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Okay since I always see war debates(most I start) about which major powers would win in a war? but lets wonder about the weaker powers....

Who would win in a war(I mean total war too)
Canada or Mexico



And why?

Canada. They've got moose. And they probably have ninjas.

Canada. They've got moose. And they probably have ninjas.

yes the infamous canadian ninja!

Canada! They have Wolverine! What does Mexico have? ;)

Depends where it's fought and how it begins.

And I suppose you mean direct conflict without any foreign interference?

Canada! They have Wolverine! What does Mexico have? ;)

alcoholics?, they are a bit more dedicated though, and they can really overwhelm your border!

Depends where it's fought and how it begins.

And I suppose you mean direct conflict without any foreign interference?

okay the battle is going to be fought in france, thats right france!

Canada.

The only way for Mexico to win would be if they shared a border.

This is because Canada would committ most of it's workforce to war. Then, when all the kids are working the factories, the illegal immigrants would come in and take the jobs from them.

The illegal immigrants would do shoddy work, thus effectively sabotaging the Canada war machine from the inside. This would also undermine public support and troop morale(who can support of fight a war when the bombers are falling apart midair, or guns not or mis-firing).

AND, because the immigrants have taken all the jobs, the Canadians would starve. Boom Mexico wins.

Canada.

The only way for Mexico to win would be if they shared a border.

This is because Canada would committ most of it's workforce to war. Then, when all the kids are working the factories, the illegal immigrants would come in and take the jobs from them.

The illegal immigrants would do shoddy work, thus effectively sabotaging the Canada war machine from the inside. This would also undermine public support and troop morale(who can support of fight a war when the bombers are falling apart midair, or guns not or mis-firing).

AND, because the immigrants have taken all the jobs, the Canadians would starve. Boom Mexico wins.

your logic is amazing, you are now the leader of canada all hail lord adanac!

Not sure, but I'd say Canada. Mexico would be tough to beat due to the fact that there are Oh so many of them but Canada has Moose and they're ex-British, making them much stronger. And flying ninjas of course. But if you count foreign influences, California would most likely get involved (Hey, 54% of us ARE Mexican you know), thus dragging the US in against The Brits and the french. Big, big mess. Unless none of the mother countries decide to get involved in which case, the Canucks will win.

Mexico won at the Alamo but Canada burned down Washington.

Canada would win, better fighters.

Mexico won at the Alamo but Canada burned down Washington.

Canada would win, better fighters.
do they have fighters? and ahh the USA isn't involved here.... no super powers involved just Canada Vs Mexico!

OK, if ANY country invaded Canada, the other country would be rolling in with their tanks and WMD, while Canadians would be running around with our hockey sticks checking people. Why? WE DON'T HAVE A MILITARY!

So Mexico would win

OK, if ANY country invaded Canada, the other country would be rolling in with their tanks and WMD, while Canadians would be running around with our hockey sticks checking people. Why? WE DON'T HAVE A MILITARY!

So Mexico would win
ahh canada has a very strong military, I am surprised too but they do have on, quite large too....

Leader of Canada?

YES!!!*scratches out item on To-Do List*

Attention all Canadians!!!

We march to WAR. Swarm the BORDER, LEAVE NO ALASKAN ALIVE!!!!

It's high time we took what should be ours.

*calls in STRIKE FORCE CANADIAN NINJAS*

Canada of course. All the Mexicans are hiding in the US. Well, except for the government and there's seldom anyone home there.

Hahahaha. anyone here see Canadian Bacon(The movie)? Really dumb movie with a hilarious scene where the three near-retarded Americans are pushing and shoving hoards of Canadians out of their way, and all you hear is the Canadians going "Oh sorry Sir", "Pardon Me, I was in your way".

do they have fighters? and ahh the USA isn't involved here.... no super powers involved just Canada Vs Mexico!

Push comes to shove, they are pretty tough. Just ask any WWII vet.

Canadian soldiers proved to be TOUGH in both WW1 and WW2.
They also innovated in some difficult situations. In WW1, they used lacrosse sticks to throw grenades to German trenches. It proved to be safe, effective, deadly and fun.

In WW2, a French Canadian battalion was used on the raid to Dieppe, in order to test German defenses. It was supposed to be some kind of a suicide mission, but the managed to conquer & hold some ground before retreating. Everybody was surprised.

The Canadian army is currently in a bad shape, but we have very well trained pilots and CF-18 jets (a modified version of the F18, with improved electronic displays).

Canada has a very weak marine, though. Our ships are outdated and in bad shape. Currently, our best ships are by far our ice breakers. We could outfit them with cannons. Their hulls are EXTREMELY hardy, they could really cut Mexican corvettes in two.


I really don't know about Mexico's armies though.

In total war, Mexico would probably win with conscripts and rifles, etc. In anything less than total war, however, probably the much better equiped and trained canadians.

Not that either nation could ever invade the other, neither has enough ships for a large invasion.

do they have fighters? and ahh the USA isn't involved here.... no super powers involved just Canada Vs Mexico!
I kn ow but America is the great power of today...I was just comparing the damages both nations inflicted on the U.S.A. as a joke.

Canada would win.

Canada is the second most likely country to take over the world. The only country they need to watch out for is Japan, which just happens to be the most likely country to take over the world.

Notice I only listed countries. As for entities they're in fifth place and Japan is in third falling behind me and Oprah.

