NationStates Jolt Archive

And passed all my tests with relative ease(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...All my tests except weight. I have been temporarially disqualified from the Army National guard for 27 days, because I weigh 11 pounds over the max(189, I weigh 200). Someone could get a 37 on the ASVAB, weigh 5 pounds less than me(I can probably pass the body fat instead, with only 5 pounds less), and get the same job as me. That just somehow pisses me off.

And passed all my tests with relative ease(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...All my tests except weight. I have been temporarially disqualified from the Army National guard for 27 days, because I weigh 11 pounds over the max(189, I weigh 200). Someone could get a 37 on the ASVAB, weigh 5 pounds less than me(I can probably pass the body fat instead, with only 5 pounds less), and get the same job as me. That just somehow pisses me off.

God works in mysterious ways. :p

I tried to join the military a few years ago and got a 98% on the test. He told me that's in the top 1 or 2%, but I was disqualified for having had elective eye surgery. Was a bit disappointed at the time, but they couldn't pay me enough to sign my life away for Haliburton today.

Do they take height into account when calculating the maximum weight? 189 just seems to be a bit of an odd number to draw the line at.

God works in mysterious ways. :p

Like sending someone like you to tell that to an atheist, in a thread unrelated to religion? Please, spare yourself and just exit out of the internet.

Do they take height into account when calculating the maximum weight. 189 just seems to be a bit of an odd number to draw the line at.

Yes, they take height in as a factor, me being 5'10(Thought I was 6', so I would have passed if my height had been that)

Like sending someone like you to tell that to an atheist, in a thread unrelated to religion? Please, spare yourself and just exit out of the internet.

Wow. I guess with hostility like that I'd assume that my place was in the military too. My only point was that your life is probably better spent in civilian life now that the US military has been turned into the worlds most underpaid mercenary force. I would have been inclined to say that your life might be worth more than that, but I guess you're determined to convince me otherwise.

Anyways, I got an 87 and went to radio school for the navy. I think it was worth the trouble. What MOS they say youll get?

Anyways, I got an 87 and went to radio school for the navy. I think it was worth the trouble. What MOS they say youll get?

I havn't had a chance to do any contract stuff, but Im simply going infantry(Fighting vehicle infantry, starting off as a vehicle driver, will be operating bradleys).

I had a mid-term in College on the day my High school did the ASVABs...I didn't even hear about it until days later. Kind of a pity, I wonder what I would have gotten.

Oh well, years have passed and I'm older, fatter, and have surgeries that would keep me out regardless. Its such a pity, I could have used the discipline the military would have beaten into me ;)

Now I have to settle for being a civilian contractor, I don't even leave the states while all my friends in the service and whatnot go to Iraq.

You can get your weight down really quickly by eating only unsalted, unbuttered, air-popped popcorn and drinking water. Take vitamins, and do get a little salt so you don't die.

You'll easily drop a pound a day doing that.

That said, it doesn't help to show up to basic training with man-boobs.

And passed all my tests with relative ease(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...All my tests except weight. I have been temporarially disqualified from the Army National guard for 27 days, because I weigh 11 pounds over the max(189, I weigh 200). Someone could get a 37 on the ASVAB, weigh 5 pounds less than me(I can probably pass the body fat instead, with only 5 pounds less), and get the same job as me. That just somehow pisses me off.

That's 90.9 KG. I hover around 50 KG ...

(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...
How could that have been scary? If you have not been breaking the law by taking illegal substances, there is nothing to worry about.

So, you failed the taping too? that sucks. If you get a chance, go look at your unit. Chances are, they are all big fat fuckers. Like they are at my old unit. What MOS are you looking at?

So, you failed the taping too? that sucks. If you get a chance, go look at your unit. Chances are, they are all big fat fuckers. Like they are at my old unit. What MOS are you looking at?

I don't remember any fat guys in my unit. Then again, we were 11B.

Oh mo! Driving the Bradleys! It is a fun vehicle, but too tall and too loud (from a scouts opinion). But shooting the 25mm is hella fun! If you want to be an 11B (did they consolidate 11M yet?), you should really look at 19D.

Hes going ARNG, Legs.

Hes going ARNG, Legs.
Oh, ok. Then fat AND old.

If you're old enough, you get over so much on the fat/tape thing.

Especially in HHC. Fat old Spec4s are EVERYWHERE.

