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Is not Trans Fats...
Is not Oily foods...
It's not even Fast foods.

But Cars.

think about it. without cars, (relying on public transportation only)

1) you have to walk farther, thus get more exercise.

2) buy less fast foods (even if there is one around the corner, you still have to walk.)

3) you lift more weight. (going grocery shopping, you have to lug those things home. )

4) you can take a Taxi everywhere but that ends up being costly.

5) make food stretch. (unless you like going to the store to restock, you'll eat those leftovers.)

sure there is delivery, but then that also cost more (tipping the driver, and if you don't tip, then the service gets lousy.) but after I became a Pedestrian, I lost alot of weight. so I'm thinking of staying a pedestrian.

Yep, lack of exercise. People are too impatient. Well, that and the fact that some lazy people consider an hours walk tiring.

Is not Trans Fats...
Is not Oily foods...
It's not even Fast foods.

But Cars.
Well, if one ate an automobile, one would become rather obese...

Well, if one ate an automobile, one would become rather obese...
LOL But if one at a car, you can bet it would sit in his/her stomach for a looong time.

Well, if one ate an automobile, one would become rather obese...

*burp* who ya calling obese
(next time i'll try a mini cooper instead of an escalade)

So it's not sitting on my ass all day stuffing my yap with Doritos while being an obnoxious pinhead on message boards?


Oh good!


No reason to stop then....


BTW, cars are only the damn problem if you refuse to walk when you can. I walk to the mall to pick up groceries. I bike to the damn park to play with my kids. I go for a half hour stroll every lunch that the weather is pleasant.

It's not the existance of excuses to be a lazy SOB, it's the decision to USE those excuses.

Well, if one ate an automobile, one would become rather obese...
I think you would die of internal lacerations from the aluminum and steel scraps, as well as gasoline poisoning, antifreeze poisoning and a variety of other poisonings.

[QUOTE]1) you have to walk farther, thus get more exercise.
Unless you park at a shopping mall, a movie theater, any sort of sporting event or concert venue, or anywhere near the downtown area of a semi-major city.
2) buy less fast foods (even if there is one around the corner, you still have to walk.)
You just buy more microwave foods instead. They're quite portable.
3) you lift more weight. (going grocery shopping, you have to lug those things home. )
Somehow I don't remember anyone carrying two cartloads of groceries as a pedestrian.
4) you can take a Taxi everywhere but that ends up being costly.
Taking taxis burns weight? That's a new one to me. It must be all the arm-waving. Hmm... live and learn.
5) make food stretch. (unless you like going to the store to restock, you'll eat those leftovers.)
Which means fewer trips to the grocery store, meaning fewer calories burned.

Cars also cause cancer and auto accidents! Two major causes of death in the USA. Obesity really is the least of your worries when you're on the twisted pavements of death out there.

So it's not sitting on my ass all day stuffing my yap with Doritos while being an obnoxious pinhead on message boards?
Oh good!
No reason to stop then....
BTW, cars are only the damn problem if you refuse to walk when you can. I walk to the mall to pick up groceries. I bike to the damn park to play with my kids. I go for a half hour stroll every lunch that the weather is pleasant.
It's not the existance of excuses to be a lazy SOB, it's the decision to USE those excuses.[Puts on Fun Argument Hat] ok, and when you run out of Doritos and other snack foods...then what. what will you do to get more?
You say walk to the mall (not drive) you Bike to the park (not drive) and you go for a stroll (not drive) are you obese? I think not. Sounds like you control your Automobile usage and thus controling your weight. [takes off Fun Argument Hat]

Thanks for proving my idotic Theory. :D

This shouldn't be a problem for me, as I'm not getting a licence or car.

Unless you park at a shopping mall, a movie theater, any sort of sporting event or concert venue, or anywhere near the downtown area of a semi-major city.True, but add to that the distance you have to walk to go to the bus stop, then from the bus stop to the shopping mall/movie theater, or anywhere else you'll normally drive to.

You just buy more microwave foods instead. They're quite portable. and you still have to lug it home... thus weigh lifting anyone?

