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Vote for Prez in 08...hypothetical.

JWatkins
25-06-2005, 04:59
So lets say that John McCain jumps the party-fence and runs as some form of independent once Frist has secured the far right base. If these were your options, who would you vote for?: Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Bill Frist, or some third-party candidate (Green, Lib, etc.)?
Eutrusca
25-06-2005, 05:02
So lets say that John McCain jumps the party-fence and runs as some form of independent once Frist has secured the far right base. If these were your options, who would you vote for?: Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Bill Frist, or some third-party candidate (Green, Lib, etc.)?
Holy shit! That's one hell of a Hobbson's choice! Jeeze! Well, of the three, I suppose I'd have to go with McCain, although that would be the lesser of three evils! :(
Robert E Lee II
25-06-2005, 05:03
None of the three will run.
Colodia
25-06-2005, 05:03
2008 will be the first election I'll be voting in. :D

I'd have to go with McCain. Even though I'd be a registered Democrat.
JWatkins
25-06-2005, 05:03
lol yah...just figured those 3 were likely contenders in one way or another. Im also hoping someone more worthy shows up.
Vanikoro
25-06-2005, 05:03
Frist, I guess. But I think Rice has a better chance of running than McCain. I would vote for her over Clinton anyday.
Chellis
25-06-2005, 05:06
I sure hope McCain runs.
Eutrusca
25-06-2005, 05:07
Frist, I guess. But I think Rice has a better chance of running than McCain. I would vote for her over Clinton anyday.
Amen, brother. Preach it! :)
Sdaeriji
25-06-2005, 05:09
I'd rather eat my own foot than vote for Rice or Clinton.
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 05:10
Clinton, definitely

She's got the right ideas, and she isn't biased along party lines - she's teaming up with the french fry guy to push a health plan.

McCain is good. Frist is crazy. I dunno why people'd vote for him. He's better than DeLay or Bush, but... not much better.

as for 3rd parties, we shouldn't have them. None of them win... ever. Thus, you are basically throwing away your vote. I think we should have "none of the above", though... :D

Bill Frist isn't a senator, by the way. He's a representative. House majority leader.
Eutrusca
25-06-2005, 05:11
I'd rather eat my own foot than vote for Rice or Clinton.
ROFLMAO! [ hands you some salt and a really nice au jus to go with "foot" ] :D
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 05:11
Frist obviously. I want our first female president to be a good one, which means I certainly wouldn't vote for Clinton.
CSW
25-06-2005, 05:12
From the Economist, on John McCain (subscription required, snippit here)

The senior senator for Arizona is not what Democrats hope he is

HE IS every American liberal's favourite Republican. He has a long history of championing liberal causes such as campaign-finance reform (with Russ Feingold) and immigration reform (with Teddy Kennedy). He recently derailed the attempt by Senate Republican leaders to junk the delaying filibuster technique for judicial appointments; and he is one of Congress's leading worry-warts on global warming. A recent Washington Post-ABC News poll gave him higher favourability ratings among Democrats and independents (both 59%) than among members of his own party (56%).
....
But the Komrade (so called by the conservatives) has a dark little secret: he is actually very conservative. That he is a maverick who likes nothing better than kicking against the pricks there can be no doubt. But he is a conservative maverick.

Mr McCain's Republican loyalties were directly tested in the 2004 presidential campaign, when John Kerry asked him to be his running-mate. The wooing was hot and heavy. But Mr McCain not only rebuffed his fellow Vietnam veteran. He threw himself into campaigning for his former nemesis, appearing in more than 20 events for George Bush. “Both candidates in this race are honoured to be the friend of John McCain”, Bush told a crowd in Reno, Nevada. “Only one of us gets his vote, and I am proud that it is me.”
...
When Mr Bush was talking about the importance of having a “humble” foreign policy back in 2000, Mr McCain was preaching the virtues of “rogue state roll-back”. He has long been a believer in the Reagan doctrine of linking American power with the spread of American values, not least in Iraq. And his foreign policy has not softened with time. He remains an articulate defender of the Iraq war—though also an equally articulate attacker of Donald Rumsfeld's handling of it. He is an outspoken critic of the authoritarian regimes in Saudi Arabia and Egypt, as well as of Vladimir Putin's “creeping coup” in Russia. If Mr McCain isn't a Reagan Republican when it comes to foreign policy, then nobody is.
...
The paradox of Mr McCain's politics is that he frequently clashes with conservative activists not because he wants to advance liberal goals, but because he wants to promote conservative ones. Mr McCain is a deeply conservative man by temperament. Both his father and grandfather were distinguished four-star admirals. He was educated at the Naval Academy rather than some namby-pamby liberal university, and spent five-and-a-half years as a prisoner-of-war in the notorious Hanoi Hilton. The heir to Barry Goldwater's Senate seat in Arizona, he's pro-free trade, pro-small government and, unlike his predecessor, pro-life. But he has never shied away from tackling conservative interest groups if he thinks that their focus on single issues (such as tax cuts or opposition to stem-cell research) gets in the way of good government.