Especially in HHC. Fat old Spec4s are EVERYWHERE.

Revenge of the Manboob Mafia...

How could that have been scary? If you have not been breaking the law by taking illegal substances, there is nothing to worry about.

You're right. If I had not been breaking the law by taking illegal substances, than there would have been nothing to worry about.

That's 90.9 KG. I hover around 50 KG ...

And what? Your point is to say im fat or something?

So, you failed the taping too? that sucks. If you get a chance, go look at your unit. Chances are, they are all big fat fuckers. Like they are at my old unit. What MOS are you looking at?

Im infantry, 11B.

With a 97 ASVAB, I have to ask.... why go infantry? It seems silly to me to waste all that brain power in a field that, as you said, any monkey who can score a 35 can do. I think Koko the gorilla could score like that if she studied.

With a 97 ASVAB, I have to ask.... why go infantry? It seems silly to me to waste all that brain power in a field that, as you said, any monkey who can score a 35 can do. I think Koko the gorilla could score like that if she studied.

I guess that explains why, when I was in 2/502nd, 1 out of 4 enlisted infantry had a 4-year degree, and 2 out of 4 had 2 or more years of college already.

We're not in the days where people blindly charge up a hill.

We're not in the days where people blindly charge up a hill.

Unless you are in the british army. Mind you, it usually works out for them

And passed all my tests with relative ease(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...All my tests except weight. I have been temporarially disqualified from the Army National guard for 27 days, because I weigh 11 pounds over the max(189, I weigh 200). Someone could get a 37 on the ASVAB, weigh 5 pounds less than me(I can probably pass the body fat instead, with only 5 pounds less), and get the same job as me. That just somehow pisses me off.

You might be able to get a waiver if you can prove it's not fat (or "Mostly" not fat).
You have a right to be annoyed-my enlistment was delayed by two months because I was ten pounds under the range the Army considered "Right" for my height.
Stick it out.

I guess that explains why, when I was in 2/502nd, 1 out of 4 enlisted infantry had a 4-year degree, and 2 out of 4 had 2 or more years of college already.

We're not in the days where people blindly charge up a hill.
I never said you *have* to be a monosyllabic grunt, but army qualifications clearly state that you can be. A person with a 97 ASVAB has a whole lot more options, and you have to admit that infantry training, and tank driving in particular, has rather few civillian applications.

And passed all my tests with relative ease(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...All my tests except weight. I have been temporarially disqualified from the Army National guard for 27 days, because I weigh 11 pounds over the max(189, I weigh 200). Someone could get a 37 on the ASVAB, weigh 5 pounds less than me(I can probably pass the body fat instead, with only 5 pounds less), and get the same job as me. That just somehow pisses me off.

i wanted to go to OCS (Officer Candidate School, to those not familiar)... got a 99 on the ASVAB (you and i might have been fast-tracked to the top due to our brilliance. hehe)... but was kept out due to childhood asthma.

the fact that physical appearance/attributes are judged to be more important than intelligence is rather troubling.

any idiot can be taught how to fire a rifle.

but not everyone can think on a battlefield, or lead troops on the battlefield, or train troops, etc.

I had asthma as a kid... but played tennis, football and basketball throughout high school and have no problems with it now... lol. I support our armed forces, but cripes, when they turn down quality like me and Chellis, it makes me wonder...

I never said you *have* to be a monosyllabic grunt, but army qualifications clearly state that you can be. A person with a 97 ASVAB has a whole lot more options, and you have to admit that infantry training, and tank driving in particular, has rather few civillian applications.

I didnt join the military to learn a trade. I did it for the experience, for the training, and the money is nice(Short-term money, the long term money is largely unimportant for me). None of the other jobs apply to my planned major, political science(not that infantry really does either). If I fail at that, I can always go into my dads line of work.

YAY lets all run off and die furthering someone elses agenda, because thats what real men (tm) & (c) do

With a 97 ASVAB, I have to ask.... why go infantry? It seems silly to me to waste all that brain power in a field that, as you said, any monkey who can score a 35 can do. I think Koko the gorilla could score like that if she studied.