Somehow I don't remember anyone carrying two cartloads of groceries as a pedestrian.yep. buy less but even then you still lug it farther. even if you only buy four bags of groceries (two plastic bags per hand) not really a car load, but still quite a workout.

Taking taxis burns weight? That's a new one to me. It must be all the arm-waving. Hmm... live and learn.hey your heart rates go up, ever seen how some of those drivers drive? and their rates will certainly lighten your wallet... LOL... actually its to stem the argument that Taxi (public transporations) can be taken from the Mall/supermarket/wherever to home. a nice substitute for cars but still costly.

Which means fewer trips to the grocery store, meaning fewer calories burned.agreed, but when you do go, you walk which burns more than if you drive.

[Puts on Fun Argument Hat] ok, and when you run out of Doritos and other snack foods...then what. what will you do to get more?
You say walk to the mall (not drive) you Bike to the park (not drive) and you go for a stroll (not drive) are you obese? I think not. Sounds like you control your Automobile usage and thus controling your weight. [takes off Fun Argument Hat]

Thanks for proving my idotic Theory. :D

Actually, my postition isn't that cars in and of themselves are a fucking problem as you seemed to indicate. It's rather that it's all up to personal behaviour.

I own a car. I drive it to work every damn day. However it is the decision to rely on it for ALL transportation that is the problen rather than a black-or-white all car versus all public transport option.

You can make exercise part of your daily travel plans, or you can make it an activity. However a lazy-assed lifestyle leading to become a fatso is often about choosing NOT to exercise in ANY way, not just about how you get around to places you NEED to go.

The cause of obesity (http://www.freewebs.com/alienninjamonkey/weird-o-banquet.html)... sort of

Actually, my postition isn't that cars in and of themselves are a fucking problem as you seemed to indicate. It's rather that it's all up to personal behaviour.

I own a car. I drive it to work every damn day. However it is the decision to rely on it for ALL transportation that is the problen rather than a black-or-white all car versus all public transport option.

You can make exercise part of your daily travel plans, or you can make it an activity. However a lazy-assed lifestyle leading to become a fatso is often about choosing NOT to exercise in ANY way, not just about how you get around to places you NEED to go.[puts on SERIOUS hat] that's right, but people don't wanna hear the truth about losing weight. that you need to eat smart and excercise. they want the Rad sounding fads... like the South Beach Diet, the Low-Carb diet, The Grapefruit Diet... and the excercising has to be special, you know, the AB CRUNCHER or the THIGH MASTER, or the BOW FLEX...

so I'm putting forth the LOW CAR DIET.

Think about it, limit the use of your car and you get excercise, make it harder to drag food home and you get Excercise and Lower intake of Calories. and on the plus side, you save money too and it's great for the Environment. [takes off Serious Argument hat.]

The cause of obesity (http://www.freewebs.com/alienninjamonkey/weird-o-banquet.html)... sort of
LOL

"Only in America can you order a Double Bacon Cheese Burger, Large Seasoned Fries and a large DIET soda."

"Only in America can you take the elevator down from your Apartment, drive several blocks to the Gym to work out on a Stairmaster."

Ill tell you why everyone is so freaking fat... ITS BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF LAZY ASSES WHO DONT MOVE ALL DAY AND EAT! I mean the only reasons u should b overweight are if one its hereditary. Two if you have a health problem. And three if your so busy you dont eat until right before bed so you cant burn off the calories THATS IT!

Ill tell you why everyone is so freaking fat... ITS BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF LAZY ASSES WHO DONT MOVE ALL DAY AND EAT! I mean the only reasons u should b overweight are if one its hereditary. Two if you have a health problem. And three if your so busy you dont eat until right before bed so you cant burn off the calories THATS IT!err... that's what nekone is trying to say.
take away the car (or enforce limited use.) and you exercise more as a by product. you consume less for you'll have less in the house. or if you want more, you have to walk to get more.

Take the Subway Diet. Sure Jared lost that weight. but did you see what he was doing besides eating Subway? He was walking to the subway store (couple of blocks at least) and walking as much as he can. he decreased his food intake and increased his excercise. however, Eating less and excersising more doesn't sound as fun as "The Subway Diet!"