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=4079475
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 05:13
Frist obviously. I want our first female president to be a good one, which means I certainly wouldn't vote for Clinton.

Why the heck frist? The guy is crazy, corrupt, and extreme right wing.
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 05:15
Why the heck frist? The guy is crazy, corrupt, and extreme right wing.


Because I'm conservative and I want someone supporting my views in office :)
Kinda Sensible people
25-06-2005, 05:15
In those conditions? Clinton, but I hope to hell to never have to make that choice.
Syniks
25-06-2005, 05:15
GAAK, GAAK, GAAK.

An un-winnable Republican, A baggage-ridden Democrat and a RINO.

Please God, Allah, TInK, Cog, SOMEBODY.... give us a good Libertarian candidate - or at least Condi Rice for the R's to make it interesting.
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 05:16
Because I'm conservative and I want someone supporting my views in office :)

then look to all three branches of the government... :(
[NS]Ihatevacations
25-06-2005, 05:17
If MCCain gets his wits together and jumps ship for independent and Hilalry runs 08 followed by some dman nutcase on thr right like Frist, we may be in for the first third party victory since ever pretty much (even with the party line republicans this is looking at over 50% probability)
JWatkins
25-06-2005, 05:17
Its been suggested that next year Superman is returning to earth. If he does, I'm voting for him :).
Latouria
25-06-2005, 05:18
If I were American, I would never vote Republican, and the only prominent Democrat that impresses me is Howard Dean (okay, maybe Kucinich, but he's a loser anyway), because he had the balls to oppose the Iraq war when everyone else voted for it.

I would check out the candidates the Socialist Party, the Green Party, and any independants (Nader?) and choose from there.
Frog In A Carrot Suit
25-06-2005, 05:18
If those are my choices, I'd vote third party again (I supported Nader in the election and Kucinich in the primaries [he might as well be his own party]). I'm hoping on Russ Feingold getting the democratic nomination though. He's one of the few democrats I'd actually be proud to vote for.
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 05:20
If I were American, I would never vote Republican, and the only prominent Democrat that impresses me is Howard Dean (okay, maybe Kucinich, but he's a loser anyway), because he had the balls to oppose the Iraq war when everyone else voted for it.

I would check out the candidates the Socialist Party, the Green Party, and any independants (Nader?) and choose from there.

yeah, I guess you're right...

'course, the only way the Repubs impress me is how bad they are. The lesser of two evils is better.
Liverbreath
25-06-2005, 05:20
Frist is too weak, and McCain is really a liberal democrat in drag, and a snake to boot. Hilary is well, disgusting among other things.

Rice for Prez!
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 05:21
Where Are You Obama! :'(
Latouria
25-06-2005, 05:21
Why the heck frist? The guy is crazy, corrupt, and extreme right wing.

Not to mention I have serious doubts about medical qualifications.

You can get AIDS from saliva?

Watching a few minuted of video tapes to prove that Terri isn't in PVS?

Where did you get your medical degree?
CSW
25-06-2005, 05:23
Liverbreath']Frist is too weak, and McCain is really a liberal democrat in drag, and a snake to boot. Hilary is well, disgusting among other things.

Rice for Prez!
Liberal democrat my arse. McCain is a GOPer through and through.
Syniks
25-06-2005, 05:25
Where Are You Obama! :'(
OOHhh! Obama vs. Rice... Killer race! (pun intended) :D

Without a good Libertarian I'd have to go Condi...

Ghod, wouldn't it be cool to get somebody like Walter Williams to run as a Libertarian against Condi & Barac?

Wicked! :eek: :D
Syniks
25-06-2005, 05:27
Liberal democrat my arse. McCain is a GOPer through and through.Not according to the GOP.... or the Libertarians.