Infantry is a field where you actually need to know a lot things-and be able to think on your feet. Koko the Gorilla might be able to get in, but once in, Koko's meat. Smart guys who go infantry are scarier than Koko the Gorilla is-they can make snap-judgements under stress that are right more often than wrong, they can handle the more complicated tasks a grunt may face, and they have a better chance of getting both rank, and through a situation alive, than Koko hte gorilla does. Illiterates can't read a map, designate fire coordinates, assess enemy movement and intentions, read, remember, and analyze an MTO or interpret Frag Orders (FRAGO- Fragmentary Order: "Get this done by this time, I don't care how.")
A smart 11B or 11M can learn to do more than carry a rifle and stand guard-I've known 11M and 11H that can do everything a combat-engineer can do, plus knowing bits about 88 series work (Driver) and unit-level 63 series (mechanics), a few can even handle things you normally encounter in 18 series (special forces, commando stuff.)
It's just that being 11-series, you get all the courses, plus OJT, plus, you get promoted faster. (Promotion points in INfantry are quicker than other MOS's, meaning you could, concieveably, make Sargeant's pay while everyone else is stuck at PFC or Specialist waiting for the points to drop.)

Koko might get into INfantry, but Infantry is led by Odysseus. Smart infantrymen have a skill-base you can't really effectively re-create in a handbook.

I never said you *have* to be a monosyllabic grunt, but army qualifications clearly state that you can be. A person with a 97 ASVAB has a whole lot more options, and you have to admit that infantry training, and tank driving in particular, has rather few civillian applications.

I've found that quite a few infantry NCOs make good leaders in civilian life.

For 11Bs that manage to stay in light infantry units, the quality of NCO is much higher (IMHO - your mileage may vary).

Additionally, if you go 11B, you can then go 18X - especially if you have a high ASVAB and DLAB score.

i wanted to go to OCS (Officer Candidate School, to those not familiar)... got a 99 on the ASVAB (you and i might have been fast-tracked to the top due to our brilliance. hehe)... but was kept out due to childhood asthma.

the fact that physical appearance/attributes are judged to be more important than intelligence is rather troubling.

any idiot can be taught how to fire a rifle.

but not everyone can think on a battlefield, or lead troops on the battlefield, or train troops, etc.

I had asthma as a kid... but played tennis, football and basketball throughout high school and have no problems with it now... lol. I support our armed forces, but cripes, when they turn down quality like me and Chellis, it makes me wonder...

Yeah, my dad has asthma, but luckily I never mentioned it, and I have no recorded history of it. Wouldnt be surprised if they still found a way to kick me out for it.

i wanted to go to OCS (Officer Candidate School, to those not familiar)... got a 99 on the ASVAB (you and i might have been fast-tracked to the top due to our brilliance. hehe)... but was kept out due to childhood asthma.
It depends on the asthma. I had childhood asthma but outgrew it around age 5. At the time I joined the navy, their qualification was that if you hadn't had an attack since age 13, you were considered cured, and qualified.

Of course, qualifications change all the time, too. It depends on when you went in.

None of the other jobs apply to my planned major, political science(not that infantry really does either).
Intel would be pretty useful.

It depends on the asthma. I had childhood asthma but outgrew it around age 5. At the time I joined the navy, their qualification was that if you hadn't had an attack since age 13, you were considered cured, and qualified.

Of course, qualifications change all the time, too. It depends on when you went in.


Intel would be pretty useful.

yah, i had to use an inhaler once in a while in high school before games (especially indoor basketball games, where the dust can get pretty bad), but not after that.

if I could put an inhaler in my pocket (one of them... hehe) i'd be guaranteed to be just fine, no matter where I went.

the only time i ever wheeze anymore is when, lol, i laugh too hard for too long.

YAY lets all run off and die furthering someone elses agenda, because thats what real men (tm) & (c) do

If you have read my posts, you can probably see im not exactly for the war going on, or the president at the head. So posting crap like this in this thread only makes you look like an idiot. Please go find some rope, and find an imaginative way to play with it.

Intel would be pretty useful.

Meh. I dont think I will have much trouble with my major either way.

i wanted to go to OCS (Officer Candidate School, to those not familiar)... got a 99 on the ASVAB (you and i might have been fast-tracked to the top due to our brilliance. hehe)... but was kept out due to childhood asthma.

the fact that physical appearance/attributes are judged to be more important than intelligence is rather troubling.

any idiot can be taught how to fire a rifle.

but not everyone can think on a battlefield, or lead troops on the battlefield, or train troops, etc.