The population becoming lazy was one of the factors that contributed to the Fall of Rome. It could be contributing to the Fall of America perhaps?

I think you would die of internal lacerations from the aluminum and steel scraps, as well as gasoline poisoning, antifreeze poisoning and a variety of other poisonings.


Are you sure? :p ;)

Erm, just go out and get some activity, peoples. And lay off the extra-greasy grease burgers.

I would imagine the ten million tonnes of high fructose corn syrup that americans consume every year has a lot to do with it. Probably a lot more than cars do anyway.

Just what the title reads! The fat are stupid, and you know what we should do to stupid people :sniper: Thats right!

With the prevelance of suburbs, cars become necessary. I already hated the suburbs, so now I just have another reason to hate them, they lead to the rise of idiots like Atkins.

Funny, I never owned a car (I don't even have a driver's licence), my family hasn't been owning a car for a little over 20 years now, and still, I'm overwieght. Curious...

It's not hereditary, it's not a gland problem. I just gained some weight when I was around 10, my parents froced me on one diet after another, making me lose weight which I in turned gained again when eating normal again, with a little extra each time. Bodies see diets as periods of starvation, they will react to a normal intake of nutrition after a diet by storing some of it away, for the next starvation period.
So, by age 16, I was overweight. Far from morbidly obese, but definitely overweight.
And it doesn't have to do with a lack of exercise as I walk or cycle wherever I have to go.

I think using the car less is a good start, but it's not the whole solution

Is not Trans Fats...
Is not Oily foods...
It's not even Fast foods.

But Cars.

think about it. without cars, (relying on public transportation only)

1) you have to walk farther, thus get more exercise.

2) buy less fast foods (even if there is one around the corner, you still have to walk.)

3) you lift more weight. (going grocery shopping, you have to lug those things home. )

4) you can take a Taxi everywhere but that ends up being costly.

5) make food stretch. (unless you like going to the store to restock, you'll eat those leftovers.)

sure there is delivery, but then that also cost more (tipping the driver, and if you don't tip, then the service gets lousy.) but after I became a Pedestrian, I lost alot of weight. so I'm thinking of staying a pedestrian.

Horse, Cart. Remember those things?

Meh. The cause of obesity isn't cars, it's eating too much and being lazy. End of story. If you're fat and you don't like being fat, then eat half as much and get some excercise. And stop blaming everything except yourself.

Let me say right now that I think people are far to picky and prone to worrying about their weight. Its okay not to be a clone, yes? I know many woemen who have "more" weight than some quack told them is healthy, but whom I think carry it very well. Its their natural weight, not someone elses idea of their natural weght. I just wish more of them would wake up to that fact

If you care enough about yourself to eat less and excercise more, you also care enough not to eat garbage, I might add. Forget diets to lose weight and start having a diet to be healthy and happy. You DON'T have count every calorie, you DON'T have to buy into some Californian stickpersons money making scheme aka "system". Just eat less and move more. But don't expect overnight success either. I have a friend who lost 100 pounds (he fit the medical term of obese, poor guy) over the course of 4 years, It took a long time yes, but after awhile he was so used to activity and eating properly, that he doesn't have to worry about gaining pounds back unless he goes back to his old habits. Thus avoiding the pitfall that leads to imbalances and difficulties as described by and experienced by Cabra West.

It isn't always so straightforwrd, true, but it *usually* is.

Cabra West: Does it bother you that you're problems were probably greatly compounded by parents putting you on that first diet? Because I can certainly accept that such things do make it harder than it would otherwise be to lose that weight (If you want to that is)


EDIT: I just want to add that I love my fellow humans for being themselves. Being able to loose weight doesn't mean you have to.


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Somehow I don't remember anyone carrying two cartloads of groceries as a pedestrian.


Exactly. That way you can't eat two cartloads of groceries either. :D

LOL

"Only in America can you order a Double Bacon Cheese Burger, Large Seasoned Fries and a large DIET soda."

