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What will happen in Brasil if all woods are destroyed?How will we supply trees in the future,will a tree be a rare being in the future?What can we as this generation do?

What will happen in Brasil if all woods are destroyed?How will we supply trees in the future,will a tree be a rare being in the future?What can we as this generation do?

We can become informed and politically aware so that those of us who live in "democratic" nations can make the correct choice on election day.

* Brazil is not the only country destroying rain forests in the Amazon region. Under Plan Colombia, an anti-narcotics plan initiated during the Clinton administration, the rainforests in Southern Colombia, Peru and Ecuador are being defoliated by a chemical known as glyphosate, which is manufactured by the U.S. company Monsanto.

We can arm the trees so they can fight back. Personally, I'm working on a genetic cross-breeding of trees that will cause them to explode when chopped or sawed. I'm still working out what to do about woodpeckers and beavers, though. :p

We can arm the trees so they can fight back. Personally, I'm working on a genetic cross-breeding of trees that will cause them to explode when chopped or sawed. I'm still working out what to do about woodpeckers and beavers, though. :p

Wow! Most hilarious thing I've read on NS for days! :p

Still, there is probably nothing we can do about logging. We just have to look on while the Amazon is felled tree by tree.

Wow! Most hilarious thing I've read on NS for days! :p

Still, there is probably nothing we can do about logging. We just have to look on while the Amazon is felled tree by tree.

I have confidence that Nature will work things out. A few flash floods, for instance might get the message across. Nothing says, "You don't belong here" Like a rushing wall of muddy water. :)

We can arm the trees so they can fight back. Personally, I'm working on a genetic cross-breeding of trees that will cause them to explode when chopped or sawed. I'm still working out what to do about woodpeckers and beavers, though. :p
Save a tree, eat a beaver?

Save a tree, eat a beaver?

Save a tree, eat a lumberjack! :eek:

Save a tree, eat a lumberjack! :eek:
Eating lumberjacks wont work, theres too many of them.
We must eat the lumberjacks wives! No wives = no children, and everybody knows that a majority of lumberjacks are Canadien, and, therefore, gay. So there wont be many lumberjack wives.
Or possibly we could introduce some sort of super-virus that is only transmitable by sawdust...

And if you take this post seriously, I will eat your children as well. If you dont have children Ill wait until you do. If you dont plan to ever have children...I will see to it that you adopt some so that I can eat them.

What will happen in Brasil if all woods are destroyed?How will we supply trees in the future,will a tree be a rare being in the future?What can we as this generation do?
Sit on the end of the bed and watch me whack off?

Nature wins. Always.

So don't get too worked up about it.

Save a tree, eat a lumberjack! :eek:
I'd much rather eat the beaver, thank you! :D

I'd much rather eat the beaver, thank you! :D
But lumberjacks are high in fiber!

There are other ways to get wood, like from your own backyard.

There are other ways to get wood, like from your own backyard.
You would be suprised.
My backyard, for instance, leads into the middle of the Sonoran desert, which contains about as much wood as your average house (in a state where wood is a common housing material, as opposed to mud, stucco and suchlike). Cacti, on the other hand...we have lots of those. We got 'cher barrel cacti, Saguaro, prickly pear, and those damn Choya's.
We also have a variety of poisonous or biting insects, reptiles, mammels, birds, rodents, arachnids, and Chupacabras.
Hell, even the GRASS is sharp.
But there is little wood, aside from the Mesquite trees, which dont really have much wood on them at all. Oh, and a few people seem to plant palm trees for some reason. Theyre pretty ugly though, and theyre not really dense enough to count as 'woods'.

What will happen in Brasil if all woods are destroyed?How will we supply trees in the future,will a tree be a rare being in the future?What can we as this generation do?

I would be more concerned about habitat destruction. There are species in those forests that aren't even identified. I'm sure many are vectors for hellish things comparable to Ebola or Marburg, but are kept in check because their habitat is there. When the habitat moves, the vectors will look elsewhere. The viruses and bacteria will eventually always win. That's the way I believe he human population will become extinct. No wars, nuclear armageddon... viruses and antibiotic resistant bacteria.

Tearing apart habitats holding unknown vectors of who knows what diseases, is dangerous.