McCain is totally Manchurian.
JWatkins
25-06-2005, 05:28
Hmmm...I know not that many votes in yet but I'm thinkin:

1. The Democrats really have become unappealing to most people.

OR

2. We have a disproportionate number of "Third Party" minded people on these boards.

Weird. Polls are fun.

Edit: Democratics. sheesh.
Liverbreath
25-06-2005, 05:30
Liberal democrat my arse. McCain is a GOPer through and through.

McCain is a fence sitting, Hilary's big ass kissing, liberal mole.
[NS]Ihatevacations
25-06-2005, 05:30
Where Are You Obama! :'(
Shit I knew I'd vote for him the first day I heard about him, now we wait until he can run
CSW
25-06-2005, 05:32
Not according to the GOP.... or the Libertarians.

McCain is totally Manchurian.
Fine, he's a conservative through and through. Free trade, pro life, interventionalist...
Chellis
25-06-2005, 05:33
Ihatevacations']Shit I knew I'd vote for him the first day I heard about him, now we wait until he can run

Am I the only one who finds this post saddening as hell?
Greenlander
25-06-2005, 05:33
Since McCain is going to be too old by then, he's out. Who's next? Well, I've got it on good authority that Americans like to vote for people named Bush so...Jeb Bush for President! Won't you all be royally pissed! LMAO!!!

:p :D :p
Vodka Bob
25-06-2005, 05:35
If there aren't any libertarians, I would hope for Rep. Ron Paul. He would never run though.
JWatkins
25-06-2005, 05:36
Back in 2000 Dennis Miller had a funny bit where he imagined that the day after McCain became President we'd send bombers over to Vietnam that would be dropping little fliers that read "It's on, Charlie!"

Ahhh, back when Miller was a funny guy...
[NS]Ihatevacations
25-06-2005, 05:37
Am I the only one who finds this post saddening as hell?
Tell me what your political persuasion is in and I will inform you if anyone should care
Vodka Bob
25-06-2005, 05:37
Ahhh, back when Miller was a funny guy...
He still has his moments.

BTW, isn't Biden going to run?
JWatkins
25-06-2005, 05:39
He still has his moments.

BTW, isn't Biden going to run?




Yeah, but I didnt put every potential candidate in cuz it would have been utterly washed out: Everyone with like 3 per cent.

But yah, Biden I think will be a strong contender against Hillary. Not every card-carrying Dem is crazy about her.
Liverbreath
25-06-2005, 05:39
If there aren't any libertarians, I would hope for Rep. Ron Paul. He would never run though.

hehe there's a guy that brings back memories. I worked on his first campain in Pasadena Tx. Good man and one of the few honest ones I ever met in politics.
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 05:40
If I were American, I would never vote Republican, and the only prominent Democrat that impresses me is Howard Dean (okay, maybe Kucinich, but he's a loser anyway), because he had the balls to oppose the Iraq war when everyone else voted for it.


Dean? The guy who says "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for"? The guy who says "Republicans are evil"? The guy who says (I don't have the exact quote) that Republicans never make an honest living? The guy who said the Republicans are nothing but a party of white Christians? If Frist is slightly crazy, then Dean is a frothing lunatic who screams in public (actually, that part is true)!
CSW
25-06-2005, 05:40
Yeah, but I didnt put every potential candidate in cuz it would have been utterly washed out: Everyone with like 3 per cent.

But yah, Biden I think will be a strong contender against Hillary. Not every card-carrying Dem is crazy about her.
Nah, speaking as a native Delawarian he's still going down because of plagerism, just like the last time.


(D-MBNA isn't that popular with the non-delawarian hard core dems either)
Philanchez
25-06-2005, 05:42
Since McCain is going to be too old by then, he's out. Who's next? Well, I've got it on good authority that Americans like to vote for people named Bush so...Jeb Bush for President! Won't you all be royally pissed! LMAO!!!

