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As you can probably guess from the title, I am a republican; but being a republican hasn't blurred my vision as to what democrats are.

IF:
Democrats believe that the gov't should supply everything to the people and they shouldn't have to buy anything; and that all incomes should be equal.

THEN:
All democrats are lazy and act like children. When was the last time you got a free Snickers bar just because you wanted one? NEVER. Thats the way the world runs, if you want something, you have to earn it by paying for it. And when is it sensible that someone who bags groceries or empties septic tanks recieves the same income as a rocket scientist or a surgeon? NEVER. Anyone can bag groceries or empty a tank, but it takes someone who has put in time and effort to become and understand rockets, otherwise the rocket will just be a bomb and explode rather than leave the ground. If you tax the wealthy so much that they make just as much as the poor and give the money to the poor, will they ever work again for money if they are given it for no work at all? I doubt it. Who would want to work if they were getting money for free? If you give tax breaks to the wealthy every once in a while, they have enough money to create jobs by expanding their businesses or creating new businesses. Wow! What a concept! Then the poor people can actually go out and work for money!
Kudos to anyone and everyone who has a job and supports themselves and their family. Demerits for the lazy people who beg for money all year round rather than getting a job!

Don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas democrats have had but to an extent. Welfare and healthcare should be for the people who NEED it and not for the lazy fat people who cannot even get up out of their bed because they have depended on others for so long. Let them starve and let their body eat on the fat until they weight 200 pounds and then feed them again so they can grow back all of their muscles they have lost. It just totally pisses me off seeing a fat ass on welfare eating sweets all day when I am out working and eating right.

I have some more things to say but I can't think of them right now because I am so mad :mad: at all of the people who take advantage of the system this way and them blame others who do the exact same thing as them. I'll post back again later.

My mom did welfare so what does your "replublican" viewpoints say of that?

Please don't tell me you are going to raise the welfare queen myth?

I hope you lose your job. Jackass.

Well, I guess this forum doesn't need windows anymore.

;)

IF:
Democrats believe that the gov't should supply everything to the people and they shouldn't have to buy anything; and that all incomes should be equal.

I think the word you're looking for is 'communist', not Democrat.

yes IF THAT WAS WHAT THE DEMS BELIEVED, it would be "childish"

good thing thats not what they believe eh?

Wow, that's a pretty stupid claim. Just imagine if every democrat was on welfare and or didn't work.. we'd have 50% unemployment rate. Why oh why do people make such stupid generalizations?

Not to be bitchy or anything, but if the mods locked down my thread on Operation Yellow Elephant for being trolling and flame-baiting, then this better not last long, lest claims of hypocrisy start getting bandied about recklessly.

Not to be bitchy or anything, but if the mods locked down my thread on Operation Yellow Elephant for being trolling and flame-baiting, then this better not last long, lest claims of hypocrisy start getting bandied about recklessly.

Please be quiet.

Yeah, it's terrible that the Democrats push hard for systems and programs that are used most heavily by right-leaning folks...

Your ignorance is truly, truly amazing.

It just so happens that I have never been on welfare, nor have I ever needed to. I suppose, though, that you would be totally against unemployment insurance for those people who had the gall to be laid off.

It just so happens that my hardworking son-in-law keeps getting laid off from the carpentry jobs he has had. Now, my daughter has just given birth to twins, so this means they keep going on and off the government healthcare insurance. They don't have much of a choice. Who can afford the high preminums to keep their COBRA insurance? Certainly not two kids just starting out who own their own home and have two more mouths to feed. I believe I pay taxes for the following reasons:

1) To pay for public schooling
2) To pay for our military
3) To pay for those unfortunate people who have fallen on hard times and need a hand up.

I do not pay taxes so fat do nothing politicians can ruin this great country in which I live. I happen to be an independent voter, but more and more it is getting harder to side with the Republicans. :headbang:

All democrats are lazy and act like children. When was the last time you got a free Snickers bar just because you wanted one? NEVER. Thats the way the world runs, if you want something, you have to earn it by paying for it. And when is it sensible that someone who bags groceries or empties septic tanks recieves the same income as a rocket scientist or a surgeon? NEVER. Anyone can bag groceries or empty a tank, but it takes someone who has put in time and effort to become and understand rockets, otherwise the rocket will just be a bomb and explode rather than leave the ground. If you tax the wealthy so much that they make just as much as the poor and give the money to the poor, will they ever work again for money if they are given it for no work at all? I doubt it. Who would want to work if they were getting money for free? If you give tax breaks to the wealthy every once in a while, they have enough money to create jobs by expanding their businesses or creating new businesses. Wow! What a concept! Then the poor people can actually go out and work for money!

It's people like you that make Republicans everywhere look bad. You post was arrogant, condescending and pointless. You are ranting, not starting a civilized debate. From what you've said you obviously don't understand how ANYTHING works, so I suggest you shut your mouth until you have something intelligent to say. :mad:

As you can probably guess from the title, I am a republican; but being a republican hasn't blurred my vision as to what democrats are.

IF:
Democrats believe that the gov't should supply everything to the people and they shouldn't have to buy anything; and that all incomes should be equal.

THEN:
All democrats are lazy and act like children. When was the last time you got a free Snickers bar just because you wanted one? NEVER. Thats the way the world runs, if you want something, you have to earn it by paying for it. And when is it sensible that someone who bags groceries or empties septic tanks recieves the same income as a rocket scientist or a surgeon? NEVER. Anyone can bag groceries or empty a tank, but it takes someone who has put in time and effort to become and understand rockets, otherwise the rocket will just be a bomb and explode rather than leave the ground. If you tax the wealthy so much that they make just as much as the poor and give the money to the poor, will they ever work again for money if they are given it for no work at all? I doubt it. Who would want to work if they were getting money for free? If you give tax breaks to the wealthy every once in a while, they have enough money to create jobs by expanding their businesses or creating new businesses. Wow! What a concept! Then the poor people can actually go out and work for money!

Best part is Jesus said only democrats are getting into Heaven.