North of where I live are many forrests. They are cut, and new trees planted in a staggerd way (I can't remember what they call it.), so there will always be a wood supply. However, I live in no tropical area. The worst that can happen is being mauled by a bear or something. Which doesn't affect entire populations. :D

On a hopeful not, I did read a report which said that slightly higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere from human activity will in fact help the regeneration of the Amazon rainforest. So there is one good point about Global warming.
(Actually, considering the damage to the forest was caused by human activity in the first place, it can be considered a neutral point).

On a hopeful not, I did read a report which said that slightly higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere from human activity will in fact help the regeneration of the Amazon rainforest. So there is one good point about Global warming.
(Actually, considering the damage to the forest was caused by human activity in the first place, it can be considered a neutral point).

Yeah, but that only works if we stop cutting them down. As I recall, Amazon trees grow fairly quickly, but still not as quickly as we can hack them to pieces.

Addressing the original topic, what we'll probably do is plan fast-growing forests. I think they're usually conifers. Then you cut and plant in a cycle that means you always have some growing.

What will happen in Brasil if all woods are destroyed?How will we supply trees in the future,will a tree be a rare being in the future?What can we as this generation do?

Hmmm... let's see.

Why don't we let the brazilians mind their own business.

I've been to Brazil in october 2004, and I was quite impressed by the efforts that are being made. They have just recognized HUGE claims from a native group in Amazonia. More protected land. They're also moving to less agressive logging, and building "fauna overpasses" over roads, to allow animal migrations.

Anyway look at what our societies have done to the environment. Our own land is devastated, polluted, overused, depleted, and owned by corporations. Wow. And I'm talking about Canada, the US, much of Europe, India, China, whatever countries... they all do a shitty job at protecting their land.

OK you wrote Brasil with an S, mas voce é Brasileiro(a)?

If not, it is none of your damn business. If you want a forest, go plant one in your own country. It is ridiculous that people from countries that were once almost completely forested, but now only have the odd tree or two, try to dictate that the citizens of another country can not decide for themselves what they wish to do with their land.

Yes I know we need the forests, but if you are going to worry about it, go plant some trees where you live instead of telling others what they can and cannot do.

OK you wrote Brasil with an S, mas voce é Brasileiro(a)?
Obrigado... mais no fallo Portugues. :D

I used to speak Portuguese (it was my fourth language) but I lost it over a short span of time. I didn't get to master it well, and I don't have time to practice.

I enjoyed my trip and managed to get people to understand me.
You can't speak Spanish in Brasil, people just don't like it.
English is seldom understood.
And French, my primary language, is respected but very rare...

OK you wrote Brasil with an S, mas voce é Brasileiro(a)?

If not, it is none of your damn business.
That's pretty much what I've said in my 1st message.

We should focus on our own problems instead of criticizing other people.
In my province (Quebec), we have discovered 5 years ago that large spans of our forests have been razed by logging companies. They were completely clearing the land... but they were leaving a "buffer" along the roads, so that it dowsn't show. It was about time people discovered this racket.

Obrigado... mais no fallo Portugues. :D

I used to speak Portuguese (it was my fourth language) but I lost it over a short span of time. I didn't get to master it well, and I don't have time to practice.

I enjoyed my trip and managed to get people to understand me.
You can't speak Spanish in Brasil, people just don't like it.
English is seldom understood.
And French, my primary language, is respected but very rare...

Actually I was adressing the OP (was that you?).

I am suprised that you say that English is rarely understood here. It will of course depend on where in this continent sized country you went, but in most of the tourist destinations English is widely spoken. Almost all schools teach English and most middle class and up kids are sent to language schools to improve their English. The average fisherman on the North East coast does not speak English, but then what they speak is not exactly Portuguese either. However most hotels and restaraunts etc. have someone who speaks enough to get by.

No you can not speak Spanish here, although if you speak English first and then switch to slow and clear spanish, people will make the effort to understand you.

French was the court language and was until a decade or so ago the academic language (We imported university lecturers from France for some reason).

Portuguese is a pig of a language to get right for an English speaker (like myself), but for a French speaker it may be somewhat easier, all I know is that it has overwritten my French. C'est la vie.

Actually I was adressing the OP (was that you?).
Nope.