As much as I like Canada, I would have to say Mexico in this one. Why? Mexico is battle harden. They have been fighting guirella warreors for awhile so they have battle experience. Only a handful of Canadians can say that.

SO I really hate to say this but Mexico would win.

Yes but Mexico has the water. THE WATER MAN! THE HORROR!
And they had the aztec empire! Canada ain't got crap.

As much as I like Canada, I would have to say Mexico in this one. Why? Mexico is battle harden. They have been fighting guirella warreors for awhile so they have battle experience. Only a handful of Canadians can say that.

SO I really hate to say this but Mexico would win.

Running from border patrol agents with rucksacks full of dope on their back hardly qualifies one as a guirella warreors and drive by shootings and pot shots across the Rio Grande do not establish battle experience no matter how you twist it.

Leader of Canada?

YES!!!*scratches out item on To-Do List*

Attention all Canadians!!!

We march to WAR. Swarm the BORDER, LEAVE NO ALASKAN ALIVE!!!!

It's high time we took what should be ours.

*calls in STRIKE FORCE CANADIAN NINJAS*
dammit your fighting mexico not USA, not to mention if you did fight us, wisonsin alone could take you down, even with your ninjas

Soon as the Canucks got a taste of pure Mexican tequila, right from the blue agave, Mexico would win hands down.

One - canada has 2x military spending. But Mexico could overwhelm us with numbers. Suppose the US was reduced to an unibhabited strip between us and Mexico. We could bomb the crap out of thier logistics trains and troop columns, and they couldn't do squat.

Soon as the Canucks got a taste of pure Mexican tequila, right from the blue agave, Mexico would win hands down.
We make much better alcohol than they do.
Canadian Whisky, Fine Seve (maple alcohol), Niagara Icewine, hydromel (honey wine), cider, ...

There are a number of factors to consider here.

On the Canadian side, they have a better trained military, they are in NATO, and they have better relations with Europe and the US.

On the Mexican side, they have experience, they are probably more willing to be drafted (I dunno about that one) they have diseases that would hurt an invading army and there are lots of them in the US.

So... I voted Canada, because NATO might intervene, but I think it would be hard for them to conquer Mexico, and, as in all wars, every side loses.

We make much better alcohol than they do.
Canadian Whisky, Fine Seve (maple alcohol), Niagara Icewine, hydromel (honey wine), cider, ...
wait WAIT!!! there is actually a maple alcohol drink!!!! you guys need to get off the maple for christ sakes, its taking over your minds!

Canada would win.

They kicked ass in WW1 and WW2, they can do it again today against a weaker opponent. (Weaker than Germany that is)

Need I say more?

dammit your fighting mexico not USA, not to mention if you did fight us, wisonsin alone could take you down, even with your ninjas

I'm from Texas, that should make up for what the Canadians are lacking militarily(all us Texans are battle-trained for the day when we rise up against our American oppessors..crap, that was supposed to be a secret)

Besides, we just want Alaska, we'll give you something of equal value when I start building the Empire of Canada.

All Hail and Long Live Adanac Gordon!!!!

wait WAIT!!! there is actually a maple alcohol drink!!!! you guys need to get off the maple for christ sakes, its taking over your minds!
YEAH it's 40% strong alcohol, and it tastes a bit like a Glenmorangie Portwood scotch. Very strong, but you can taste some sweetness... if you survive.
Hard to find in stores, but one of the best alcohols you could dream to taste.
I'll just drink a glass now. Hehehe. :D

Neither! They'd ally and form

Canada-Mexico-San Marino!

Their combined power would be more than sufficient to take over Thailand!

Canada! They have Wolverine! What does Mexico have? ;)

speedy gonzales, perhapse? A fast mouse to run across the canadian boarder and helps steal weapons. Yeah! That would be perfect! ;)

Mexico won at the Alamo but Canada burned down Washington.

Canada would win, better fighters.

Washington DC was burned by Admiral Sir George Cockburn (born in London) and General Robert Ross (born in Northern Ireland). The expedition was carried out between August 19 and August 29, 1814.

Please cite ANY souces you can that these British officers were leading Canadian troops. I can't find a single site that doesn't say "British troops".

"In July, another task force under the command of Admiral William Cochrane, commander of Royal Navy forces on the North American station, arrived in the Chesapeake. The transports in Cochrane's command carried a landing force of approximately 5,400 British Army regulars under Major General John Ross, a veteran of the Peninsular Campaign in Europe. The objective of joint naval and ground campaign was the capture and sacking of Washington in response to the American torching of Toronto in Canada the previous year."
http://www.exwar.org/Htm/8000PopB2.htm

One - canada has 2x military spending. But Mexico could overwhelm us with numbers. Suppose the US was reduced to an unibhabited strip between us and Mexico. We could bomb the crap out of thier logistics trains and troop columns, and they couldn't do squat.

106 million Mexicans vs. 32 million Canadians.. hmmm...

(I bet on the Mexicans.)

Washington DC was burned by Admiral Sir George Cockburn (born in London) and General Robert Ross (born in Northern Ireland). The expedition was carried out between August 19 and August 29, 1814.

Please cite ANY souces you can that these British officers were leading Canadian troops. I can't find a single site that doesn't say "British troops".