We must become Child-like. Democrats=child than only Democrats are getting into Heaven. I can play Straw man as eaily as you :)
My statement is even back up by the Bible, but it is dependant on your claims bein true. If you are wrong than my claim is wrong, but my statement is 100% right if you are right.

Don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas democrats have had but to an extent. Welfare and healthcare should be for the people who NEED it and not for the lazy fat people who cannot even get up out of their bed because they have depended on others for so long. Let them starve and let their body eat on the fat until they weight 200 pounds and then feed them again so they can grow back all of their muscles they have lost. It just totally pisses me off seeing a fat ass on welfare eating sweets all day when I am out working and eating right.

I have some more things to say but I can't think of them right now because I am so mad :mad: at all of the people who take advantage of the system this way and them blame others who do the exact same thing as them. I'll post back again later.

How does one decide if people need it? That has always been the problem. Unless you really poor Healthcare doesn't.

So what about those who have a job but can't afford healthcare? Or rather can't affiord to be put in debt by the ridiculous healthcare costs.

That is why Free Healthcarew is appealing because some people who work actualy need it. Most debt is healthcare related gosh, wonder why lol.

Please be quiet.
Lick my sweaty nutsack. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. A thread titled "Democrats are children" is unquestionably flamebait.

act like children.

When was the last time you got a free Snickers bar just because you wanted one? NEVER. Thats the way the world runs, if you want something, you have to earn it by paying for it.

And when is it sensible that someone who bags groceries or empties septic tanks recieves the same income as a rocket scientist or a surgeon? NEVER. Anyone can bag groceries or empty a tank, but it takes someone who has put in time and effort to become and understand rockets, otherwise the rocket will just be a bomb and explode rather than leave the ground.

I broke it up into several thingies to make it easier on me and everyone else.

There is a difference between being a child and acting like a child. I would take offense to being called acting like a child, but I am not a democrat/republican, I am more of an inegma.

How about the rich giving inheritance to their children who are spoiled, and are more of a drain on society

Read paragraph 3 (on my response), and since when was it fair that sports players, and acters/actresses get paid more then surgens, or when people doing labor gets less then people doing the desk work?

Look if your big complaint is being rich and asked to give up a little money to help someone who probably needs it more than you do, then count yourself blessed that you do not have bigger problems.

Come on, nobody got my "windows" joke?

I think the word you're looking for is 'communist', not Democrat.

Exactly. I think that most democrats generally beleive that the income disparity between the rich and poor should be lessened, not eliminated. However, due to the nature of each human being, they will ineveitably have their diferences in beleif and desire. Same goes for republicans. Id est, when I hear "republican", I think of an SUV driving, flag waving, blind beleiving moron who just votes republican because they don't know what else to do. But this is totally wrong, as I know more smart republicans than stupid ones. (Of course, seeing as how I go to a "hippie-school" for the democratic eleite, I don't know many stupid people at all, and almost no republicans. And the few republicans I do know didn't vote Bush. But that's another topic entirely...

http://www.justforfunflags.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/WD548_Strwman.jpgTake that, and that and that! Haha!
Nice. Now maybe you'd like to make a real argument?

I agree with this claim, its an honest fact that liberals are gernerally lazier and not as rich as conservative people, thats why nearly every manager/owner of a company is conservative and not liberal. they've worked for that job, so don't start coming up with excuses. liberalsim is anti-business.

Come on, nobody got my "windows" joke?

Yea of course I....no no I didn't....

*runs crying out of thread*

Not to be bitchy or anything, but if the mods locked down my thread on Operation Yellow Elephant for being trolling and flame-baiting, then this better not last long, lest claims of hypocrisy start getting bandied about recklessly.

If you post about it in the moderation board, they might. If no one complains then its just a question of whether the mods happen to read it and whether they care enough to do something about it.

My mom did welfare so what does your "replublican" viewpoints say of that?

Please don't tell me you are going to raise the welfare queen myth?


No ,as long as she was trying to get a jub I have nothing wrong against her. It is the people who don't try and do anything for themselves and suck the money from others that I hate.

Lick my sweaty nutsack. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. A thread titled "Democrats are children" is unquestionably flamebait.
Judging from his first post in this thread, I think he was on your side, just being sarcastic a little.

I agree with this claim, its an honest fact that liberals are gernerally lazier and not as rich as conservative people, thats why nearly every manager/owner of a company is conservative and not liberal. they've worked for that job, so don't start coming up with excuses. liberalsim is anti-business.

Right, you mean like the people who own the media giants? I knew that whole "left-wing media" thing was bullshit. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Oh and Hollywood too.. all conservative, yup, you make real valid points! :rolleyes:

Nice. Now maybe you'd like to make a real argument?


Hey, you just wrote the HTML and put my name in there. Look back and you will find I never said that.

Aren't these more of a communist like belief system then a democrat?

Also how about the people randomly suing other people to poverty, over trivial common sense things, such as a girl suing McDonalds after getting 3rd degree burns from holding her coffee between her legs or something while driving, she one. Oh and the medical insurance is going up for similar reasons, doctors are normally human (in matter of fact, I think all of them are humans), so they are prone to making mistakes, but every single mistake they make they get sued for. Ok, I could understand if it kills somebody, but other then that don't sue.

Suing is easy in America.

First you can sue for mental anguish (or fake it), slander (if you call me a/n _____ and I am not a/n _____ then I can sue you.), if it doesn't say warning, flammble on wood and I "accidently" light up my wood shed then oops, and then there is almost everything else.

Please be quiet.


Ank, you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or something? He was trashing me like you were!

Right, you mean like the people who own the media giants? I knew that whole "left-wing media" thing was bullshit. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Oh and Hollywood too.. all conservative, yup, you make real valid points! :rolleyes:

I said business people, as in people that actually work for their money, and not all media is left wing, look at fox. ahhh fox, you gotta love it.

I'd rather be lazy than be an @$$HOLE!

You say thats not how the world works, the point of a socialist ideal is to CHANGE how the world works to make it a fairer and better place. Your arguments are that of an immature economically right wing mind, you fail to understand basic principles of the political environment.