:p :D :p
do you live in the USA?! or florida... I hate that guy with a passion!!!! he imposes tests on the children in public schools that if they dont pass they have to be held back! im extremely gifted and had trouble with some of the questions!!! on the 8th grade test there were alg 2 and trig questions!!!! besides the fact that he has made the state a hell hole!! he couldnt pass that test... i hate him i hate him i hate him!!!! i wish some people would look at facts before saying things...like pro bush people!!! have you looked at the defecits and where the tax cuts go!!! middle class my arse! i currently began working and i have almost minimum wage yet if im 30 mins below my min hours because of how i was scheduled they can pay me minimum wage which with taxes is barely $4.00 an hour! i need that money you power hungry corrupt corporate bastard(bush)!!!!!!!!
JWatkins
25-06-2005, 05:42
What did he plagarise? I've never heard of that before.
Hell in America
25-06-2005, 05:44
I will vote for whoever PAC88 decides to run, as I would rather have any of their guys get my vote then any of the other people that have been listed so far. So yeah, I will vote NSM/National Socialist
Frog In A Carrot Suit
25-06-2005, 05:45
Dean? The guy who says "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for"? The guy who says "Republicans are evil"? The guy who says (I don't have the exact quote) that Republicans never make an honest living? The guy who said the Republicans are nothing but a party of white Christians?

I know I'm impressed
Vodka Bob
25-06-2005, 05:46
Liverbreath']hehe there's a guy that brings back memories. I worked on his first campain in Pasadena Tx. Good man and one of the few honest ones I ever met in politics.
He is one of the few politicians I favor. I would gladly help his campaign if I lived there. Isn't he the chairman of the RLC?

If Biden did win the nomination he would certainly be the most enigmatic Democrat since Clinton. Hillary shouldn't run, not because of issues but because next to Kennedy, she is one of the strongest Democrats in the senate. Kennedy is the lion and needs to stay in th senate where he is needed most. He will soon retire and Hillary is the only one that can take his place. If she was to run the only people that could replace her would be Obama, or possibly Biden but I doubt it.
Philanchez
25-06-2005, 05:47
Dean? The guy who says "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for"? The guy who says "Republicans are evil"? The guy who says (I don't have the exact quote) that Republicans never make an honest living? The guy who said the Republicans are nothing but a party of white Christians? If Frist is slightly crazy, then Dean is a frothing lunatic who screams in public (actually, that part is true)!
the white christian party thing is mostly true...so is the repubs are evil thing..tax cuts put the country in defecit and only let the rich get richer and the poor poorer...you need to tax the rich more and the poor less...and as far as them amkeing an honest living none of the ones in th ebush cabinet do...most of them have offshsore accounts that are tax free where all thier money is and most (especially cheneys haliburton corp.) make lots of money from bushs tax cuts and wars...oph and noone there actually heard the scream it was a noise discriminateing mic which filtered that out...the college students there didnt actually hear it...
Kwangistar
25-06-2005, 05:48
McCain
CSW
25-06-2005, 05:48
I will vote for whoever PAC88 decides to run, as I would rather have any of their guys get my vote then any of the other people that have been listed so far. So yeah, I will vote NSM/National Socialist
Nazi?
Philanchez
25-06-2005, 05:51
Nazi?
technically but not the nazis you think of... they were facists and racial supremecists... real national socialists are left wingers but the nazi/facist people are right wingers...
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 05:51
the white christian party thing is mostly true...so is the repubs are evil thing..tax cuts put the country in defecit and only let the rich get richer and the poor poorer...you need to tax the rich more and the poor less...and as far as them amkeing an honest living none of the ones in th ebush cabinet do...most of them have offshsore accounts that are tax free where all thier money is and most (especially cheneys haliburton corp.) make lots of money from bushs tax cuts and wars...


Evil? That's a laugh! And guess who got the highest percentage of the tax cut? The middle class and poor. The rich got a tax cut but it wasn't nearly as much as the others...and, as a Republican with a job (you know, not some elitist liberal snob), I can assure you my living is honest...and making money from wars? The Iraqi and Afghan wars have cost far more than we will ever make in profits from those countries.
Greenlander
25-06-2005, 05:52
McCain

McCain will be what? Let's see, 69 this August(I'm not positive) someone fix this if I'm wrong... then by 2008, he will be 72? 72 and You want to hire him for a high stress 4 year job? I don't know, maybe if Jeb Bush is his vice president... :p :eek:
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 05:53
oph and noone there actually heard the scream it was a noise discriminateing mic which filtered that out...the college students there didnt actually hear it...