"In July, another task force under the command of Admiral William Cochrane, commander of Royal Navy forces on the North American station, arrived in the Chesapeake. The transports in Cochrane's command carried a landing force of approximately 5,400 British Army regulars under Major General John Ross, a veteran of the Peninsular Campaign in Europe. The objective of joint naval and ground campaign was the capture and sacking of Washington in response to the American torching of Toronto in Canada the previous year."
http://www.exwar.org/Htm/8000PopB2.htm


well they were made because we did burn down york(toronto), that was a kind of an odd war.... neither side won nor lost, its like we shot eachother both in the foot...

Canada.

The only way for Mexico to win would be if they shared a border.

This is because Canada would committ most of it's workforce to war. Then, when all the kids are working the factories, the illegal immigrants would come in and take the jobs from them.

The illegal immigrants would do shoddy work, thus effectively sabotaging the Canada war machine from the inside. This would also undermine public support and troop morale(who can support of fight a war when the bombers are falling apart midair, or guns not or mis-firing).

AND, because the immigrants have taken all the jobs, the Canadians would starve. Boom Mexico wins.

This point, while good, is null. Canada does share a border with the Mexicans, OUR border. :D Really, there are so freaking many here they could use America as a staging area to send in hordes of laborers to sabotage Canada's economy just as you described.

106 million Mexicans vs. 32 million Canadians.. hmmm...

(I bet on the Mexicans.)
numbers aren't everything, case and point WWII(germany was only a portion of the population of europe but managed to take over the entire continent....)

the mexicans have migrant workers.... they would beat down the canooks with fresh picked produce!

numbers aren't everything, case and point WWII(germany was only a portion of the population of europe but managed to take over the entire continent....)

Right, but that took a very specific series of events to occur. In this "scenario", it's not like we're told that something happened ahead of time, like the French leaving the Rhur or the powers betraying Czechoslovakia or something.

I mean, if it says that the Quebecois ally themselves with the Mexicans, that'd change things. But as it is, since no "events" are posted, I have to go by numbers... in this case, 3:1.

the mexicans have migrant workers.... they would beat down the canooks with fresh picked produce!

ahh I can see it now.....

you see a canadian batalion in a trench waiting for the mexicans to come but they don't come its silence... then suddenly cabbages and organes rain down on them... the horror the horror!!!... you see the veterens shotting wildly in the air while you see the younger and less expeience officers on the ground crying by seeing their best friend die by an organe to the head.....

*shivers*..

Hmm, where are we supposing this War would take place? the US would definitely suffer some damage as a result.

Canada could invade mexico since the mexican navy is mainly a coastal defence force, not able to project power to far, the US would probably allow Canadian forces forward bases access, while claiming neutrality. Mexico has a major difficulty. As soon as Canada invades they face threats from Marxist insurgents in the South, possibly influenced by the Canadians, so Mexico would be fighting a two front war with the US coming out against mexico. The WAR would be over very quickly.

This point, while good, is null. Canada does share a border with the Mexicans, OUR border. :D Really, there are so freaking many here they could use America as a staging area to send in hordes of laborers to sabotage Canada's economy just as you described.

Yes, but the new Empire of Canada has closed it's borders...we're kicking out everyone who hasn't been here for at least...three years...We're also building a giant 15ft concrete and barbed wire wall that extends along the border from coast to coast, with well-paid armed guards patrolling at all times.

It shall be called The Glorious Barrier of the Canadian Empire.

Right, but that took a very specific series of events to occur. In this "scenario", it's not like we're told that something happened ahead of time, like the French leaving the Rhur or the powers betraying Czechoslovakia or something.

I mean, if it says that the Quebecois ally themselves with the Mexicans, that'd change things. But as it is, since no "events" are posted, I have to go by numbers... in this case, 3:1.

a tech advantage overwieghs the numbers advantage(U.S. invasion of Iraq, they had like 10:1 advatage)...

Yes, but the new Empire of Canada has closed it's borders...we're kicking out everyone who hasn't been here for at least...three years...We're also building a giant 15ft concrete and barbed wire wall that extends along the border from coast to coast, with well-paid armed guards patrolling at all times.

It shall be called The Glorious Barrier of the Canadian Empire.

your abusing your power that I have bestoyed upon you!

ADANAC!

Neither! They'd ally and form

Canada-Mexico-San Marino!

Their combined power would be more than sufficient to take over Thailand!

What's this then? The "Axis of countries that end in a vowel"?

What's this then? The "Axis of countries that end in a vowel"?

that would be a lot my friend, there goes north america!!

your abusing your power that I have bestoyed upon you!

ADANAC!

Oops! I was just doing what I thought was best for my adopted people.

We can open the borders again and not take over Alaska. In my opinion though, we should keep the Glorious Barrier of Canada... it might come in useful if Mexico takes a liking to our ice hockey, trees, and moose.
We will put in gates though...we need the money from tourism.

What's this then? The "Axis of countries that end in a vowel"?

No, the alliance of unexpected countries! Like San Marino, which comprises a three-mile estate.

something funny my friend just said:

goose is singlar geese are plural right?
what about moose? are there any meese?


Idiots I know and love...

As soon as Canada invades they face threats from Marxist insurgents in the South, possibly influenced by the Canadians
Hmmm that's a good point. We could definitely arm the Zapatistas and open a second front in the South. Four states in the Yucatan peninsula would fall quickly, but they're of little stragetic importance. But near Cozumel we could install a naval base and a military landing strip. With sufficient help, the Zapatistas could be able to stir social trouble, arm more rebels, and gain control of land to the north, up to Puebla. Their offensive would have to stop a few hundred kilometers south of Puebla, as they would need a lot of heavy support (tanks and all) to take such a big city. But this second front would stretch the Mexican army very thin.