Yeah, it's terrible that the Democrats push hard for systems and programs that are used most heavily by right-leaning folks...

Your ignorance is truly, truly amazing.


How many republicans do you see out trying to get college to be free for all? Do you understand what that would do to taxes?! I dont think you are understanding me at all....

"Democrats are children!"

Not always, and not all of them. Sometimes a few will actually make sense and present logical and straight-forward proposals, though that seems to be more rare as time goes on.

I suspect what we are witnessing with the Democrats these days is a party so out of touch with much of what most Americans think that they will either self-destruct or radically restructure.

Yea of course I....no no I didn't....

*runs crying out of thread*

His post was a blind attack on a generalised political group.

Thus my saying.

I found an interesting quote on the net the other day which goes along the line of

"Conservatism is a moral philosophy concerned with finding a superior moral standing for selfishness"

Look the problem is not democrats, it is just idiots. After all there is nothing wrong with being a democrat or a republican just with being an idiot. After all the stupid republican and the stupid democrat are probably equal drains on society.

I said business people, as in people that actually work for their money, and not all media is left wing, look at fox. ahhh fox, you gotta love it.

Oh, okay, so it's not just being rich, you have to work for it too? Man, you got me there again. It's not like actors spend 16 to 18 hours a day on the set or learning lines. And I'm sure people like directors and movie producers spend no time actually working, those movies just make themselves.

The media, whew, Fox news, thank heavens for them, cause they're the only ones meeting deadlines too I bet.

Yup, you must be right!

It just so happens that I have never been on welfare, nor have I ever needed to. I suppose, though, that you would be totally against unemployment insurance for those people who had the gall to be laid off.

It just so happens that my hardworking son-in-law keeps getting laid off from the carpentry jobs he has had. Now, my daughter has just given birth to twins, so this means they keep going on and off the government healthcare insurance. They don't have much of a choice. Who can afford the high preminums to keep their COBRA insurance? Certainly not two kids just starting out who own their own home and have two more mouths to feed. I believe I pay taxes for the following reasons:

1) To pay for public schooling
2) To pay for our military
3) To pay for those unfortunate people who have fallen on hard times and need a hand up.

I do not pay taxes so fat do nothing politicians can ruin this great country in which I live. I happen to be an independent voter, but more and more it is getting harder to side with the Republicans. :headbang:


See, these are the kinds of people who I am talking about. I am not against your son-in-law or your daughter at all. Neither are most republicans because its not his fault and he is trying to keep a job. I am against all of the people who dont have jobs and AREN'T trying to get jobs and just feed off of everyone elses incomes through taxes.

Why are the communist views babyish anyway. I have a red friend and all he does is talk about work, work, and 'redistribute' wealth.

Not to be bitchy or anything, but if the mods locked down my thread on Operation Yellow Elephant for being trolling and flame-baiting, then this better not last long, lest claims of hypocrisy start getting bandied about recklessly.
Oh the horror! The horror! Tsk! :D

Oh, okay, so it's not just being rich, you have to work for it too? Man, you got me there again. It's not like actors spend 16 to 18 hours a day on the set or learning lines. And I'm sure people like directors and movie producers spend no time actually working, those movies just make themselves.

The media, whew, Fox news, thank heavens for them, cause they're the only ones meeting deadlines too I bet.

Yup, you must be right!

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians, and b) I am right aren't i. thanks for agreeing with me.

Lick my sweaty nutsack. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. A thread titled "Democrats are children" is unquestionably flamebait.
shhhhhh if you want this thread locked, a mod has to look at it and you shouldnt be seen flaiming.

did you report this to moderation?

... since when was it fair that sports players, and acters/actresses get paid more then surgens, or when people doing labor gets less then people doing the desk work?
Since the law of supply and demand first made its appearance, probably sometime during the pre-stone age period.

"Democrats are children!"

Not always, and not all of them. Sometimes a few will actually make sense and present logical and straight-forward proposals, though that seems to be more rare as time goes on.

I suspect what we are witnessing with the Democrats these days is a party so out of touch with much of what most Americans think that they will either self-destruct or radically restructure.

Are you insulting children now?

Are saying children can't actually make sense and present logical and straight-forward proposals.

Are Children also out of touch with most Americans think? Are children self-destructive?

(wonders if he should tell all mothers their kids are self-destructive lol)

Best part is Jesus said only democrats are getting into Heaven.

We must become Child-like. Democrats=child than only Democrats are getting into Heaven. I can play Straw man as eaily as you :)
My statement is even back up by the Bible, but it is dependant on your claims bein true. If you are wrong than my claim is wrong, but my statement is 100% right if you are right.


How does one decide if people need it? That has always been the problem. Unless you really poor Healthcare doesn't.

So what about those who have a job but can't afford healthcare? Or rather can't affiord to be put in debt by the ridiculous healthcare costs.

That is why Free Healthcarew is appealing because some people who work actualy need it. Most debt is healthcare related gosh, wonder why lol.


I like you. You are funny. You are mixing religion into this. Let me tell you something, when I said child-like I meant they dont take ANY responsibility. If you go ahead and read in the Bible again you will find that it says that Jesus wants us to do great things for ourselves and try.

I'm not saying i dont like healthcare and welfare, I hate the people who abuse it. The people who aren't trying to better themselves and are just looking for an easy way through life.

All democrats are lazy and act like children..

You supidly generalized that ALL DEMOCRATES are lazy and act like children. So, what about Clinton, John Edwards, and JFK? You're insulting them as well who definatly aren't lazy.

(wonders if he should tell all mothers their kids are self-destructive lol)
Only if you want one of them to hand you your head. :D

I suspect what we are witnessing with the Democrats these days is a party so out of touch with much of what most Americans think that they will either self-destruct or radically restructure.