And it's a good thing they had a mic which reduced the sound of his barbaric war cry. Wouldn't you hate being in the presence of a madman yelling after having lost a primary?
CSW
25-06-2005, 05:54
technically but not the nazis you think of... they were facists and racial supremecists... real national socialists are left wingers but the nazi/facist people are right wingers...
National socalists aren't left wing, through they do toe the line. The key difference is that the industries become the goverment, not the other way around as in left wing societies. Labor unions generally get crushed, and the worker is treated horridly.
Roshni
25-06-2005, 05:58
John McCain is a family man (7 kids! Yikes! .. he might be just a sex freak). I'd vote for him.
Syniks
25-06-2005, 05:59
do you live in the USA?! or florida... I hate that guy with a passion!!!! he imposes tests on the children in public schools that if they dont pass they have to be held back! im extremely gifted and had trouble with some of the questions!!! on the 8th grade test there were alg 2 and trig questions!!!! besides the fact that he has made the state a hell hole!! he couldnt pass that test... i hate him i hate him i hate him!!!! i wish some people would look at facts before saying things...like pro bush people!!! have you looked at the defecits and where the tax cuts go!!! middle class my arse! i currently began working and i have almost minimum wage yet if im 30 mins below my min hours because of how i was scheduled they can pay me minimum wage which with taxes is barely $4.00 an hour! i need that money you power hungry corrupt corporate bastard(bush)!!!!!!!! Given the lucidity of that quote, I can only hope that they raise the bar HIGHER for testing in Florida and stop social promotions altogether. (Psst, FYI, you won't get held back for missing the algebra & trig questions... they are there to see just how "advanced" you really are...) Oh, I forgot...you said "im extremely gifted and had trouble with some of the questions!!!" :rolleyes: I wonder why... ?
Kroisistan
25-06-2005, 06:02
I don't think Hillary will run. Honestly. I'd vote for her(probably have to take a shower afterwords though), she does share my views, and I worry about Frist. Really really worry. If he taps the far right wing, we may have the Christian States of America in 09.

I think we will have a dark horse candidate from the democrats. That or Howard Dean, who I would also vote for. He has more balls than anyone in his party or in the Republicans. I think honestly he is the only one with the Charisma to save the Democratic party, unless there is a really charismatic figure somewhere in the wings. He just needs to call the Republican bullshit at every turn, really stress the Iraq issue, and pick up a really good running mate. If he could get Nader as VP, man he would unite the left. That with a good campaign strategy that will draw on the fence voters, I think he might be able to do it.

Oh, and McCain is no liberal. He sounds like he might start dropping bombs left and right to spread American values. Gotta keep him as far away from that button by any means neccesary. I'd probably vote the Christian agenda before I vote McCain(or Condi honestly) and the cultural lebenstraum agenda.
Liverbreath
25-06-2005, 06:05
He is one of the few politicians I favor. I would gladly help his campaign if I lived there. Isn't he the chairman of the RLC?

If Biden did win the nomination he would certainly be the most enigmatic Democrat since Clinton. Hillary shouldn't run, not because of issues but because next to Kennedy, she is one of the strongest Democrats in the senate. Kennedy is the lion and needs to stay in th senate where he is needed most. He will soon retire and Hillary is the only one that can take his place. If she was to run the only people that could replace her would be Obama, or possibly Biden but I doubt it.

He used to be the chairman but I don't think he is anymore. I worked for him back in 1976 and moved out of the Houston area in 1981, so I didn't really have much information on him until recently. It is a good feeling though to know I was able to pick an individual that could actually keep ahold of his integrity after this many years in politics.

As far a the dems go, I really think they are in deep ka ka and digging in deeper. What I'd give for some old time democrats that supported the middle class at least a little bit.
Kwangistar
25-06-2005, 06:07
McCain will be what? Let's see, 69 this August(I'm not positive) someone fix this if I'm wrong... then by 2008, he will be 72? 72 and You want to hire him for a high stress 4 year job? I don't know, maybe if Jeb Bush is his vice president... :p :eek:
If it would turn out like our last 70-year old (Reagan, who started at 69, so most of it was in his 70's), I'll take it.

Edit : But the Jeb Bush "piss-off Dems factor" is huge - so VP is a good idea. :p
Roshni
25-06-2005, 06:11
I don't think Hillary will run. Honestly. I'd vote for her(probably have to take a shower afterwords though), she does share my views, and I worry about Frist. Really really worry. If he taps the far right wing, we may have the Christian States of America in 09.