I am suprised that you say that English is rarely understood here. It will of course depend on where in this continent sized country you went, but in most of the tourist destinations English is widely spoken.
Been to Tiradente, Sao Joao, Parati, Angra, Ubatuba (and their dried bananas!), and various cities along the coast too.

Of course in SP and Rio, English was spoken more often. But we don't like large cities and we tried to avoid them when we travel.

Anyway I managed to be understood by using simple Portuguese verbs and words, and completing by gestures and faces. It was fun.

PS: In Parati there is an Italian restaurant owned by a japanese-american woman... she speaks Portuguese and maybe 6 or 7 languages. I don't remember the name of the restaurant but if you go to Parati, try to find it, it's excellent. And it's a change for the omniprenent SP food we find everywhere (couve and feijoada 3x a day).

Been to Tiradente, Sao Joao, Parati, Angra, Ubatuba (and their dried bananas!), and various cities along the coast too.
Rio São Paulo coast line. The bigger towns English should have been widespread. Little isolated fishing points, no, only Portuguese or gestures as you say. A beautiful part of the world, if you can escape the mosquitos.

PS: In Parati there is an Italian restaurant owned by a japanese-american woman... she speaks Portuguese and maybe 6 or 7 languages. I don't remember the name of the restaurant but if you go to Parati, try to find it, it's excellent. And it's a change for the omniprenent SP food we find everywhere (couve and feijoada 3x a day).

Sorry to correct you but feijoada is national, not just SP. I have eaten it in some 18 different states here and it is as staple as rice in Japan. I live in Rio Grand do Sul (the land of the churrasco), so going to Parati for dinner is a little unlikely but if I am ever there I will try to find it. There are lots of restaurants in Parati though and as there seem to have been more Italian colonists than Portuguese ones, Italian restaurants are rather common.

Sorry to correct you but feijoada is national, not just SP. I have eaten it in some 18 different states here and it is as staple as rice in Japan.
Hehe but SP seems to be specially obsessed with Feijoada. And it's even worse in Minas.

I prefer a good moquequa (Bahia style), and I mean a good one.


But aren't we moving away from the original subject? Not that I care. I mean, take whatever large forest on this planet, and it's probably being crushed by bulldozers right now. So let's leave it to local people and governments, I'm sure they can't do more harm than foreign-based managers.

PS: i have invented the Canadian Feijoada. It's very heavy but nice in winter.

PS: i have invented the Canadian Feijoada. It's very heavy but nice in winter.

I would imagine that it is excellent in the winter there. But I also imagine that couve is a little hard to find in Quebec, but any strong flavoured green leaf would do.

Moquequa is excellent, but as I am allergic to shellfish and crustecea I don't eat it. I have to make do with flame grilled Picanha (Sirloin I think) instead. :)

I think we should let them have their thread back now. In general I agree that we should let each nation manage its own resources as it sees fit. If, as I said, you want more forests, go out, buy some lannd and plant trees on it. If you want to protect the Amazon jungle, then buy the land.

Yeah, but that only works if we stop cutting them down. As I recall, Amazon trees grow fairly quickly, but still not as quickly as we can hack them to pieces.

Addressing the original topic, what we'll probably do is plan fast-growing forests. I think they're usually conifers. Then you cut and plant in a cycle that means you always have some growing.

That is exactly what we do in our state.

* Brazil is not the only country destroying rain forests in the Amazon region. Under Plan Colombia, an anti-narcotics plan initiated during the Clinton administration, the rainforests in Southern Colombia, Peru and Ecuador are being defoliated by a chemical known as glyphosate, which is manufactured by the U.S. company Monsanto.

Oooh! The same company killing you all with NutraSweet!

Yes I know we need the forests, but if you are going to worry about it, go plant some trees where you live instead of telling others what they can and cannot do.

[Waves hand] Did that. They got kicked over, pulled up, snapped, cut and generally ruined before the week was out.

Prevention is easier than curing, sometimes.

I have tried to get a copy of The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann, but it is nowhere to be found. Must order it in. It is supposed to be an excellent book on this subject.

Oooh! The same company killing you all with NutraSweet!

The same company that's been killing people with DDT, Agent Orange and Round up