One big problem is that the Sierra Madre makes Mexico City and most major centers very well defended and impossible to reach by land. Guadalajara is also well defended by the mountains. The Aztecs, and then the Spaniards did a very good job when they chose the location of their most strategic cities. Their major centers are in the mountains, and not is coastal areas.

In comparison, Canadian cities are very vulnerable because they're located along plains, coasts and sea fronts. We'd have to take extra care defending Halifax, which is especially exposed and vulnerable.

By the way, I think Quebec would stay with Canada if there is a military threat against the country. Independance debates and other matters can be put aside when there is a critical situation. After all, we kinda like the rest of Canada, and we would fight to death to defend them against an agression.

goose is singlar geese are plural right?
what about moose? are there any meese?
Just...
choose cheese

Canada. They've got moose. And they probably have ninjas.
I heard they even have super-ninja-moose. How can anyone defeat that?
Of course Mexico has El Mariachi and Canada is lacking their most potent weapon - Jim Carey cause he's now got a US passport. So tough call.

ahh canada has a very strong military, I am surprised too but they do have on, quite large too....

Man for man, Canada has one of the best militaries around, so in that respect Canada would win.
Mexico probably has more up to date equipment, so maybe they would win.
On the other hand, the corrupt Mexican government could be bribed to throw the fight and, once again, Canada would win.

Yah, I think Canada should win!!!!!!

a tech advantage overwieghs the numbers advantage(U.S. invasion of Iraq, they had like 10:1 advatage)...

By March 17, 2003, around 270,000 U.S. and British troops were in the region.

The key units Iraq depended on to stop the Coalition were six Republican
Guard divisions (strength: 85,000), two Special Republican Guard brigades,
two Special Forces brigades (strength: 15,000), and internal security
forces. The Iraqi Army was 300,000 strong.

http://www.public-domain-content.com/War/Gulf_War/US_plan_to_invade_Iraq.shtml

... A wash numerically, but the Iraqis had never recovered from the First Gulf War in 1991.

Now in Canada vs. Mexico, I don't think the technology advantage for the Candians is really that high. Tack on that Canada only spends $9,801.7 million on it's military vs. $6.043 billion for Mexico... I'm just not convinced. :)

It shall be called The Glorious Barrier of the Canadian Empire.
Dude, call it like, Hadrian's Wall II.

Dude, call it like, Hadrian's Wall II.

Nah, I think we'll call it

The Isolation Wall.

Because everyone knows the rest of the world is too primitive for Canadian interaction to occur, and needs to be isolated. ;)

(Wow, I'm saying this and I'm not Canadian, nor have I ever been to Canada0

Okay since I always see war debates(most I start) about which major powers would win in a war? but lets wonder about the weaker powers....

Who would win in a war(I mean total war too)
Canada or Mexico

And why?
Well, let's see .... if Canada and Mexico went to war, the battleground would most likely be the central tier of American States, so I would have to say the winner would be ... the US! We would have to kick both their asses to make them leave and play nice. :D

Nobody would win. Neither country would be able to occupy the other. The US can barely occupy Iraq, and you expect Canada to occupy Mexico? Or the other way around? Not bloody likely.

That being said, I voted for Canada because our military is probably a lot better trained and equipped. And the weather. Remember what happened to the Nazis in Russia?

Nobody would win. Neither country would be able to occupy the other. The US can barely occupy Iraq, and you expect Canada to occupy Mexico? Or the other way around? Not bloody likely.

That being said, I voted for Canada because our military is probably a lot better trained and equipped. And the weather. Remember what happened to the Nazis in Russia?
Or to the Russians in Finland? :D

Interesting discussion. Am a war freak myself....

In this scenario we can take few things into consideration. Firstly the resources. Industrial strength I figure would be on the Canadian side though human resources would lean on the Mexicans. Secondly the experience factor, I would agree that Mexicans may have more of it than Canada but that's not to say that Canada knows nothing of war experience. World War 2 can be a testiment to that.

In a logical world scenario, it is definite that any conflict would usually drag the allies of either nation, to which this end I think would be in favor of Canada. But as to IF (big IF there) this was to be a conflict of just the two sides, then I have to say it will most likely end up in a stalemate. what would probably happen is that one side will launch a surprise attack, (Blitzkrieg style) to which the defenders will fall back and regroup. the begins a bloody contest of both sides, to which if the UN doesn't impose some sort of cease fire or something, the agressor would be worn down and forced to fall back but the defender itself would not have the strength to push on.

Why? because even a nation with an army that is highly trained and best equipped in all the world will have difficulty trying to maintain a presence on foreign land which they probably have bested in open field battle. Now we're talking about 'lesser' powers, so I think either side will have to rule out long term occupation.

At least, that's what I think.

while the mexicans are taking siesta, canadian troops will ride in on mooseback and take all all their sweet, sweet reefer. this would cripple mexico, and in a rage, all their forces would plunge into battle with lawnmower blades. since the canadian soldiers are high and dont believe in guns, they panic and are slaughtered. however, right before crushing defeat, the rest of canada comes to the rescue and mexico is defeated by a swarm of bad pop-punk, flannel and quebec.

...oh yea, and the lumberjacks can axe them to death, if you want actual fighting.

1000 million Chinese vs. 300 million Americans.. hmmm...