I think we will have a dark horse candidate from the democrats. That or Howard Dean, who I would also vote for. He has more balls than anyone in his party or in the Republicans. I think honestly he is the only one with the Charisma to save the Democratic party, unless there is a really charismatic figure somewhere in the wings. He just needs to call the Republican bullshit at every turn, really stress the Iraq issue, and pick up a really good running mate. If he could get Nader as VP, man he would unite the left. That with a good campaign strategy that will draw on the fence voters, I think he might be able to do it.

Oh, and McCain is no liberal. He sounds like he might start dropping bombs left and right to spread American values. Gotta keep him as far away from that button by any means neccesary. I'd probably vote the Christian agenda before I vote McCain(or Condi honestly) and the cultural lebenstraum agenda.

I think McCain would be a guy that would deal with domestic issues better than Bush. I don't think he'll be dropping bombs like Bush did even though he strongly supported the Iraq War.

And I also agree that Howard Dean and Nader would be great.
Letokia
25-06-2005, 06:12
I would only vote for Hillary if she won the Primary...I will NOT be voting for her in the Primary, as she will be a death sentance for our '08 campaign, especially if one of the Republicans who are widely perceived as beng 'centrist' run, like McCain or Giuliani.
Liverbreath
25-06-2005, 06:13
John McCain is a family man (7 kids! Yikes! .. he might be just a sex freak). I'd vote for him.

Well the way he sniffs Hilary's trail there is always that possiblility, but I really don't believe that he's her type.
Liverbreath
25-06-2005, 06:20
I would only vote for Hillary if she won the Primary...I will NOT be voting for her in the Primary, as she will be a death sentance for our '08 campaign, especially if one of the Republicans who are widely perceived as beng 'centrist' run, like McCain or Giuliani.

Neither of them will get the nomination. Too liberal. It will be Rice or someone not yet listed. Any way you look at it though, if Hilary is nominated it's going to be another long drought for dems. She's got way too much baggage with filegate, travelgate, her futures scam, Whitewater and she insulted tammy wynette! (lost arkansas right there) Hell even her own party doesnt want to get too close to her for the most part.
Unified Territories
25-06-2005, 06:22
I will gladly support and vote for Peter Camejo running as the Green Party candidate in 2008, with possibly Cornel West as his running mate. He was Ralph Nader's running mate in 2004 and ran as the Green candidate for governor of California in 2002 and during the recall. Wikipedia has a more detailed biography of him and his old campaign website is still up at www.votecamejo.org. Clinton refuses to speak out against the war and the Patriot Act and supports corporate controlled trade policies. Frist has made a deal with the proverbial "devil" of the Religious Right, and McCain may be for campaign finance reform but he is still a militarist. Independent parties are the best way to enact positive change in our government.
Aldranin
25-06-2005, 06:27
I'd have to go with McCain... I don't like a lot of what he stands for, but I hate Hillary a thousand times more, and Frist is too far to the right for my tastes. Wish you'd have put Giuliani in the choices.
Roshni
25-06-2005, 06:30
Condi as the first female president? First African-American president? First female African-American president?

Pretty darn good.
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 06:40
Condi as the first female president? First African-American president? First female African-American president?

Pretty darn good.


It would be nice, but, sadly, it won't happen :(

I just dread Hillary getting in and sullying the reputation of females everywhere.
Greater Somalia
25-06-2005, 06:53
Among the candidates, John McCain, is the best suit for governance. After sept 11 when Hilary Clinton appeared on the media blaming Canada for allowing the terrorist into America (dead wrong), then I understood that this lady doesn't care about the truth as long it serves her goals.
The Nazz
25-06-2005, 07:07
Given the choices in the poll, it's an easy answer for me--Hillary. She's not my first choice for the Democratic party, and is actually pretty far down my list, as she's a bit too much of a triangulator for me, willing to compromise on important issues, and not nearly as liberal as some would have you believe, but compared with Frist the inept and McCain the more-conservative-than-he-seems-on-tv, Hillary's the only one left worth looking at.
Evinsia
25-06-2005, 07:14
I sure hope Hillary runs. Just for the fact that I can vote against her, and it would make shows like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity more interesting.
Militaristic Morons
25-06-2005, 07:32
All I want, for once, is a nation full of politicians that don't care about their political careers and don't go along with those diversionary party vs. party conflicts. You know, someone who does what he/she honestly thinks is the right thing to do for the people he/she represents. ...Without the "by extension I am the people my decision is my people's decision'' stuff. But mostly I want people who are there for duty only, truly humble leaders of the people.