Yeah, out of touch with America, not like those in touch Republicans, they certainly have their hand on the heart beat of the people of this country. I mean every one knows that making laws against flag burning is fist and foremost a top issue for most Americans. and the hell with the economy, gay marriage is a much stronger issue with the people.. and it's not like any one cares about health care when you can spend countless hours trying to save Terri Schiavo on the tax payers buck. Nope, the Republicans are soooooooo much more in touch with what matters to most Americans. :rolleyes:

Also how about the people randomly suing other people to poverty, over trivial common sense things, such as a girl suing McDonalds after getting 3rd degree burns from holding her coffee between her legs or something while driving, she one.

While agree with much of your post, I cringe every time someone bandies about this case as if it wasnt justified. Obviously you do not know the facts of the case. Most people do not and automatically dismiss it. The fact of the case is that McDonalds was selling its coffee so excessively hot that it was not fit for human consumption. This wasnt hot coffee, it was coffe that would almost instantly destroy skin, flesh, and muscle. Their own research showed that anyone who tried to drink this coffee wouls suffer severe burns. Also, unlike what you claim, she was not driving. I am glad that it was settled that fast food chains cannot sell you things unfit for human consumption.

Here is a very short synopsis of the actual case:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians, and b) I am right aren't i. thanks for agreeing with me.

Okay, so what is important to society - according to you?

So far:

UNIMPORTANT

- Actors
- Artists
- Musicians
- ?

IMPORTANT

- ?


Please feel free to fill in your thoughts.

QUOTE=Gabrones]I like you. You are funny. You are mixing religion into this. Let me tell you something, when I said child-like I meant they dont take ANY responsibility. If you go ahead and read in the Bible again you will find that it says that Jesus wants us to do great things for ourselves and try.

I'm not saying i dont like healthcare and welfare, I hate the people who abuse it. The people who aren't trying to better themselves and are just looking for an easy way through life.[/QUOTE]

And those people are called democrats? Maybe you have your terms confused.

I hope you lose your job. Jackass.


Actually I have been jobless for about 1 year because I quit Domino's Pizza since they couldn't work me for more than 15 hours a week and I was getting 5.50 and hour. This was my first job and little did I know it was going to be harder to find a job afterwards. I am still out everyday looking for somewhere to work since I have to start saving up for college.

Well, I hope one demo is a happy camper now.

Yeah, out of touch with America, not like those in touch Republicans, they certainly have their hand on the heart beat of the people of this country. I mean every one knows that making laws against flag burning is fist and foremost a top issue for most Americans. and the hell with the economy, gay marriage is a much stronger issue with the people.. and it's not like any one cares about health care when you can spend countless hours trying to save Terri Schiavo on the tax payers buck. Nope, the Republicans are soooooooo much more in touch with what matters to most Americans. :rolleyes:
Argh! Your incisive wit and cutting sarcasm have devastated my argument! I'm crushed, I tell you. Crushed! :rolleyes:

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians, and b) I am right aren't i. thanks for agreeing with me.

False, A society without music, artists, actors, and other cultural features is a sad and dark society.

Name a society without them and prove it is sunny and bright.

real society or fictional?

wow, I can't imagine a world without music.. and going to the movies.. what would we do then? Oh right, if you're a democrat I guess you can't afford those things anyway, you're probably on welfare and smoking crack! ;)

Argh! Your incisive wit and cutting sarcasm have devastated my argument! I'm crushed, I tell you. Crushed! :rolleyes:

Hehehe :D

Go back under your bridge!

And leave him alone, you goats!

Well, I believe social welfare is needed to some extent, but the government should do what it can to decrease the dependence factor. I realize this means cutting a great deal of programs, but let's consider the economy here. Those with honest disabilities make up a small portion of the population, thus their welfare won't have much of a negative effect. What we cannot do is allow people perfectly capable of working to leech off of Uncle Sam.

I believe the key is a small dose of socialist reform, which has already been well underway in the United States. I'm speaking of ideas such as minimum wage laws and anti-trust. Of course I can't stress enough that it is a very delicate matter and we can't allow an extreme from either end. If you thought laissez-faire was a good idea, then look at the economic figures from the early 20th century as opposed to now. We have a more powerful economy now even in relation to our size and accounting for advancements in technology. So I simply see a middle ground as the most successful theoretically and historically. Let's preserve some level of socioeconomic equality but still keep regulation away from where the government has proven itself unable to effectively control.

And guess what? I'm an Illinois Democrat. I simply have occassional libertarian tendencies.

To an extent i agree with the original statement in this post that people need to get out of their home and stop living off the rest of us if they are able enough to go work they are drain on society and if they cared about more than themselves they wouldn't be there and we wouldnt have to overhaul social security. But to make the generalization of Democrats carrying this trait is somewhat ill thought out. I, too am a republican but that doesnt mean i have to falsely accuse the opposing party of something that they didnt exactly do i would rather tell the truth and be done with it.
I believe to be on welfare there has to be more strict rule and laws because slowly and surely the United States of America will become The Welfare State of America. Just a thought..... :)

First you can sue for mental anguish (or fake it), slander (if you call me a/n _____ and I am not a/n _____ then I can sue you.), if it doesn't say warning, flammble on wood and I "accidently" light up my wood shed then oops, and then there is almost everything else.

Actually slander is very hard to prove...there are so many things you have to prove*ruffles through journalism notes trying to find this part*one of which is intent...

It's like murder...a premeditated murder has a harsher penalty than other types of muder, but you have to prove that they planned it...

Libel on the other hand is much easier, because it's printed...

As you can probably guess from the title, I am a republican; but being a republican hasn't blurred my vision as to what democrats are.
Stop giving the rest of us a bad name. Welfare needs to be reformed, true, but both sides, Democrats and Republicans, are seeking welfare reform even if it's in different ways. In my opinion welfare needs to be all about helping people find and keep jobs wether that includes supporting them untill they find one, or helping them get the education to find one.

On a side note, it is possible to make it off of welfare. My mom rased me by herself when my dad walked out when I was three. She had no education or even a job at the time but we never took welfare. Now she has a masters in Biochemistry and does research at the state medical college. The down side is that the stress of all of that has taken a huge bite out of her health and she has a butt-load of student loans so I still think that welfare is a good thing in moderation.