"Only in America can you take the elevator down from your Apartment, drive several blocks to the Gym to work out on a Stairmaster."
Only in America
http://raphaelpungin.com/onlyin/america.jpg

very very very old. I know. It's still funny.

Horse, Cart. Remember those things?
And how much energy you need to take care of the horse?

Cabra West: Does it bother you that you're problems were probably greatly compounded by parents putting you on that first diet.


Ah, it would bother me a whole lot less if that were the only permanent problem they blessed me with ;)
They didn't just put me on one diet, I went through that for over 6 years, otherwise I would have found it a lot easier to find a balance again.

Don't get me wrong, my weight itself doesn't bother me, as I'm perfectly healthy and as fit as any average person.
What bothers me is that some people keep insinuating I was suffering from a lack of discipline and intelligence, i e that I'm too stupid to know that to lose weight you just have to eat less and exercise more (that's very very easy to say) and that I'm too undisciplined to go on a diet.

Is not Trans Fats...
Is not Oily foods...
It's not even Fast foods.

But Cars.

think about it. without cars, (relying on public transportation only)

1) you have to walk farther, thus get more exercise.

2) buy less fast foods (even if there is one around the corner, you still have to walk.)

3) you lift more weight. (going grocery shopping, you have to lug those things home. )

4) you can take a Taxi everywhere but that ends up being costly.

5) make food stretch. (unless you like going to the store to restock, you'll eat those leftovers.)

sure there is delivery, but then that also cost more (tipping the driver, and if you don't tip, then the service gets lousy.) but after I became a Pedestrian, I lost alot of weight. so I'm thinking of staying a pedestrian.


I know some people who are obese who cannot walk that much. My mother has a number of health problems, including spurs in her feet, and she can barely walk for 10 minutes, let alone one hour. And she has tried diets, excercising (hydrotherapy and such) and none of these have helped her lose weight. She is disabled, but this is not caused by her obesity, nor does it cause the obesity. Not everything can be solved by exercise, and not everything can be summed up by generalities. My entire family seems to deviate from the norm and I tire of people always thinking that my mother could lose wieght with exercise.

Yep, lack of exercise. People are too impatient. Well, that and the fact that some lazy people consider an hours walk tiring.

That's a bit harsh - what if you live somewhere hot? During the winter I'll usually walk six to eight miles in one go, but during summer the walk to or from work (two miles each way) is exhausting.

I know some people who are obese who cannot walk that much. My mother has a number of health problems, including spurs in her feet, and she can barely walk for 10 minutes, let alone one hour. And she has tried diets, excercising (hydrotherapy and such) and none of these have helped her lose weight. She is disabled, but this is not caused by her obesity, nor does it cause the obesity. Not everything can be solved by exercise, and not everything can be summed up by generalities. My entire family seems to deviate from the norm and I tire of people always thinking that my mother could lose wieght with exercise.
I don't think Nekone meant that it would be a solution for all. In general it's true. People don't get as much exercise (by working etc) than they used to. What has made your mother obese? I believe that the answer can be found from the cause.

Ah, it would bother me a whole lot less if that were the only permanent problem they blessed me with ;)
They didn't just put me on one diet, I went through that for over 6 years, otherwise I would have found it a lot easier to find a balance again.

Don't get me wrong, my weight itself doesn't bother me, as I'm perfectly healthy and as fit as any average person.
What bothers me is that some people keep insinuating I was suffering from a lack of discipline and intelligence, i e that I'm too stupid to know that to lose weight you just have to eat less and exercise more (that's very very easy to say) and that I'm too undisciplined to go on a diet.