:( *sigh* But that is an ideal world and is contrary to most people's natures, I think.
Domici
25-06-2005, 07:46
2008 will be the first election I'll be voting in. :D

I'd have to go with McCain. Even though I'd be a registered Democrat.

I'm a registered Democrat, but unless the dems ran someone exceptional I would vote for McCain if, and only if, he ran as an independent. I would take such a partisan break as a sign that he got his balls back from whatever pickle jar Bush has been keeping them in.
Domici
25-06-2005, 07:47
I sure hope Hillary runs. Just for the fact that I can vote against her, and it would make shows like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity more interesting.

And if you switch to a higher viscosity lubricant then getting castrated by a powersaw will be more pleasant. :rolleyes:
Kinda Sensible people
25-06-2005, 07:48
I will gladly support and vote for Peter Camejo running as the Green Party candidate in 2008, with possibly Cornel West as his running mate. He was Ralph Nader's running mate in 2004 and ran as the Green candidate for governor of California in 2002 and during the recall. Wikipedia has a more detailed biography of him and his old campaign website is still up at www.votecamejo.org. Clinton refuses to speak out against the war and the Patriot Act and supports corporate controlled trade policies. Frist has made a deal with the proverbial "devil" of the Religious Right, and McCain may be for campaign finance reform but he is still a militarist. Independent parties are the best way to enact positive change in our government.


I still think that you lot oughta just run Jello Biafra...
Arnburg
25-06-2005, 07:52
My vote would be for Robert Sager of the Peace and Justice Party. For the past 4 elections I have voted this way.

Second choice: The only other just and decent candidate that exsits at present would be Michael Peroutka of the Constitution Party.

Bye bye!
Jamesburgh
25-06-2005, 07:53
Socially moderate and fiscally conservative, Donald Trump would have my vote. You're all fired.
Moxacaine
25-06-2005, 08:02
Amen, brother. Preach it! :)

I WOULD LET SADDAM HUSSEIN RULE THIS COUNTRY BEFORE I LET CONDOLEEZA RICE OR ANY OF THESE OTHER STUPID REPUBLICANS RUN IT. I DONT FAVOR ANY PARTYS BUT THE REP. DONT HAVE ANYONE WITH ENOUGH COMPETENCE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. EVEN THOUGH SHE PROBABLY WILL NOT RUN, I THINK HILARY CLINTON WOULD BE A GREAT CHOICE. THERE ARE TO MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT JUST FOLLOW A PARTY AND DONT ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING. LETS START LOOKING AT THE ISSUES PEOPLE.
Moxacaine
25-06-2005, 08:03
Amen, brother. Preach it! :)

I WOULD LET SADDAM HUSSEIN RULE THIS COUNTRY BEFORE I LET CONDOLEEZA RICE OR ANY OF THESE OTHER STUPID REPUBLICANS RUN IT. I DONT FAVOR ANY PARTYS BUT THE REP. DONT HAVE ANYONE WITH ENOUGH COMPETENCE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. EVEN THOUGH SHE PROBABLY WILL NOT RUN, I THINK HILARY CLINTON WOULD BE A GREAT CHOICE. THERE ARE TO MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT JUST FOLLOW A PARTY AND DONT ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING. LETS START LOOKING AT THE ISSUES PEOPLE.
Neo Rogolia
25-06-2005, 08:12
I WOULD LET SADDAM HUSSEIN RULE THIS COUNTRY BEFORE I LET CONDOLEEZA RICE OR ANY OF THESE OTHER STUPID REPUBLICANS RUN IT. I DONT FAVOR ANY PARTYS BUT THE REP. DONT HAVE ANYONE WITH ENOUGH COMPETENCE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. EVEN THOUGH SHE PROBABLY WILL NOT RUN, I THINK HILARY CLINTON WOULD BE A GREAT CHOICE. THERE ARE TO MANY OF YOU OUT THERE THAT JUST FOLLOW A PARTY AND DONT ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING. LETS START LOOKING AT THE ISSUES PEOPLE.


*fixes his caps lock key* There ya go hon. ;)
Intangelon
25-06-2005, 10:05
Jim Jeffords, Arlen Spector, Sam Nunn, Daniel Inouye, John McCain and John Edwards, among the living.