I broke it up into several thingies to make it easier on me and everyone else.

There is a difference between being a child and acting like a child. I would take offense to being called acting like a child, but I am not a democrat/republican, I am more of an inegma.

How about the rich giving inheritance to their children who are spoiled, and are more of a drain on society

Read paragraph 3 (on my response), and since when was it fair that sports players, and acters/actresses get paid more then surgens, or when people doing labor gets less then people doing the desk work?


Listen, the children wouldn't be a drain on society, they would spend money making it go elsewhere. This would help the economy, would it not?

Now for your other response.
1. It is hard to get a job as an actor/actress. Have you ever tried it? I think of acting as a form of lying because you really aren't that person or character, but you are pretending to be. Its not just me who decides how much they make, it is America that decides. America watches their movies and pays money to see them which decides how much they make.

2. Did you not read carefully of my post? I said that anyone is able to do labor unless they were born with a disability. It is few that have the IQ needed to learn how to do certain things. My dad always says, "If you're going to be dumb, you've got to be strong."

So do you look down on actors for 'lying'?

Right, you mean like the people who own the media giants? I knew that whole "left-wing media" thing was bullshit. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Oh and Hollywood too.. all conservative, yup, you make real valid points! :rolleyes:


Have you see then scare Fox News has put on CNN? And yes, almost all of Hollywood is liberal, but I think it is due to the fact that they think they have been blessed with a talent and they need to help everyone else out and give them a chance.

What's wrong with the liberal media? Conservative government;liberal media. Fair enough.

To an extent i agree with the original statement in this post that people need to get out of their home and stop living off the rest of us if they are able enough to go work they are drain on society and if they cared about more than themselves they wouldn't be there and we wouldnt have to overhaul social security. But to make the generalization of Democrats carrying this trait is somewhat ill thought out. I, too am a republican but that doesnt mean i have to falsely accuse the opposing party of something that they didnt exactly do i would rather tell the truth and be done with it.
I believe to be on welfare there has to be more strict rule and laws because slowly and surely the United States of America will become The Welfare State of America. Just a thought..... :)

If we had more Republicans like yourself, the party wouldn't have such a negative aura surrounding it.

Hollywood is liberal, but I think it is due to the fact that they think they have been blessed with a talent.

Yes, I do believe most of them have been blessed with talent. Not easy what they do. Most people can't do it. I mean if it wasn't the case, then every week-end millions upon millions of people wouldn't flock to the theater to see the newest blockbuster.

Careful, kids. This thread has a high probability of starting a forum fire. :)

To an extent i agree with the original statement in this post that people need to get out of their home and stop living off the rest of us if they are able enough to go work they are drain on society and if they cared about more than themselves they wouldn't be there and we wouldnt have to overhaul social security. But to make the generalization of Democrats carrying this trait is somewhat ill thought out. I, too am a republican but that doesnt mean i have to falsely accuse the opposing party of something that they didnt exactly do i would rather tell the truth and be done with it.
I believe to be on welfare there has to be more strict rule and laws because slowly and surely the United States of America will become The Welfare State of America. Just a thought..... :)

I agree with that statement. There probably should be some more strict rules and laws because there are people out there who abuse wilfare.

Careful, kids. This thread has a high probability of starting a forum fire. :)

You know why Smokey the Bear has no children?














Because every time his wife gets hot, he stomps her out! :D

democrats and Republicans are both in trouble.
greed.
active Dems are greedy for power; they will do anything and everything to get your vote. Hollow promises cannot be supported.
extremist republicans are greedy for money; they will do anything and everything to get your money. monopoly can not support economy.

democrats and Republicans are both in trouble.
greed.
active Dems are greedy for power; they will do anything and everything to get your vote. Hollow promises cannot be supported.
extremist republicans are greedy for money; they will do anything and everything to get your money. monopoly can not support economy.

By George I think he has it!

Smartest thing said in this thread yet. Kudos! :)

As you can probably guess from the title, I am a republican; but being a republican hasn't blurred my vision as to what democrats are.

IF:
Democrats believe that the gov't should supply everything to the people and they shouldn't have to buy anything; and that all incomes should be equal.

THEN:
All democrats are lazy and act like children. When was the last time you got a free Snickers bar just because you wanted one? NEVER. Thats the way the world runs, if you want something, you have to earn it by paying for it. And when is it sensible that someone who bags groceries or empties septic tanks recieves the same income as a rocket scientist or a surgeon? NEVER. Anyone can bag groceries or empty a tank, but it takes someone who has put in time and effort to become and understand rockets, otherwise the rocket will just be a bomb and explode rather than leave the ground. If you tax the wealthy so much that they make just as much as the poor and give the money to the poor, will they ever work again for money if they are given it for no work at all? I doubt it. Who would want to work if they were getting money for free? If you give tax breaks to the wealthy every once in a while, they have enough money to create jobs by expanding their businesses or creating new businesses. Wow! What a concept! Then the poor people can actually go out and work for money!
Kudos to anyone and everyone who has a job and supports themselves and their family. Demerits for the lazy people who beg for money all year round rather than getting a job!

Don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas democrats have had but to an extent. Welfare and healthcare should be for the people who NEED it and not for the lazy fat people who cannot even get up out of their bed because they have depended on others for so long. Let them starve and let their body eat on the fat until they weight 200 pounds and then feed them again so they can grow back all of their muscles they have lost. It just totally pisses me off seeing a fat ass on welfare eating sweets all day when I am out working and eating right.

I have some more things to say but I can't think of them right now because I am so mad :mad: at all of the people who take advantage of the system this way and them blame others who do the exact same thing as them. I'll post back again later.


Ummm, Socialism is just a mirror of parenting; kids grow up and expect the government to continue the role their parent's played in their life. This is nothing new. There are other links to the immaturity the system breeds from but still, this was kind of obvious. You could have done a better job presenting it too.

As you can probably guess from the title, I am a republican; but being a republican hasn't blurred my vision as to what democrats are.