Understood. I usually figure that if someone has what some call "a weight problme" but they choose not do much about it, that, maybe its not a problem for them? I'm just sick to death of all the fad diets and crazy execise programs, all motivated by $$ but exploiting peoples issues around self-esteem. It takes time, but if one is motivated, the solution is quite often a straightforward as eat less, exercise more. That doesn't mean its an EASY solution. Christ, I spent 6 years strung out on Morphine, I knew it was bad & I knew the solution was simply to STOP. But I resented (and still do) people who think such a simple solution would be an easy one. So I can very much empathize with you from that standpoint. Having a difficult problem with a straightforward solution and not taking that solution shouldn't be equated with stupity or lack of will. It takes effort and courage, neither of which are so easy to come by as some would like to think (In my case the drug use was a symptom of undiagnosed mental illness...once I started treatment for that, kicking morphine was much easier) The tone of my fisrt post was far to bombastic, I realize that now. I hope I didn't come off as one of those finger wagging judgemental folks. I'm glad to hear your happy enough the way you are.

the cause of obesity...eating too much

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[QUOTE=Nekone]
Somehow I don't remember anyone carrying two cartloads of groceries as a pedestrian.

Obviously you've never seen me go shopping.



People are very lazy here. They never take the stairs to go anywhere. I see hordes of them pushing to get onto the escalotors and sometimes having to wait cause of the crowds. Meanwhile, there's a perfectly good stairway right next to the escalator that's totally devoid of human beings. And this is to go up one floor!

I try to take the stairs all the time (unless I'm in a big hurry). Taking the stairs certainly is good exercise. One day out of interest I counted every stair I walked up. It was equivalent to climbing 51 floors by the end of the day. It helped that I live on the 7th floor and there's no elevator of course.

It helped that I live on the 7th floor and there's no elevator of course.
I only lived on the 6th floor...(not anymore)
The only annoying things was that the shower was 7 floors down. :D

That's a bit harsh - what if you live somewhere hot? During the winter I'll usually walk six to eight miles in one go, but during summer the walk to or from work (two miles each way) is exhausting.
I'm sorry - you live in England and are saying it's too hot to walk in Summer?
hahahahahaha...That's freaking hilarious. A hot English Summer. An oxymoron surely?

I walk in Summer here. Right now it's 7.30pm and the Temp is 27C; Humidity 88%. That's cool for this place.

the cause of obesity...eating too much

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Completely agree. Those of you who try to pin it on other things i.e. cars, must remember non obese people use these things too!

the cause of obesity...eating too much

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Yes.

the cause of obesity...eating too much

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Reminds me of a Viz top tip:
"Fatties - resist the temptation of reaching for that donut in the fridge but not buying it in the first place."

Obesity can be from any number of things

Sedentary lifestyle (including cars)
high calorie/fat diets
hypothyroid
poor metabolism

any combo of the above

this all coming from my med school biochem professor...who knows how true that is? eh, let's roll with it

That's a bit harsh - what if you live somewhere hot? During the winter I'll usually walk six to eight miles in one go, but during summer the walk to or from work (two miles each way) is exhausting.

If it's hot, just eat less, since your body doesnt need to produce as much heat.

It's a bit hot today (not that hot - it's England), but I walked for an hour anyway, and I'm gonna walk for an hour to get home too.

Obesity can be from any number of things

Sedentary lifestyle (including cars)
high calorie/fat diets
hypothyroid
poor metabolism

any combo of the above

this all coming from my med school biochem professor...who knows how true that is? eh, let's roll with it

i think i'll stick to my expalnation, thanks anyway

Is not Trans Fats...
Is not Oily foods...
It's not even Fast foods.

But Cars.

think about it. without cars, (relying on public transportation only)

1) you have to walk farther, thus get more exercise.

2) buy less fast foods (even if there is one around the corner, you still have to walk.)

3) you lift more weight. (going grocery shopping, you have to lug those things home. )

4) you can take a Taxi everywhere but that ends up being costly.

5) make food stretch. (unless you like going to the store to restock, you'll eat those leftovers.)

sure there is delivery, but then that also cost more (tipping the driver, and if you don't tip, then the service gets lousy.) but after I became a Pedestrian, I lost alot of weight. so I'm thinking of staying a pedestrian.

I'm sure that those who hate guns will agree with me - they believe that guns cause crime. So I believe that forks and spoons cause obesity.

Just think - if Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell had never had a fork and spoon...

Laziness and weak will cause both cars and obesity. Even when people do walk, they walk really slowly.