isn't cute now".

As I've stated in the past, Its not about who they sleep with its about their behavior.

As I've stated in the past, you cant expect the majority of society to make the first steps or to cater to you, and by pushing harder you are just polarizing fairly middle of the road voters like myself against you. Im fairly left of center about social issues but you guys are starting to bug me.
So what, pray tell, about the "behavior" of gays offends you? Just the fact that you lump all gays together and decry "their behavior" is alone sufficient to indicate a fair amount of prejudice, but do tell what "gay behavior" is and what about it offends you.

You guys hear about that drag queen riot in san francisco, they trashed their own hangout and then it spilled out into the street where they trashed
some more stuff. I mean, what a hoot. Anyway This TV show I'm watching says that it was the first time homosexuals ever stood up to the man.
Thay called it the first act of militant homosexual resistance, (LMAO), anyway, they interviewed some of these militant drag queens who participated in the disturbance and these people all looked like crackheads. Half of them had mutalated their bodies at some time in the past. Imagine an 80 year old crackhead drag queen that just got pulled out of the trailer park and then got hit by the ugly truck. Half of them had been diagnosed with non gay related mental illnessess. These "heros of the militant gay movement" were hookers, I mean com'on. real good representitives
I believe you are referring to the Stonewall riot.
Nice try at turning everyone against it, but let's try putting in some more accurate facts.

The police raided Stonewall, for one thing. Once the riot broke out, the police beat people for no reason, especially effeminate men.

The reason the people at Stonewall tried to attack the bar was that the police were holed up inside. The actual trashing of the inside was done by the police.

And good job with the vicious slander of the people who were at Stonewall. Not all of them were drag queens at all, like you seem to be suggesting. And I am quite close to positive you made up the figures about mental illnesses and mutilation.

My girlfriend says that she can think of better looking girls out there than Buffy, "she wasn't cute on All My Children, and she isn't cute now".

Really? I thought she was pretty back in the high school years (seasons 1-3), but not in the later seasons when she looked anorexic. And when she got her bangs cut really short in season 3, that wasn't a good look for her.

homosexuals and lesbians

I believe you meant to say, gays and lesbians, just homosexuals by itself, or possibly, homosexuals and bisexuals. Since, homosexuals and lesbians is rather repetitive. Not to be nitpicky or anything, of course.

Really? I thought she was pretty back in the high school years (seasons 1-3), but not in the later seasons when she looked anorexic. And when she got her bangs cut really short in season 3, that wasn't a good look for her.

I'm referring to Buffy of course, not All My children.

I believe you are referring to the Stonewall riot.
Nice try at turning everyone against it, but let's try putting in some more accurate facts.

The police raided Stonewall, for one thing. Once the riot broke out, the police beat people for no reason, especially effeminate men.

The reason the people at Stonewall tried to attack the bar was that the police were holed up inside. The actual trashing of the inside was done by the police.

And good job with the vicious slander of the people who were at Stonewall. Not all of them were drag queens at all, like you seem to be suggesting. And I am quite close to positive you made up the figures about mental illnesses and mutilation.

NOOOO, Stonewall made sense. Im referring to the Compton cafeteria riot in San Francisco 1966, Do you have something against drag queens? I hardly think that what they were wearing is of any importance.

I believe you meant to say, gays and lesbians, just homosexuals by itself, or possibly, homosexuals and bisexuals. Since, homosexuals and lesbians is rather repetitive. Not to be nitpicky or anything, of course.
Be picky all you want, I still ain't changing it.

I agree that the naked dancing thing doesn't really help, but what other sterotypes do gays have other that sexmaniac? If you go to conservative Christian family oriented sites, you'll see that gay people are also seen as perverted, evil, and out to "gay-ify" your children. How are you supposed to break through stereotypes like those?

Breaking through the evil part is impossible, since it can be argued that in their moral system the gays really are evil: practising gays do something their God considers an abomination. Telling a believer his/her god is wrong will not really work, no matter how much evidence you present. So attacking this stereotype is a waste of time. A similar thing can be said about the perversion: if they are convinced their God wants sex limited to people of different gender you will not persuade them homosexual sex is not perverted.

The gay-ifying children idea can only be taken away by proving it is not true. But of course every single instance of a child daring to come out of the closet while knowing a happy gay couple will be called "gay-ifying" in the media, while the 100s of straight children going to the same school will not get a mention.

NOOOO, Stonewall made sense. Im referring to the Compton cafeteria riot in San Francisco 1966,
Oh, sorry then. I hadn't heard of this "Compton cafeteria riot", so I made a stupid leap of illogic.
Do you have something against drag queens? I hardly think that what they were wearing is of any importance.
Well, you seemed to be using the fact that they were drag queens against them.

NOOOO, Stonewall made sense. Im referring to the Compton cafeteria riot in San Francisco 1966, Do you have something against drag queens? I hardly think that what they were wearing is of any importance.

Actually wouldn't what they were wearing be one of the aforementioned behaviors that annoys you so much?

Really? I thought she was pretty back in the high school years (seasons 1-3), but not in the later seasons when she looked anorexic. And when she got her bangs cut really short in season 3, that wasn't a good look for her.

Ok, my girlfriend agrees. She's particularly hot for Rose McGowan from charmed though.

;) :fluffle:

She's particularly hot for Rose McGowan from charmed though.

;) :fluffle:

Well that's totally understandable.

Ok, my girlfriend agrees. She's particularly hot for Rose McGowan from charmed though.

;) :fluffle:

Ohhh-kayyy. Now I understand why!

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Topics like "tolerance, not acceptance" have "obvious foreshadowing" written all over them

i'm ok with homosexuality, but i don't like gayness. if you worked at my company and i somehow found out you were a homo, fine. keep it to yourself, you're still employed. it's your own private life. but if you go out and "flaunt it," looking for special treatment, and acting not just homosexual but gay (there is a difference) then i would probably fire you. go ahead and sue, but i'll win and i'll tell you why: if you make my customers uncomfortable you're gone, and that's what acting gay does. i'm not saying the act of being homosexual, but the act of acting gay. i tolerate homosexuality, maybe one day i will accept it, but i have zero tolerance for gays (homos and heteros).

in short:
:fluffle: in private=tolerated
;) :p in public=you're fired

Pretty valid view, I suppose.

But there are women who, 'flaunt it', but they dont make the majority of the population uncomfortable. But for me, women who do that put me off. I like the quiet types.

All the [Christian] people in the world need to listen.
(also, [Christian] supporters)

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your [Christianity] in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are [Christian], I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.

All the [black] people in the world need to listen.
(also, [black] supporters)

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your [blackness] in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are [black], I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.

All the [heterosexual] people in the world need to listen.
(also, [heterosexual] supporters)

You fought for tolerance, when you should have not told anyone, because who are you to flaunt your [heterosexuality] in peoples faces? Thats fine and dandy.

Now you fight for acceptance? Fuck no. You are [heterosexual], I do not like it, but that is a different matter.

Do you need to get married? No. Should you be able to? Maybe.

Moving right along, think about what you are doing before you tell people you like to dick people in the ass[, mouth, or vagina.]

:rolleyes: :headbang:

:rolleyes: :headbang:

Whenever you hear things like "I tolerate [insert group], but don't accept...", think of another phrase "I'm not [racist/homophobic/etc.], but...". They have the same purpose.