IF:
Democrats believe that the gov't should supply everything to the people and they shouldn't have to buy anything; and that all incomes should be equal.

THEN:
All democrats are lazy and act like children. When was the last time you got a free Snickers bar just because you wanted one? NEVER. Thats the way the world runs, if you want something, you have to earn it by paying for it. And when is it sensible that someone who bags groceries or empties septic tanks recieves the same income as a rocket scientist or a surgeon? NEVER. Anyone can bag groceries or empty a tank, but it takes someone who has put in time and effort to become and understand rockets, otherwise the rocket will just be a bomb and explode rather than leave the ground. If you tax the wealthy so much that they make just as much as the poor and give the money to the poor, will they ever work again for money if they are given it for no work at all? I doubt it. Who would want to work if they were getting money for free? If you give tax breaks to the wealthy every once in a while, they have enough money to create jobs by expanding their businesses or creating new businesses. Wow! What a concept! Then the poor people can actually go out and work for money!
Kudos to anyone and everyone who has a job and supports themselves and their family. Demerits for the lazy people who beg for money all year round rather than getting a job!

Don't get me wrong, I like some of the ideas democrats have had but to an extent. Welfare and healthcare should be for the people who NEED it and not for the lazy fat people who cannot even get up out of their bed because they have depended on others for so long. Let them starve and let their body eat on the fat until they weight 200 pounds and then feed them again so they can grow back all of their muscles they have lost. It just totally pisses me off seeing a fat ass on welfare eating sweets all day when I am out working and eating right.

I have some more things to say but I can't think of them right now because I am so mad :mad: at all of the people who take advantage of the system this way and them blame others who do the exact same thing as them. I'll post back again later.

First off, i took out the formatting because it is a waste of space.

I am current unemployed due to the lack of jobs in my field where i live (Northwestern Minnesota/Northeastern North Dakota). I may be a democrat but i'm not "lazy". I have helped 2 departments at the University of North Dakota build new web sites (and i maintain them when i'm not on payroll for them). I'm working on getting my degree in Web Design with a minor in Networking and Repair. Back when i lived in Illinois, i volunteered over 50 hours a week with a local non-profit all volunteer television organization called Romeoville Public Television in which i produced, directed, and ran camera for over 400 shows from when i was ages 13 through 1 month short of my 21st birthday (currently am 21 now and will be 22 July 5th).

And if you want to do some mud slinging, then answer me a few questions about republicans.

1. Why do they want to get rid of the National Forests?
2. Why do they want to drill in a national wildlife preserve in Alaska?
3. Why do they constantly spit on the civilians of this nation?
4. Why do they want to close down over 15 US Military Bases and force over 1400 people out of a job?
5. Why do they steal land (that was given in good faith) from the Native Americans?


I'm done with my argument

Democrats are children!

And children are the future.

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians, and b) I am right aren't i. thanks for agreeing with me.

This is so low I don't even know where to begin. Where would be today without artists and musicians?? In a really boring place. Just because actors and artists use CREATIVITY to make a living does not mean that they are useless...and no, I am not an actor or musician. The closest I come is playing the clarinet...poorly. I just can't believe that someone would make a totally unfounded, bashing statement like this. I am happy that there are people with talent who are willing to use it; it adds color to our lives and helps us keep in touch with our HUMANITY...after all, we are PEOPLE and not economic generators.

I suspect what we are witnessing with the Democrats these days is a party so out of touch with much of what most Americans think that they will either self-destruct or radically restructure.

The Repubs are exactly in tune either.

Average American what are your concerns? The economy, healthcare, Iraq, jobs, education.

Senator Friest what is your concerns? Judges get a thumbs up or down!

I wrote him over the issue and he reported that a major concern of his......

1. Why do they want to get rid of the National Forests?
2. Why do they want to drill in a national wildlife preserve in Alaska?
3. Why do they constantly spit on the civilians of this nation?
4. Why do they want to close down over 15 US Military Bases and force over 1400 people out of a job?
5. Why do they steal land (that was given in good faith) from the Native Americans?
I'm done with my argument
1. they can't
2. Not into,under
3. prove it
4.a, because they are outdated and replaced
b,with their training, they can get jobs fairly easily.(biased opinion)

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians

Okie dokie, Hitler.

Because the Indians were savages that slaughter Americans in cold blood becuase they couldn't cope with change, and mutilated them, and scalped them, and more land is needed to be built on.

ummmm....Should we even discuss what we did to Native Americans?

answer you questions.

I'm done with my argument too

lets just say that america wouldn't be half what it is today if there had been no conservatives to provide the economy for it.
i agree, but #5 was out of line. besides, it was the Liberals that stole the land from the indians; Andrew Jackson.

Okie dokie, Hitler.

Hey you! I expect more from you than this. You're one of the more shall we say "intelligent" posters on this forum..

Tsk, Tsk.. I suggest you click THIS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427896)

You know why Smokey the Bear has no children?

Because every time his wife gets hot, he stomps her out! :D

That was a very bad joke, but I still found it funny. :) Thanks for making me laugh.

And children are the future.
amendment; children are the products of the past, the projects of the present, and the hope of the future.
Children are everything

1. Why do they want to get rid of the National Forests?
Money

2. Why do they want to drill in a national wildlife preserve in Alaska?
Money

3. Why do they constantly spit on the civilians of this nation?
They don't, they make them rich

4. Why do they want to close down over 15 US Military Bases and force over 1400 people out of a job?
Lower taxes

5. Why do they steal land (that was given in good faith) from the Native Americans?
Because the Indians were savages that slaughter Americans in cold blood becuase they couldn't cope with change, and mutilated them, and scalped them, and more land is needed to be built on.