(I bet on the Chinese.)

Obviously a misquote, but would you(or anyone else) agree to this too? Not asking as a rhetorical question or anything.

OK, here's a scenario. My little piece of fiction.

After a major earthquake on the Pacific coast, the US is in big trouble and California is reduced to rubble.
As a result of this major quake, another earthquake happens -- in the middle of the Atlantic this time. Right in the middle of the ocean, on the ridge, a volcanic island appears -- and sends tsunamis to the east coast. With 2 major disasters in hand, its coasts devastated and hundreds of thousands of internal refugees, the US doesn't have the time or the resources to claim this new piece of real estate (which is 1/10 the size of Iceland).

However, both Canada and Mexico are interested. This land would come with a large fishing zone, right in the middle of the ocean! This piece of real estate is considered of interesting value for Canada -- an island with a mild climate, near the Bermudas. Wow!

Mexico would like to install a military base on this island, as well as a commercial hub -- imagine, a commercial airport and a duty-free port right in the middle of the Atlantic. New flight corridors could be open between America and Europe+Africa. Huge profits at hand! Mexico could have their own private Singapore.

But both countries have to hurry, because a British scientific mission is expected to arrive soon. The brazilians and the cubans have also shown some interest, but they're waiting to see what the other players will do.

A Canadian research vessel studying the Gulf Stream is quickly diverted south, and a few military ships and submarines are sent as well -- but they'll arrive there much later.

In Mexico, they have a little trouble finding a proper ship (as they're all busy helping the Americans cope with their Pacific Coast disaster... along with Canadian ships!) So they send a transport plane to drop a military commando on the tiny island. However, the plane suffers from an engine failure and is lost at sea. A group of survivors is left on a raft -- a few kilometers from the new island. With some weapons. And patriotism.

As the canadian research ship -- very lightly armed -- is getting closer, the Mexican team sends a SOS signal. They are promply rescued by the ship, but then they learn that the Canadians are trying to get to the island first. They devise a plan -- take control of the ship, by any means possible, and make sure a Mexican soldier gets on the island first.

A Canadian transmission is picked up by the Mexican army, and they understand what's at stake. They still have no decent ship to send, so they decide to send a few more military planes patrolling over the island.

As the Canadian research ship comes close to the island, the Mexican commando takes action. They butcher their way to the captain's cabin, but they're welcomed by pistol fire -- a desperate act. The situation degenerates, flare guns are used inside the ship, and there's a major fire onboard, which eats through the whole electric system. Soon enough, the ship is disabled and starts drifting towards the island. All this happened in less than 30 minutes, but before contact was lost with the ship, the canadian army -- in shock after learning what had just happened -- sends a CF-18 squadron and a troop transport plane, with authorization to cross the American air space and land in Bermuda.

As the Mexican planes, circling over the ship, soon discover, the Mexican commando had been neutralized during the fire (in a blanket of black, toxic smoke) and the Canadians are trying to launch their ship's helicopter. One of the trigger-happy Mexican pilots -- a young, inexperienced one -- gets too nervous and drops an explosive charge on the Canadian ship -- fooooom! For the Canadian CF-18 pilots arriving near the scene, this means war -- despite protestations from the Mexican government and diplomats, who insist the Canadians had damaged the ship themselves while they were trying to kill the poor little Mexican naufragees. (Y'know, diplomacy and stuff.)

Canadian planes are ordered to fire a few warning shots, but the Mexican pilots, knowing what they have just done, take it as a direct threat -- they shoot their air-air missiles towards the Canadian planes. The Canadian planes, being CF-18s equipped with the bare minimum (and thus, highly maneuverable), evade the missiles, and shoot their own air-air missiles (2 each) on the Mexican planes. None of the missiles miss their targets, but one of the Canadian planes goes down after an engine failure -- the pilot opens his parachute... and then... lands safely on the island! Without any Canadian flag, though.

Mexico contests the Canadian claim on the island. They send their own ships and reinforcements to the Atlantic, and at the same time they quickly sink all Canadian boats in the Pacific. The Canadians, being totally owned at sea, start bombing Mexican ports, in surgical strikes. A long and bloody war has just begun, and the US will try not to get too involved -- until their military might is restored and their coastal cities and bases will be rebuilt! Then...

Did the quake and tsunami destroy Hollywierd too???

Did the quake and tsunami destroy Hollywierd too???
Arnie surfed through. Damn.

IF they went to war, which is highly improbable, I'd imagine the Canadians would use Tech superiority to whipe out all mechanized elements of the Mexican army, Air Force, Tanks, Mech Inf., Navy, etc.


The Canadians would'nt occupy em' though. Too small a force.


So technically, Canada would 'win'

Obviously a misquote, but would you(or anyone else) agree to this too? Not asking as a rhetorical question or anything.

That depends. Are we fighting in China or the US?
Unlike a CAN/MEX battle, the Chinese have no way to get to the US. The US doesn't have enough people to occupy China. Stalemate.

(I'm assuming a non-nuclear confrontation without a Chinese Democratic Front trying to overthrow the current regime.)

Did the quake and tsunami destroy Hollywierd too???

Hope not. It's one of our few industries that still exports... :(

Yes but Mexico has the water. THE WATER MAN! THE HORROR!
And they had the aztec empire! Canada ain't got crap.
Compromise would win the day, Canada vs Mexico, i mean come-on. :p , There is no hatred between our countries. Since Canadians are masters of compromise, we would trade some land , we re not using all of ours anyways, and Pamela Anderson, for some beachfront property and Salma Hayek. sound fair?