Among the dead, Paul Wellstone.

Among the plants, a small blackberry thatch I met once in Bellingham.

Among the minerals, bauxite.

Among the semiprecious gemstones, sugilite, lapis lazuli or malachite.

Among the precious gems, amethyst, sapphire and tanzanite (though they tend to be brittle).

Among the silly candidates, Jethro Q. Walrustitty or Raymond Luxury Yacht.

Among the noble gases, argon or xenon.

And finally, among the fictional, Marvin the Paranoid Android, Cutter (Blood of Ten Chiefs), Gregg Hartman and the Puppeteer with a side order of Ti Malice, or Ace Rimmer.
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 10:22
Evil? That's a laugh! And guess who got the highest percentage of the tax cut? The middle class and poor. The rich got a tax cut but it wasn't nearly as much as the others...and, as a Republican with a job (you know, not some elitist liberal snob), I can assure you my living is honest...and making money from wars? The Iraqi and Afghan wars have cost far more than we will ever make in profits from those countries.

hehe, you don't know Halliburton. you know, there was a study that said that for every dead GI, Dick Cheney gets $230. Imagine how much money he's makin.
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 10:27
Liverbreath']What I'd give for some old time democrats that supported the middle class at least a little bit.

we don't? 86% of unions that donated in 2004 gave money to the dems. our main support comes from minorities and the poor. Duh, we aren't gonna favor the rich.the only reason we aren't doing anything is cuz we can't. Repubs, due to cheating, now controll all three branches of the government. What the hell can we do without cheating ourselves? Talk about moral values...
Dakota Land
25-06-2005, 10:32
do you live in the USA?! or florida... I hate that guy with a passion!!!! he imposes tests on the children in public schools that if they dont pass they have to be held back! im extremely gifted and had trouble with some of the questions!!! on the 8th grade test there were alg 2 and trig questions!!!! besides the fact that he has made the state a hell hole!! he couldnt pass that test... i hate him i hate him i hate him!!!! i wish some people would look at facts before saying things...like pro bush people!!! have you looked at the defecits and where the tax cuts go!!! middle class my arse! i currently began working and i have almost minimum wage yet if im 30 mins below my min hours because of how i was scheduled they can pay me minimum wage which with taxes is barely $4.00 an hour! i need that money you power hungry corrupt corporate bastard(bush)!!!!!!!!

my kinda guy :)
Lunatic Goofballs
25-06-2005, 10:33
Jim Jeffords, Arlen Spector, Sam Nunn, Daniel Inouye, John McCain and John Edwards, among the living.

Among the dead, Paul Wellstone.

Among the plants, a small blackberry thatch I met once in Bellingham.

Among the minerals, bauxite.

Among the semiprecious gemstones, sugilite, lapis lazuli or malachite.

Among the precious gems, amethyst, sapphire and tanzanite (though they tend to be brittle).

Among the silly candidates, Jethro Q. Walrustitty or Raymond Luxury Yacht.

Among the noble gases, argon or xenon.

And finally, among the fictional, Marvin the Paranoid Android, Cutter (Blood of Ten Chiefs), Gregg Hartman and the Puppeteer with a side order of Ti Malice, or Ace Rimmer.

YAY! :D

AMong foods, Tacos and peanut butter cups.

Among animals, A skunk and A waterbuffalo.

Among motor vehicles, A honda scooter and a 4wd van.

Among geographical features, The Floridian Peninsula and a pool of quicksand.

Among space aliens, The Bleen of Klarfle VII and Yarg The Obliterator from the Dark Nebula.

Among semiliquids, mud and silly putty.

Finally, from among microscopic life forms, E.Coli bacteria and dust mites.

:D
Blu-tac
25-06-2005, 10:42
Margaret Thatcher should become president, despite the fact she'd probably die during her 1st term and its unconstitutional, but she was a good PM, so she should therefore be a good president of the US.
Super-power
25-06-2005, 13:18
McCain!
But if he's not running then I'd vote LP
Lunatic Goofballs
26-06-2005, 09:01
McCain!
But if he's not running then I'd vote LP

Oh, speaking of McCain, I'd also vote for french fries. :D
Pantylvania
26-06-2005, 09:18
Bill Frist isn't a senator, by the way. He's a representative. House majority leader.Tom Delay would be interested to learn about that