1. So you want to ruin the environment even more?
2. We wouldn't need the oil if we just went with Ethanol Fuel's
3. Prove it? Forcing small companies to close all the time. Arresting people for just standing around talking in PUBLIC PLACES
4. So you ruin the lively hood of all those people just to lower taxes? I thought BUSH said he would cut taxes in other areas and leave the military alone? OH WAIT. He changed his mind just like how he lied to the people about IRAQ.
5. Funny how you say that. A multitude of tribes wern't hostile at all. Yet 2 of those non-hostile tribes were completely wiped off the planet cause of our retarded government. Also, the Lakota and Dakota tribes (aka. Sioux) had a deal with the government that gave them land, and they left the government alone. Yet people kept going onto their land and sexually assaulting their women. If i also remember, the Republicans were in power when that happened also and they didn't do shit.




In conclusion. I believe that the Republicans are TAKING AWAY our rights while the Democrats are trying to GIVE US rights.

i agree, but #5 was out of line. besides, it was the Liberals that stole the land from the indians; Andrew Jackson.

I am amazed at the lack of historical accuracy that is being exuded here. Just because Andrew Jackson was a Democrat hardly constitutes him being a liberal. When was he president? 1829 to 1837?? Nothing could have possibly changed since then, right? And actually, Jackson himself was primarily involved with the Cherokee Removal Act. We had been stealing from Natives ever since our arrival in this hemisphere. At least get your facts straight if you are going to attempt to attack liberalism.

In conclusion. I believe that the Republicans are TAKING AWAY our rights while the Democrats are trying to GIVE US rights.

And all we end up with are "fights" (note it rhymes).. :p

Hey you! I expect more from you than this. You're one of the more shall we say "intelligent" posters on this forum..

Tsk, Tsk.. I suggest you click THIS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427896)

That thread is why I said it. :D It was a tribute.

amendment; children are the products of the past, the projects of the present, and the hope of the future.
Children are everything


If this thread is right:
Democrats are the products of the past, the projects of the present, and the hope of the future.
Democrats are everything!

I like this thread.

That thread is why I said it. :D It was a tribute.

LMAO! :D

I am amazed at the lack of historical inaccuracy that is being exuded here. Just because Andrew Jackson was a Democrat hardly constitutes him being a liberal. When was he president? 1829 to 1837?? Nothing could have possibly changed since then, right? And actually, Jackson himself was primarily involved with the Cherokee Removal Act. We had been stealing from Natives ever since our arrival in this hemisphere. At least get your facts straight if you are going to attempt to attack liberalism.
i am humbled.
Andrew Jackson was a Democrat

Kudos to anyone and everyone who has a job and supports themselves and their family. Demerits for the lazy people who beg for money all year round rather than getting a job!


You don't really need to say this. That's how the system works (ideally). Those who work and succeed and do well financially have money to buy things and do things and enable them free time to enjoy it all sometime. Those who don't, have to beg and demean themselves, perhaps metaphorically or actually, and have less creature comforts, as it were.

In short success is it's own reward and failure it's own punishment - no need for kudos or demerits.

amendment; children are the products of the past, the projects of the present, and the hope of the future.
Children are everything
Agreed.

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians, and b) I am right aren't i. thanks for agreeing with me.

As an artist and a musician, I beg to differ. Even if I were neither of those, I would still hold that people involved in the fine arts are extremely important to society. I really hope you are being sarcastic.

First of all, how many millions of dollars are spent per year on entertainment? CDs, concert tickets, movies, advertising... and all of the industries that rely on that. Television, cinemas, concert venues... let's face it, as "insignificant" as it may seem to some, entertainment is an extremely large chunk of our economy.

Second, there are benefits to art and music that extend well beyond an economical standpoint. The fine arts improve people's spirits, decrease stress, and increase the rate of healing after surgery or an injury. Intellectually, children show faster development rates when exposed to the arts and adult musicians show greater brain activity than non-musicians. Developmentally delayed people show greater progress after being exposed to music and after taking part in art classes. Maybe this isn't important to you, but it's important to the millions of people whose lives have been touched by the arts. In every human culture around the world, the fine arts are the threads that hold together society and weave its people closer together.

If this thread is right:
Democrats are the products of the past, the projects of the present, and the hope of the future.
Democrats are everything!

I like this thread.
I am honored that you would twist my words to fit your P.O.V.

I reject your reality and replace it with my own
...
...
man, this sucks!

If Democrats are children, does that make Republicans old senile bastards who've enetered their second childhood? Because GWB is clearly having fun durinmg his second childhood.

i am humbled.
Andrew Jackson was a Democrat

And yet still, the Democratic party has undergone many changes and revolutions since then, as has the Republican party. It is totally unfair to call Democrats (or liberals) bad people because Jackson was a democrat. What if I judged the entire Republican party based on Ann Coulter??

And yet still, the Democratic party has undergone many changes and revolutions since then, as has the Republican party. It is totally unfair to call Democrats (or liberals) bad people because Jackson was a democrat. What if I judged the entire republican party based on Ann Coulter??
OMG! LOL!

Incidently, did anyone see last week's episode of "30 Days"?

http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/30days/main.html

It was he and his girlfriend living on minimum wage for 30 days. It was a mess.

Hard to bootstrap yourself up when you have to pawn your boots just to eat. God bless America.

Right, you mean like the people who own the media giants? I knew that whole "left-wing media" thing was bullshit. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Oh and Hollywood too.. all conservative, yup, you make real valid points! :rolleyes:


The Hollywood elite and media giants can almost be stereotyped with their heavy bias. And the media and most of Hollywood in general rarely run their enterprises the same way as conventional businesses. Sensationalism sells their products - that doesn't often work in the corporate world.

I wouldn't go as far as calling all liberals lazy though. But a study was done and it did show that most liberals are not as happy as their conservative opposites. These are just numbers, but they do indicate a quantifiable difference between the political poles.

If Democrats are children, does that make Republicans old senile bastards who've enetered their second childhood? Because GWB is clearly having fun durinmg his second childhood.

Yeah, Repubs have to be the old people. They aren't children so that leaves old. Unless Repubs are teenagers, but than why do we trust teens to rule?

I still stand by my oppinion that the Republicans in charge now have done more to HARM our nation than to HELP us.

And also, even if you dig "Under" the Arctic Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. the loss of all the stuff under the ground will create air pockets, and will cause what are called "Sink holes". Do you want an entire wildlife refuge to go missing overnight?