Canadian soldiers proved to be TOUGH in both WW1 and WW2.
They also innovated in some difficult situations. In WW1, they used lacrosse sticks to throw grenades to German trenches. It proved to be safe, effective, deadly and fun.


Canadians had the most success on D-Day. They made the furthest inroads into Normandy from the beachead from landing.



In WW2, a French Canadian battalion was used on the raid to Dieppe, in order to test German defenses. It was supposed to be some kind of a suicide mission, but the managed to conquer & hold some ground before retreating. Everybody was surprised.


For many, it was a suicide mission. And it was not just the Canadians who were there, but British Commandos and American Rangers also.

Everybody was surprised yes. Surprised at what a mess it was.

The beach and houses was heavily fortified, and the tanks supporting the infantry nearly all got wiped out upon landing.

The Germans themselves said it "mocked all rules of military strategy and logic."

Concerning a Canada vs Mexico War, Canada, like Australia and New Zealand is a Commonwealth Realm, or Dominion of the UK in a loose sense.

This means that the UK and probably Australia and New Zealand could well intervene on Canada's side as part of this bond.

The EU would probably side with Canada, and the US, having a resurgence of "remember the Alamo!" and not wanting Mexico to have an influence in Canada on it's borders, would probably side with Canada too.

Has anyone read this?

http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml

Whoever said that Canada burned Washington should be ashamed not knowing basic History it was the British during the War of 1812

Mexico, how many more Mexicans would fight like all then the Mexicans would get the spanish to help then were at global conflict.

Okay since I always see war debates(most I start) about which major powers would win in a war? but lets wonder about the weaker powers....

Who would win in a war(I mean total war too)
Canada or Mexico



And why?
"Is doing a bush impression" America....will uh...win this conflict..because we is the greatest nationin the world.Crush the insurgency with uhhh nuca...nucal...nuucalr missiles.

Die Mexico (and/or) Canada! :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:

Well, it wouldnt be a conventional war... I think it would be more of a friendly drinking match.

On that note, I pick Canada... because even though both nations are full of surly drunks... I think we Canadians have mastered the political, non-hostile, drinking matches. I mean, after all... that is how our government was actually formed (its true, Canadian history reads like the content of a liquor distribution company).

Besides, its a well known fact that we have maple syrup on our sides... that settles it right there! :)

Well, it wouldnt be a conventional war... I think it would be more of a friendly drinking match.

On that note, I pick Canada... because even though both nations are full of surly drunks... I think we Canadians have mastered the political, non-hostile, drinking matches. I mean, after all... that is how our government was actually formed (its true, Canadian history reads like the content of a liquor distribution company).

Besides, its a well known fact that we have maple syrup on our sides... that settles it right there! :)
But they have Tequila Worms.

But they have Tequila Worms.
Bah, no match for our beavers.

Canada! They have Wolverine! What does Mexico have? ;)

Mexicans have millions of drugbarons and thug so, they'll win :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

Sigh... several of you need to brush up on the definition of "total war". Total war means that you do everything you can in order to absolutely destroy the enemy, no occupation necassary.
So, canada's superior airforce bombs mexican supply lines, napalms fields, and starves them into surrender or death, while the valiant mexican army is struggling to get anywhere with only the supplies they are carrying with them.

Concerning a Canada vs Mexico War, Canada, like Australia and New Zealand is a Commonwealth Realm, or Dominion of the UK in a loose sense.
That's not correct. While Australia is still a member of the Commonwealth, we left behind Dominion status on 1 January, 1901, when Australia was Federated. New Zealand, however, is still a dominion. But that doesn't mean either nation would get involved in such a confrontation.

Bah, no match for our beavers.

True! I've seen lots of beavers up in Canada, and boy, are they resilient! They take a pounding, but keep coming back for more... and they do it in all sorts of places! None of that "oh, I don't want to get dirty in the field" whining. Nope, those Canadian beavers just go at it, with great speed and determination. You should see what they do to wood in the mornings!!


:D

106 million Mexicans vs. 32 million Canadians.. hmmm...

(I bet on the Mexicans.)
3 Billion Chinese vs ~256 million Americans in Korea (yeah I know about Vietnam but this is total war not a police action) Canada would win.

(About Dieppe)
For many, it was a suicide mission. And it was not just the Canadians who were there, but British Commandos and American Rangers also.

I have mentioned the Canadians because that's the current subject. But yes, there were other nationalities in the group. Even though the Canadians composed the largest group, and by far.

5100 Canadians
1000 British
50 Americans
12 members of the France Libre

This was, really, a Canadian operation under British command.

For god's sake... most of the British couldn't even make it to land: they met with an unexpected German patrol and had to disperse.

Everybody was surprised yes. Surprised at what a mess it was.
They expected a high casuality rate, but they knew they wouldn't conquer anything. It was a raid, designed to test the Nazi defenses of the Atlantic.

The first and second line of Canadians met with fierce fire from the enemy. When the second wave, the 14th Canadian Army Tank Regiment, got afoot, the beach was littered with corpses from the first wave.

They managed to get the tanks rolling, though, and called the Canadian Fusilliers for reinforcements. In fact, the Fusilliers was the only commando to make a push inland. They managed to get into the city, with a few tanks, and to hold a few blocks for some time. Later they had to retreat when the situation became critical.