I had asthma as a kid... but played tennis, football and basketball throughout high school and have no problems with it now... lol. I support our armed forces, but cripes, when they turn down quality like me and Chellis, it makes me wonder...

Well that blows.. OCS is no picnic, though. I leave for phase II and III on 01 JUL. Phase I was a royal pain in the rectum!
Being physically fit is important as a leadership example, and because you are expected to be able to out perform your soldiers.

I've found that quite a few infantry NCOs make good leaders in civilian life.
I've found that to be true of NCOs from all varieties of branches and job descriptions. Being an NCO of any variety develops human (or soft) skills that can be applied anywhere. And being in any military field where there is a significant amount of pressure and danger teaches them to handle situations far more critical than anything they're likely to experience as civillians. Whether you're handling a fire team in the field or a firefighting team in the engine room, the stakes are still the same.

yah, i had to use an inhaler once in a while in high school before games (especially indoor basketball games, where the dust can get pretty bad), but not after that.

if I could put an inhaler in my pocket (one of them... hehe) i'd be guaranteed to be just fine, no matter where I went.

the only time i ever wheeze anymore is when, lol, i laugh too hard for too long.

That's a very different story, then. As a recruiter I would be worried about your health if you were left in the field for several days in an extreme situation, and after 6 months in the theater inhalers would probably be hard to come by. The army wouldn't be doing you any favors by letting you in.

Meh. I dont think I will have much trouble with my major either way.


But Army Intel is always a good resume perk, I know that my comms experience has helped me a lot in the job field.
Besides, Intel has plenty opportunity for field work.

And passed all my tests with relative ease(Drug test was scary, but I passed!)...All my tests except weight. I have been temporarially disqualified from the Army National guard for 27 days, because I weigh 11 pounds over the max(189, I weigh 200). Someone could get a 37 on the ASVAB, weigh 5 pounds less than me(I can probably pass the body fat instead, with only 5 pounds less), and get the same job as me. That just somehow pisses me off.
That's odd. They have a weight range to get into the army? It's not just on fitness? That's pretty dumb really. One would think it'd be better to get someone slightly over who's intelligent (like yourself) and train them hard. The 8 week training course would lose you that weight pretty quickly. Yet I can't see those 8 weeks doing much to raise someone's IQ to your level.

I'd fail miserably. I weigh 242 pounds yet have a 34" waist (just bought a pair of trousers yesterday which is how I know - actually I had to get the 36" and a belt cause the 34" I couldn't get over my thighs). Oh, and the dragonboat team I'm in came 5th in the HK South Asia international at the weekend. So I'm fairly fit-ish.
200lbs is very low. I can't remember the last time I was 200lbs. Probably sometime in my teenage years.

Well, here's an update. My recruiter called to let me know that the standards changed, body fat being acceptable up to 26% now(Im 25.Something). So basically, in a few days, I'll be going back up to sacramento(about a 2 hour drive, ffs), and signing my contract(already did all my tests, good for two years).

Well, here's an update. My recruiter called to let me know that the standards changed, body fat being acceptable up to 26% now(Im 25.Something). So basically, in a few days, I'll be going back up to sacramento(about a 2 hour drive, ffs), and signing my contract(already did all my tests, good for two years).


CONGRATS!!!

WORK OUT!

Lol...

What incited you to join? Patriotism?

CONGRATS!!!

WORK OUT!

Lol...

What incited you to join? Patriotism?

Sure, why not ^_^

Like sending someone like you to tell that to an atheist, in a thread unrelated to religion? Please, spare yourself and just exit out of the internet.

You're pretty hostile, fatty.

You're pretty hostile, fatty.

And?

Why does this thread keep coming back? It is stupid.

Koko might get into INfantry, but Infantry is led by Odysseus.

The dude who took ten years to travel a journey of 800 miles and managed to get all the soldiers fighting under him killed off along the way?


My confidence in the US army is hardly bolstered by this revelation.

The dude who took ten years to travel a journey of 800 miles and managed to get all the soldiers fighting under him killed off along the way?


My confidence in the US army is hardly bolstered by this revelation.

Nobody said he was a good commander ^_^

Nobody said he was a good commander ^_^

Given the choice I think I'd rather serve under Koko the gorilla.

Given the choice I think I'd rather serve under Koko the gorilla.

Or I could lead :P