Plus, less than 5% of our nations budget goes to the National Wildlife Service, while over 30% goes into the pockets of the fatcats in washington. Why don't they just take paycuts and leave the NWS alone?



Examples:

The CIA and President Bush knew for 3 months that 9/11 was in planning, and possibly going to happen. Did they tighten security? NO. They sat back and let it happen. Let thousands of people die because of terrorists.

President Bush, 4 months before declaring war in Iraq, made plans to do it even before any evidence of WMD's was even fabricated. (I say fabricated because no evidence was ever found).

If Democrats are children, does that make Republicans old senile bastards who've enetered their second childhood? Because GWB is clearly having fun durinmg his second childhood.


You make fun of him for making ignorant generalizations - then you do the very same thing here.

And yet still, the Democratic party has undergone many changes and revolutions since then, as has the Republican party. It is totally unfair to call Democrats (or liberals) bad people because Jackson was a democrat. What if I judged the entire republican party based on Ann Coulter??
please note;
when i say i am humbled, i mean that i was proven wrong. i do not wish to prolong this fight.
therefore;
both parties have become corrupt.
note also;
I did not say that Libs were bad people, indeed, many of my closest friends are extremely liberal. Our friendship is based on morals, not politics.
I ask you politely;
PLEASE STOP HOUNDING ME!!

Gabrones, I can't help but laugh.

You are the one using huge letters and big red font to try to convince us this... and maybe it's just me, but doing things like that is childish. It's the argument, not the font size.

And by yelling a blunt, crass,generalized statement like that is very childish as well. With those demerits and others, I have a hard time being able to listen to you as an authoritative voice.

So really, it seems like the only child present is you.

I still stand by my oppinion that the Republicans in charge now have done more to HARM our nation than to HELP us.

And also, even if you dig "Under" the Arctic Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. the loss of all the stuff under the ground will create air pockets, and will cause what are called "Sink holes". Do you want an entire wildlife refuge to go missing overnight?

Plus, less than 5% of our nations budget goes to the National Wildlife Service, while over 30% goes into the pockets of the fatcats in washington. Why don't they just take paycuts and leave the NWS alone?



Examples:

The CIA and President Bush knew for 3 months that 9/11 was in planning, and possibly going to happen. Did they tighten security? NO. They sat back and let it happen. Let thousands of people die because of terrorists.

President Bush, 4 months before declaring war in Iraq, made plans to do it even before any evidence of WMD's was even fabricated. (I say fabricated because no evidence was ever found).


Clinton was privvy to much of the same information about terrorist attacks (though not 9/11 in particular) and was offered bin Laden's head 3 times and he refused all 3 times. Don't try to make failure to prevent 911 a partisan issue - there's plenty of blame there to go around.

please note;
when i say i am humbled, i mean that i was proven wrong. i do not wish to prolong this fight.
therefore;
both parties have become corrupt.
note also;
I did not say that Libs were bad people, indeed, many of my closest friends are extremely liberal. Our friendship is based on morals, not politics.
I ask you politely;
PLEASE STOP HOUNDING ME!!

I appreciate that. And I do agree with your statement about the corruption of the parties. Politics no longer has anything to do with morals, it has to do with power.

As an artist and a musician, I beg to differ. Even if I were neither of those, I would still hold that people involved in the fine arts are extremely important to society. I really hope you are being sarcastic.

First of all, how many millions of dollars are spent per year on entertainment? CDs, concert tickets, movies, advertising... and all of the industries that rely on that. Television, cinemas, concert venues... let's face it, as "insignificant" as it may seem to some, entertainment is an extremely large chunk of our economy.

Second, there are benefits to art and music that extend well beyond an economical standpoint. The fine arts improve people's spirits, decrease stress, and increase the rate of healing after surgery or an injury. Intellectually, children show faster development rates when exposed to the arts and adult musicians show greater brain activity than non-musicians. Developmentally delayed people show greater progress after being exposed to music and after taking part in art classes. Maybe this isn't important to you, but it's important to the millions of people whose lives have been touched by the arts. In every human culture around the world, the fine arts are the threads that hold together society and weave its people closer together.


Well said. Very well said. I'm not a Democrat, but I am a musician. Bravo!

Clinton was privvy to much of the same information about terrorist attacks (though not 9/11 in particular) and was offered bin Laden's head 3 times and he refused all 3 times. Don't try to make failure to prevent 911 a partisan issue - there's plenty of blame there to go around.

So now it's 3 times? Wow ... just a month ago it was only once and the people who offered it admitted they couldn't really provide it.

Got a link to the other two times?

I appreciate that. And I do agree with your statement about the corruption of the parties. Politics no longer has anything to do with morals, it has to do with power.
thank you. i am glad that we have found something to agree on.
i apologise for the outburst.

a) Actors ain't important to society at all, just like artists and musicians, and b) I am right aren't i. thanks for agreeing with me.

Because actors, artists and musicians haven't been the catalyst for any revolution anywhere. Riiiiiiiight.

So now it's 3 times? Wow ... just a month ago it was only once and the people who offered it admitted they couldn't really provide it.

Got a link to the other two times?

Government of Sudan - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/5/153637.shtml
and http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

Government of Yemen (two overtures) - http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/hcooper/2003/hc_1013.shtml
and
http://www.richardminiter.com/pdf/about_rtm/20030910-int-cnn_amermorn.pdf
and
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/21/180322.shtml

So now it's 3 times? Wow ... just a month ago it was only once and the people who offered it admitted they couldn't really provide it.

Got a link to the other two times?

Also, I'm not trying to lay all the blame on Clinton. I'm saying you can't lay all the blame on Bush.

You make fun of him for making ignorant generalizations - then you do the very same thing here.
Oh, but imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, no? I was just giving him some of his own medicine.
A) Sarcasm. Look it up.
B)I'm a Canadian. My opinion on US domestic politics is irrelevant anyways.

The opening post looks like it may be trolling.

iLock pending Moderator review.

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