More than half of the men were either captured or killed. The Biritsh suffered the lowest casualties, as most of them were unable to get afoot. The small American group was wiped out (it was part of the first wave of cannon fodder).

What was learnt from this tactical operation/mess?
1) The Germans were weak, and slow, in terms of air force; only 5 German planes were spotted... and were all shot down.
2) You can't succeed in such an operation without a preliminary air bombing phase. Such a bombing phase, albeit very deficient, would greatly help Operation Overlord.
3) Tanks MUST be disembarked LAST. During the Dieppe raid, the tanks really got on the way and proved to be a nuisance. Only 3 tanks were of any use; they even got into the city with the Fusilliers.
4) French Canadians are fierce fighters, and they don't surrender to the enemy.

Later in the war, the Canadians were part of Operation Juno, which liberated Dieppe. Sweet revenge.

The Quebec province is literally covered with monuments for remembering Dieppe.

I voted for Canada but I assumed a few things:

1) It would be an all-out war

2) the population of both sides would not quit or protest against the war

With those 2 preconditions, Canada's military would win. They are better funded and have a technological edge.

True! I've seen lots of beavers up in Canada, and boy, are they resilient! They take a pounding, but keep coming back for more... and they do it in all sorts of places! None of that "oh, I don't want to get dirty in the field" whining. Nope, those Canadian beavers just go at it, with great speed and determination. You should see what they do to wood in the mornings!!


:D

heh heh heh :D

Anyways the Canadian Navy sinks the Mexican's ship in a heartbeat, but after that who knows. Maybe have the Moose-Ninjas take out President Fox? :D

heh heh heh :D

Anyways the Canadian Navy sinks the Mexican's ship in a heartbeat, but after that who knows. Maybe have the Moose-Ninjas take out President Fox? :D

don't under-estimate the power of the moose-NINJA!!!(dramatic music)

Sigh... several of you need to brush up on the definition of "total war". Total war means that you do everything you can in order to absolutely destroy the enemy, no occupation necassary.
So, canada's superior airforce bombs mexican supply lines, napalms fields, and starves them into surrender or death, while the valiant mexican army is struggling to get anywhere with only the supplies they are carrying with them.

Total warfare is the state that exists when both sides have determined that civilian population centers are legitimate targets and engaged them. Occupation is still necessary because until you can place troops on the soil you cannot win.

Liverbreath']Total warfare is the state that exists when both sides have determined that civilian population centers are legitimate targets and engaged them. Occupation is still necessary because until you can place troops on the soil you cannot win.

ahh in total war you don't Have to Occupy... you could just saturate bomb them into sumbmission(Japan)... but it makes it easier to occupy....

Canda, every one loves Canadians, well except for Americans. Now the American government dislike all those mexican drug lords since they supply so much to the US market.

The UK would back Canada, NATO would back Canada.

What would Mexico do? Fire spicy food and hash at Canada...it's get stuck in the US!

3 Billion Chinese vs ~256 million Americans in Korea (yeah I know about Vietnam but this is total war not a police action) Canada would win.

IF for some reason this would happen, first off, there are 1.3 billion Chinese, and 295 million Americans.

Total war? As in to annihilation? US sets off all of it's nukes and knocks the world into nuclear winter. Game over.

That's not correct. While Australia is still a member of the Commonwealth, we left behind Dominion status on 1 January, 1901, when Australia was Federated. New Zealand, however, is still a dominion. But that doesn't mean either nation would get involved in such a confrontation.

I stand corrected on Australia being a Dominion, but it is still a Commonwealth Realm. The Queen is still your head of State, and could take an overiding factor over your PM on such an issue of war involving supporting over Commonwealth realms.

Although, in all honesty, she has no need to she has no need to, if Bush sided with Canada, Howard would be right there too. You know it.

(About Dieppe)

I have mentioned the Canadians because that's the current subject. But yes, there were other nationalities in the group. Even though the Canadians composed the largest group, and by far.


I mentioned the other nationalities because none of them should be forgotten, even though Canada is the topic.



This was, really, a Canadian operation under British command.

For god's sake... most of the British couldn't even make it to land: they met with an unexpected German patrol and had to disperse.


For god's sake....901 Canadians themselves were killed, that's 99 short of the whole British contingent. That's not including those severely injured, and captured by the Germans.


They expected a high casuality rate, but they knew they wouldn't conquer anything. It was a raid, designed to test the Nazi defenses of the Atlantic.


Whether the raid was for what it was said it was for has come into doubt. a theory now suggests it was intended to raise the morale of the allies at a time when the Germans were still having the war in their favour, and had no operational importance, only having lessons learnt after the debacle it was.

Another theory suggests a high casuality rate was not really worth the raid, especially if the ground gained would only have to be given up.

Perhaps the experience to put into later use was worth it.

It had been done before, minus tanks, at St Nazaire.



The first and second line of Canadians met with fierce fire from the enemy. When the second wave, the 14th Canadian Army Tank Regiment, got afoot, the beach was littered with corpses from the first wave.

They managed to get the tanks rolling, though, and called the Canadian Fusilliers for reinforcements. In fact, the Fusilliers was the only commando to make a push inland. They managed to get into the city, with a few tanks, and to hold a few blocks for some time. Later they had to retreat when the situation became critical.



In other words, they were getting slaughtered.


