NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes, and you say "wtf, is she on drugs??" ... not currently

lets analyze an atom.

an atom is made up of protons neutrons and electrons like a bunch of +-0+0-0+0-++0+-0-+0+-0-0+0+-0+0-0+0-+0-0+-0+0-+0-+0-0+0--+0+--+0+-0+-0-+ only im sure its more organised. Now, correct me if im wrong, but all these are simply particles bouncing around in a cloud of probability. Which basically means that at any given moment the said particle can be in any number of places. Which raises the question: If the particle MAY OR MAY NOT be.. anywhere... does it exist?
Now, considering that the previous paragraph may be mostly wrong, I will now raise the question: What ARE these particles?
hyperdictionary.com give me this definition:
[n] a function word having different uses in different languages
[n] a body having finite mass and internal structure but negligible dimensions
[n] (nontechnical usage) a tiny piece of anything

Ignoring the first definition, i arrive at the conclusion that atoms are many tiny pieces of anything having finite mass and internal structure but negligible dimensions. Somehow these make up proteins and cells, which then somehow came together to create life, and "Intelligent" life at that (or as intelligent as a being that meaninglessly kills other life for excuses such as "sport" and "revenge" can be). So everything is made up of obscurely defined particles.

Which leaves me with one final question: WTF?

See my topic that I made a month back on the answer to: What the fuck/hell?

It was agreed that the answer was 42.


But yeah, pretty much everything you do/see/feel/hear/beat the living shit out of is just particles running around the place.

Atoms themselves are small, concentrated positive nuclei (made up of protons and neutrons) surrounded by an 'orbiting' cloud of electrons in various energy states. Atoms interact with each other to form molecules in varying structures and methods of interaction - that's the different types of bonding.

Some molecules are tiny e.g. water, only three atoms. Some are massive e.g. DNA, somewhere up in the millions or billions of atoms. Even this is not 'visible'. Cells are made up of millions of these molecules, where the combination of these millions of molecules forms a visible structure. The ways in which these molecules interact within the cell defines how they work. The ways in which cells and molecules interact with other creates effects such as intelligence.

Basically, if you compare atoms to cells and to life, the complexity and size increases by enormous amounts at each level e.g. atoms are relatively simple and small, cells are relatively large and complex, life is relatively massive and stupidly complex.

I would say the sub-atomic particles are 5-dimensional waveforms. The fifth dimension being probabilty, which is illustrated using the image of "clouds"

I would say the sub-atomic particles are 5-dimensional waveforms. The fifth dimension being probabilty, which is illustrated using the image of "clouds"
Bah, why stop with 5 dimensions. Over in them there rich areas, they have 11 dimensions. Oo ar.

Bah, why stop with 5 dimensions. Over in them there rich areas, they have 11 dimensions. Oo ar.

Yeah. Damn snobby, rich string theorists!

Yeah. Damn snobby, rich string theorists!
Lets go throw bricks at their big houses then run away. Yeah, that'll teach 'em. That'll teach 'em good...

*looks like a moron. Which is surprisingly easy*

string theorists
I tried to make particles from strings once. I tied them into little loops, then vibrated them. I thought I did everything string theory entailed...but there are no particles appearing!

I think I might have accidentally used twine instead of string. Maybe that's the problem...

I tried to make particles from strings once. I tied them into little loops, then vibrated them. I thought I did everything string theory entailed...but there are no particles appearing!

I think I might have accidentally used twine instead of string. Maybe that's the problem...
That isn't the problem.

It's a special kind of string, made from genetically engineered quantum string plants (Sillyus Stringus) and woven by vortex monkeys operating in a wormhole. True fact.

actually, i think when i was about 7 i tried to find the 4th dimension.. which ended up just being a repeat of depth.

that and in a wrinkle in time, according to einstien:
dimension #:
1= a line _______
2= square the line. |_| (whatever.) square.
3= square the square , cube
4= square the square (OMFG COMPLICATED) since you cant draw it, its time.
5= square time? tessaract. method of time travelling with a shortcut.

i couldnt even imagine what the 11th dimension would be.

[n] a body having finite mass and internal structure but negligible dimensions
This definition doesn't apply to atoms.
It is used to define "ideal" or simplified objets in physics and mathematics.

For example, a mathematical point (.) is a particle because it doesn't have a width or a height or any dimension. It is not measurable, but it is there (by definition) at position [X,Y] for example. A real object would occupy an area [X0,Y0]-[X1,Y1] but the mathematical point doesn't.

i couldnt even imagine what the 11th dimension would be.
You should open a bar called the 11th dimension. Then you would know what it was and where it was.

The model we have (quantum mechanics) only describes them, it doesn't really say what they are. We know mathematically, a priori (=without leaving our desk for experiments), that there is a limit to precision between two unrelated variables. This is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

It turns out that momentum (speed times mass) and location are unrelated. We can calculate the degree of not knowing how fast the particle is, if we know the area it may be in, and vice versa. So, we can state that if the electron is in the atom's nucleus, its speed is highly uncertain and may be large. It then flies out of the nucleus. Then we know it's somewhere in a large area around the nucleus, so we can calculate that its speed may only be in a narrow range.

The uncertainty principle is not a lament of shifting sands, but a gauge of the solidity of the ground.

Notice how we haven't mentioned what the particles are.

could this be why I nearly failed bio 1? and why after stupidly taking bio 2 having to drop the class because i was getting a D working my ass off, and neglecting my other classes?
bio/living organisms suck.

Notice how we haven't mentioned what the particles are.
How do you mean?

i couldnt even imagine what the 11th dimension would be.

Well, it would likely be of the algebraic form (a dimension in algebra is of course an independent variable):

x^2+ y^2+ z^2+ w^2 + v^2 + u^2 + t^2 + s^2 + r^2 + q^2 + p^2= f
(x,y,z,w,v,u,t,s,r,q,p,)


Geometrically, it would be a figure drawn on 11 axes, which is too complex to show here.

In physics, I have no idea what it would be