More than half of the men were either captured or killed. The Biritsh suffered the lowest casualties, as most of them were unable to get afoot. The small American group was wiped out (it was part of the first wave of cannon fodder).


The British made some progress. If they did not get afoot, they would have suffered heavier casualties if they were pinned down on the beach.

The Americans were small in number, if heavy casualties were expected, of course they were going to be hit hard.



What was learnt from this tactical operation/mess?
1) The Germans were weak, and slow, in terms of air force; only 5 German planes were spotted... and were all shot down.



On that particular day...did not mean it would be the same in the future at that point.


2) You can't succeed in such an operation without a preliminary air bombing phase. Such a bombing phase, albeit very deficient, would greatly help Operation Overlord.


I would have thought this would have been obvious beforehand, as for it helping Operation Overlord, the mistargeted air bombing did not do wonders for the poor Omaha Beach lads.



3) Tanks MUST be disembarked LAST. During the Dieppe raid, the tanks really got on the way and proved to be a nuisance. Only 3 tanks were of any use; they even got into the city with the Fusilliers.


The tanks got in the way because all but three were burning wrecks on the beach.


4) French Canadians are fierce fighters, and they don't surrender to the enemy.



Same goes for the other allies, if they could help it.


Later in the war, the Canadians were part of Operation Juno, which liberated Dieppe. Sweet revenge.



Yes it was.


The Quebec province is literally covered with monuments for remembering Dieppe.

As it should be.

The Queen is still your head of State, and could take an overiding factor over your PM on such an issue of war involving supporting over Commonwealth realms.

The Queen is a right nice lady sitting over there in dear old blighty. We would offer as much help to Canada as we did to GB when the Falklands were invaded. Your on your own, mate.

Viva la Mexico!

I stand corrected on Australia being a Dominion, but it is still a Commonwealth Realm. The Queen is still your head of State, and could take an overiding factor over your PM on such an issue of war involving supporting over Commonwealth realms.
If the Queen tried to do that, then the majority of Australians would simply declare independence. We like the Queen, yes, but affection ain't enough.

Although, in all honesty, she has no need to she has no need to, if Bush sided with Canada, Howard would be right there too. You know it.
Ah, touche.

Canda, every one loves Canadians, well except for Americans. Now the American government dislike all those mexican drug lords since they supply so much to the US market.

The UK would back Canada, NATO would back Canada.

What would Mexico do? Fire spicy food and hash at Canada...it's get stuck in the US!

Aw, that's not true... we love you guys! I mean, hey, you gave us Peter Jennings, RUSH, Brian Adams, William Shatner... :)

The Queen is a right nice lady sitting over there in dear old blighty. We would offer as much help to Canada as we did to GB when the Falklands were invaded. Your on your own, mate.

Viva la Mexico!

GB re-took the Falklands without Aussie help if my history is correct, so perhaps the help offered would have been a token gesture anyway, mate.

Canadians are hard bastards. See WW1 and WW2 for details.

Oh and they play Ice Hockey.

And they wrestle mooses.

Turn it round, if China decided to attack Australia, the Canadians in return would offer the same amount of help to Canada as apparently Australia would to Canada in a war, and the UK in The Falklands.

You're on your own, mate.

If the Queen tried to do that, then the majority of Australians would simply declare independence.

They had the chance to do that in a referendum.....did they take it?


We like the Queen, yes, but affection ain't enough.


Referendum says it all so far. (Sadly for Australia.)
People like Howard, when Aussies consider him as a President, all of a sudden can go all royalist.

It's happened here in the UK, if you consider a President Blair.

*shudder*


Ah, touche.

Blair and Howard are competing I think. Who will jump the highest when Bush tells them to?

Okay since I always see war debates(most I start) about which major powers would win in a war? but lets wonder about the weaker powers....

Who would win in a war(I mean total war too)
Canada or Mexico



And why?


Canada.

If the battle were to be held in France, most of the Canadians speek French, so blending in is no problem. Also, a lot of Mexico's labor works for U.S. companies, who woulden't let them go of to fight in the war.

I picture a gurilla style war between the two.

SWEEEEEET.

Since Canada is basically unable to declare war on someone without someone else doing so (Britian or the USA), we would have the support of USA, and then, by default, Britain. Invading Mexico would be like invading a large Iraq: The actual "war" would be over 48 hours, then the insurgency will hold out for a few years, then the USA would install a weak government not much better than the last, then say "f*ckit" and leave.

Weapons:

Canada: Hockey Sticks
Mexico: Shovels

=Draw

Economy:

Canada: Cheap US imitation
Mexico: Cheap convenience store imitation

=Canada

Borders:

Canada: A Big ass superpower in between Canada and Mexico
Mexico: A big ass superpower in between Mexico and Canada

=Draw

The mexicans would easily defeat the canadians the scenario goes as follows....

While waiting at the doctors office to be seen by Canadian doctors through the speedy socialized medical system(3-4 months at times) The mexicans sneak across the border in mass. They steal all the low paying jobs that fat lazy canadians refuse to do...

Canadians being the laid back type they are say "hey man thats pretty cool lets go get some fries and gravy and kick back and watch some hockey drink some beer and take a nap....eh?"

Quickly the mexicans multiply while the canadians sleep and or wait for months at the doctors office.

Invasion complete.

VIVA LA REVOULUTION!!!!!

:mp5:

Mexico could never actually invade Canada, so they've lost before they even begun, for the simple reason that Mexico is sub-tropical, and Canada... has winter. :D